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Judge Orders Patent Troll To Explain Its 'Mr. Sham' To Jury

netbuzz writes "Judge William Alsup of the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California has no problem calling Network Protection Sciences (NPS) a patent troll. What he does have a problem with is NPS telling a Texas court that NPS had an 'ongoing business concern' in that state run by a 'director of business development' when all it really had was a rented file-cabinet room and the 'director' was actually the building landlord who merely signed legal papers when NPS told him to do so. Judge Alsup calls the alleged business a 'sham' and the non-employee 'Mr. Sham,' yet he declined to dismiss the patent infringement lawsuit filed by NPS against Fortinet from which this information emerged. Instead, he told NPS, 'this jury is going to hear all of this stuff about the closet. And you're going to have to explain why "Mr. Sham" was signing these documents.'"

117 comments

  1. Too bad by Austrian+Anarchy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Too bad there were not any judges like this overseeing the mortgage sham bubble.

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    1. Re:Too bad by slick7 · · Score: 1

      Too bad there were not any judges like this overseeing the mortgage sham bubble.

      Yeah, like Judge Roy Bean, the law west of the Pecos.

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    2. Re:Too bad by Oligonicella · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bad example, IMO, I'd rather have the current judge. He's letting them hang themselves. Bean was simply a murderer with a posse. Hanged dozens of completely innocent people.

    3. Re:Too bad by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 3, Informative

      The wiki suggests you need to learn the difference between Hollywood and history: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Bean

    4. Re:Too bad by fustakrakich · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Are you kidding? The banks are a full on mafia operation, like the Borgias in the Vatican (original storyline for The Godfather), absolutely untouchable. Cross them, and you won't see the next sunrise. This guy is a flea, like Bernie Madoff.

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    5. Re: Too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      too bad the judge is going to have to keep his mouth shut during the trial.
      And the lawyers will make perfect sense to the morons that show up for jury duty.
      Of course there is no way the big mouth judge will be able to keep his mouth shut and if " Mr. Sham" plays his cards right will get a hefty salary increase as the poor CEO who fearlessly leads his company through a ten year appealls process.

    6. Re:Too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      ...learn the difference between Hollywood and history...

      Why should he? He's American!

    7. Re:Too bad by TheCarp · · Score: 2

      wow, what a piece of work. Truth is almost as insane and disgusting as the legend... when challeneged to a shooting match, the implication being over a woman, he wanted to make it a duel? Plus:

      Bean did not allow hung juries or appeals,[9] and jurors, who were chosen from his best bar customers, were expected to buy a drink during every court recess.[10] Bean was known for his unusual rulings. In one case, an Irishman named Paddy O'Rourke shot a Chinese laborer. A mob of 200 angry Irishmen surrounded the courtroom and threatened to lynch Bean if O'Rourke was not freed. After looking through his law book, Bean ruled that "homicide was the killing of a human being; however, he could find no law against killing a Chinaman".[9] Bean dismissed the case.[9]

      No hung juries or appeals? And jurors were customers of his? Sounds legit. At least that Chinaman comment can be said to have been a statement made under duress with a mob of 200 angry men at his door; I could see that being quite a motivator to get creative.

      Oh then he moves his saloon, can't attract business and the claim is that a competitor laced his whisky with kerosene? Seems an odd sort of thing to not prosecute, destruction of property and all.

      Then he moves again....

      O'Rourke, the Irishman Bean had previously acquitted, told Bean to use the railroad right-of-way, which was not covered by the contract. For the next 20 years, Bean squatted on land he had no legal right to claim

      a picture is emerging for me here...

      Langtry did not have a jail, so all cases were settled by fines. Bean refused to send the state any part of the fines, but instead kept all of the money. In most cases, the fines were made for the exact amount in the accused's pockets...... He continued to be elected until 1896. Even after that defeat, he "refused to surrender his seal and law book and continued to try all cases north of the tracks".

      ... of a raging narcisist.

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      "I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
    8. Re:Too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why was this flamebait modded up???

    9. Re:Too bad by dywolf · · Score: 1

      that's not hte original story for the godfather.

      The Godfather is a movie, based on a book, based on another movie.

      "Paramount Pictures released the film The Brotherhood starring Kirk Douglas as a mafia don. While it was a financial flop, Paramount's production chief Robert Evans commissioned Mario Puzo to finish a novel with similar themes and plot elements, and bought the screen rights. Directed by Francis Ford Coppola, The Godfather became a huge success [...]"

