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Ballmer Admits Microsoft Whiffed Big-Time On Smartphones

Nerval's Lobster writes "During an executive Q&A at Microsoft's Financial Analyst Meeting on Sept. 19 (video), outgoing CEO Steve Ballmer admitted that Windows Phone had a minuscule share of the smartphone market, and expressed regret over his company's inability to capitalize on burgeoning interest in mobile devices. 'I regret that there was a period in the early 2000s when we were so focused on what we had to do around Windows that we weren't able to redeploy talent to the new device called the phone,' Ballmer told the audience of Wall Street analysts and investors. 'That is the thing I regret the most.' Back in 2007, Ballmer famously denigrated the first-generation iPhone as an expensive toy that would fail to gain significant market share. He was forced to eat his words after the iPhone became a bestseller and ignited a huge market for touch-screen smartphones. Google subsequently plunged into that smartphone arena with Android, which was soon adopted by a variety of hardware manufacturers. While the iPhone (running iOS) and Android carved up the new market between them, Microsoft tried to come up with its own mobile strategy. The result was Windows Phone, which (despite considerable investment on Microsoft's part) continues to lag well behind Android and iOS in the smartphone wars. Even as he focused on discussing Microsoft's financials, Ballmer also couldn't resist taking some swipes at Google, suggesting that the search-engine giant's practices are 'worthy of discussion with competition authority.' Given Microsoft's own rocky history with federal regulators, that's sort of like the pot calling the kettle black; but Ballmer's statement also hints at how, in this new tech environment, Microsoft is very much the underdog when it comes to some of the most popular and lucrative product segments."

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  1. Let's be clear by djupedal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    MS whiffed when they put balless in charge of anything. He can stop blaming others...

    1. Re:Let's be clear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Ballmer is a sales guy. Sales guys look good on paper because they're bringing in the revenue. But they're a disaster in a leadership role. Sales is always based on short-term goals. That's the nature of the job. So sales guys do whatever they have to do to meet their quota or monthly targets or get their commission. It's not in the best interest of the costumer, it's not in the best interest of the company, it's in the best interest of themselves.

      I've worked and consulted for plenty of companies where a sales guy get promoted to the top. It never works out well.

    2. Re:Let's be clear by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I disagree that was the problem. The problem was that he made the same mistake that most of us geeks on here make - projection. He thought that people wanted smart phones to be little computers. Most of the commenters on here want the same thing - a little unix box that they can ssh with and such. He led MS down a path of making little pocket computers, complete with Start menus and everything. And you know what? They were more successful than just about any other smart phone. Things looked good... good enough to dismiss the iPhone as a toy when it came out.

      And he was right, it was a toy. But apparently the toy market is a lot bigger than the pocket computer market. It turns out that people wanted a pocket toy, and not a pocket computer. That the toy happens to use a computer to make it so much fun is a technical issue.

      Where Balmer gets blame is how badly MS executed on their toy once it became clear that the market liked the iPhone. Google figured it out IMMEDIATELY, so it's not as if it was too much to expect. Sure, initial Android sets kind of sucked, but they were toys and they were cheap - so people could overlook a lot. And since then, it has gotten quite slick. Microsoft, meanwhile, assumed that kids were the driver and brought out that ridiculous Kin based on CE. Then they tried coming out with a refreshed CE in 6.5, which fooled no one. Finally, after losing out the low-end to Android and the high-end to Apple, they come out with a proper Windows Phone. Even then, while it certainly has it's merits, it is essentially another iPhone/Android and really brings nothing to the table that would make people choose it over the competition. And on top of this, it was still trying to pursue the "charge for software" model, when the chief competition is free!

      Now they finally made the right move in buying a hardware vendor. If they go toe-to-toe with Samsung, I'm not sure they will ever recoup their investment. After all, Samsung is vertically integrated and is a monster in their capacity to turn a small profit on low-end phones. They are going to have to chase Apple (and Samsung) at the high end. I wish them luck!

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    3. Re:Let's be clear by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      MS whiffed when they put balless in charge of anything. He can stop blaming others...

      A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.
      - John Burroughs

      Steve's been a failure and has just capped his career. Notice his use of the royal we, deflecting direct blame to the company, not its leader:

      I regret that there was a period in the early 2000s when we were so focused on what we had to do around Windows that we weren't able to redeploy talent to the new device called the phone,' Ballmer told the audience of Wall Street analysts and investors. 'That is the thing I regret the most.'

      Should be...

      I regret that there was a period in the early 2000s when I was so focused on what I had to do around Windows that I wasn't able to redeploy talent to the new device called the phone,' Ballmer told the audience of Wall Street analysts and investors. 'That is the thing I regret the most.'

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    4. Re:Let's be clear by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Interesting points, but I can't say I agree. Microsoft was not looking to make a Phone a PC, they were looking to dominate the market and abuse their monopoly to shut down competition. That is half of what the Nokia fiasco was and is. MS does not want to be good at tech, they want to "rule" tech with an iron fist. It's that mentality across the board that has lead to disaster after disaster.

      I agree with what you stated, just not that it was the primary issue with Ballmouth and MS.

      Posting AC for modding purposes. s.petry

    5. Re:Let's be clear by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But that isn't why it is popular.

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    6. Re:Let's be clear by nine-times · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Finally, after losing out the low-end to Android and the high-end to Apple, they come out with a proper Windows Phone. Even then, while it certainly has it's merits, it is essentially another iPhone/Android and really brings nothing to the table that would make people choose it over the competition.

      And I think this is a big issue that people overlook: People have a tendency to think in dichotomies, rightly or wrongly, especially regarding issues in which they lack deep knowledge. As a result, markets tend to be perceived in people's minds as a choice between the default/incumbent and the alternative/newcomer. This is in fact part of what has kept Windows in such a dominant position for so long. People are only willing to consider the two options that they were most aware of: commodity Windows machines or Macintoshes.

