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California Elementary Schools To Test Anti-Piracy Curriculum

New submitter newbie_fantod writes "Ignoring the fact that the surest way to get a child to do something is to tell them not to, the RIAA and MPAA have developed an anti-piracy curriculum for kindergarten through grade 6. The pilot project is scheduled for testing in California schools later this year." Mitch Stoltz, an EFF attorney, isn't impressed: “It suggests, falsely, that ideas are property and that building on others’ ideas always requires permission,” Stoltz says. “The overriding message of this curriculum is that students’ time should be consumed not in creating but in worrying about their impact on corporate profits.”

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  1. Indoctrination and Propoganda by killfixx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's worked for years with every other product...

    Get them while they're young and you'll have a "___________" (insert appropriate noun here) for life... Customer, slave, zealot, etc...

    The only problem is that government is allowing corporations to push their agenda in the classroom... It wasn't enough to have it at the beginning of every one of their Disney movies --you know, the ones that kids watch ad infinitum, now they're allowed to spread their FUD in the schools, too! Yay!

    How long before we see "Lunch! Sponsored by McDonald's", etc...

    That's not the only issue at play here...

    The backers for this program (RIAA/MPAA) are all wealthy, so their kids will never see these things in school. They'll be free from the propaganda and allowed to be creative and free. But, not the common man, because he can't afford freedom...

    Hrmm... I wonder if that's how this is supposed to work... Freedom for those that can afford it...

    Makes me wonder if there'll ever be a Star Trek-esque Utopia...

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    1. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 4, Funny

      So do the Sony Youth get a special knife?

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    2. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "It's worked for years with every other product..."

      Not always. DARE, despite being only incrementally less popular than apple pie and jesus, consistently turns in effectiveness numbers somewhere between 'useless' and 'teaches impressionable children about cool drugs that they should try' whenever some killjoy stops taking its effectiveness on faith and tries studying it.

    3. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by dkleinsc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The only problem is that government is allowing corporations to push their agenda in the classroom...

      Well, it's not the only problem: I distinctly remember as an elementary school student getting "lessons" about how awesome the latest war effort was, and being required to sing patriotic songs, and of course the reciting of the Pledge of Allegience which requires students to profess a belief in God. Oh, and watching "Channel 1 News", which was sometimes informative but often not and supported by commercials.

      Basically, the problem is that it's easier to dupe kids than it is adults, so there are lots of organizations who are positively salivating at the prospect.

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    4. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      DARE... It's a great program... Just poorly marketed...

      What? I think you got it backwards. The marketing must be great, because it's still in use all over. But it is a terribly ineffective program, as has been shown repeatedly.

    5. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Mordok-DestroyerOfWo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If there were a push for Islamic religious indoctrination in school, the humanists of the world (which I proudly consider myself one of) would be just as against it. So please, take your persecution complex back to church where you can pretend to be more Christ-like while screwing the poor and pushing your religious agenda on the rest of us. Your freedom of religion is no more important than my freedom from religion.

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    6. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by johanw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Makes me wonder if there'll ever be a Star Trek-esque Utopia..."

      The USA seems to me more en route to a Babylon 5 police state under president Clark.

    7. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      How long before we see "Lunch! Sponsored by McDonald's", etc...

      You are way behind the times, my friend. 10 years ago my friend went ballastic because his Kindergartner came home talking about how much she liked Pizza Hut. Having never been to Pizza Hut, he was curious what she was talking about. Turns out that Pizza Hut donated a bunch of Pizza Hut themed supplies to the Kindergarten in return for getting to spend the day leading the kids in various songs and play about how great Pizza Hut is. That shit has been going on for a decade. You should check out what your public schools are doing to grovel for money.

    8. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by nbauman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Well, it's not the only problem: I distinctly remember as an elementary school student getting "lessons" about how awesome the latest war effort was, and being required to sing patriotic songs, and of course the reciting of the Pledge of Allegience which requires students to profess a belief in God.

      I was in high school when they inserted "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance. I refused to say it, and my home room teacher had a shit fit. (Stupid nationalistic gym teacher.)

      I haven't said it since.

      And I won't say it until we really do have liberty and justice for all -- which isn't the direction we're going in right now.

    9. Re:Indoctrination and Propoganda by nbauman · · Score: 3, Funny

      So do the Sony Youth get a special knife?

      If they turn in their parents.