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  2. Wish I could buy that judge a beer by PerformanceDude · · Score: 5, Interesting

    William Alsup deserves a medal for finally pushing those trolls a little. Too long have they been getting away with venue shopping and the abusive use of threats to sue. Time to sit back and watch the fireworks...

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    1. Re:Wish I could buy that judge a beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      William Alsup deserves a medal for finally pushing those trolls a little. Too long have they been getting away with venue shopping and the abusive use of threats to sue. Time to sit back and watch the fireworks...

      When this becomes the de facto standard on manhandling shell company tactics like this in a courtroom, complete with prior case law to ensure it, then I'll break out the bubbly.

      Until then, don't even consider this to garner the masses attention span for longer than the usual 17 seconds they give it. And we will still watch multi-billionaires get away with financial murder, laughing all the way to the bank with their government subsidized too-big-to-fail bonus checks, not giving two fucks about anyone they leave in their wake.

    2. Re:Wish I could buy that judge a beer by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      However consider if you were on the Jury. Would you want to stick around another week or month to listen to this stuff, without being paid, just so that the judge can teach the guy a lesson?

    3. Re:Wish I could buy that judge a beer by kenshin33 · · Score: 4, Informative

      yes, where de I signe ?

    4. Re:Wish I could buy that judge a beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you're going to be on a jury, you might as well get to do some justice.

    5. Re:Wish I could buy that judge a beer by shentino · · Score: 2

      If you DID want to, would you even make it past voir dire?

    6. Re:Wish I could buy that judge a beer by Zynder · · Score: 4, Funny

      yes, where de I signe ?

      Did you happen to visit a loveli lake in Sweden circa 1975 and do you have a brother?

    7. Re:Wish I could buy that judge a beer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... mind you, mööse bit Karyn hard...

    8. Re:Wish I could buy that judge a beer by DigitalSorceress · · Score: 1

      Considering how important this is, YES!I would listen, openly and honestly, then vote to hang the guy. :P

      Seriously though, I'd serve on that jury gladly and do my best to be fair and decide based on issues of law and evidence presented, not my own preconceptions.

      Of course, it's easy for me to say - I'm a geek, this is important, and my company has a pretty good jury duty policy.

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      The Digital Sorceress
    9. Re:Wish I could buy that judge a beer by QuadPro · · Score: 2

      No, but a moose once bit my sister...

    10. Re:Wish I could buy that judge a beer by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      However the choice is the jury really has is not that important, a jury deciding against the patent troll ultimately gives the same result as having the judge dismiss the case. The only reason the judge appears to be doing this is to get more statements on the record that could be used as evidence in an appeal.

    11. Re:Wish I could buy that judge a beer by kenshin33 · · Score: 1

      no why?
      But from a link from a link in TFA : make trolls pay http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/05/opinion/make-patent-trolls-pay-in-court.html?smid=pl-share&_r=1& . "This particular judge is trying to do it" would be a fair assumption
      Unfortunately I can not be in a jury like this one : I'm not a US citizen. I'm Canadian and if there is ever something like this her I'd ask the same question and I'd be happy to.

    12. Re:Wish I could buy that judge a beer by Zynder · · Score: 1

      Oh I was just curious if you had gotten bitten by a moose. I've heard those bites can be quite nasti. I had heard of a Swedish guy whose seester had been bitten by a moose and by the way your post was typed, you sounded Swedish.
      .
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      Ok guy....I can't do it anymore....
      bwahahahahahahhahahahaha
      It was a Monty Python joke. You earned that whooosh :D

    13. Re:Wish I could buy that judge a beer by kenshin33 · · Score: 1

      I was expecting it :)
      (I don't know anything about Monty Python)

  3. Go Judge by DarkKnightRadick · · Score: 0

    People need to hear how these people do business. I imagine the jury will have no problem not awarding this patent troll anything. I wish cases like this were on CourtTV instead of stuff like the People's Court, Divorce Court, and Judge Judy.

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    1. Re:Go Judge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, at the end of the day, the judge will instruct the jury in the relevant law. He'll let the jury know that these people are trolling asshats, but that what they are doing is legal and that they have to follow the law. They will win something. It won't be huge though because the jury will have been turned against the troll. The troll will then appeal based on, "but the judge tainted the jury". And they will win their appeal. Because at the end of the day, just because they are scum, doesn't mean they are doing anything illegal.

    2. Re:Go Judge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      I imagine the jury will have no problem not awarding this patent troll anything.

      Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.

