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Cyanogen Mod Goes Commercial To Make "Available On Everything, To Everyone"
The popular Cyanogen Mod distribution of the Android Open Source Project dropped a bombshell today: the founding members have formed a corporation (currently with a team of seventeen hackers) to work on the project with the founder of Boost Mobile as the CEO. Quoting the announcement: "You have probably seen the pace of development pick up drastically over the past few months. More devices supported, bigger projects such as CM Account, Privacy Guard, Voice+, a new version of Superuser, and secure messaging. We vastly improved our infrastructure. We’re doing more bug fixes, creating more features, and improving our communication. We think that the time has come for your mobile device to truly be yours again, and we want to bring that idea to everybody. ... So what does this all mean for the community? The first thing I wanted to do when I realized we were actually doing this, was tell everyone possible. But when starting a company, you have to think about the larger picture. This meant not announcing until the time was right, our house was in order and we would have something to show. I have seen open source projects come and go, some being bought out and closed, others stagnating and falling by the wayside. I don’t want to see this happen with CM."
cyanogenmod is OVER!
I have only one question: How will they make money? That pretty much determines if this is a good or a bad thing.
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At some point, hacker ideals can become very profitable. Cydia started as an alternative to the App Store and some estimates place revenues now as high as $10 million a year. More power to these guys!
Gotta be the dba...
Goes commercial = jumps the shark.
What does the dog do?
That is the first step toward commoditized (spelling) smart phones? I can't wait for the day when I install any OS of my choice to any smart phone. Apple fans will likely be excluded from the party but who cares :-) Its market share is shrinking and shrinking fast!
You and the 4 or the 5 ppl below you are morons.
Crusty also seems to be on the team.
W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
And that goes for cyanogen doubly !! Captain of my heart no more, no more !!
Stop this.
Girls code. Girls hack. This is not news, and contributes to an incorrect societal marginalization of people sans Y chromosome in jobs like this.
What's more, you imply a team like this would only have such a woman on their payroll as a sex object.
You would probably say, indignantly "it was just a joke, all in fun!" Joking in this way is not OK. It needs to be shut down and shunned by society, and I'm calling it out everywhere I see it.
I'm a member of the Y-chromosome club, and I condemn alen's message.
I hope they reap the benefits of all the hard work they've been putting into pushing phone technology forward.
What doesn't kill you only delays the inevitable
I think the dude behind her named danesh is her boyfriend.
I smell another rising Sun. Hopefully the black hole of Oracle isn't the life cycle's end for this one, too.
I have installed Cyanogenmod on a couple of devices that the phone maker stopped supporting long ago. I get all the new yummy android stuff without buying a new phone.
I can see this as a large selling point for companies who want to keep their devices up to date with security patches.
Seems like a legit move by Boost to try and reach a niche market. I wonder what Google's stance on this might be
True. I don't usually subscribe to the "women are persecuted/abused/marginalized in IT" meme but this kind of crap gives me pause.
You're absolutely right, get an account though so people can see your posts.
True. I don't usually subscribe to the "women are persecuted/abused/marginalized in IT" meme but this kind of crap gives me pause.
... and it sure is certain that none of the guys are great pickings (though I may be too het to know).
Let me also point out that Cyanogenmod has now built in the ability to upgrade/update by a few simple clicks on your phone's interface. It really rocks.
COBOL was designed by a woman. Spanning-tree protocol was invented by a woman. This thread is why I use a guy's name to play WoW and Halo.
I would swear I read somewhere that the CM team gets financial support from Samsung. Are they just trying to buy their independence from a big corporate sponsor?
AOKP[1] is based on the CM tree. I wonder if they will still have access to the code. I'm really not in the mood for more corporate interest BS on my device.
[1] http://www.androidbeat.com/2013/05/cyanogenmod-vs-aokp/
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It's amazing to me how people in this industry (such as yourself) treat tech like some kind of religion.
Don't use it if you don't like it.
It's just a tool, get over it and get that chip off your shoulder.
