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In Praise of Micromanagement

Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "Sydney Finkelstein writes at BBC that Steve Jobs, Mickey Drexler, and Jeff Bezos all have something in common. They are all builders of giant brands, very successful, and each is (or was) 'an unmitigated, unapologetic, micromanager!' The modern executive is taught — in business schools and in many jobs — that to manage people effectively is to delegate, and then get out of the way. But it's not delegate and forget says Finkelstein; it must be delegate and be intimately involved with what happens next. Micromanagers must be selective. You can't delve into the details of everything, and in fact superstar micromanagers don't. 'Steve Jobs was intimately involved with each product the company designed, and was even famously involved in designing the glass stairs at the Apple stores. But financial and operational issues were delegated to second-in-command and current Apple chief executive officer Tim Cook.' One key is that micromanagers must be experts. What could be worse than a manager immersed in the details who really doesn't know his stuff? Finally, it takes a strong, trusted team to be a micromanager. Could Steve Jobs have spent weeks with the iPhone design team if there was no one else to mind the store? If not for Tim Cook, perhaps the legend of Steve Jobs would not have turned out quite so well. 'The good news is that the best micromanagers are often the best talent developers,' writes Finkelstein. 'Their attention to detail, their intimate knowledge of the business and their deep involvement in what's going on actually enables more, not less, delegation.'"

136 comments

  1. Experts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What could be worse than a manager immersed in the details who really doesn't know his stuff?

    I don't know but knowing your stuff probably has a bigger impact than micromanaging.

    1. Re: Experts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Plus pretty sure that Jobs and co micomanage projects, not people...

      Most micromanaging dunces these days barely knows what kind of business their company is doing. Therefore are reduced to tell you when to poop or how to sharpen your crayons...

    2. Re: Experts by kilodelta · · Score: 2

      You got that right! I chafe something fierce at being micromanaged.

    3. Re: Experts by MacTO · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you're pointing out that there is a difference in micromanaging people and micromanaging a product, your right.

      If you're whining about accepting direction from your employer, then you should be fired.

    4. Re:Experts by OneAhead · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What could be worse than a manager immersed in the details who really doesn't know his stuff?

      I don't know but knowing your stuff probably has a bigger impact than micromanaging.

      I'd say that someone who really knows their stuff will have an inherent tendency to micromanage to a certain degree. If you're leading a project and have the big picture about exactly where you want that project to go, you'll want certain things to be done in certain ways just because you know that will work better with what other people are doing or with the things you're planning to try in the future. As long as the micromanager can still keep track of the big picture and give his or her employees a feeling of being trusted, it's not necessarily a bad thing. I don't mind being micromanaged, provided that the person intruding in my work clearly knows the aspect of the work they're intruding in much better than me. It's great to learn from people who really know their stuff.

    5. Re: Experts by kilodelta · · Score: 2

      My definition of micromanagement: When your boss stands behind you while you're on the phone talking to a client. That's micromanagement.

    6. Re: Experts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There's nothing wrong with taking direction, as long as they hand off responsibility to you for knowing your job. The whole point of employing someone is for them to do tasks you don't have time to do, or maybe expertise.

      Back when I started working in offices as a clerical temp, I worked for a micromanaging supervisor who could never be satisfied. No matter what I did, she would pick it apart even if her boss told me directly there was nothing wrong with the work. Eventually I quit, and was nice enough to give them a week's notice considering how many times I almost walked out on the bitch without a word.

    7. Re:Experts by Nerdfest · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Unfortunately it's usually people who *think* they know their stuff that end up micromanaging. People that actually know their stuff end up contributing.

    8. Re:Experts by MrBigInThePants · · Score: 5, Insightful

      1) Watch a select group of super famous people who were successful for a wide variety of reasons - including many that had nothing to do with them in particular.
      2) Latch on to something they do.
      3) Proclaim that as the source of all their success.
      4) Ignore any counter examples and in fact never look for them.
      5) Pretend you are not completely full of shit.