      The tables are flipped on Microsoft in the mobile market. For all the same reasons Linux has trouble breaking into the desktop, Microsoft is having trouble breaking into phones. People are increasingly seeing their phone purchase as a choice between iPhone and Android, seeing one as the default and the other as the alternative, and people generally aren't looking for a second alternative. If Microsoft wants to succeed, it's not enough to be "as good". They have to be significantly better in ways that people care about, and they need to maintain the advantage few a few years, without allowing Apple and Google to catch up, so that there's time for people's contracts to expire. Good luck with that.

    7. Re:Let's be clear by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      For all the same reasons Linux has trouble breaking into the desktop, Microsoft is having trouble breaking into phones. People are increasingly seeing their phone purchase as a choice between iPhone and Android, seeing one as the default and the other as the alternative, and people generally aren't looking for a second alternative.

      With the desktop, you really did have two choices: buy a Windows PC or a Mac.

      If Microsoft wants to succeed, it's not enough to be "as good". They have to be significantly better in ways that people care about

      Exactly. And not only that, people have to be aware that it exists and exactly HOW it's vastly superior, and so far afaik Windows Phone brings nothing but Microsoft's reputation for bugginess to the table. If it's superior to the other two in any way, their advertising sure doesn't show it.

      Ever see a commercial for Linux on TV? Nobody's even heard of it and have no idea their Android phone runs it, let alone knows that it has more features and better ease of use. Every non-nerd I know talks about "that damned computer" when the computer's not the problem, the OS is.

    8. Re:Let's be clear by MightyYar · · Score: 2

      No, I think it is fun and that is why people want it. Flip phones were good at calls and texting and (some) took good pictures. Blackberries did email. But what really blew open the smartphone market was the ability to pull in entertainment: usable web browsing, watching YouTube, and decent games. The people who needed pocket tools already had them. The fact that the iPhone can ALSO make a good tool is simply a result of the underlying tech that makes the toy possible. It's probably not fair to call the productivity stuff an afterthought, but productivity phones were already common when the iPhone was launched.

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    9. Re:Let's be clear by gallondr00nk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People have a tendency to think in dichotomies, rightly or wrongly

      Ahh, I see what you did there.

    10. Re:Let's be clear by mwehle · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I regret that there was a period in the early 2000s when we were so focused on what we had to do around Windows that we weren't able to redeploy talent to the new device called the phone,' Ballmer told the audience of Wall Street analysts and investors. 'That is the thing I regret the most.'

      Should be...

      I regret that there was a period in the early 2000s when I was so focused on what I had to do around Windows that I wasn't able to redeploy talent to the new device called the phone,' Ballmer told the audience of Wall Street analysts and investors. 'That is the thing I regret the most.'

      Absolutely. Years ago I was working for Microsoft at the Mountain View campus when Ballmer interrupted his address to a cafeteria full of employees to chastise a guy who had an iPhone, belligerently telling the crowd that we should all practice brand loyalty the way his family did. At the time I was still holding out hope for Windows Mobile, and had a Blackjack in my pocket, but I remember thinking Ballmer was a royal asshole, without a shred of humility and unable to have the common sense to recognize an engineer's choice of superior technology. At the time there were a number of MS employees in the audience with iPhones in their pockets. Ballmer could have made points by admitting the worth of the competition, and trying to rally opposition. Instead he just looked like a chair-throwing lunkhead.

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    11. Re:Let's be clear by spire3661 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The web browser on the iphone was like nothing we had seen before. It actually worked for the vast majority of the web. THAT more then anything else is what drove its adoption. Calling it a toy is just ignorant hyperbole to make your point.

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    12. Re:Let's be clear by el+cisne · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Thought I was logged in, sorry. Exactly! They have over time appeared to be outwardly a 'market share protection', 'monopoly sized market share protection' company. Windows is the castle keep. Everything else serves to augment and bolster it's position. That is where the money and the market power come from. All things serve Windows. Even Office is subservient, to help promote and hold Windows share. They are not a technology company, they are a 'market share product protection' company that happens to use software and licenses and such to operate in. That's largely why their efforts fail or near-fail when they are not able to tie them to Windows' dominance somehow and/or threaten other industry players with their lives if they don't play ball.

    13. Re:Let's be clear by mitchell_pgh · · Score: 2

      I respectfully disagree with your use of the word "toy" when referencing the original iPhone. Apple, like a few others, simply understood the mobile experience users wanted when using a mobile communication device.

      This argument goes beyond an iPhone. We really need to fire up the Way-Back-Machine to 2001 with the release of iTunes and the iPod (remember "Rip Mix Burn"? I sure do!). Apple used their "Software/Hardware" formula to build a truly unique ecosystem that really took off in 2004 with the release of iTunes for Windows. When 2007 rolled around (the launch of the iPhone), they already had millions of loyal iPod users that were hooked on the simplicity of the Apple ecosystem. They also had an e-commerce solution that made sense (for the most part). Apple simply built upon their success: iTunes -> iPod -> iTunes Music Store -> iTunes Store -> iPhone -> iApps -> iPad

      Microsoft was simply unable or unwilling the make a true iTunes competitor, which made them unable to move to the next step and create a viable iPod/iStore/iPhone/iPad competitor. Also, their various DRM solutions were flat out confusing. They didn't negotiate the big music deals Apple was able to negotiate, and by the time they figured out that they missed the boat, others had already capitalized on the missed opportunities.Google did exactly what Microsoft wanted to do (control the Operating System), but Google trumped Microsoft by offering the OS as open source to the manufacturers, expecting the make up for that with their App store.

      In many ways, I feel sorry for Microsoft. They do a number of things well, but it's clear they aren't able to deliver a viable mobile solution without cutting their ties to manufacturers, which is problematic.

    14. Re:Let's be clear by UnknowingFool · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And he was right, it was a toy. But apparently the toy market is a lot bigger than the pocket computer market. It turns out that people wanted a pocket toy, and not a pocket computer. That the toy happens to use a computer to make it so much fun is a technical issue.

      That's the thing that most geeks and MS didn't get. The average consumer does not want a computer much less a pocket computer. They use computers because they have to use them to surf the web and do other things. As soon as someone offered them a product that met most of their needs without being a computer, they bought it. If you want to consider it a toy, go ahead. To consumers, it's not a toy; it's what they wanted. That's why tablets are selling even though you can get a cheap laptop for the same price.