  2. School == Copying by RichMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We learn by copying. Write what you see on the board. Repeat after me. Read the book aloud ....

    Overlaying an "anti-piracy" theme is just going to be confusing and counter to the whole process.

    1. Re:School == Copying by gmuslera · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Science is about copying. Civilization is about copying. Human culture, and maybe even what is being human is about copying. We would never be where we are if a lot of people weren't standing on the shoulders of giants. Denying copying is worse than asking to reinvent the wheel each time, is forbidding to invent or use it because someone else have the exclusive rights over a basic, common sense idea.

      If you want to define intellectual property stealing, is taking exclusivity over an idea, not letting anyone to have it, no matter how common sense, how easy is to get there (i.e. adding "on internet", "on mobile" or "on computer" to common activities to patent it) or how indepently other people get it.

      And doing that in the current scenario where the US government is blatantly copying whatever US citizens and the rest of the people of the entire planet do, write, and create is to consider people retards and saying it aloud.

    2. Re:School == Copying by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Indeed. The whole idea of IP defies basic notions of cultural inheritance and evolution. I get that it might be useful for a limited time, but any extended period of time begins to subvert the very processes that lead to innovation.

      But this is what you get when you let sociopaths run the economy. The kinds of people who reaches the upper tiers of governance and corporate power are the kinds of people we should be locking away.

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    3. Re:School == Copying by idontgno · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Science is about copying.

      "If I have seen further it is by paying my proper license fees to stand on the shoulders of giants."

      -- Sir Isaac Newton, according to next year's California standard textbooks about science

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    4. Re:School == Copying by Nadaka · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The poor have been so drained by the predation of the wealthy that they have no blood left to sate the appetites of the plutocrats, now their eye turns towards the middle class, and you too will be made poor and then bled.

    5. Re:School == Copying by Sique · · Score: 4, Funny

      Actually, it would have been: "As I am licensed by the Bertrand of Chartres Heritage Trust to quote him, I hereby declare that if I have seen further it is by paying my proper license fees to stand on the shoulders of giants."

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    6. Re:School == Copying by RichMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes you are told to write what you see on the board. But did the teacher copy that from somewhere. Did they have a performance license is it transferable?

      If asked to read from a book does the student have to get a performance license first or enquire about the existence of such? Does the teacher have a performance license to read from a book. Does the school have a license to play the recording of the national anthem in the morning?
      When passed a test the student should refuse to do anything until the teacher either asserts that the creation of the test was original work and that the copy thus produced was allowed or provide a certified copy of licensing agreement allowing the reproduction of question from the book onto the test.

      And you expect grade school kids to catch onto this? Some of them will talk to parents and latch on to things do stuff like the above and drive the whole process to a standstill. Are you going to have the teachers say "we don't worry about that in the class room", if word of that gets out the parent calls the school and reports the teacher.

  3. Fuck ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Industry trade groups have no fucking business writing curriculum for children.

    These assholes are of the impression the own everything, and that all of our laws and rights are subject to their approval.

    Whatever idiot in the education system decided that indoctrinating children to the viewpoint of corporations should fired.

    I can almost bet this will have things which are an incorrect interpretation of the law as it exists, and is nothing more than corporate propaganda.

    This is the problem with America, whatever a company wants is considered right and good -- even when it's bullshit.

  4. Is this a joke? by pablo_max · · Score: 5, Informative

    Is it really the case that you have companies and special interest groups creating the curriculum for your children?
    How do you, as parents stand for this? You do know that you can go to the school board and freak out right? I think step 1 would be to organize a district wide freakout on the school board. Step 2, private school.

    1. Re:Is this a joke? by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You do know that you can go to the school board and freak out right? I think step 1 would be to organize a district wide freakout on the school board. Step 2, private school.

      Which I should think would have about the same effect as telling your elected representative your displeasure ... the people who pay them huge money in campaign donations get their ear, and the rest of us can go pound sand.

      The *AAs likely made some donations contingent on having their views on copyright be required in school. And they will skew the facts the way they always do on the topic of copyright, so the kids will be getting lied to.

      And, I'm betting the vast majority of parents can't afford to send their children to private school.

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  5. I got an idea... by GrimShady · · Score: 3, Informative

    Maybe they should teach them other stuff like math, science and reading before consuming resources protecting the income of Justin Beiber. Just sayin...

  6. Re:What idiot is allowing this by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Funny

    Most family's are forced to send there child to public schools by there circumstances.