    3. Re:Go Judge by saleenS281 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, it isn't. Filing a patent infringement lawsuit on a patent you don't own is very much not legal, which is why they tried so hard to hide that fact. So no, they likely won't get money. And the lawyer representing NPS will be lucky if he isn't disbarred.

    4. Re:Go Judge by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      But the judge can also tell the jury the reason for explaining Mr. Sham is for them to determine if NPS really has "an ongoing concern" in the Eastern District of Texas.

      If not, then the case is closed - the court has no jurisdiction as NPS is not properly located there.

      The jury has to make the decision to see if the case is even valid.

    5. Re:Go Judge by billstewart · · Score: 1

      It's going to be awfully tough for the judge not to punctuate his instructions to the jury with the occasional "Bwahahahah!", because the patent trolls are so far over the line they're going to get stomped.

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    6. Re:Go Judge by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3

      And the lawyer representing NPS will be lucky if he isn't disbarred.

      I like the world you describe and would like to know how to get there. :)

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    7. Re:Go Judge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Enter through the wardrobe.

    8. Re:Go Judge by Theaetetus · · Score: 2

      Actually, it isn't. Filing a patent infringement lawsuit on a patent you don't own is very much not legal, which is why they tried so hard to hide that fact. So no, they likely won't get money. And the lawyer representing NPS will be lucky if he isn't disbarred.

      If you read the judge's order, the ownership issue isn't so cut and dried, which is why he denied Fortinet's motion to dismiss for lack of standing.

      Specifically, MPH signed a contract assigning the patent to NPS on day X. NPS filed suit on day Y. NPS signed the contract on day Z. Under Texas contract law, the contract need not be signed by NPS if there's mutual assent of the parties. This is actually a common provision - in many states, contracts only need to be signed by the person the contract is going to be enforced against. So, for example, if MPH wasn't going to enforce the contract against NPS ("take my property or I'll sue you to force you to take my property"?), then it didn't need a signature. Anyways, in Texas, that mutual assent can be shown by conduct of the parties, including NPS filing suit on day Y.

      In other words, if the jury looks at the contract and determines that both MPH and NPS believed that, as of day Y, NPS owned the patent, then NPS did own the patent on that day, and there's no lack of standing.

      And as long as that argument exists (and frankly, it's not a bad argument, because who can reasonably believe that an internal transfer from a company to a shell company didn't have assent of both companies?), then the lawyer can't possibly be disbarred for it.

    9. Re:Go Judge by saleenS281 · · Score: 1

      See: Prenda Law. California judges have been laying the smack down on patent trolls recently.

    10. Re:Go Judge by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      See: Prenda Law.

      That's a good one. Is it not the exception that proves the rule?

      California judges have been laying the smack down on patent trolls recently.

      Are there others?

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    11. Re:Go Judge by saleenS281 · · Score: 1

      Yes, this very judge and Oracle. I assume you've got examples of the California judges catering to patent trolls since you seem to think my response is preposterous. I'd hate to think you'd be calling me out without so much as a lick of evidence to prove your contrarian viewpoint. That would just make you an asshat.

    12. Re:Go Judge by balbus000 · · Score: 0

      The directions are in his newsletter, would you like to subscribe?

  4. We've heard from Judge Alsup before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    He was also the trial judge in Oracle v. Google.

    I think I like the guy.

    1. Re:We've heard from Judge Alsup before by sconeu · · Score: 5, Informative

      He's the guy who pointed out the he could write rangeCheck, and that he'd have written it identically.

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    2. Re:We've heard from Judge Alsup before by RCL · · Score: 2

      I imagine he might be reading slashdot and enjoying all this =)

    3. Re:We've heard from Judge Alsup before by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I hope once this trial concludes we can get an Ask Slashdot with him.

  5. Lessons learned. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... when all it really had was a rented file-cabinet room and the 'director' was actually the building landlord ...

    Don't cheap out on the props for your cover story.

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    It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
  6. Mr Sham was signing the documents by themushroom · · Score: 3, Funny

    because Miss Swindle was stuck in meetings.

    1. Re:Mr Sham was signing the documents by steelfood · · Score: 1

      And Mrs. Sham was out shopping with friends.

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      "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be."
    2. Re:Mr Sham was signing the documents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      why in the fuck is this drivel at +3

    3. Re:Mr Sham was signing the documents by Fnord666 · · Score: 5, Funny

      And Mrs. Sham was out shopping with friends.

      Really? Mrs. Sham? Wow.