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    15. Re:Let's be clear by wickerprints · · Score: 2

      I'm old enough to remember what mobile phones used to be like before the iPhone, and old enough to remember Windows CE, the PocketPC, and Microsoft's first foray into tablet computing.

      The fundamental reason why Microsoft failed in the mobile market was because they doggedly tried to shoehorn some scaled-down version of Windows into a mobile device, and the hardware at the time simply did not permit that to happen. Their strategy had always been about leveraging their existing dominance in the OS market, because they knew people were hooked on Windows and Office. So, in theory, by extending these products into other areas of computing, they could continue that advantage.

      This, of course, simply did not work. It certainly didn't work the way it worked with Internet Explorer back when they crushed Netscape, and yes, a lot of that had to do with the teams that were responsible for developing Windows CE and their mobile strategy. But what is most telling about Ballmer's disclosure here is that it reflects a continued inability to understand exactly why Apple (and later, Google) were successful when Microsoft was not.

      Apple succeeded because they built a self-contained, refined product that was better than anything else at the time. Back in 2007, remember what kind of phones existed then. Don't measure the original iPhone by what we have now, but by who were the market leaders at the time, which were Nokia and Samsung. Apple's success came from taking what the hardware at the time was capable of doing, and then building software that worked seamlessly with it, while offering new features. What they recognized was that the existing mobile phones were being held back by hardware companies who were only interested in incremental improvements on old hardware and old design. They saw an opportunity to break through that by offering something completely new.

      That's not to say Microsoft didn't have vision. It's just that their vision was essentially that they would have miniature versions of Windows on all kinds of mobile devices. The proof of that is the Casio PocketPC I owned way back in the day. It was clunky and slow but I was so enamored of the idea of a portable computing device I put up with it. And I remember my friends buying their tablet PCs too. But ultimately, Windows just didn't translate well, and that's why they were failures.

      The lesson is one that Apple has always espoused--build the hardware and software together. Make them work together. It doesn't have to be fully featured, but it does have to work seamlessly and reliably, and be easy to use. How you get there is up to you. Google approached it from another angle--they built the OS and gave it away. And now we can understand why Microsoft bought Nokia--they realized that this integrative strategy is the only way to compete. But it is much too late.

    16. Re:Let's be clear by XopherMV · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Microsoft was not looking to make a Phone a PC

      I worked at Microsoft from 2004-2005. This was before the iPhone or Android phones. Most people had flip-phones. If you wanted a smart phone, you either got a Blackberry or a Windows phone. Those were the most advanced phones on the market. They were around years before Apple thought of getting into the phone business.

      Keep in mind that Microsoft mainly earns its money through the sales of Windows and Office. So, every product they make is engineered to drive the sales of those two products. One of the initial groups I interviewed with at Microsoft were the guys making the Windows phones. (No, I didn't end up working with this group.)

      Yes, they absolutely were attempting to bring the Windows PC experience to the phone. And yes, that was a disaster.

      The problem was that tiny screens don't work well with a Windows type of interface. Users don't like the clutter. Microsoft needed to make the interface transparent and focus on what people actually wanted to do with their phones, which is use applications.

      Hiding the Windows interface doesn't work when you're attempting to promote Windows. Marketing which promotes "Windows on your phone!" doesn't sell phones. I remember thinking during my interview, "what does Windows on my phone actually get me? Why would I want that?" Microsoft itself couldn't adequately answer that question until the iPhone and Android came out and focused on the apps. Even then, Microsoft still screwed up their answer to the iPhone and Android. They simply can't get away from promoting Windows and Office.

    17. Re:Let's be clear by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Informative

      Those "apps" were hard to find, didn't work on half the phones, buying them (if for-pay) was real achievement, and for a lot of things they would do less than a web app could have done.

      Yes, one of the things Apple got right when they added Apps was the App Store. It took all of the hard work out of finding and installing apps. I suspect that even on Android, most people use the Google Play store. On Slashdot, we view the App Store with disinterest because we've been using repositories and package management systems forever, but to most of the public the concept was pretty new.

      While I'd _never_ have spent the price of an iPhone on it, a proper, useable browser was something rather new and significant.

      It really was something. It blew away anything else at the time.

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    18. Re:Let's be clear by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      Should be...

      I regret that there was a period in the early 2000s when I was so focused on what I had to do around Windows that I wasn't able to redeploy talent to the new device called the phone,' Ballmer told the audience of Wall Street analysts and investors. 'That is the thing I regret the most.'

      Last I checked :
      - there is no I in team
      - I do not believe Ballmer to be skilled to be redoing work in Kernel nor would he be micro-managing engineering teams
      - Windows 2k was great, but lacked functionalities and ease of access.
      - He dropped out of Stanford Graduate School of Business to join Microsoft [source: wiki]. Doesn't mean he made a bad choice; Look at the proportion of Windows based servers in operation in the world. They might've miss the first boat by focusing on their main source of revenue, but they made the acquisition of Nokia. Had they gone cell phone, Android might have plunged into servers - who knows.

      To justify his position in the company he is the ultimate leader and facilitator for company success. Failing to be a good observer or listener and missing the boat, time after time does not bode well for his final mark. Many of the structural problems within the company he has failed to address, which is how a nimble competitor, such as Google, blew past Microsoft in the interval following the initial success of the iPhone and successive launches of Android. The play field was there and he was so blinkered he utterly missed the opportunity. Good leaders take the responsibility, poor leaders spread blame.

      The acquisition of Nokia may be the last great screw-up of Ballmer. Where they should be pairing with a company which specializes in the hardware, they've gone and tied their wagon to one horse, named Nokia. The layoffs at Nokia will be coming fast and furious as Microsoft wind it down. They know this already in Finland.

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    19. Re:Let's be clear by nine-times · · Score: 2

      Nice, I didn't think anyone would.

