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New Headphones Generate Sound With Carbon Nanotubes

MTorrice writes "A new type of headphone heats up carbon nanotubes to crank out tunes. The tiny speaker doesn't rely on moving parts and instead produces sound through the thermoacoustic effect. When an alternating current passes through the nanotubes, the material heats and cools the air around it; as the air warms, it expands, and as it cools, it contracts. This expansion and contraction creates sound waves. The new nanotube speaker could be manufactured at low cost in the same facilities used to make computer chips, the researchers say." And it exists in the real world: "The Tsinghua researchers integrated these thermoacoustic chips into a pair of earbud headphones and connected them to a computer to play music from videos and sound files. They’ve used the headphones to play music for about a year without significant signs of wear, Yang says. According to him, this is the first thermoacoustic device to be integrated with commercial electronics and used to play music."

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  1. Yes, but... by mellon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ..what do they sound like?

    1. Re:Yes, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      They're thermoacoustic, so I'd guess they have a nice warm sound.

    2. Re:Yes, but... by Bearhouse · · Score: 2

      Well, assuming they get the R&D effort to refine them, presumably whatever you like, at the appropriate price point.
      A fixable issue methinks, if the basic technology works, as it seems to.

      Could be nice way of sidestepping the Chinese and their "rare earth" near-monopoly.

      (Although my old electrostatic speakers do that too, and sound fantastic. Not sure the voltages involved would scale to ear buds powered by mobile devices, tho')

    3. Re:Yes, but... by PaulBu · · Score: 3, Informative

      Could be nice way of sidestepping the Chinese and their "rare earth" near-monopoly.

      Judging from the author's names and affiliation, I quite doubt that it was their main motivation... :)

      Yang Wei *, Xiaoyang Lin , Kaili Jiang *, Peng Liu , Qunqing Li , and Shoushan Fan
      Department of Physics and Tsinghua-Foxconn Nanotechnology Research Center, Tsinghua University, Beijing 100084, P. R. China

      But, it's still VERY COOL!

      Paul B.

    4. Re:Yes, but... by Bearhouse · · Score: 2

      Good point :) Ah well, the law of unintended consequences...

      Wonder how cool a thing that works by heat and cooling would be to wear in your ear, tho?

    5. Re:Yes, but... by jd · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It depends. Sound quality doesn't scale, generally, which is why standard speaker systems have vast arrays of speakers that operate over very narrow ranges. The sound quality using cones and magnets has gone as far as it can, short of moving to superconducting electromagnets.

      There were some speakers demo'd on Tomorrow's World, way back when, which consisted of an electrode in a spherical wire mesh. The spark, pulsed at the right frequency, could generate sound. It was extremely high quality, far far higher than the Tesla Coil speakers you see on YouTube. But nothing ever came of the idea. Still not entirely sure why, but I suspect large amounts of ozone and the power you'd need to cross the gap they were using would make such a device uneconomic.

      The nanotube idea is interesting, but I have a real concern that technology these days isn't about quality but quantity. Notice how the summary emphasizes the production of the system, but also observe how DVD lifespans are pathetic, hard drives have much shorter MTBF than earlier generations, MP3s largely replaced lossless codecs, digital cameras have a fraction of the effective pixel count of film, etc. Nobody wants high-end. They want crap that's tolerable and affordable. (Which also explains why Windows is a "success" and Linux has never made it to the desktop -- yet is the only serious OS in the few luxury/demanding markets left.)

      It could be that nanotubes will prove to be capable of high-end sound, REAL hi-fi sound, but let's face facts. Even if it was, even given that the technology exists for 11.1 sound with an upper operating limit of 384 KHz at 24 bits, when was the last time you saw a CD with music recorded at that level? People want more tracks per piece of physical medium and would probably settle for 16 KHz at 16 bits resolution if it gave them a few more bonus tracks. There are audiophiles out there. I know. I'm one of them. Although, sometimes I think I'm the only one left. That depresses me, but you have to wonder. Purported audiophiles who can't tell what gives good sound and what doesn't clearly aren't audiophiles at all, they're blingophiles.

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    6. Re:Yes, but... by HornWumpus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You might be thinking of plasma tweeters. Back in the late 70s/early 80s. 10K1980$ a pair. Just tweets.

      They had a gas flame that was made to generate sound with an electric field. Note: Typical electrostatics already have membranes that weigh less then the air they're moving.

      Your dog _might_ be able to distinguish between plasma and normal electrostatics. Not that electrostatics are exactly cheap or small.

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    7. Re:Yes, but... by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm willing to bet they have very similar performance to Electrostatic speakers. Very low distortion, acting like a dipole radiator so you have to spend a lot of time positioning them to get them to sound right, very good dampening due to low driver weight. I'd suspect these things have near perfect dampening since all they're moving is a magnetic field and air.

      There are a lot of downsides though, and I think they'd all apply here as well. Most notably, terrible bass response. And the number 1 problem in sound reproduction is and has always been bass. This is basically yet another new and inovative way to reproduce high frequencies. We have hundreds... yay...