Does this not make CM more vulnerable to government assistance with security?
Does this mean that girls cannot be sex objects?
Kid-proof tablet..
I thought that was Larry Fine dyeing his hair blue.
There is a very easy way they can make money. Via their auto update stream.
CM now supports auto update. It is a killer feature, but one they could easily charge for. IE you want to update to the latest CM over the air? Pay $10. Else, download it yourself and flash it yourself.
Another way, they could change you to download their pre-built binary images. Maybe only the images for the Nexus are free, and ones for other phones are $5 a download.
Hey, people getting paid to do good work, how's it that a bad thing? The GPL and getting paid for good work can co-exist. It probably needs to.
COBOL was designed by a woman.
Not exactly helping your case there.
No doubt I would by buy it if they could get the latest version of Android running on my Atrix. Saves me from buying another phone.
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Man here. This is absolutely unacceptable. Women code too. Women are smart too. In fact, women are human beings, just like everybody else.
I would mod this "troll' if I could.
I don't see 'not start charging' in their list.
Should we expect to have to pay for this soon? If so, they better be producing something that is rock solid and offer actual support.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Stop this.
Girls code. Girls hack. This is not news, and contributes to an incorrect societal marginalization of people sans Y chromosome in jobs like this.
What's more, you imply a team like this would only have such a woman on their payroll as a sex object.
You would probably say, indignantly "it was just a joke, all in fun!" Joking in this way is not OK. It needs to be shut down and shunned by society, and I'm calling it out everywhere I see it.
I'm a member of the Y-chromosome club, and I condemn alen's message.
This cannot be repeated enough.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"
- Charles Darwin
fork the repo's
its probably too late any way
i wonder if this had anything to do with jbq jumping over to yahoo
yahoo is on a buying streak lately
Of course not, now that gay marriage is legalized, you can't even think about people of the opposite sex. Don't you watch Fox News?
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well that escalated quickly.
Does this mean that girls cannot be sex objects?
It means that girls get to choose. (Unless you're a feminazi, then it means that girls get to choose but guys are forbidden from appreciating their choice one way or the other).
Scruffy is compiling the new kernels.
Since the majority of supported phones didn't have their support implemented by the cyanogen mod team (They only built support for the most popular phones) how on earth can they claim the project is theirs to go public with? There were literally thousands of people that rebuilt packages and redesigned interfaces so they could get it onto other phones. I even created a release for my phone a few years ago because Cyanogen didn't support it. This seems shady to me. They were already making significant money from their apps, as was made clear when one of their team went rouge last year, why now? I guess we'll have to wait and see, but I don't think this is a good turn of events at all.
Joking in this way is not OK.
There is no such thing as a joke that is not OK. People like you get offended, but that's because you don't understand the power of a joke. You're not going to change the mind of actual misogynists by telling them you're offended about their beliefs. But when society makes fun of their beliefs by making a joke like that, and everyone laughs instead of seriously agreeing, that means we're moving past it. We're showing those people their arguments have been shot down so many times they're not even worth it debating anymore. We can just voice what they're parroting and everyone understand it to be a joke, because that's the only thing that opinion makes sense as.
When you take it seriously and get offended, you actually legitimize their position. Stop it.
Yeah! Let's also flog them in Times Square and have them thrown in jail too!
Or instead of being a bootlicking authoritarian who can't handle free speech, you simply dispute them with facts rather than trying to shut them out. Censorship doesn't change minds. It simply means those thoughts remain but are simply hidden away behind feigned politeness.
They also have a dog.... What's your point?
COBOL was designed by a woman.
Not exactly helping your case there.
Women can hate humanity just as well as men can.
COBOL.
You left yourself wide open there.
Girls code. Girls hack.
Yes, but does THIS girl do any of that?
Oh wait, I just saw the pic and realized she's Asian, so she probably did actually earn her place.
The cow says "Moo." The dog says "Woof." The Timothy says "Thanks, valued customer. We appreciate your input."