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      'The tyrant will always find pretext for his tyranny.' - Aesop's Fables
    4. Re:Mr Sham was signing the documents by mcgrew · · Score: 0, Troll

      Because it's funny, moron. Go back to 4chan.

    5. Re:Mr Sham was signing the documents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Made in Germany, you know the germans always make good stuff!

    6. Re:Mr Sham was signing the documents by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Really? Mrs. Sham? Wow.

      Vince has a wife?

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      General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
    7. Re:Mr Sham was signing the documents by 91degrees · · Score: 3, Funny

      And in a twist, it turns out that Mr. Sham and Miss. Swindle were in fact the names of legitimate business partners in "Patent Trolls" - a legitimate trading name for a division dealing with IP licencing for fishing equipment - and were based in Phony house, Fake Steet, Scamton, TX.

    8. Re:Mr Sham was signing the documents by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Mod me down some more, stupid 4channers. God damned mod bombing sons of bitches, you idiots can't hurt my karma. Mod away, imbeciles. And when you fail, GET THE FUCK OFF SLASHDOT AND GO BACK TO YOUR GARBAGE DUMP (the one under your bridge). Dickweeds.

      Yes, I'm drunk and pissed off at you fucking retards. Flamebait? Troll? Fuck off. 4channers suck, I hate all you asshole 4channers.

      Yes, this comment is flamebait. Well, no, your modding a good comment down baited my flames. Slashdot editors, please stop giving mod points to 4chan idiots. They do not belong at slashdot. Those assholes ran me off from kuro5hin, look where it is now. Please don't let those assholes ruin my slashdot like they did K5!

    9. Re:Mr Sham was signing the documents by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      I take it your only dictionary is the 4chan dictionary? How do you morons spell "Idiot"?

      Yes, I'm pissed about the mod bombing, even though you 4chan morons can't hurt me. All you can do is annoy me, and then only when I'm drunk and don't have any weed.

      I was going to post another chapter but since I'm drunk I'm posting an anti-4chan JE. REAL slashdotters, help me out here. How can we rid slashtot of the 4chan trolls? They got mod points today. What pisses me off is I haven't had any in a year, but the uneducated idiots have plenty.

    10. Re:Mr Sham was signing the documents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn.. you are a fag

  7. Anyone find the audio by bogaboga · · Score: 1

    I would like to listen to the audio. It must be very interesting. Anyone has a link?

  8. I don't remember what else... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But he's been in other tech cases recently besides these two as well.

  9. Mr. Sham is called to the stand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    For the record, please state your name. "Sam T. Sham". Now, Mr. Sham, can you explain why you signed those documents? Yes, your honor A " Wooly Bully made me do it".

  10. Is this Judge Judy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because she's the only Judge that I've heard about that understands logic. Well done good sir, I tip my hat and bid you good day.

    1. Re:Is this Judge Judy? by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm guessing that the reason you think she understands logic is because you've only heard about her, rather than having actually heard her. She is a straight moron who jumps to conclusions based on zero facts and then uses them to form psuedo-logical conclusions based upon pure rationalizations. I have never seen a more ridiculous person who could best be described as a bad caricature of herself in all my life.

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    2. Re:Is this Judge Judy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're right, that show typically plays when the working class is at work so it's not something I would willingly go out of my way to watch on a day off. But nevertheless, Judge William Alsup needs to keep doing what he's doing because he's becoming a legend already and we need legends in the battle against software patents and patent trolls.

    3. Re:Is this Judge Judy? by retchdog · · Score: 5, Informative

      She's not a "Judge," or at least not any more. She's an arbiter/celebrity. The "trials" on that show aren't real trials, they're arbitration with a contractual agreement not to pursue further arbitration elsewhere.

      And, yes, she can be extremely biased and unprofessional. It's easy to do when you stack the "docket" with the worst human scum you can find.

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    4. Re:Is this Judge Judy? by garyoa1 · · Score: 1

      I second that emotion.

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  11. /mourn Groklaw by MrDoh! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's cases like this that make me miss Groklaw even more. They'd have someone there in the court to report on all this, and explain the legal shenanigans going on, with links to prior cases of the people involved trying the same thing, and probably how Microsoft is funding them!

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    1. Re:/mourn Groklaw by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Make up your mind Mr. Sham. Are you Mr. Doh or Miss Groklaw?

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      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    2. Re:/mourn Groklaw by Cassini2 · · Score: 1

      Does anyone know what happened to the effort to modernize / replace groklaw? In order to overcome PJ's concerns?