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrostatic_loudspeaker#Disadvantages

    8. Re:Yes, but... by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 2

      Also, to add to the other person already talking about electrostats, magnetic speaker development isn't dead by far. You don't need rare earth magnets for "living room size" speakers and you also don't need cones. In the past, experiments have been done with using flat carbon fiber honey combed round "plates" that were attached with a very light and solid construction to the voice coil of a speaker. Those took out a lot of the distortion and deformation you typically get with a classical cone speaker. Development in what is used as a "membrane" and active feedback control using a DSP to counteract the distortion the speaker itself generates can create extremely good sounding "conventional" speaker systems. Price has so far been prohibitive for this sort of system to reach even the audiophile part of the market, let alone main stream, but science hasn't stopped.

      With the DIY manufacturing technology now becoming available to hacker spaces, I think we will see a lot more of this sort of technology out in the field at a price point that will be affordable to anyone that would alternatively spend good money on high quality speaker systems.

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  2. DX by mythosaz · · Score: 2

    Ultin I can buy replacement headphones using this technology on DealExtreme for $2 shipped, it's a novelty at best.

  3. Re:Volume by stigmato · · Score: 3, Funny

    These ones go up to eleven.

  4. Umm... by CCarrot · · Score: 2

    FTA

    Unfortunately, the devices struggled to dissipate the heat created while generating sounds,

    Careful not to crank the music on your new nanopodz(tm) too loud, or you'll literally fry your eardrums...

    OTOH, talk about a hot beat :o)

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  5. Post Again When Practical by BoRegardless · · Score: 2

    The researchers noted that "unfortunately" the nanotube speakers use much higher amounts of power to drive them.

  6. Real Men Use Plasma by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Funny

    Forget little dinky nano-tubes in your ears, a real man would put plasma arcs in their headphones. Like this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyVTvtgm11o

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  7. A solution in search of a problem by Puls4r · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wasn't aware that our current headphones had any problems that would be addressed with nanotubes. We have small phones that fit in the ear, big phones that look stupid on peopel, and everything in between. In all my years of using earbuds, it's always the cord that fails. Not the buds themselves. Now if they can fix THAT problem, that'd be worth something.

    1. Re:A solution in search of a problem by wjcofkc · · Score: 2

      For people who spend a tremendous amount of time listening to music on the their phone, the power those little speakers draw starts to add up. If these use any less power without sacrificing quality, it could be a big deal. Of course the article does not actually mention anything like that so if it's not the case, then yeah your right - it's kinda pointless. They talk about increased durability, but I have eight year old earbuds that sound as good as new and most people lose a set more than once a year anyway. And yeah, there's the cord problem you cite. Past all of that, bone conduction is probably the future anyway.

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    2. Re:A solution in search of a problem by bloodhawk · · Score: 3, Informative

      Sadly they actually require more power not less. So you are left with durability advantage, "sounds" like they would have a very small niche market if they ever make them commercially available.

  8. Distortion and linearity by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2

    Dynamic drivers, as are normally used in headphones and speakers, still have problems in that regard. We can build amps, DACs, and so on that are essentially better than our hearing. Their frequency response, noise level, and THD are so low that they are completely inaudible, you can swap them out in a blind test and nobody can tell.

    Then you hit the playback device and that all goes to hell.

    You are hard pressed to find something that is both economical and has a flat FR and low distortion. Ideally you want it flat to less than 1dB and THD under 1% at all volume levels, and even less could be useful (we don't have real good data on when things stop being audible, just that at those levels it is audible in almost all cases).

    So, better technology could allow for better specs in this area. That is what we'd be after. To try and get drivers that are affordable, and are accurate to beyond the limits of hearing. We'd like to have an audio system that truly had no sound of its own, that reproduced whatever it was given perfectly, as far as our ears can tell.

  9. Re:Volume by mythosaz · · Score: 2

    You need Monster(tm) cables to go beyond 11 without sacrificing quality.

  10. Tsinghua University by Guppy · · Score: 3, Informative

    The Tsinghua researchers...

    My first thought upon reading the summary was, "Which Tsinghua University"? In this case it's the one in Mainland China, but there's a fascinating backstory behind my initial confusion regarding the history of Tsinghua University.

    Following the defeat of the Boxer Rebellion (1899 - 1901), the China was made to pay an enormous sum in reparations to the great powers -- Russia, Germany, France, Britain, Japan, and the US. While the American share of the reparations was relatively minor (about 7% of the total) it still represented an excessive amount. American Secretary of State John Hay -- serving in the administration of Teddy Roosevelt -- arranged for about a third of the funds to be used for to set up scholarships, as well as a new school in Beijing which served to prepare students for overseas study in the US. It was this institution that eventually became Tsinghua University, one of the most prestigious learning institutions in China.

    There's more to the history however. Following the Chinese Civil War, the defeated Nationalists retreated to Taiwan. A large portion of the Tsinghua staff fled with them and founded a new Tsinghua University in Taiwan (or perhaps they merely re-located the original to Taiwan, depending on your point of view). This other Tsinghua went on to become one of the top Universities in Taiwan as well.