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Saudi Cleric Pummeled On Twitter For Claiming Driving Damages Women's Ovaries

An anonymous reader writes "CNN reports, "Sheikh Saleh Al-Loheidan's widely derided remarks have gone viral ... 'If a woman drives a car,' Al-Loheidan told Saudi news website sabq.org. 'it could have a negative physiological impact. It would automatically affect a woman's ovaries and that it pushes the pelvis upward.' ... 'We find that for women who continuously drive cars, their children are born with varying degrees of clinical problems.' The controversial comments were widely interpreted throughout Saudi Arabia as an attempt to discourage women in the country from joining a popular online movement urging them to stage a demonstration by driving cars on October 26. 'This is his answer to the campaign,' Saudi women's rights activist Aziza Yousef told CNN. 'He's making a fool of himself. He shouldn't touch this field at all.' Al-Loheidan's words have been ridiculed mercilessly via social media. An Arabic Twitter hashtag called '#WomensDrivingAffectsOvariesAndPelvises' was quickly created to make fun of Al-Loheidan — underscoring just how widely the call for Saudi women to defy the driving ban has resonated thus far. And while numerous conservative voices have supported Al-Loheidan, many Saudis believe this was an extremely clumsy way of trying to counter the popularity of the October 26 campaign.'"

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  1. Where to start with this one...? by Ragnarok89 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And driving is bad as opposed to sitting when: reading? eating? watching TV? listening to the radio? any of the other myriad of activities done while seated? What an idiot.

    1. Re:Where to start with this one...? by MetalliQaZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't forget the obvious: RIDING in the car, but not driving it, is apparently fine for the ovaries.
      Try and wrap your head around that!

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    2. Re:Where to start with this one...? by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Informative

      well.. the saudi cleric would probably comment that standing next to the stove is the only safe place for women.

      why he bothered with such a lie I got no idea. maybe he thought he was talking to some 4 year old kids or something... definitely sounds like a guy who's surrounded by extremely "yes" men.

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    3. Re:Where to start with this one...? by Atzanteol · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sitting is always bad. She should be doing housework and caring for her husband and 20 kids!

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    4. Re:Where to start with this one...? by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yes the heat from the stove helps to keep the ovaries supple and healthy!

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    5. Re:Where to start with this one...? by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 5, Interesting

      He must be a liberal democrat!

      His unscientific view of women's anatomy more closely resembles that of Republican Todd Akin, who claimed women have magic body parts that prevent conception when "legitimately" raped.

    6. Re:Where to start with this one...? by ninlilizi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And its not dangerous at all for testicles.
      Even though they're sat on, bounced around on. etc.

    7. Re:Where to start with this one...? by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Funny

      My genitals are always HUGE when I'm driving my car.

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    8. Re:Where to start with this one...? by msmonroe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My genitals are always HUGE when I'm driving my car.

      Love this...the more we talk about Huge genitals the better!

    9. Re:Where to start with this one...? by jandrese · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's like rape. A woman's body knows and just shuts down when she's driving a car.

      As crazy as this sounds, it's not too far off from what some ultraconservatives apparently believe.

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    10. Re:Where to start with this one...? by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I'm pretty sure he wasn't the only republican to agree with that philosophy.

      Well, considering the backlash that former Rep Akin received from the Republican Party after making his ridiculous commentary, I'd say that Akin's in a small minority. His shockingly ignorant statements cost him his seat, so I'd say he paid a fair price.

      Around the time that he made his commentary, I tried to understand what would make him want to believe such a thing that made no sense. What I think it boils down to is a basic conundrum for pro-lifers: You can't ban abortion in any effective fashion if you make an exception to the ban for rape and incest, because if you do, women who are seeking abortions will simply lie about the circumstances of their pregnancies in order to obtain legal abortions. Allow those exceptions, and you haven't outlawed anything. In order to address this loophole, it is necessary to outlaw all abortion for any reason (except, perhaps, if the mother will die if the pregnancy continues), but this position of eliminating the rape/incest exception is unpalatable to the American public.

      Once you understand the issue from their perspective, it's easier to see how they could believe such a ridiculous notion, that a woman's body will somehow prevent a pregnancy from occurring if she is raped violently (for brevity, let's ignore the 'legitimate/forcible rape' issue). They need some way to close that loophole, and this is one such way to do it: a belief that if a pregnancy occurred, then she must not have been raped. If that bit of medical fiction were true, then we could know that the pregnancy was not the result of rape, so no exception would be granted.

      So that's why such a theory is so seductive to some, in my estimation.

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    11. Re:Where to start with this one...? by Jawnn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What an idiot.

      Now, now... At least he's not suggesting that humans herded dinosaurs sometime in the last 6,000 years, and is insisting that this fantasy be taught to all the children Texas public schools.
      Anyone who turns to a cleric, of any religion, for medical/scientific advice deserves everything that happens to him/her.