Two words: Planned obsolescence
Don't you think companies that make money by selling devices would prefer customers buy new shiny ones?
Who cares? I mean, they have a dog and a circus clown too, and nobody thought to ask questions about how they contribute...
Log in or piss off.
Commenters on Slashdot should not be able to hide behind "Anonymous Coward" to post comments like this. This kind of comment should be a bannable offense.
It's a stupid comment posted by an idiot, but what you advocate, simply because the AC's statement offended you, is much, much worse.
If you don't like it, browse comments at > +2, leave here and go to a forum that censors, or better yet, put on your big boy/girl pants and ignore it instead of trying to control everyone else's experience on /. just because you are offended.
And android fanboy getting all aggressive and shitty about iphone online? That's unique.
Indeed. I am a guy and Limor Freid is one of my heroes. And she is cute :P
Silence is a state of mime.
Only because it's obvious: the dog does PR and the clown is Management.
Girls code. Girls hack.
Yes, but does THIS girl do any of that?
Oh wait, I just saw the pic and realized she's Asian, so she probably did actually earn her place.
*Brilliant*. You have replaced sexism with racism. Well fucking done.
> There is no such thing as a joke that is not OK.
The punchline needs to bring attention to the problem and not further victimize the subject. This "joke" had no point, and was simply mocking women. That makes it not OK. Sexist jokes are ok when we are laughing at the asshole, not the victim. This "joke" suggested all a women can do is stand in a booth. If the joke were rephrased to show the idiocy of males in technology, then it'd be different. But that takes thought and actual wit, of which the original joker had none.
So you're saying she didn't earn her place? Fucking racist!
The cow says "Moo." The dog says "Woof." The Timothy says "Thanks, valued customer. We appreciate your input."
I think idiots like you need to be shut down and shunned by society.
Oh no. I'm a delicate flower and I can't accept it when people joke about serious issues.
Hey, grow a pair...and enjoy the joke.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
Hmm...I think you just disproved that.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
crybaby.
with the founder of Boost Mobile as the CEO
WHERE YOU AT, DOG? The whole city's behind you!
I'm sure I'll get modded to oblivion for speaking out against the current PC fad, but I think it's important to fight this sort of overreaction when it crops up.
"This... contributes to an incorrect societal marginalization of women."
How?
"You imply a team like this would only have a woman on their payroll as a sex object."
Yes, God forbid he makes a joke about how seeing a woman in such a position is a rare sight.
"Joking in this way is not OK. It needs to be shut down and shunned by society."
Why, exactly? You make this claim with no justification whatsoever. To me, it just seems like you're taking political correctness too far (and furthermore, bullying him for it). Yes, it was a dumb joke (and should be called out as such), but it was just a joke. I hardly think it's so bad that we need to collectively shun what he said. He's not making any suggestion about how things should be, he's making a joke in poor taste. The defining feature of what he said was that it wasn't meant seriously, and attacking something made in jest as though it wasn't makes you look like someone with a stick up their ass and will deafen people to you (and, moreover, other people who make similar arguments to you) when you point out something actively malicious, like someone seriously suggesting that women shouldn't be in such a role.
I've seen this all happen first-hand on places where I regularly post; the overreaction by society at large to anything perceived as remotely sexist is pushing certain niche communities further and further away from a moderately egalitarian position, and what used to be a group of people who mostly either didn't care and just wanted to pursue their hobby or who generally supported the principles of egalitarianism are now becoming hostile to the entire feminist movement (both the moderate and the extremist parts of it, nobody makes a distinction so they get grouped together) and, by extension, many of the tenets of egalitarianism. If you want to bring these people back over (which I assume is what you and folks like you want; it could well be that you really are just on an ego trip, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt) and convince them that there ARE real problems, then you need to bring them to the table and discuss the real problems with them and not immediately label them as evil, sexist Nazis the moment they disagree with something you say. I know for a fact that some of the concerns folks in these communities have are legitimate and that not everything the PC/feminist movement says should be treated as gospel because there are places where your side is overreaching and there are issues you're ignoring on the flip side. Moreover, you need to stop jumping all over every faux pas they commit (like you just did). You're setting yourself up to be the bad guy to them, and there's nothing that convinces people of their rightness more than a big, evil oppressor trying to kill their culture.