      Why of why oh fucking why do people keep doing this?!?!

    9. Re: Experts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, Jobs didn't tell people HOW to do stuff he just told them things like the results are crap or it has too many visible screws, it's the wrong colour, needs more rounded corners, it's not insanely great. Or it's finally insanely great.

      To back me up: http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-engineers-are-being-micromanaged-by-corporate-2012-5

      He's like a food critic who usually knows what he wants and has high standards for many areas. Doesn't tell those in the kitchen how to cook, but sure tells them when it's not good enough. You can do it whatever way you want but come tasting time you better produce something good enough for him.

      Jobs was not a micromanager and the writer is clueless.

    10. Re:Experts by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

      The point here is that not all micromanaging is bad, and not all is good.

      And if you are the head of a company you should be aware of what's happening on the floor too. In large companies the awareness of day to day problems is also important because you may actually be able to figure out as a head manager that the organization structure is causing problems. What is good for one department may not be good for the company or the product that the company produces.

      Mid level management do have their specific interests, and their responsibility is to look for the good of their department, but that may not be the good for the company.

      Working inside a large organization myself I see that the top level management are essentially invisible and trusts their department managers too much. But sitting in the top level management positions it is important to know the core of the company - even informal channels that exists due to necessity. Knowing the existence of informal channels also means that you as a top level manager knows what impact a downsize may have. Cutting the wrong parts to get to the fat may make the company slower.

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    11. Re: Experts by wideglide · · Score: 2

      Worst case : Project is late (not unheard of) and boss sits beside you while you code and test. I would not mind if he had at least a bit of a clue about what I'm doing but he's a pure and unspoiled paper-pusher with no idea about the techniques used and the area of work ... No - he did not achieve his goal. The project was exactly on time (as it should be) and all deliverables were there. He had a private timeline and tried to force it to the weakest point (in his view). Next time I'll just stand and walk. If you know it better - fine, this is a keyboard, this is a monitor and do what you think you can do. Moron

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    12. Re: Experts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No, the hierarchical system which puts one person over another and allows you to "be fired" should be abolished.

    13. Re:Experts by anagama · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, this sounds like a Tim Cook fluff piece, like someone is trying to make a subtle point about how Apple is going to be all good because it has Steve Cook, or Tim Jobs -- whatever -- just buy their stock and iPhones.

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    14. Re:Experts by lxs · · Score: 1

      Congratulations! You've summed up Malcolm Gladwell's career in five easy to follow steps.

    15. Re:Experts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They haven't read The Black Swan by Nassim Nicholas Taleb yet.

      When asking successful people what their key traits are, they hold up things like "hard working, social skills, network" etc.
      Yet - the graveyards are full of failures that possessed exactly those traits as well.

      So when you make two columns - one for winners and one for losers, and strike out the traits and properties that exist on both sides, you end up with one single thing that only exist on the winning side: luck.

      Luck can be manipulated though. You have to gamble to win. You will fail eventually, so survive your failures. And learn from them.

    16. Re:Experts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it pays the bills.
      You could have thought of that yourself.

    17. Re:Experts by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 1

      Actually, this sounds like a Tim Cook fluff piece, like someone is trying to make a subtle point about how Apple is going to be all good because it has Steve Cook, or Tim Jobs -- whatever -- just buy their stock and iPhones.

      Sour grapes.... It's kind of hard to argue with the success of the iPod/iPone/iPad series. Google with it's Android OS was only able to trump the market share of a single company by setting loose an entire hoard of Android licensees on Apple. If they had tried to go the same route as Apple and offer a single premium price GooglePhone competitor to the iPhone, Android would probably be a footnote today in mobile OS history today. You can peddle your sour grapes here as much as you want, it's still impressive that the biggest competitor of the Android hoard by any yardstick is one company with two phone models and tablet two models on offer that doesn't even try to compete with the race-to-the-bottom priced devices that accounted for much of Android's impressive growth in mobile OS market share when Android dethroned Symbian in the medium and low-end device market.