    12. Re: Where to start with this one...? by jd2112 · · Score: 4, Funny

      He's a graduate of the Todd Akin school of making up shit to to support your idealogoly.

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    13. Re:Where to start with this one...? by ibwolf · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or in other words; when reality and their believes are in conflict, it is reality that must have gotten it wrong. Yes, that sounds about right.

    14. Re:Where to start with this one...? by alexander_686 · · Score: 4, Informative

      That’s not quite the “ultra conservatives” position.

      The “Pro Life” (anti-abortionist) fall into 2 camps. The first wants to ban abortions expect for “rape, incest, or medical reasons. The second camp wants to ban all abortions for 2 reasons. If life begins at conception, then you can’t execute the fetus just because the father is a bad person. They view the first camp’s position as a dangerous concession. The second reason that the 2nd camp gives is that there are very few conceptions from forcible rape from a stranger – a.k.a. “real rape” – as opposed to date rape, drugged rape, etc.

      These arguments don’t carry any water with me but let’s try to get the oppositions position correct.

    15. Re:Where to start with this one...? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A fertilized zygote won't turn into a human being "by itself", either - it requires a host to actively sustain it. If your argument is that it's only a human being when it's self-sufficient, then you should be perfectly fine with early abortions. On the other hand, if that is not your criteria, then it is not at all clear what makes fertilized egg any different from unfertilized one - both merely have the potential to grow into a self-sufficient human being, but aren't one.

      Of course, in practice, your kind uses various logical fallacies to attempt to justify what is ultimately blind religious faith (ironically, a fairly recent one - Christians of old did not believe that soul was imparted at conception; in fact, there were oft-quoted Biblical passages to support the position that soul only came with the first breath).

    16. Re:Where to start with this one...? by drkim · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't forget the obvious: RIDING in the car, but not driving it, is apparently fine for the ovaries.
      Try and wrap your head around that!

      I'll just say this;

      Danica Patrick: 0 children.

      Coincidence?

      (Here is a picture of her, obviously lamenting her career choice.
      I urge you to look at this and think about her poor, poor abused reproductive system.)
      http://www.wallpaper4me.com/images/wallpapers/hotroddanicapatrick-690981.jpeg

  2. WaitWaitDon'tTellMe by LeadSongDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ..."In other news, a fatwah has been issued against tweeting."

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    1. Re:WaitWaitDon'tTellMe by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ..."In other news, a fatwah has been issued against tweeting."

      Yes, because getting "pummeled on Twitter" is really going to have an impact on this guy.

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  3. Fundamentalist Religions: Oppressing Women Forever by SpaceManFlip · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Since like forever, the old men who are afraid of their womens getting loose have used the Korans, Bibles, Talmuds, etc to control their womens.

    Fear and Freedom don't mix well. Let's all be a little more brave and learn to tell all the batshit religious crazies to fuck off. I don't care if they do raise hell and blow stuff up - eventually there won't be enough left of them to matter.

    Free your mind, and your ass will follow.

  4. you know... by buddyglass · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As crazy and wrong as this guy is, his claim isn't completely out of left field. One of my physics teachers in high school (who had worked as an engineer at Bell Helicopter) related the story that, apparently, some of the helicopters initially used in the Viet Nam conflict happened to vibrate at the resonant frequency of the human kidney, causing pilots to experience organ damage. They had to add material to the seats to cancel out the vibrations. Here's a page from the Canadian equivalent of the U.S.'s OSHA:

    http://www.ccohs.ca/oshanswers/phys_agents/vibration/vibration_intro.html

    1. Re:you know... by the_humeister · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except there's data to support that helicopter example. There's no data to support what this cleric just pulled out of his ass.

    2. Re:you know... by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As crazy and wrong as this guy is, his claim isn't completely out of left field.

      Wrong. His claim is completely out of left field because he just made this shit up. It's not without precedent, but that is a very different thing, not least because the assertion is that all automobiles will damage all ovaries.

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  5. Re:Brain damage by pesho · · Score: 4, Funny

    Women are not allowed to ride on camels. Camels are too precious for that. In fact women are supposed to carry the camel when it gets tired.

  6. Re:It is true by QilessQi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This. The Middle East has no monopoly on ridiculous ideas about female physiology. Some American politicians, pundits, and religious leaders are downright scary in this regard.

  7. Re:eh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    When you actually look at the demographics, the Tea Party crew are actually more educated than the average American. They aren't lacking in logical abilities, but the impression that they do comes from televised news, which in its frenzy for ever-more-senationalist stories to generate ad revenue likes to focus on the fringe that staple tea bags to their foreheads and carry around signs reading "GIT LARNED SUM ANGLISH FUR YALL COME TO DIS COUNTRY" (hint: the more mainstream Tea Party members concern themselves with economic issues like taxation, not so much immigration).