    3. Re:/mourn Groklaw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and so the AC bs continues. You are probably one of the potty mouths that got spanked.

    4. Re:/mourn Groklaw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nope just someone that has already modded comments and didn't want to invalidate my mod points. I miss Groklaw too, but what it was, not what it became.

    5. Re:/mourn Groklaw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Groklaw was always filled with opinions. In the beginning it was simple because everyone hated MS and there proxies. But when Apple showed its true colors, that's when things got messy. People love for the products overrode their disdain for Apples douche-bag corporate behavior and for some it didn't.

    6. Re:/mourn Groklaw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What were her concerns? That the NSA had info that was posted on GrokLaw? If that's the stated reason, I'm calling bullshit. It's fucking OSINT at that point.

    7. Re:/mourn Groklaw by redneckmother · · Score: 1

      It's cases like this that make me miss Groklaw even more. They'd have someone there in the court to report on all this, and explain the legal shenanigans going on, with links to prior cases of the people involved trying the same thing, and probably how Microsoft is funding them!

      My Kingdom for mod points! (not saying that that I actually HAVE a Kingdom).

    8. Re:/mourn Groklaw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was about to post the same thing, how I miss PJ.

    9. Re:/mourn Groklaw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Groklaw started off well, but ultimately they turned into something they were supposedly against. It became so that everything they wrote was laced with bias, conspiracy theories and opinion rather than just commenting on the facts and merits of the cases.

      What an inconveniently large consignment of bovine excrement.

    10. Re:/mourn Groklaw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, the concern was that NSA was reading private e-mail that was not posted and was not public in any way.

    11. Re:/mourn Groklaw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, the concern was that NSA was reading private e-mail that was not posted and was not public in any way.

      How does that concern keep one from running a blog?

      If I was 100% certain I was being actively investigated by the feds, I would still run a blog.
      If I was 100% certain I was not being actively investigated but my communications could possibly wind up collected by some state's intelligence operations, well why should I give a fuck? I would still run the blog.

      I've got plenty to hide, just nothing a state would have any concern about. I'm not violating any federal laws, and If I was, the issue is with the laws.. and enforcement of them. There's nothing you can do to keep other people from knowing things, for example, the second party to your communications could volunteer everything to a third party and there is no general legal protection for that.
      Knowing things... isn't a crime or injustice, and that goes waaaaaaaay beyond intelligence gathering.

    12. Re:/mourn Groklaw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is pretty much the problem. Once she realized the extent of the NSA spying regime, she decided she was too traumatized to continue (likening it to a burglary she had previously experienced, where she felt that all her possessions had been tainted) and ran away from it all.

      On the one hand, you could call her a coward, on the other hand, you could say that she was too emotionally fragile to continue. Either conclusion is pretty sad.

    13. Re:/mourn Groklaw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given the topics the blog covered and some of the things she posted, I assume she got a fair bit of inside info she can't/doesn't publish. Not wanting to expose those kind of sources is perfectly reasonable to me.

    14. Re:/mourn Groklaw by MickLinux · · Score: 1

      In that case, SHE has standing against the NSA. *SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE WHO REGULARLY USED GROKLAW, ESPECIALLY PROFESSIONALLY*, or am I wrong? Weren't we all concerned that there was nobody who the courts would determine had standing, who could sue the NSA for their abuses and continual violation of the US constitution?

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    15. Re:/mourn Groklaw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Groklaw was also a sham. I don't mean that in a bad way, but the person are persons behind it were hidden, just like the patent trolls in this case. For all we know, PJ could have been a lawyer working for a MS competitor. The writing was good and very interesting. I'm sad to see it going, but it's important to keep in mind the source of that writing was a hidden and probably for a reason.

    16. Re:/mourn Groklaw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Groklaw was also a sham. I don't mean that in a bad way, but the person are persons behind it were hidden, just like the patent trolls in this case. For all we know, PJ could have been a lawyer working for a MS competitor. The writing was good and very interesting. I'm sad to see it going, but it's important to keep in mind the source of that writing was a hidden and probably for a reason.

      I'm going to show you why your comment is ridiculous.

      1. Groklaw was run by two people, both named, Pamela Jones and Mark Webbink, Esq.
      Even if your theory was that Pamela Jones isn't her real name, although people who know her have already stated that it is and that they have met her, including Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols and Andrew Tridgell, Webbink is a known person. Webbink obviously knows her too. So one prong of your smear is silly.