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    18. Re: Experts by Ash+Vince · · Score: 1

      My definition of micromanagement:
      When your boss stands behind you while you're on the phone talking to a client. That's micromanagement.

      Actually in my case he is on skype, madly typing stuff while I completely ignore a silly little icon flashing in the corner of my screen :)

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    19. Re: Experts by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Or when you are posting on Slashdot. Man, that's annoying.

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    20. Re: Experts by Ash+Vince · · Score: 2

      Jobs was not a micromanager and the writer is clueless.

      Actually for the MD of huge multibillion pound business getting overly involved in product design might be considered micromanagement.

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    21. Re: Experts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup don't deserve better than a 2 funny...

      You sound like a micromanager who like to fire people because their crayons are not stored in the good reverse dvorak color name order... Worked for a clown like that once... They couldn't even fire him fast enough before his family got him institutionalized, with the nice white coat with sleeves tied in the back and gorgeous padded cell with view on the next building rear wall...

    22. Re: Experts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck that. I would quit.

    23. Re: Experts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jobs, from what I understand, was more akin to Gordon Ramsay (Which puts it in contrast with everything else.).

      Yes, the article author hasn't a damn clue, couldn't hold on to one if given- and I'm disappointed that /. saw fit to sink to a bit of a new low putting this tripe up.

      It's not news.
      It's abjectly worthless as a notion for geeks.
      It gave a clueless fool 15 seconds of fame that didn't deserve it.
      It's crap made of the whole cloth, pulled from the author's arse to validate something that he probably ought NOT to be doing that he feels is the truth.

    24. Re: Experts by hazah · · Score: 1

      My ex-cloun is still kicking... wonder how long itll be befour the labour board moves in though...

    25. Re: Experts by hazah · · Score: 1

      clown.. jeez... it's getting late!

    26. Re:Experts by hazah · · Score: 1

      I donno. Often I find myself micronmanaging things like code formatting, and I'm not even the manager, just the lead developer. When it comes time to find the cracks at the seams I'm the only one available to see them, and it gets pretty wild if there's no consistency. It's a bit of a two way street. So I end up literally telling my colegue to do things a certain way to save ourselves from rediscovery.

    27. Re:Experts by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      That's really just code review, although if you're down to the level of formatting, you're probably micro-managing. As long as the formatting is close to your conventions and readable, let it go. Variable and method naming, testing, decoupling, security and a pile of other things are far more important. A good IDE will put the code into your favourite format if you really need it to. Yeah, it would be nice if everybody else's code was as pretty as yours, but you got to have a little flexibility. You may even pick up some better ideas on occasion.

    28. Re:Experts by MrBigInThePants · · Score: 1

      Yeah...I don't buy that at all.

      I understand the mistake here though - humans are terrible at dealing with effects that have multiple and varied causes.

      It is easy to dismiss it as "luck". Certainly "luck" (i.e statistical probability - I hate the term luck) is a factor in anything humans do as a fundamental of the universe.

      But the traits"steve jobs" (or whatever super famous person you choose) became famous is not just luck. It is also a case of choosing the correct trait for the correct context.

      Each one has a DIFFERENT and VARIED set of reasons.

      So if you do the irrelevent exercise of lining up reason and peice of paper you will find examples that will cancel each other out.

      This means nothing.

    29. Re:Experts by MrBigInThePants · · Score: 1

      You are correct and I do know why the author does it and why slashdot reposts it like it is meaningful.

      I should have put the emphasis on the people who consume this drivel as fact which is what I am really commenting on.

    30. Re:Experts by hazah · · Score: 1

      When the consistency of their bracket placement is 4 tabs here and 2 spaces there, it really starts to bother me.. So I think that answers what side of that fence I'm on. It's largly due to lack of experience. CSS guy doing JS and PHP... sigh.