    20. Re:Let's be clear by Anne+Thwacks · · Score: 2
      The Windows phones of that era were unmitigated shite, constantly crashing losing apps and data, and bug fixes never happened. When a new version came out, the customer base was publicly shafted. They are still doing this while Android and IOS ship regular upgrades to their user base (Maybe not in America).

      Many business users tried this technology, and none will risk trying it again.

      MS have yet to learn that customers do not like being publicly slapped in the face with a wet fish!

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  2. Misread Market Badly by TrollstonButterbeans · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft misread several markets really badly in the early 2000s and present. They had an attitude that they had "won" the entire PC and computing market for now and forever.

    This caused them to grow really complacent and unimaginative and slow to react to market changes.

    But possibly the worst factor was the narrow Microsoft-centric nerdism amongst a good share of the Microsoft faithful that kept eyes closed to very obvious shortcomings in Microsoft's various bungled attempts in the last decade.

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    1. Re:Misread Market Badly by BitwizeGHC · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've said before that Gates stepping down as CEO was exactly like Ernst Stavro Blofeld stepping down as head of SPECTRE and letting Number Two take the reins. There's a reason why he's called Number Two, and a reason why Blofeld is considered the evil genius.

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  3. Re:Ballmer by realmolo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Absolutely.

    Ballmer is the one that put the "Every department MUST rate their employees, and MUST fire the employees that have the lowest ratings. Every year." system in place, which is...insane. And stupid. In fact, it's so insane and stupid it's almost unbelievable. This guy is the CEO of one of the richest companies in the world? And he put a system in place to ENSURE that EVERYONE spends most of their workday sabotaging the other employees in order to save their own job?

    Ballmer only got/kept the job because he's buddies with Gates, and buddies with the Board. That's how it works in EVERY corporation these days, but generally the CEO is somebody that, at worst, is harmless. Ballmer was actively incompetent, and his idiocy damaged the company. He should be sued by the shareholders.

  4. Early 2000s by kingduct · · Score: 3, Interesting

    'I regret that there was a period in the early 2000s when we were so focused on what we had to do around Windows that we weren't able to redeploy talent to the new device called the phone."

    He referring to the early 2000s when there wasn't a new version of Windows for 6 years?

    1. Re:Early 2000s by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You seem to assume there wasn't a new version of Windows because Microsoft was doing nothing, rather than the actual reason that the Vista project was a complete disaster that went years over-schedule.

      That's what he's referring to, no doubt. "What we had to do around Windows" was "getting Vista into shippable state".

  5. Re:Ballmer by alen · · Score: 3, Informative

    what do you expect? ballmer got his MBA at harvard at the same time the current GE CEO was there. and that's where the ranking system was born, at GE

  6. I am just tired of Microsoft... by bogaboga · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...that's what is keeping me from buying into their [eco]system. The cash Microsoft have collected from me over the years should be enough, I believe. The name Microsoft just makes me yawn.

    Anyone feel the same?

    1. Re:I am just tired of Microsoft... by Minwee · · Score: 4, Funny

      Lotus Notes can out-crap all of those put together.

  7. Fundamental differences by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft simply failed to recognize that people use phones differently than they use desktop computers. MS started by trying to make a desktop Windows run on a smartphone. That cratered because a UI that works on a desktop is awkward and hard to use on the small screen of a phone. Lack of touchscreen support didn't help one bit. And even after they got that concept, they've continued to try to force people into the Windows ecosystem rather than attempting to fit their phones into the existing ecosystems. People don't care much about Office on their phones beyond e-mail and for personal use Exchange integration is almost irrelevant because most people's e-mail accounts aren't Exchange, they're generic POP3/IMAP4 accounts or GMail. Now Microsoft is left with a minority position and an unwillingness to play in anyone else's sandbox, not to mention having actively torqued off the owner of one of the two biggest sandboxes out there (Google). Is it any wonder they're having a hard time gaining traction?

    1. Re:Fundamental differences by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 2

      That's their latest attempt to dig themselves out of the hole. But it's the same mistake they made at the beginning, only reversed: instead of making a phone that works like a desktop, they're trying to make desktops work like phones. At this point they can't fail to get the idea that people don't use phones the same way they use desktops, so I can't write this one off to just them being clueless.

  8. Re:What I dont get... by DogDude · · Score: 2

    It makes sense because their offering is excellent (most who have used it say "superior", and it's just a matter of time, now. It would be silly for them to walk away at this point.

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  9. Re:What I dont get... by alen · · Score: 2

    because for most people smartphones are taking over the job of windows PC's and more. you can buy a cheapo PC and keep it for many years now where as before you had to upgrade every few years.

    same with ipads. you can do almost everything on an ipad that a PC does short of some games and programming.

    and they are a threat to the MS Office cash cow.

  10. Even the great ones whiff by themushroom · · Score: 2

    There's a long history of businesses saying "nah, not going that way" then finding out they made the wrong choice and missed the boat. Good that Ballmer admits what everyone has known for a long time regarding being late to the smartphone party, how can he not?

    Funny he should take a poke at Google since Bing is... uh, Bing... but to MSFT's credit they took up the mantle to challenge Google at search engine technology. They could have very well said "nah, it's been done, look Yahoo and Alta Vista, ad infinitum, there's no meat on the bone" and left it alone. Which, in many opinions, wouldn't have been that bad a thing to pass on since, well, Bing -- but it's still a revenue stream despite quality. MSFT can't always buy a winner when they can't make a winner.

  11. Re:Ballmer by hedwards · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What happens if all the members of that team are above average in terms of company wide productivity? Or you have a weak team where all of them are below average? You lose one of the better employees and one of the worst employees. But, it's not even a break even situation as stress and burn out will affect the stronger team more than the weak team.

    Normally, I'd assume that you're trolling, but there's a lot of morons on here that view humans as replaceable machinery to be used and discarded on a whim because having a job is a "privilege" and not a right. But, without a decent job, you can't afford an apartment, food or anything beyond the most meager of necessities, because ZOMG we can't actually set up a system that will care for people that aren't already hugely wealthy.

    The right wing's complete and utter incompetence on economic matters is threatening to render the US back to the 3rd world.