    This one Saudi cleric, however, is clearly on the fringe of even Saudi religious authority. So, you're right if you want to compare this guy to the kind of looney fringe of the Tea Party that you'll see on TV, but not if you want to compare him to the average Tea Party member.

  8. Re:Twitter is nerdy .... right? by Nyder · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is news for nerds because of Twitter! Twitter is all technical and stuff, with the computers and the social media buzz.

    Seriously, WTF? What's next? Baseball scores?

    Dude, it's football season.

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  9. Fundies by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 3, Funny

    Isn't it about time that this guy and Todd Akin just get a room, already, and make out.

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  10. Re:Self-driving cars by Captain+Hook · · Score: 4, Interesting

    of course not, because the issue is not really about driving it's about independance.

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  11. Correlation != Causation by RivenAleem · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You might be able to say that women who drive a car get damaged ovaries, but you missing the intermediate step where the woman is dragged from the car and beaten.

  12. Re:Fundamentalist Religions: Oppressing Women Fore by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If Sarah Silverman had said it, we would be laughing at her joke because that's a stupid thing to say.

  13. Re:Please come to my neighborhood by SJHillman · · Score: 3, Informative

    I've had numerous bad driving experience with:
    - Women in general
    - Asians
    - College students
    - Old people
    - Teenagers
    - Men in general
    - Animals
    - Bicyclists
    - Prius drivers
    - Lexus drivers
    - BMW drivers
    - Chevy drivers
    - And one helicopter on the Thruway

    It ain't just one demographic that makes driving a bad experience in general.

  14. Does Slashdot have to embrace this crap? by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is the Kardashian model of what makes news worthy. Any idiot saying or doing anything shocking to most of us becomes a media sensation. Just because it was on Twitter doesn't make it relevant to this audience. I'm hoping this trend of dumping crap here skimmed off TMZ headlines doesn't continue.

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  15. Women in Marathons by LinuxFreakus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Until not that long ago women were not supposed to run marathons either... because their uterus might fall out (among other stupid assertions).

  16. Re:It is true by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Informative

    Uh, whut?

    Akin didn't say that getting pregnances due to rape were uncommon. He said that rapes rarely result in pregnancy, because the female body has a way to "shut down" pregnancies in such circumstances.

    So no, there was never a germ of truth in what he said, especially as, for reasons yet to be explained, there is actually statistically a higher chance of getting pregnant if you've been raped than if you've had normal sex.

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  17. Re:eh... by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When you actually look at the demographics [nytimes.com], the Tea Party crew are actually more educated than the average American

    Let's make sure we know what educated means in this context: more degrees than a similar population of average Americans would have. To some extent, this matches my experience: tea partiers - or those who espouse the libertarian aspect of the Tea Party - have more money than average, and have at least a Bachelor Degree, if not a Master. No PhDs among the ones I know though.

    However, there's one area where they are spectacularly ignorant, to the point where I'm starting to think that there's some specific cognitive effect at work: they all think that they made it on their own in the world, think that Government should be run like a business and think that the purpose of Society is to make their life better. Keep in mind though that they the vast majority come from wealthy families, have businesses that fail, are full of cronies and family members, experience how shoddy and shady businesses can be, and live in one of the most stable environments in the world.

    Even the mainstream Tea Partiers that I know - or at least those who profess no ideological attachment, but pretty much recite Tea Party and Republican political platforms verbatim - indulge in a massive misunderstanding of how society operates, what the role of government is or even what made their own success possible. Top that off with a complete lack of understanding what the debt ceiling is (a badly set up part of the budget process), and even the "moderate" Tea Partiers can come across as complete lunatics. For my friends who are part of this group, I treat them like the crazy uncle - they're always welcome, but certain topics are forbidden, unless everyone consents to "lively" debates until 4 AM.

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  18. Re:You can't judge by jmhobrien · · Score: 5, Informative

    Perhaps you could enumerate these statements so that they can be chiseled onto stone tablets?

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  19. I stopped reading after the first sentence by Le+Marteau · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First sentence says "Saudi Cleric" claims something is so. Why would anyone with any sense read any further? What are you guys, masochists? Do you intentionally look for things to irritate you? Surely you were aware than nothing beneficial or insightful can follow in anything beginning with "Saudi Cleric claims..."

    Stop intentionally finding things to piss yourself off. You'll live a healthier, and probably longer, life.

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  20. Naturally by Arancaytar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Over the centuries, science has continually reaffirmed that women's health is severely impacted by such stressful activities as reading, writing, voting, driving, owning property, having a job, leaving the kitchen, or thinking.