  2. bad metrics by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1, Funny

    that look at the wrong numbers

  3. Congratulations by Pop69 · · Score: 2

    You found possibly the only BBC site that isn't actually available in Britain

    1. Re:Congratulations by Xest · · Score: 1

      Coincidentally I was connected to a US based VPN last night and started browsing the web to the BBC without disconnecting first, so was presented with the US version of BBC.

      I stumbled across this exact article, but seriously, what the fuck. There was this BBC Capital thing that seemed to have way more interesting articles than the complete and utterly meaningless wank-drivel that we get given in the UK with the "BBC Magazine".

      I'm rather disgusted that they say "Sorry this isn't available in the UK because it's not funded by the license fee" - What the fuck?

      Everything is funded by the license fee, even if indirectly, BBC Worldwide can only make money to create things like that because it's been able to sell things like Planet Earth overseas which was created with, guess what? License fee money. BBC Worldwide doesn't exist in a vacuum, it's very creation and ability to thrive was 100% dependent on content produced using the license fee.

      So I shall go home tonight and use my VPN to read more of what I'm frankly fucking entitled to read and that should be available to all UK license fee payers without needing a VPN.

      I'll also be contacting the trust (HAH, like they'll give a shit!) and my MP to ask why the BBC is now restricting access to content that could not exist without license fee money which is frankly a breach of the royal charter under which they exist. The whole justification for BBC Worldwide's existence is that it can act as a commercial money making entity to feed back better content for the British license fee payer, if that's no longer true then we should stop subsidising BBC Worldwide, sell it off as a private entity and pass the windfall back to license fee payers.

      Well I guess the BBC execs have got to fund their arguably fraudulent payoffs somehow...

  4. good by xombo · · Score: 1

    I'm doing it right.

    1. Re:good by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Maybe you are. If so you are in the tiny minority. I have worked for dozens of micromanagers in the last three and half decades and only one out of that entire group knew what the hell he was doing. The rest had no clue and were scared shitless and constantly changed their minds every day so that little ever got done. The one that did know almost made up for the idiots.

    2. Re:good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      All but one of my managers left me alone.
      Actually I only saw one of them less than a few hours for the first year I worked for him as I was in the other building. Very smart technical manager that knows his stuff. Sometimes it takes a few days to understand what he was talking about. I was told by others that if I was doing okay if I was still working for him.

      The one that micromanaged me gave up after a month as it was way too much work for him. I was doing all the odd jobs (small tasks) to keep the project moving at that stage.

    3. Re:good by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      There are good micro-managers and bad micro-managers. Being a micro-manager alone is not sufficient to be good at it.

      In fact, many successful companies have/had more generalist managers in charge.

      The article's point seems to be that micromanagement "done right" can be a good thing even though micromanagement has a bad reputation.

  5. What's the lesson here? by MrEricSir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can't really extrapolate from a handful of CEOs what a good management strategy is. Very, very few managers are CEOs, or ever will be.

    And is what's being described here even micromanagement? It's one thing to "micromanage" by insisting that your products meet your standards, it's another to insist on specific details like underlying technologies or what color the office chairs should be.

    On the flip side, there's certain aspects of the old "HP Way" that could be described as micromanagement. But I guess it would be toxic to even mention HP when you're talking about best practices in running a company these days.

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    1. Re:What's the lesson here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The guy is totally wrong.
      Jobs didn't tell people how to do their work, he just made sure every detail was exacty what he wanted. Jobs was a detailed oriented prick, not a micromanager.

    2. Re:What's the lesson here? by RabidReindeer · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You can't really extrapolate from a handful of CEOs what a good management strategy is. Very, very few managers are CEOs, or ever will be.

      And is what's being described here even micromanagement? It's one thing to "micromanage" by insisting that your products meet your standards, it's another to insist on specific details like underlying technologies or what color the office chairs should be.

      On the flip side, there's certain aspects of the old "HP Way" that could be described as micromanagement. But I guess it would be toxic to even mention HP when you're talking about best practices in running a company these days.