When does Cyanogen Money 11 come out?
Just want to make sure I have this right. You want to use peer pressure, stereotyping, and oppression to fight peer pressure, stereotyping, and oppression...?
And people wonder why it still happens...
Wow, look who takes themselves too seriously. Honestly, the ones that take the greatest offense are the ones that are the most insecure and put their entire lives into proving a point. Joking this way IS ok, because it's a joke. Like your coding skills and your self-righteous indignation.
"If the joke were rephrased to show the idiocy of males in technology, then it'd be different." Oh you mean like all the jokes about men being unable to take care of babies, or children? Jokes about men being "nerds" and "dorks"? About being "commitment-phobes"? Jokes about men not "manning up"? Jokes about men being socially or fashionably inept? Jokes about men buying fast cars because of their small penises? Jokes about men being domestic buffoons in the family? Or how about all the feminist jokes about "all men" being rapists or abusers or oppressors? It seems to me that men have been taking jokes for a long long time. Equally, it seems to me that it is YOU who cannot take a joke which must make it really hard for you to live with yourself.
Everybody knows there are no girls on the internet.
Joking in this way is not OK.
There is no such thing as a joke that is not OK.
LateArthurDent (1403947) rapes children
LateArthurDent placed explosives on a plane
LateArthurDent set a kitten on fire
LateArthurDent rapes more children
LateArthurDent has orgies in the horse pen, with the horses
LateArthurDent has no genitals
LateArthurDent steals from family, friends, and jobs
LateArthurDent is now linked in Google to all the above terms, and is now on multiple NSA lists.
Have fun getting groped at the airport, followed by being raped in prison LateArthurDent!
(ps, just kidding!)
It's a little surpising she manged to do all that, given how small she is.
Heightism.
One point I haven't seen covered: Will it remain open source and free-as-in-speech, or are they making it proprietary?
This is the internet, and as the old adage goes, it is where Men are MEN, Women are MEN, and Children are the FBI.
To answer some of my own question, this is their response in their Reddit AMA:
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We are in the process of setting up a nonprofit to foster the open source side.
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There are no plans to close the source for things such as device support and work done in the community. We do need to build value for the company, and there are various things we are working on that require significant time and capital to develop- these may be proprietary but we won't pervert/close the core OS for this to happen.
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Our strength is that we have a strong open source community behind us.
The core of the project (hardware support, community contributions, etc) will always remain open source. But obviously, as a company that has financial needs, employees to pay, Cooper treats to buy, and Cyanogen-babies to feed, we will need to make careful decisions about what we open source, and what may become proprietary.
Oooh oooh ooh, when is it my day to decide what should and shouldn't be allowed? Am I on the schedule yet? How do I get on the schedule?
I have found there are just two ways to go.
It all comes down to livin' fast or dyin' slow. -REK, Jr.
I also have a Y-chromosome, but unlike you, I'm also a man with a dick and balls, and your hatred for men expressing themselves and their gender identity disgusts me, and no, it doesn't need to be shut down and shunned by society, your hatred of free expression, if anything is what should be shunned.
With all the discrimination men face today for having a penis, we should at least TRY to hang on to our right to express ourselves, rather than becoming some pussy whipped manpologist like yourself.
Get back on your pole and dance, girl. We don't pay you to post on Salshdot!
And when you're done with that, Steve's waitin' in back. Now git!
No need to hide. You Sir, are far more despicable than the person to whom you responded.
I'm the AC who originally posted.
Have you ever heard the statement "If you repeat it often enough, it becomes true?" That actually happens. Particularly when jokes like this are accepted or waived aside as "just the norm, no biggie" you get a culture where people - even if they know better - contribute to building this false picture.