  12. Re:"We"? by hedwards · · Score: 2

    The workers, and they must be punished with layoffs and having their bonuses suspended until they fix the problem of leadership.

  13. Re:Poor Windows CE by unixisc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    CE was barely a good PDA OS, much less a phone OS. At that time, the mistake Microsoft made was putting a PC UI on PDAs. They corrected that w/ Windows Phone 8, albeit late to market, but the real mistake they did there was going overboard and putting that same UI on the PC version of Windows 8.

    Otherwise, my Lumia has a fine interface, and is actually the best handheld for typing that I've had.

  14. Re:What I dont get... by dunezone · · Score: 2

    > Microsoft should focus on the things where it is successful including XBOX and Windows and Office.

    Microsoft still focuses on those markets, but it has the resources to step out of the box and try to capitalize in other markets. The problem is that they have failed more than succeeded when trying to enter a new market. They were successful with the Xbox but failed with the Zune and on course to fail with the Windows Phone, and Microsoft Surface.

    Now you can enter markets and lose as long as your cash cows (Windows/Office) maintain control and continue to sell. The problem and in my opinion the reason why Ballmer is on his way out is not because of his failure with the Zune/Windows Phone/Microsoft Surface but the failure of Windows Vista and Windows 8. Microsoft has flopped on two of the last three releases of their biggest cash cow.

  15. Re:Its friday... by Naosuke · · Score: 2

    Let's not forget the monkey dance

  16. This is bullshit by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is a cop out statement if I ever heard of one.

    Just Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Mobile#Windows_Mobile_2003

    And you will see that at one point Microsoft had 41% of the "smartphone" market at the time. Their only major competitor was RIM.

    I mean Microsoft defined "smartphone", their phones allowed you to run apps, games and multimedia and was the natural evolution of Windows Pocket PC which was also a major player in the early 2000's.

    To say that Microsoft did not invest talent into mobile devices and phones in the early 2000 is pure, unadulterated bullshit.

    Yes, iPhone was a disruptor in the market, but Ballmer simply turned over and gave up on Windows Mobile products. It was 100% his own incompetence as a CEO to maintain a product that had, at one time, a major segment of the market.

    Its like Ballmer is trying to make it sound like he just didn't see the potential for Microsoft to capitalize on phones and was too focused on desktops, and not the bigger reality that Ballmer is just incompetent as a CEO for letting a product that once defined the market at the time slip into irrelevance.

    Ballmer the Blamer, this is going to define him as he wraps up his days at Microsoft.

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    1. Re:This is bullshit by Christophotron · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is correct. I was a Windows Mobile user from 2006-2010. It was the best mobile platform at the time -- it did more than the competitors. Microsoft let it rot and fade away into obscurity, while the competition got better and better. By the time Microsoft "upgraded" their mobile OS (read: completely EOL'ed and threw away the previous version and replaced it with a completely new, incompatible, less-functional one), Android and IOS had completely taken over the market.

      I was a WM user for two phone-generations and I had no choice but to switch to Android. In 2010, Microsoft simply did not have a viable product anymore, even compared to their old phones, let alone the new Android and iPhones. They started completely over from scratch, breaking all compatibility with previous versions (_twice_, with both WP7 and WP8), way too late in the development cycle to compete with current offerings from competitors. Windows Phone continues to try to catch up to its former self, in features and capability, while Android has gone way beyond that, and continues to improve. Nearly all of the former Windows Mobile developers have switched to Android and will likely never return -- the mindshare loss was devastating.

      But Microsoft has a lot of money to throw at the problem -- they will eventually catch up, and then struggle to regain what they once had.

    2. Re:This is bullshit by QilessQi · · Score: 2

      They had a lot of money to throw at the Zune, too. They never caught up.

  17. Re:Ballmer by Entropius · · Score: 2

    It's not left-wing; if anything, it's right-wing. (I'm a centrist.)

    Left-wing economics in the US seems predicated on the assumption that there is X amount of stuff to go around, and the 1% are using more than their share of stuff, and ought to give more to everyone else. The left-wing narrative sets the wealthy against the poor.

    Right-wing economics (at least the sane, non-theological version of it) says that wealth isn't a zero-sum game, and that wealth is created for both parties (whether rich or poor) whenever there's a voluntary exchange of labor, goods, land, whatever. The right-wing narrative says that we are all in a quest to improve the overall wealth of society, and "a rising tide floats all boats".

    Ballmer pits employees against each other; "good business practice" pits them all against the bottom line. If even the worst fellow in the shop creates more value for the company than his salary, he's worth keeping around. That's more like the right-wing narrative.

  18. Re:Ballmer by jbolden · · Score: 2

    I agree with you Republicans are nuts... but in all fairness. Microsoft is a Democrat company. Ballmer is a Democrat. Stack ranking has been popular with Democrats and Republican like Welch. This one isn't partisan.

  19. Re:Ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Absolutely.

    Ballmer is the one that put the "Every department MUST rate their employees, and MUST fire the employees that have the lowest ratings. Every year." system in place, which is...insane. And stupid. In fact, it's so insane and stupid it's almost unbelievable. This guy is the CEO of one of the richest companies in the world? And he put a system in place to ENSURE that EVERYONE spends most of their workday sabotaging the other employees in order to save their own job?

    (as an ex-Microsoftie) the negative impact of the review system wasn't just about saving yourself from landing in the bottom 10% and being managed out, it was all through the scale also for the top performers. There was a forced distribution curve, across often quite small and visible groups of employees. Only so many % in a certain pay level band and role type could get the best rating, only so many % could get the next level etc. This had significant impact on your yearly bonus, and on your career opportunities.

    Problem was: 1) You often knew who your internal competition for getting a good rating was (and you were often asked to provide 360* feedback on them...). 2) The people who decided on your final rating (moving people up and down to fit the curve) was usually skip-level execs that had no direct visibility on your performance unless you played politics - which this obviously became a very strong incentive to do. Getting a good rating was about focusing on internal success factors and self-marketing (making sure you were perceived better than your internal competition) much more than external (customer/market) focus, performance and results. I still believe the senior leadership team grossly underestimate the toxic effect this have on the org, and how much focus and resources are wasted on these internally driven motivations.