      I wouldn't call this "micromanagement". I'd call it "focussed management". The people in question determined what absolutely positively needed to be done right, studied their subject and homed in on it. They didn't second-guess paper-clip purchases, make idiot suggestions or otherwise do what makes micro-managing bad: interfering with people's work for trivial purposes.

    3. Re:What's the lesson here? by mysidia · · Score: 2

      it's another to insist on specific details like underlying technologies or what color the office chairs should be.

      Why do you think that's necessarily micromanagement?

      I'm sorry... but if I hire someone to handle the role of acquiring furniture... they are NOT going to be standardizing on fluorescent pink chairs for everyone's office.

      On the other hand... the colors of things, and architecture of office space are very important; they can effect worker productivity.

      I would emphasize making sure knowledge workers and creative professionals and managers have enough space and privacy to get their work done without unnecessary interruptions or inconveniences; let them pick out their own chairs and such, design their own space, as long as they keep their door closed, see if I care about what makes the best workspace for them....

    4. Re:What's the lesson here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Micromanagement the art of wasting your time and mine by paying me to do my job and insulting me by then doing it yourself.

      corporate Idiot me for for actually caring and not just taking the money and let you do it.

    5. Re:What's the lesson here? by TrollstonButterbeans · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "You can't really extrapolate from a handful of CEOs what a good management strategy is."

      Why not? And what I mean by this, you can look at a handful of bad CEOs and often see what are bad management practices.

      History is just studying winners and losers, the environment they were in and how they overcame --- or were overcome -- by circumstances.

      The Apple story is particularly remarkable because Steve Jobs and the Woz made Apple --- Steve Jobs gets fired and wanders the wilderness for 10 years with NeXT and such --- then comes back to Apple and makes OS X, iPod, iPhone, iPad.

      Few people are 2 time winners. What would be typical is if Steve Jobs came back and then was found out to be a "has been".

      Studying individual success stories is "descriptive analysis" -- a field generally discarded by both statistics and science as "nonscience" -- but seeks to understand a particular circumstance that cannot be scientifically repeated nor statistically verified. But yet useful, like studying battles in WWII between Rommel and Patton.

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    6. Re:What's the lesson here? by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except these aren't CEOs. These are entrepenuers. These are guys that founded companies. They aren't just some guy that came in later to babysit someone else's creation.

      These people actually built something.

      Labeling these people as CEOs is very misleading.

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    7. Re:What's the lesson here? by Andrio · · Score: 1

      This is a case of correlation not equalling causation.

      Those successful CEOs mentioned micromanage, yes, but that is because they have a passion for their business. They want their company to succeed, and they actually care about the market and product they provide, rather than how their stock options look. Unlike, say, Elop who couldn't care less about Nokia or the mobile industry. It's not his passion.

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    8. Re:What's the lesson here? by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 2

      "I wouldn't call this "micromanagement". I'd call it "focussed management". "

      Mod parent up (little problem with the spelling of "focused"). The great manager delegates the things that need to be delegated and focuses on the things she or he is best at, whether that's the company finances, the product design or simply motivating people to do their best. Even if Jobs "micro-managed" the iProduct line, I'm sure employees would have resigned en masse if his trademark attention to detail had been let loose on the human resources department.

    9. Re:What's the lesson here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the prick part involved his lies about compensation to whip on his slaves. Nothing to do with his managing -- I give him props for product management, but an F- for treatment of human beings.

    10. Re:What's the lesson here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> I'd call it "focussed management"
      That's pretty much what the summary says:
      "Micromanagers must be selective. You can't delve into the details of everything, and in fact superstar micromanagers don't"

      RTFS

    11. Re:What's the lesson here? by Vaphell · · Score: 1

      they can affect worker productivity.

      ftfy
      It's amazing so many people have problem with these simple words. Here is how you can easily get it:
      affect/effect = input/output, and in both cases words are in alphabetical order!