I would have no problem if the original comment was along the lines of "I saw her at the CM booth at a trade show last Spring; I remember this because I was pleasantly surprised to see a female at a booth actually engaging people instead of just standing there as a booth babe." THIS statement comments on the current societal state, but provides accolades for the CM team for moving forward in a positive direction. Instead, he makes a joke in poor taste about her attractiveness and how girls on the payroll are usually just booth babes.
It is not OK to joke in this way. Or to make statements to this effect. This isn't an overreaction; you are just unused to seeing ANY reaction! This stuff happens all the time, and you and others say nothing. It's implicit acceptance and approval of a culture that marginalizes women. The only correct response is "that isn't right, here's why, stop." There is literally no way to engage without being contrarian.
Regarding the "bad guy" effect. There's a reason I wrote these posts AC. What you describe is what happens any time anyone makes the slightest effort saying this stuff isn't OK. Instantly lots of people who are just as bad - you may be well meaning and not one of them, but there are a many who are not - immediately support the initial offender with loads of hate and vitriol directed at them. Sometimes they go so far as to attempt to unmask your online identity, steal your identity, or send a SWAT team at your house. One of these responses is an overreaction, but I don't think it's the one you are asserting.
Lastly, I don't even identify as a feminist. I respect ANYONE, regardless of race/ethnicity/gender or other factors, based on their words and actions. I just as soon come to any other group's defense. But I stand by my original comment 100%, and am confident that the fullness of time will prove me right.
Can you say the same?
I bought a bunch of HP Touchpads during the firesale. It was a great tablet, just no OS support after HP dumped them and the WebOS developers. Cyanogenmod, while not supporting all of the hardware (i.e. video camera), enabled Android and access to all of the apps, games, etc. to an abandoned platform. I gave a number of Touchpads away as Christmas gifts that year.
I've since moved on to the Asus Transformer Pad Infinity. ASUS provides a utility to unlock their devices. I am running CROMI-X (a slightly modified version of the Asus stock Android) so I haven't had need of Cyanogenmod since switching.
Gotta have links tying the name to the keywords, imbecile.
By your (stupid) logic, anyone in this article now has whatever alias they've used tied to these words, dumbass.
You're dumber than dirt, moron. I'd give you a clue, but you wouldn't know what to do with it.
laughing my ass off...
Literally...it fell off... ..I think I need to see a doctor....
Help?
Indeed they do. Having said that, they occur at a distinctly lower rate than men. One reasonable explanation I've seen is being slightly autistic spectrum aids programming, and men tend to be a bit closer to the autistic end.
Joking in this way is not OK.
There is no such thing as a joke that is not OK.
LateArthurDent (1403947) rapes children
LateArthurDent placed explosives on a plane
LateArthurDent set a kitten on fire
LateArthurDent rapes more children
LateArthurDent has orgies in the horse pen, with the horses
LateArthurDent has no genitals
LateArthurDent steals from family, friends, and jobs
LateArthurDent is now linked in Google to all the above terms, and is now on multiple NSA lists.
Have fun getting groped at the airport, followed by being raped in prison LateArthurDent!
Anonymous Coward is a libeler! I'm taking you to court.
(ps, just kidding!)
Damn. That's like one of those weasel ways of getting away with libel, like adding, "in my opinion" to a sentence, isn't it. All right, you win this round.
Atheist, vegetarian liberal here. I've been married to my wife for 10 years, we've been married most of the time we've known each other, got married at lunch one day. I think you may have a misguided view here. Most of the states with the highest divorce rates are the "conservative" states. I think maybe the way you talk to women has something to do with the trouble you have seeming to hold a partner. It's okay though, here you're always welcome.
Posting this from CM device I'm not sure how I feel about this. What they do is awesome and I would want them to succeed, however it seems it was so good it's destined to become corporate bloat ware. On my cell I run slim rom and it is great.
9/10. Good rant and you hit all the "talking points" nicely. Well done.
"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"
- Charles Darwin
I think it makes me feel slimy.