    This was one of the main reasons for me leaving. I'm now very glad to be working somewhere were we can succeed together. It makes such a difference. And for friends still there, I really hope the new CEO can put an end to this madness.

  20. It's exactly where they should be by transporter_ii · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Everyone keeps coming up with suggestions to put them back on top. Everyone just shut up. I like them exactly where they are at. They still provide some competition in the marketplace, which is good. They did, however, get knocked down a few pegs...which is really where we want them at, right? I for one, don't want MS to have a killer phone/tablet. Keep them around, but in the exact spot they are in now: NOT ON TOP.

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    1. Re:It's exactly where they should be by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not really. They must be in constant competition for customers, because that is the only way that we customers can win.

  21. Re:Ballmer by hedwards · · Score: 3, Informative

    Which party is it that's in favor of cutting food stamps to give tax breaks to the rich?

    Ballmer's rich, he may be a Democrat, but he has a vested interest in seeing that conservative policies are followed. As those policies are how he was able to accumulate so much wealth without contributing anything of value. Under a more liberal economic policy and regulatory set up, MS would never have been allowed to grow as big as it has, without earning that size. They would have been broken up in the late '90s when they used their size to stifle innovation across the industry.

    Bottom line here is that it's the conservatives that are always trumpeting this sort of maladaptive business practice so that they can easily scare voters.

  22. Re:Its friday... by LordThyGod · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Let's not forget the monkey dance

    Really, the stupidest thing the man ever did was laugh out loud in public at the iphone. That pretty much says it all. He doesn't understand technology. That would seem to be a nice quality to have for his role. The entire strategy there is wait for someone else to do something nice, get some traction, use your own market share to muscle your way into the market, and then start pushing everybody else out. That worked for Gates, but Ballmer was too slow to react. Constantly. Could not see it coming, and then laughs at the biggest shift in technology in the last decade. Dweeb.

  23. Re:Ballmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'll try to be neutral, but I think there's a more correct version of the left-wing economics in the US (what you've described is a more "theological" version of it, so to speak).

    It's that below a certain amount of wealth, your ability to create wealth is arbitrarily curtailed, while above a certain wealth, your ability to create wealth has diminishing returns. So we have an inefficient allocation of wealth that is self-reinforcing. The rising tide will benefit all on average, but especially the poor, if we work to counteract the inequalities.

    Basically, personal wealth is used as both an incentive to create more societal wealth, and a means to create more personal wealth. Ideally the incentive and the means aspects should be decoupled so you don't get locked in by circumstance.

  24. Re:What I dont get... by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It makes sense if that market is at least partially responsible for eroding one of their key markets. While iOS and Android are not completely responsible for the substantial drop in PC sales, the rise of the smart device has played a substantial role. If Microsoft cannot find a way to insert itself into this market, then its long term outlook on the consumer end of the business is cast in substantial doubt.

    It's clear by the introduction of a (heavily crippled) Office variant for Android and iOS that they are ultimately willing to surrender to the temptation to once again put a version of Office on a platform it does not control. It did so with Mac, but Macs have always been bit players so I don't think that represents the kind of shift MS is prepared to pursue now. It's the first sign that the company is prepared to cede market dominance to Android and iOS, and get its piece of the pie by releasing some variant of Office, which is the company's backbone.

    It's still just dipping its toe in the water, but I suspect over the next couple of years you're going to see major shifts in how MS views its consumer offerings. From what I can tell, there is a growing ill sentiment among shareholders to Microsoft just endlessly throwing money at consumer markets and not getting any kind of return. Even the XBox, while it has been in the black on a quarterly basis for the last few quarters, still is years away from paying back the vast investment in capital and R&D that Redmond threw at it.

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  25. Re:Ballmer by dunezone · · Score: 5, Interesting

    > what do you expect? ballmer got his MBA at harvard at the same time the current GE CEO was there. and that's where the ranking system was born, at GE

    What you are referring to is the Jack Welch approach. Its a strategy that was developed to eliminate excess employees. It works. Its biggest pro is that once implemented it shows the main result of excess employee elimination in a short period of time. It has two major flaws one that appears in the short term and one that appears in the long term if you continue to the use the strategy. The major flaw in the short term is that you can have a department full of amazing employees but you're forced to eliminate someone, this is probably something most companies are willing to accept when deploying the strategy. The other major flaw which Microsoft is now seeing is what happens when you keep this strategy around for too long. It creates a hostile environment where no one wants to help each other. No department wants to see the other succeed nor do they want to see their co-workers succeed because you're in constant competition for your own job.

    Its a strategy that can work and it did for General Electric, but Jack Welch had other strategies he mixed with this strategy that made it work with GE.

  26. Re:What I dont get... by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

    You're not serious, right? The overwhelming majority of the market has completely ignored it, and from what I can tell, most of its alleged users are paid shills.

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  27. Re:What I dont get... by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

    The XBox division is only profitable in the sense that it no longer needs massive cash injections to keep it alive. It is a long ways from paying off the huge outlay of cash that Microsoft made to push it into the market.

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  28. Branding problem by Larry_Dillon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I think a huge part of their problem is with branding. Apple and Android are seen as cool and sexy whereas Microsoft is perceived as uncool and business-oriented. XBox is the only exception I can think of. The exact same hardware, delivered by a cool, edgy start-up, could have done much better.

    To be fair, I haven't even touched a Windows phone, but my perception is that it's going to try to lock you into MS offerings (Apple does this too) and it will try and keep you from doing cool things if that doesn't somehow make money for MS.

    Is this really true, is this just my perception, or is this the general perception? Bear in mind that first-hand experience (reality) has nothing to do with the perception of those that haven't touched it.

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  29. Maybe they just don't know? by erroneus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The world basically hates Microsoft. There are tons of reasons for it, but when it comes to new computing devices (that is to say, non-PCs) they do NOT want Microsoft running it because of their horrible experience with Microsoft stuff. It's a discussion which would last until the end of time as to what and who is to blame if the people's experiences were caused by others people and that it's not Microsoft's fault or even if it's just perception which is no longer valid. It doesn't matter. It's like the stock market -- it is what people believe it is and that's the end of the story.