    12. Re:What's the lesson here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Venn shall ve march on Poland oh Great one?

    13. Re:What's the lesson here? by Xest · · Score: 1

      I think more than anything the problem is ascribing to success too much of a weighting towards the power of achieving it being in your hands.

      Let's be honest, there are thousands of people that are equally talented and competent as Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Mark Zuckerberg et. al. but didn't achieve what they did for no other reason than they weren't born and brought up somewhere like Silicon Valley, or didn't have parents wealthy enough to send them to Harvard or have friends with access to VC funding. Even when you were born matters. You'll have a far easier time starting up in a brand new frontier like Bill Gates had - that of the emerging possibility of home computing, than you will now where it's a crowded market and new ideas are ever more sparse. That's not to say other new frontiers don't come along - I'd argue mobile is the obvious most recent one, with the web before that, but it can make a difference if you're born too late to miss the boat on that sort of thing because it can be decades before the next such revolution.

      Summly was the ultimate example of this, it was sold as the teenage genius who made millions off his own back with his invention by selling it to Yahoo, but the real story is that his dad was an investment banker who got people he invested for ranging from the Murdochs to Ashton Kutcher and Steven Fry to hype up the product. His father also bought in Silicon Valley veterans to run and develop his son's product for him and his mother was a lawyer at the very company that bought the product (Yahoo). The story of the teenager who invented something and made a fortune from his bedroom was anything but, but his father wanted to set him up for life by attaching his name to it all as the supposed teenage genius. Ultimately the only thing that got that kid where he is is the fact that his dad was a wealthy investment banker with excellent highly influential connections.

      Hard work can get you a very long way, but ultimately right place, right time or even simply who you were born to plays more of a factor into it all than anything.

      You can study and learn everything about the greatest leaders of all time, but if you were born in a slum in India then it probably wont do you the slightest bit of good unless you get extremely lucky.

      Of course that doesn't mean it's a worthless task, or that it can't make you a better leader at all, but the idea you can learn every minute detail of Steve Jobs' working patterns and end up being as successful a leader making a business as successful as Apple is unrealistic.

      It's easy to forget that these guys may not be all that special and that there's in fact nothing you'd want to learn from them- they may have just been like you or me, but in the right place, at the right time. I do not believe talent is all that rare, but I think great opportunities are.

    14. Re:What's the lesson here? by TrollstonButterbeans · · Score: 1

      "I do not believe talent is all that rare, but I think great opportunities are."

      There is a ton of truth to that statement. At the same time, opportunities exist all around us. It is more about recognizing the environment, spotting opportunities and then developing an inspiring plan of action. Luck plays a part too.

      For example, Zuckerberg was not the only one capable of making Facebook. But he recognized the opportunity, saw the potential and acted with passion.

      There were probably thousands of people with the same or better capabilities than Zuckerberg around at the same time. Likewise, Microsoft or Sony could have made an iTunes-like store. They didn't.

      Talent isn't necessary developer-power or business acumen --- passion, vision, competence and --- as you stated --- being in the right place with the right resources is important. Certainly Bill Gates was not the only person at the time who could have made a DOS-like operating system (i.e. Gary Kidall --- who blew off IBM!)

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    15. Re:What's the lesson here? by mysidia · · Score: 1

      they can affect worker productivity.

      No. I said they can effect worker productivity, and that's what I meant.

      The right color can effect worker productivity [As in cause, or bring about], or the wrong color can hinder worker productivity [As in slow or prevent -- the opposite of effecting the result].

  6. Steve Jobs on PCB traces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A micromanager who didn't know his stuff.

    http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=PC_Board_Esthetics.txt&characters=Steve%20Jobs&sortOrder=Sort%20by%20Date&detail=high&showcomments=1

    1. Re:Steve Jobs on PCB traces by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      Read "Machine Beauty" by Gelernter for why easthesics matters in technology.

      http://www.amazon.com/Machine-Beauty-Elegance-Technology-Masterminds/dp/046504316X

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    2. Re:Steve Jobs on PCB traces by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      But address bus loading was a problem on the drams you could get in the early 80s. He should have recommended extra buffering if they were so close to the edge that a little extra spacing would break it.