I'm sure I'll get modded to oblivion for speaking out against the current PC fad
Really? Here on slashdot, the bastion of conservative tech news, you'll be downvoted? Psshh.
Agreed, our senior programmer analyst is the most amazing mainframe/payroll/billing coder I have ever seen. She is great.
What do you think is handling your money at the bank? I'll enlighten you: its COBOL running on a mainframe.
So, to summarise... not really?
The parts that will allow contributors to port to new devices will (presumably because (a) parts of that are GPL anyway, and (b) because there is a benefit to CM to having contributors doing the work of porting to new devices).
Work done by contributors will remain open source (but derivatives of that, who knows)
Apart from that: stuff will be made closed source as required to get teh monies.
That isn't to say money is the primary motivation, just that from the posts on Reddit it is clear that it will dictate what will be open source and what will be proprietary: "as a company that has financial needs ... we will need to make careful decisions about what we open source, and what may become proprietary."
Also, I'm not saying what they are doing is wrong - they need to eat after all. However, I do find it disappointing.
With this move, they are now beholden to shareholders (i.e. the Venture Capitalists) and profit is the #1 priority, despite the flowery, rainbow-colored unicorn fantasy they are promoting.
I'd bet dollars to donuts that CM is going to become payware and possibly even supported by ads integrated directly into the O/S, with underlying information snooping software that gives them your private info so they can sell it to marketing firms.
So, no, I don't like it one bit.
Protip: replying with adhominem attacks doesn't do much for your position. In fact it re-verifies to me that the whole feminist house of cards is driven by instinct driven emotion instead of fact and reason...from both genders.
It takes two to tango. Every step of the way, from first meet to old age... or 10th year anniversary divorce court date. As long as the neocon white knights and liberal manginas are still willing to 'man up' by continuing to shield women from reality, they will never be equal in mens' eyes...yes even guys like you who still think women need special legal protections at mens' expense. Guys like you are a big part of what holds back true equity. You're just too wrapped up in your own pride to see it.
You close with another fallacy. I never said women aren't people or that they don't deserve rights. I made what is called a general statement, which implies exceptions. Your wife may or may not be one, but knowing nothing else, I know which side to bet on as a sane default. It's guys like you that elevate them to deity status and then shun any who dare question it, calling them losers. Questioning feminism is not misogyny, no matter what the European Union says. You're welcome to play the lottery... You might even win, but the jury's still out, and until the laws are changed to something more equitable, will be out until the day you divorce, or one of you drops dead. Good luck.
how do you get banned? I thought you just got modded way down. there's another level to that?
Not that statements being 'talking points' is relevant. Whether they are true or not is relevant.
I didn't mention anything about divorce rates by state. I only said that more than 90% of them are filed by women. It's not the men who are unwilling to commit these days. It also wouldn't shock me if your factoid was true. Traditional men have expectations that modern liberal men don't.. like expecting loyalty, respect, and regular sex from their wives in return for a steady, secure lifestyle. Many women, today would find it reprehensible and 'oppressive' if their husband made any demands on them whatsover. If she isn't holding all the trump cards, it's 'patriarchy.'
Fallacy. I never said I have trouble talking to women, nor do I. If the only responses you can muster are ad hominems, perhaps it is you who is deluding himself. Many of the liberal men I've known were pantywaists around women, some to the point where they'd behave like someone else when one entered the immediate area. It was truly a sight to behold; humorous. A few would even get irate at me or some of the other guys who didn't also alter their behavior accordingly. Guess who the women went home with at the end of the night. Hint: it wasn't the pantywaists.