    So when given a choice, people choose "not Microsoft." Not so much that they choose Android or Apple of whatever. It's that they voted "not Microsoft." And I think that says more than enough in a completely clear and understandable way. However, has Microsoft paid any mind to this problem? Have they worked to reverse those problems at all? Once again, opinions will vary, but I'm saying NO. No visible effort at attempting to win the hearts and minds of the users. They already have dominance and all their effort was, in my opinion, coasting and doing just enough to maintain and take advantage of their dominance.

    To this day, one example of Microsoft hubris sticks in my mind the strongest and I just can't get beyond it. Microsoft one day changed their volume licenses of Windows to "upgrade only." This enabled them to sell two copies of Windows for each computer sold. A business who wanted to save money on licensing used to buy enough seats for their users and that was it. But Microsoft just changed the license terms and said "you have to have Windows in order to qualify to use your volume licensed images." When I learned about that, I was just furious. No longer can we save money by telling Dell, "no OS... we'll take care of it." Sell it twice and use it once. Come on!!!

    Not only did they lose the good will of the end users who hate Microsoft for speed, usability and stability reasons, they started taking advantage of the businesses who are their primary source of money.

    So when people have a choice, choosing "not Microsoft" seems like a rational choice.

    1. Re:Maybe they just don't know? by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 3

      The world basically hates Microsoft. There are tons of reasons for it, ...

      Actually in the end there is one reason the world hates Microsoft and that is because Microsoft has shown such disdain for the world that they don't even deign to hate the world.

      Going back to their first major antitrust move, writing DOS2 so that present versions of Lotus 1-2-3 could not run on it. Thus giving current DOS and Lotus users problems: stick with the old DOS or give up 1-2-3 or wait till there was a DOS2 compatible 1-2-3.

      At every turn Microsoft has shown again and again that they were willing to push some hardship on their users if that they could benefit from it.

      There were many senior managers who used Microsoft and hated doing it for years, bordering on decades, but were stuck doing so.

      Now Microsoft expects to play Lucy to the world's Charlie Brown, and does everything they can to convince to convince the world that they will not one more time pull the football away just before he kicks it. Except the world isn't as gullible as Charlie Brown.

      Or to put it the way I did in the late 1990's when a friend asked my why I hated Microsoft. "Because Microsoft hates me."

  30. Revisionist history by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I used to work for Microsoft from the mid-90's to the mid-2000's and once again Ballmer engages in the worst kind of revisionist history. The problem wasn't that he didn't "redeploy talent". The problem is that the vision for phone and tablets was WRONG. He can't admit that because that would be admitting that the fault lies at the top, specifically with Gates and himself. A lot of CEO are guilty of that. In earning calls they'll blame their problems on "execution", implying that their strategy is flawless but the peons just can't do anything right.

    Things used to turn out OK at Microsoft because there was a culture that encouraged debate. You could fight for your ideas regardless of rank. It was OK to disagree with your boss, your VP, or even your CEO. Eventually, the ideas that prevailed were mostly right.

    But all that went away during the Ballmer years. The key to success at MS nowadays is to be a yes-man. Starting in 2001-2002 I started noticing that when somebody would disagree with a superior in a meeting the atmosphere would get very awkward. People would stare at their shoes. The whole place felt like soviet Russia. Reports would be embellished at every hierarchical levels (and they multiplied; I was 6 steps away from Gates when I started, 12 steps from Ballmer when i left).

    It's like a soviet factory that has a quota to produce 5000 tractors a year. The line workers would tell their manager that with the parts shortages, they didn't think they could build more than 3000. The manager would tell the plant director that they wouldn't quite hit the quota; maybe they'd build 4500. The director would tell comrade Komissar that he's think they would exceed the quota by 500. The Komissar would report to the party chairman that they'd handily beat the quota and build 6000 tractors. At the end of the year 2000 tractors were built and nobody knew how their predictions could be so off.

     

  31. The Left-Wing in Congress is Dead by cervesaebraciator · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This one isn't partisan.

    Regrettably, you're correct. There really isn't a left-wing in this country when it comes to economics and an exceptionally few principled libertarians are the only real right-wing. Sure, the tea-party has made right-wing rhetoric more popular, but with the exception of those few libertarians most in the GOP are all for the corrupt corporatist 'partnership' between government and business that was the great economic project of neo-conservative "compassionate conservatism". Sure, the rule of the democratic party since 2008 which managed to pass a health-care reform might make one think the left had risen again. But when one actually looks at the bill he realizes, contrary to establishment Republican rhetoric, the ACA is another business/government partnership which was itself created by Republican think-tanks. There hasn't been a real economic left in this country since before Clinton (incidentally, the notion that Clinton was himself on the left, popular during the Bush years among Republicans, is laughable but indicative; they regard a president as leftist who supported welfare reform and further deregulated the credit market).

    What we have in the politics of this country is a broad consensus. Republicans get elected campaigning for smaller government, but their campaign is financed by a corporation which expects to receive a return on its investment. Democrats get electing campaigning for tighter regulation on business, but their campaign is financed by businesses which hope for regulations that will benefit them and harm competition. Both campaign on social issues which people care deeply about--and rightly so--but neither means to do anything significant about them unless forced. Both exploit divisions in Congress they create to ensure angry voters will come to the polls.

    The center is the problem. I'm pretty far on the right, having great sympathy with the agrarians and distributists and reckoning modern industrial capitalism as destructive toward traditional values, but I'd sooner have more real socialists elected by the Democratic party with this lot. Compromise is possible between two people who are principled. The socialist may wish to raise the minimum wage and reduce working hours to increase employment and justice toward the workers. I might agree, if he can show his proposal doesn't lead to excess inflation, since such a proposal would be good for strengthening family life. I would ask in return that we increase tax credits for homeowners (single-homeowners only, of course, and for homes valued under a certain threshold) since this would at once decrease taxes and increase the independence and stability of the family. The socialist might agree, for in spite of shrinking the tax base slightly, such a proposal would help move us toward a more progressive tax policy--something which was once an ideal for the left in this country but has eroded for many reasons. Yet the socialist and I will never agree on the importance of private property. That is alright. We won't agree on everything, but we can find common ground precisely because we are both principled. Thus I wish there were a real left and a real right in this country, that we might find compromise. But the centrist D's and R's can never compromise and never agree, precisely because they stand for nothing other than victory for their tribe and the corporate sponsorship that comes with it.