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    3. Re:Steve Jobs on PCB traces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which would mean more chips, increased cost, possibly lower speed (those buffers add propagation delay...), a bigger board... to make the trace pattern look prettier.
      Do you realize how stupid that sounds?

    4. Re:Steve Jobs on PCB traces by GauteL · · Score: 2

      To be fair. Jobs was 26 years old in 1981. He may have learnt something during the 15 years until he rejoined Apple. Perhaps this particular tale helped him be somewhat more sensible in his choices of what to stick his nose in? The story also demonstrates that he was also willing to be proven wrong, which he was, and they moved on from there.

    5. Re:Steve Jobs on PCB traces by Guybrush_T · · Score: 1

      Jobs wasn't wrong. If someone posts images of the PCB board of an iPhone 5, everybody will be interested in looking at it. At this period of time, showing a PCB board was just awesome. It looked like the future. Having a beautiful PCB could have been a strong communication point. Maybe Jobs didn't think about that and was just plain wrong at this time, but I'm not convinced the situation is so clear.

    6. Re:Steve Jobs on PCB traces by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      >Do you realize how stupid that sounds?
      It beats the alternative. I saw several designs from that era fail for exactly that reason. A little extra spacing would add less than 1ns to the timing. Clock speeds at the time were ~16MHz = ~62ns. A stronger buffer would improve timing by more than 1ns on traces with a large RC delay into an array of 8-16 drams, by increasing the edge rates. If the design was so close to the edge that 1 ns difference broke it, it did not have sufficient margin.

      So no. It doesn't sound stupid.

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  7. Give me an update... by slick7 · · Score: 1

    I prefer managers that are capable of allowing their subordinates to doing their job. A manager, IMHO, who has to be kept in the loop every step of the way indicates, to me, someone who has no confidence in themselves or their subordinates or is a total asshat to begin with and should not be a manager from the start.

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    1. Re:Give me an update... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1
      It depends on the level of the manager. Those directing individual teams are there to ensure that the team is at its most productive. This typically means acting as a buffer between senior management, resources / procurement, and the team, ensuring that the senior management knows what is possible, the team knows what is required, and that the team has everything they need. For more senior positions, it's about determining the direction.

      Apple is a company with a relatively small number of products, which rides a lot on the perception of their current flagship line. As such, a big part of the job for senior management is defining what the requirements are for the next iteration, balancing them with what's feasible, ensuring that they've done the market research to show that it will work, and then making damn sure that the product meets expectations.

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  8. Clearly MBA Management 201 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If you make your underlings do exactly what you tell them to in exactly the way you tell them, it is easier to prove they screwed up later as you already know how it was done.

  9. A Vision by chr1st1anSoldier · · Score: 2

    Steve Jobs had a vision beyond metrics. He believed in something more then making a profit and pursued that dream. It is little things like that which get missed. 99.99% of all micromanagers have no vision beyond their own paycheck.

    1. Re:A Vision by OneAhead · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and 99.99% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

      I give you that a significant percentage of micromanagers don't know and don't care about much, but your 99.99% is way overestimated. The reason you have such a negative perception of micromanages is likely that micromanagement bruises people's egos, so they will complain about it even if the micromanager in question knows what they're doing and has a clear vision. Case in point, most sources say your St. Jobs was infuriating to work for. These kind of complaints (not only about Jobs of course) are so pervasive that they grew into a stereotype of the hated nitwit micromanager.

    2. Re:A Vision by epyT-R · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The guy's dead.. the distortion field's gone.. why are you still acting this way?

    3. Re:A Vision by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      Religions die hard.

    4. Re:A Vision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      haters gonna hate, stay mad, nerd.

    5. Re:A Vision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah he sure sounds like the mad one of you two. Mmmmhm.