Since you love to speculate about me, I will do some speculation of my own about you. I'll bet you were a guy she 'settled' on in a baby rabies or omg-im-not-married-yet fit after getting thrown off the alpha cock carousel in her late 20s. So the pussy that was pounded by a few dozen guys at parties, is something you have to work your butt off to get access too now. Congratulations sir. What a catch. When she inevitably grows tired of you ("I shouldn't have to settle!"), she will wait until alimony kicks in, and bail, cleaning you out. Woe unto you if children are present, yours or not, the state doesn't care. There will be tears and accusations, and you'll be in a world of hurt, not understanding why this is happening to you. Then you might remember reading this and realize someone tried to warn you. ...or maybe she's just a red haired (youtube U of toronto feminist) fat ugly duckling feminist troll who loves kicking her men in the balls, and you, being that modern liberal 'progressive' man, happen to like that. Good luck to you. Statistically, it is likely you'll need it.
See? I can speculate and hurl ad hominems too. It proves jack shit. In contrast, the proof for what I'm talking about is quite easy to find. It just requires a modicum of spine and balls to challenge your politically correct assumptions.
Women can hate humanity just as well as men can.
I see you've met the ex?
It gripped her hand gently. 'Regret is for humans,' it said.
Act in the belief that you're the center of the universe, that your innate superiority gives you license to do or say anything you like with no regard to the consequences, and that anybody who tries to call you out on it is a "faggot" and a "hater".
I suspect that stalking Timothy while wearing nothing but a raincoat and carrying a big tube of squeeze-cheese also helps, but I'm waiting for more data on this one. I promise not to cum on your crackers, Timothy! I promise!
-- Ethanol-fueled
Does it have a little crush? How sweet.
Girls code, like shit. Every single woman we've had on a development team has needed hand holding throughout the entire process.
This ladies and gentlemen is the misandrist version of 'slut shaming'. When you want to 'slut shame' a woman, you talk about how she will bang anyone. When you want to 'slut shame' a man, you talk about how he can't get any. It the other side of the same coin.
It was a joke, get over yourself and grow a pair. You are nobody to dictate what needs to be shut down by society, arrogant prick.
She has a freaking PhD, dumbass
https://sites.google.com/site/fanzhangshomepage/
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/fan-zhang/20/56b/b4a
Women are human beings. And, just like all other human beings, if given the option of leeching off of someone else instead of improving themselves, a very large portion of them will choose to do so. Our society is currently in a state where women can leech off of others. Frequently, they can leech and still have as good or better (alimony) of a life than if they actually worked hard themselves.
The fact that there are fewer women in STEM is not because women are inferior, and it is not because men force them out. It is because STEM fields take effort. Women are humans, and most humans are lazy. If more men could take a career path of banging a chick while she supported him for a few years, and then divorce her with an alimony/child support check that would mean he never had to work another day of his life, there would be fewer men in STEM fields too.
Personally I think it's because the mixture of sleaze and puritanism in the USA has fucked up so many people in the head. Men expect a pure example of one of the three of Virgin/Mother/Whore instead of a real girl and who knows what the American women expect because many are conditioned to play roles instead of being real girls. I could go on but you may want to look at other Western nations without so high a divorce rate to get an idea of where things are going wrong - the quick answer is less of an expectation of perfection (your "men are appliances that must fit her 'lifestyle.'" is part of a problem more widespread in the US than some other places but how common is it really?).
In my workplace I could probably find a dozen. I suggest you talk to more people. I've met crazy girls too, but I've also even met lesbian feminists that don't come close to the universal crazy girl you are pretending is widespread. I suppose I'd better point out that I'm a straight male before people assume I'm having no problems communicating with women due to being one.
Hollywood is poison with a lot of that stuff (eg. the "True Lies" movie about the stalker becoming the white knight) but reality doesn't quite match Hollywood, even if Hollywood is a major source of fucking with people's heads. It's producing a sick society. Going apeshit over an exposed nipple at the superbowl then fining the woman and not the man who pulled her top off was wierd - apart from the penalty it's the sort of stuff the Taliban would do.
Is it racism or a comment on problems with the US education system where the girls that succeed are the ones that are driven by cultural background and put in extra work on top of their schoolwork?
When I was young, I and my sisters were driven hard to do well at school because my parents are teachers - I'd call that cultural in a way. Similarly asian parents (from what I've seen with friends and neighbours) typically drive their children to work hard at school because that's how things were done when they were young and they've seen that it worked.