    And some people fail to take advantage of even that standard of education, failing at basic grammar.

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  7. Corporations and Government by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    working together. There's a word for that.

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  8. Re:How do I get in? by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is there finally hope that we can teach the toddlers to not use emacs?

    "Little Mogambo will go to bed tonight with EMACS. There's no cure, but there is hope, through research. Send your generous donation to..."

  9. What about getting it into Church as well? by Aguazul2 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe it would be better to pay religions to convince the faithful that they will be tortured in Hell for copying things. Religions have a lot more experience with this kind of thing. I mean, WWJD? Would he download that torrent? Really? (Ignoring the incident with the money changer's tables for a moment.)

  10. Re:What idiot is allowing this by intermodal · · Score: 3, Funny

    In High School, most of the people I saw wearing DARE T-shirts were stoned out of their gourds.

    That said, if there was any doubt that schools have vastly strayed from the job of educating, here's proof.

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  11. Don't Copy That Floppy by wiredlogic · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Don't Copy That Floppy campaign has been a marvelous success. Floppy disk piracy is now down 100%. Cali can expect similar success with their initiative.

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  12. Re:first questions in the pre-test are... by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Funny

    Do you own an eye patch? yes or no
    Do you own a little raft with an outboard motor and an RPG?
    Do you believe the letter "R" is also a word?

    If you answered yes to any of the above, we found our violator.

    Your test makes no sense. So kids with a lazy eye in tiny boats, carrying a copy of D&D are rapists?

  13. I see a weird parallel in academia by aussersterne · · Score: 4, Interesting

    with beginning grad students. In papers, they often feel like they have to cite every . last . factual . assertion . and . word . that . they . use, to the point of having paragraphs with 20 citations in them, unreadable. But they're so terrified of "plagiarism" and heard that lecture so many times at the beginning of so many classes that it's hard to talk them out of citing Pythagorus or some writing about him when using the Pythagorean theorem, Perskyi when using the word "television," and so on. Exhausting.

    As an analog to this, they often hesitate to say anything new (i.e. anything they can't find a citation for). It's as though they feel like only institutions and the famous have license to make new things in the world, and then be cited. It recalls for me the similar divide between creators/consumers, with a hard territorial border in between the two camps, that RIAA/MPAA/BSA et. al. have tried to inculcate into the cultural consciousness.

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  14. Re:How about anti-plagiarism education? by barlevg · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, they don't dispute that the students own their own papers. They just claim that their further sale of the submissions constitutes "fair use."

    To me the horrible thing about TurnItIn is that they run this site as well.

  15. The Teachers by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If any teacher in the California public school system has even an ounce of self-respect, they will refuse to teach such skewed bullshit to their students.

    Skewed how, you might ask? from TFA:

    [The Internet Keep Safe Coalition's] president, Marsali Hancock, says fair use is not a part of the teaching material because K-6 graders don’t have the ability to grasp it.

    That's not teaching.

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  16. Why not? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Informative

    Why not let the RIAA and MPAA write curriculum? Thanks to Common Core and Race to the Top, we are already paying big businesses such as Pearson tons of money to write curriculum that teachers aren't allowed to veer from. Then we pay these companies more to administer tons of non-developmentally-appropriate tests which parents and teachers are forbidden from seeing. Then, when the kids inevitably fail (in New York, only 30% of kids passed the tests... many of these kids were straight A students who were now considered failures), these companies "helpfully" have textbooks, teacher seminars, extra help sessions for students, instruction for administrators, etc all designed to improve the students' scores on the tests the companies wrote. And all available for a price, of course.

    Don't even get me started on our education commissioner who was looking into taking legal action against parents who refused to let their kids take these tests.

    Then there's the fact that charter schools are being pushed hard. These are schools which take public school funds, but are run by businesses, don't need to take any of the tests, don't require their teachers to have any sort of training in education, can pick and choose which students are allowed in. (Bad grades? You're out. Need special services? You're out.) Politicians seem to love charter schools so much and push them whenever they can. Governor Andrew Cuomo has already suggested using the "death penalty" for public schools that don't pass the overly hard tests. Of course, you can guess what he would replace them with. (No comments from him on what would happen to the kids that the charter schools refused to serve. Would a K-12 education become only for the select few that businesses decide can have it?)

    I have a fifth grader and first grader who are dealing with all of this now so, yes, I might be a bit bitter.

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