      2. Webbink is a lawyer but he's known as to where he works. He doesn't work for any
      corporation or company now. He's a professor now and head of the Peer-to-Patent project. So
      there goes prong 2 of your smear.

      3. Jones received death threats. Some were even posted in comments on her site. She was also
      hounded by folks who turned out to actually be working for folks like Microsoft, such as Florian Mueller. SCO tried to track her down with detectives. In such a situation, she'd be an idiot to publish her home address or any identifying info that would help malicious individuals find her. What if she has kids, and they open the door? Seriously. She had good reason to avoid that. That is all you don't know about her. And you don't need that to enjoy the site. So your pretense that she must have some deep and hidden motive is silly. She had an obvious motive. She didn't want to die, or endanger her family, or get sued by people trying to find her to do her harm. SCO is dangerous.

      4. You are posting anonymously. You should immediately post your home address and your name. Put your money where your mouth is.

      5. Speaking of journalists, where does your favorite journalist live? Do you actually care? Do they normally post that? They instead are reached at their work address, like at the NY Times or ZDNet or wherever. But bloggers are reachable in their homes. That is why the advice to bloggers is to not make it too easy for looneybirds to find them.

  12. Should have dismissed by Poisonous+Drool · · Score: 2

    If you were paying the legal bills (easily more than $20k per month and $100-200k for the actual trial), you really want bogus claims or the entire lawsuit dismissed. Even if you win, you probably won't recover your legal fees and nothing for your time. I've been there.

    1. Re:Should have dismissed by roc97007 · · Score: 2

      If you were paying the legal bills (easily more than $20k per month and $100-200k for the actual trial), you really want bogus claims or the entire lawsuit dismissed. Even if you win, you probably won't recover your legal fees and nothing for your time. I've been there.

      This is true, but... IANAL.... if the trial goes through and the defendant wins, doesn't that help set a precedent?

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    2. Re:Should have dismissed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you were paying the legal bills (easily more than $20k per month and $100-200k for the actual trial), you really want bogus claims or the entire lawsuit dismissed. Even if you win, you probably won't recover your legal fees and nothing for your time. I've been there.

      You really think that this judge, in this case, isn't going to award court costs and attorney's fees to the defendant if (when?) the case is settled in the defendant's favor?

      That, and the precedent, will be fucking priceless.

    3. Re:Should have dismissed by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      Precedents only count when they are in favor of the side with money. In most cases the poor sap getting sued doesn't have any access to prior cases and will just settle via mail to avoid the scary court time. It's ironic that it doesn't matter if they lose every case, that they are still very profitable. These guys ruin their law careers but likely make tens of millions in the process. You may call this case "when the troll finally gets his" but he likely sees it as "time to cash out"

    4. Re:Should have dismissed by belmolis · · Score: 1

      I suspect that the judge is pretty confident that they are going to lose and that in view of their extensive misconduct he will award costs to the plaintiff.

    5. Re:Should have dismissed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The judge called NPS behaviour "litigation misconduct" and demanded that they explain why it is not to the jury. If they fail to explain or if they refuse to explain then the case will be decided as misconduct on their own actions. If it was dismissed these asshats and their lawyers would have another chance against someone else somewhere else, if the case is shown to be based on misconduct then this company and it's lawyers will be facing a much harder time in every other court action. If I was one of the owners of Fortinet I would be laughing my ass off while paying our lawyers to show up and watch Aslup and the jury rip NPS into tiny little pieces. If there is proof of litigation misconduct then Fortinet will not only win but they can get legal costs and the lawyers for NPS can face disciplinary action at the bar for their part in the sham.

    6. Re:Should have dismissed by muridae · · Score: 1

      BZZZT WRONG!

      Precedent is only set at the appeal level, not after the initial trial. So, if the troll wins the first trial, then loses on the appeal, precedent against patent trolls would be set. If the troll loses now, and continues to lose every appeal, there would still be no precedent. It is only set when a verdict is overturned.

      Not to say that the ruling can't be cited and referenced in other court cases, but just that it does not become binding like a precedent is. And besides, a precedent is only binding in the area that the appellate court covers. So if this got overturned at a state level, the precedent would only be binding there and could just be a reference for other cases depending on how the judge wrote the ruling.

    7. Re:Should have dismissed by anagama · · Score: 1

      BZZZT CLOSE!

      If the troll loses now, and continues to lose every appeal, there would still be no precedent. It is only set when a verdict is overturned.