IMHO pointing out a cultural cause of a work ethic is not racism. Watching from afar it looks like asian students do well in the US due to their parents caring more about them doing well than the other parents.
Try finding a reasonably attractive, fertile western woman with a pleasant disposition and life skillset, who doesn't have a giant feminist chip on her shoulder waiting to lash out post wedding day.
From what I've heard talking to American friends, this seems to be much more common in the US than in Europe. It also seems to be more common in California than in, say, Minnesota. (My guess: you're from round about SoCal somewhere?) So I would suggest moving to a more sane country/state if this is bothering you that much ;)
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Hey, give GP some love - we ACs can really be dicks at times.
But, GP: parent is right. I'm an AC and I usually browse at +3 as well. I'm sure that means I'm missing out on some interesting, funny or insightful comments (whenever I comment myself, I do aim there), but that's okay as I also miss out on a truckload of internet dumb.
you can get mod-bombed and effectively banned. I once was, too. sometimes the mob behavior kicks in and people pile on some poor guy. my years of karma was trashed due to the group-think behavior gone nuclear.
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"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
It ain't mainstream until the NSA asks / forces you to build in a backdoor.
"If you repeat it often enough, it becomes true?"
I've never seen that phrase in action. I've heard a lot of jokes about the state of society, I've never seen people taking them seriously. People are smarter than you give them credit for and most of us are well aware of what is and is not said in seriousness. And on the rare case where someone misinterprets, that's usually pretty easily cleared up. If people started saying such things in seriousness, then that would be the point at which we should start fighting it and you would hear no complaint from me. What you're making is essentially a slippery slope argument.
"I would have no problem if the original comment was along the lines of 'I saw her at the CM booth at a trade show last Spring; I remember this because I was pleasantly surprised to see a female at a booth actually engaging people instead of just standing there as a booth babe.'"
He was going for a joke, this was never going to happen. Maybe something like "I think everyone's missing the point; they have an endangered species on their crew" or something would have been in better taste, yeah. Regardless, I don't think what he said had any negative affect on anyone (other than the reader for reading a dumb and cheap joke).
"This isn't an overreaction; you are just unused to seeing ANY reaction! This stuff happens all the time, and you and others say nothing. It's implicit acceptance and approval of a culture that marginalizes women."
I disagree completely, for several reasons. First, I don't think something said as a joke marginalizes anyone. Second, my refusal to condemn him for it does not mean I accept and approve of the marginalization of women (quite the contrary; I believe a person is not defined by their physical features, but their strength of character, and no other metric should be used to judge people). It means I don't feel that what he said necessitates a harsh response (it wasn't meant to be serious and it is, in my opinion, harmless).
As for what you said at the end, I think you missed my point. I was making a larger point about the attitude of... well, whatever you want to call it, the PC movement, progressives, whatever, that movement in general toward people who disagree. And that is, if you want to influence people who disagree with you, jumping all over their every mistake probably isn't going to do it. If they do something you disagree with but it doesn't seem malicious, engage them in discussion, don't cast a label on them and hold them up as an example of all that is wrong with society. With this particular issue, you're probably not going to win (most people aren't going to be convinced that saying something clearly in jest is going to lead to an actual problem or that, even if it might, it's something that should be fought at this stage and not the later, actually problematic stage). But at the very least, you're not going to give them a reason to dislike you and that's going to make them much more likely to concede on other issues (or, at the very least, not polarize them into the abyss).
it happens to me occasionally. i used to just iterate my account but now I tough it out a bit. I went from awful to excellent so I'm back on top.
Do you have some kind of prehensile dick to be posting messages like that?
Maybe they should just take it like a man.
CM doesn't support my phone, and from the likes of it, it seems I will never be able to try it now without changing phones...if it's even free when I do get one.
Let's see how long it takes for the first "We are a company and we need to make it profitable" piece of news where they axe or modify a major component or news about spying, adware or NSA backdoors.
Two wrongs don't make a right:)