  32. Re:What I dont get... by occasional_dabbler · · Score: 2

    I agree. I have a Lumia 925 and it is a joy to look at, hold and use. The only place WP8 is not catching on is the USA. It's number 2 in India, Latin America and Russia and growing in Europe. 77% year on year growth. Ask yourself "Why a coloured plastic iPhone and why an iOS with flat graphics? Where have I seen those ideas used before?"

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  33. Re:What I dont get... by occasional_dabbler · · Score: 2

    The overwhelming majority of the US market has completely ignored it... FTFY

    Seriously, there is a pretty strong 'fanboi' base in the rest of the world. Why not try it for yourself? The phone that is really helping the sales figures for MS/Nokia is the Lumia 520, which you can get for GBP140 SIM-free in the UK and for GBP90 on PAYG deals. In the US I've seen reports it can be bought for $60 with a mail-in rebate. That's my monthly coffee budget. It has pretty decent specs (dual-core 1GHz, 512MB RAM 480p screen) and it has some nice high-end features like the screen you can use with gloves on, a micro SD slot and you can even 3D print new covers using files from Nokia. In most of the world, a Nokia/Microsoft phone has a lot more kudos than a Chinese landfill Android. And because WP8 doesn't need massive power/resources to run smoothly it offers 90% of iPhone functionality at 10% cost.

    I've had several Windows Phones (Bought, I'm not a shill) and without the Nokia Apps they're ...meh, ok... the Nokia apps make all the difference. 3D Maps, full turn by turn satnav, 'DLSR-like' camera control, DNLA server, free streaming music, etc. etc...

    Go figure...

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  34. Re:Ballmer by Kjella · · Score: 2

    It creates a hostile environment where no one wants to help each other. No department wants to see the other succeed nor do they want to see their co-workers succeed because you're in constant competition for your own job.

    People are already a bit like that because they chase promotions and raises, but there it's more everyone for themselves. What's worse about a firing policy is that it creates scheming to find a fall guy, it's like one of those reality shows where one person has to leave every week. Usually it's not the "best" person who wins, it's the one who creates the most alliances then backstabs people at the right time and subtly enough the group doesn't turn on him/her. Exactly the kind of workers you want, yeah.

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  35. Re:Ballmer by SeattleGameboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To be fair, it worked at Microsoft for a long time as well. This system works well as long as there is certain upward mobility for all involved, specifically the stock price. When the Microsoft stock was doubling every few years, this reward system really did not ruffle much feathers as everyone still took part in the stock price rising. Sure, you may have not gotten as much stock as the "top performer", but you got enough that you really didn't think about it much.

    This all changed once Microsoft stock started stagnating. This took all these safety nets away. Now, your performance review/rating took even GREATER effect as you were not getting rewarded for "free" with stock price rising. Now, you had to fight hand and tooth against your co-workers to make sure that you got yours.

    THIS is why MS started tanking. The infighting that happened because rewards were true zero-sum game. If you win, someone else loses. It took all motivation to cooperate and build something together.

  36. Re:Ballmer by coinreturn · · Score: 2

    Been watching MSNBC again eh?

    All that cool-aid you are spewing about republicans is simply NOT TRUE. if you listen to what they *actually* trying to do and not what some folks are saying they are trying to do, I think your opinion of republicans might be a bit different.

    Rush calls folks like you "Low information voters" which means you are largely misinformed about what is actually going on.

    I think you're the low information voter. Did you miss where the Republican House just passed a bill to cut $39B from food stamps, just like the OP said?

  37. I believe I read recently... by Lendrick · · Score: 2

    ...that more people are running CyanogenMod on their Android phones than are using Windows phones. And CyanogenMod isn't a picnic to set up if you're a layperson, either.

  38. No apps = no customers by VernorVinge · · Score: 2

    Android took a while to catch up to Apple's market share because of a smaller apps store, but they managed to do so because they already achieved a critical mass of apps. Blackberry failed because they never had enough apps to attract customers. Barnes and Noble tried to sell Nook tablets with their own tiny app store, and had to give up because customers were rooting the devices to access Google Play. Microsoft will never catch up to Apple or Android without a massive infusion of cash and labor. Developers have a hard enough time building apps for two platforms, let alone three.

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  39. Steve Ballmer's quotes by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://allthingsd.com/20130824/beyond-monkey-boy-its-a-steve-ballmer-quote-tacular/

    On iPods (2006): "No, I do not [have an iPod]. Nor do my children. My children - in many dimensions theyâ(TM)re as poorly behaved as many other children, but at least on this dimension I've got my kids brainwashed - you don't use Google and you don't use an iPod"

    On Android (2011): "You don't need to be a computer scientist to use a Windows Phone. I think you do to use an Android phone ... It is hard for me to be excited about the Android phones"

    On the iPhone (2007): "There's no chance that the iPhone is going to get any significant market share. No chance. It's a $500 subsidized item"

    On Linux (2001): "Linux is a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches"

    On the iPhone once again (2007): "$500, fully subsidized, with a plan! That is the most expensive phone in the world and it doesn't appeal to business customers, because it doesn't have a keyboard, which makes it not a very good email machine"

    And, a vid, for all to enjoy ---
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eywi0h_Y5_U

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  40. I'm sorta with you, but sorta not. by sgtrock · · Score: 2

    Personally, I think we'd be far, FAR better off if had a much more pluralistic, parliamentary structure instead of the false right-left dichomoty that has dominated American politics since the country was founded. We need flexibility in our governmental system, not some ossified, static monolith.