      A precedent at the appellate level can be set when a trial court's decision is affirmed. What is of most importance are the legal issues that form the basis of the appeal. This case appears to have the potential to be a significant decision on venue no matter who wins at the trial court level, providing of course there is an appeal of the venue decision.

      In any event, the story is kind of confusing -- I'm having trouble seeing it as a great victory because instead of being dismissed, the case is still alive and the troll gets to go to a jury (i.e., vegas). Who knows how the jury will view the texas filing-cabinet office. Anyone remember that guy who lied to get on the Apple/Samsung jury? Yeah, they could get that kind of jury, and then who's laughing?

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    8. Re:Should have dismissed by muridae · · Score: 1

      my law knowledge only goes so far, and is mostly for contracts involved in photography. But, even though this case is at an appellate level court, it's still not an appeal case, just a case that the local court said 'forget it, you do all the work'. Probably my brain just misread the section on precedent from 'must be from an appellate level' as 'must be from an overturned appeal'. which is completely possible. I was reading only for contracts and right of publicity (limited areas affected because of certain appeal precedents). Also the reason that the only legal work I do for myself is printing up model release contracts and keeping up on what is 'fair value' for a valid photography contract (copy of some shots for the model's folio, a few dollars, even just a fast food lunch in some places). I won't pretend to be a lawyer, just a geek with enough knowledge to be dangerous. Anything bigger gets a real hired gun.

      As for why the case is still alive, I think the judge wants to give them room to appeal, and also have enough in court records to keep the appeal from being overturned. By not dismissing, he'll have put enough evidence into record to make an appeal on venue suicidal (dismissed by a judge before a jury sees it for the whole "yeah, we hired a closet and paid someone to fake a signature of a not real entity" part) while also leaving just enough room to appeal the ruling, but with enough "see how we sued before we even owned the patent!" to make most jurists cringe.

    9. Re:Should have dismissed by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Thanks. This is why I am not a lawyer. So instead of precedent, I should have said, if the troll loses, doesn't that create a ruling that can be cited and referenced in other court cases? I'm looking for a reason why the decision was made to continue with the trial, when the troll has suffered a major (and deserved) setback.

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  13. District of Eastern Texas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Not sure if this is widely know, but the Eastern District of Texas is horribly corrupt. All the patent trolls have an "office" there so they can sue everyone in that district. Why? Because the court system is infamously plaintiff friendly. Just about any bullshit argument you can make will fly. Doesn't matter if pretty much all cases get overturned on appeal, the plaintiffs get what they wanted: costing the defendants lots of money, forcing most all to settle. And the district gets what they wanted: lots of lawyers and experts flying in to the small towns pumping up the local economy. Those laws congress is mulling over can't get passed fast enough.

    1. Re:District of Eastern Texas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      From what I understand, its a popular district because its one of the least overloaded district courts. Cases that elsewhere would take years can go through Eastern Texas under a year. That way, trolls can go onto their next target quicker, and with a court ruling in their favor (if it happens), other companies give up quicker. However, from the actual rulings, it seems like a patent troll case is as likely to win there as anywhere else.

      Now if you want a corrupt court system, check out the circuit court of northern Mississippi. That area became well known from the Phen-Fen case, even though the primary evidence was found to be fake. Problem there is everybody is related to everybody else or their neighbors, so its easy for a litigant to get a friendly jury.

    2. Re:District of Eastern Texas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The success rate of patent trolls in East Texas is the same as elsewhere, but lets not let that fact stand in the way a good anti-Texas comment.

  14. As good as this news feels by harperska · · Score: 1

    it is kind of absurdly low hanging fruit. When we get a case with a judge laying the smack down on a patent troll firm abusing actual patents they own, that is run by actual lawyers with a real office, then we will have news.

  15. WHY? by Zynder · · Score: 1
    Why did you do that? Why did you give that "guy" a link. He's obviously a CAT!

    Anyone has a link?

    Mark my words, he'll come back around here asking for cheezburgers any minute now. DO NOT FEED STRAYS!

  16. Plead the 5th? by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

    Plead the 5th?

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    1. Re:Plead the 5th? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plead the 5th?

      The plaintiff?? That's enough to give me reasonable doubt... It's not on the jury to prove the plaintiff's claims.

  17. Sure. by ralphaostrander · · Score: 1

    I am the master of sham I polished my skills in the army where I had lots of sham points. I am the master of sham sir sham alot. How else do you think you get to be top, Invent shampoo or something.

  18. unless he made the plaintiff post bond, no money by raymorris · · Score: 2

    That's one reason for the shell companies that patent trolls use. The company that filed suit probably has no money. A ruling that they have to pay the defendant's costs is worthless. That is unless the judge had them put up a bond for that possibility when the case began.

  19. yet East Texas refused to hear this case by raymorris · · Score: 4, Interesting

    And yet, it seems even east Texas is getting tired of seeing these same patent trolls in their courts every week.

  20. But it *is* news. by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

    The news is, that patent trolls will have to invest in real offices with real people staffing them. Not only that, but the chances that even if they have a sham company set up to protect them from getting hurt if it explodes in their face, they may still be found liable for the damages of the party they sued. If it's obviously a sham company set up for just such a case, I doubt any judge or jury will let it fly and give the actual trolls a break.

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  21. And has the IRS got in on the act? by Bruce66423 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the landlord was acting as the employee of the company, then the company should be paying social security payments on his earnings, and his rent includes pay as an employee. It's an approach that worked against Al Capone...

  22. Give them the Mongol treatment by oldhack · · Score: 2

    Ghengis Khan is said to have said: it's not enough that we win, they must lose. Seems the only way to deal with patent trolls.

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    1. Re:Give them the Mongol treatment by devaudio · · Score: 1

      I thought Mother Theresa said that?

  23. Re:unless he made the plaintiff post bond, no mone by oobayly · · Score: 1

    That's an interesting idea - is requiring the plaintiff to post a bond common? Personally I'd be happy if it was a requirement - if you want to sue somebody you need to show that you can pay the costs if you lose.

  24. Rarely seen by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 1

    Rarely does a court decide that a company is a sham company. If this precedent were to take hold, then Google and Apple and Microsoft et al would be fucked since they have all kinds of sham companies set up in Ireland and and elsewhere to which they locate the profits from their American business activities. You can do almost anything and still not be called a "sham" corporation by a court so this must be a (good) judge who really has it in for patent trolls. May he be fruitful and multiply.

  25. rare, I believe by raymorris · · Score: 2

    I believe it's pretty rare. I'm not a lawyer, I just play one in court. I believe it's just when there's a decent chance you'll be ordered to pay the defendant's costs, and due to using a shell company or some other reason the costs may not be paid as ordered.

    Consider this if a bond were required for all suits.
    If a bond costs 10% of the face amount, and General Motors can claim they spent $10 million defending a lawsuit related to faulty brakes, that would be an extra $1 million cost before you're allowed to sue if your brakes fail and you're horribly injured. I wouldn't want the victims to have to pay an extra million before they can sue. In every case, the plaintiff is claiming they're a victim of something the plaintiff did, and most often it's true.

    1. Re:rare, I believe by gbjbaanb · · Score: 1

      its becoming more common for these "baseless" (my opinion) claims. Look at Prenda Law and the bonds they're being asked to stump up - strangely they want to drop the cases the moment the bonds are set but the judges are not letting them.

      The bonds in the Prenda cases are of the order of $10,000, not millions and appear to be awarded only in these extreme cases where it doesn't appear that there is a 'real' plaintiff.

    2. Re:rare, I believe by oobayly · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I should have clarified that - "sue somebody for patent infringement", I'd already considered your GM type situation.

  26. Prenda, yes, but that's 0.00001% by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Prenda and eleven other assholes file a lot of baseless claims, so yeah we're seeing it in those cases. Prenda isn't common, though. On the day Prenda filed their latest baseless suit, thousands of ordinary Americans sued the guy who ran into them, felled a tree onto their house etc.

  27. Re:unless he made the plaintiff post bond, no mone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Posting as AC because this is an ongoing case...
    I'm being threatened by the shell company of an enormously well funded patent troll, Acacia Technologies. I asked my lawyer about this very idea - getting a judge to force the troll's shell company (Treehouse Avatar Technologies) to put up a bond. He said that he's never heard of such a thing. (And his entire practice is IP work.) This is the reason that suits are usually brought by shell companies that own nothing more than the one patent.

  28. I miss Groklaw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really do miss the insight into the legal world.

  29. William Alsup for Supreme Court by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally, a judge with common sense.

  30. agreed only because that's the snakeoil today by raymorris · · Score: 1

    That could work. I could see some reasonably tough restrictions on patent suits for the next 5-10 years , long enough for the crooks to get out of that business.

    I laugh at the "ban patents" or "ban patents that can involve software" people because by their logic, they would have banned medicine in the 1880s because there were snake oil salesman.