    6. Re:A Vision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He believed in something more then making a profit

      Yeah, his billions were just an unfortunate side effect.

    7. Re:A Vision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stockholm Syndrome, possibly.

    8. Re:A Vision by Raenex · · Score: 1

      The guy's dead.. the distortion field's gone.. why are you still acting this way?

      You're asking this about somebody with the handle of "chr1st1anSoldier"?

  10. Agreed by lymond01 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Being a manager for a small group of varied IT folk, I think the idea is right. If you could know the requested outcome, delegate it to the experts, keep basic track of the timeline, and be done, that would be awesome. But people are not slurm. Joe and Suzy aren't getting along so Suzy refuses to commit her changes. Bob is out sick. Tom's new and while a great Java programmer is still getting up to speed on the .net framework. John is awesome, but he's just one guy. So you're kind of needed to walk people through difficult phases, keep things on track, show enthusiasm for the project, lead by example (showing up on time, doing your share of the work, being positive, etc).

    Or you can just yell alot. Either way...

    1. Re:Agreed by jon3k · · Score: 1

      I think it would be extremely difficult to be a manager by trade. It's one thing to come up through the ranks and be able to work side by side with your guys and gals, because you've earned their respect at this point. I feel bad for the PHB that get MBAs then try to walk in an run an IT department. That's gotta be tough.

    2. Re:Agreed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being effective is so unagile. Hahahahahahahaha

  11. YASSS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yet another Saint Steve story.

  12. So where is His Billness? by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 1

    He did delegate. Developers, developers, developers! Look how that worked out. One leaving, His Billness being questioned.

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  13. Why didn't they mention the failures too? by bogaboga · · Score: 1

    Like these?

    I guess success like beauty, lies in the eyes of the beholder.

  14. How many Jobs, Drexlers, and Bezos are out there? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh yeah 2. Good luck teaching that expertise to MBAs.

  15. Jobs successful manager? by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    or a asshole designer (of the frou-frou and eye candy sort) who knew how to sponge off others?

    asshole sponge

  16. Common definition of micromanagement... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... indicates there are no "good" micromanagers. Micromanagers tell people which ends of the toilet paper must go up in the can. Motivated, hands-on managers who tell people what they want (or don't want) and don't muck about with the "how" part aren't micromanagers. There has to be another name for them, but I'm not big on thesaurus software.

    1. Re:Common definition of micromanagement... by epyT-R · · Score: 2

      Macromanagement. This is its own form of hell too. This is the "I don't care, just make it work" mentality that simultaneously denies its underlings the things they need to make it happen.

  17. Micromanagement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Micromanagement isn't the problem, it's microMISmanagement.

  18. Tim Cook by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    Reading the summary, it seems a mistake to turn Tim Cook as a CEO, while he would be an excellent COO...

  19. Depends on talent/intelligence/magic by MpVpRb · · Score: 2

    If a micro-manager has less talent/intelligence/magic than his workers..he gets in the way and impedes progress

    If a micro-manager has a clear vision, and it's an inspired vision..you would be wise to follow him

    Example..Walt Disney

  20. Recipe for web hits by LordLucless · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1) Make controversial statement (Micromanaging is good!)
    2) Redefine your terms so that actually, it's not that controversial (Micromanagers "can't delve into the details of everything")
    3) Spam your headline around the place
    4) Profit

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    1. Re:Recipe for web hits by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      It's not even right.......This statement: " The modern executive is taught — in business schools and in many jobs — that to manage people effectively is to delegate, and then get out of the way" isn't even true. If it were, modern CEOs would be working 3 hour days.

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    2. Re:Recipe for web hits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. The article can be summarized as "micromanagement is good, but only if you redefine micromanagement to mean normal management".

  21. There is only one way to effectively micromanage. by GrpA · · Score: 2

    You can tell me what to do, or how to do it, but not both... This is a lesson most micromanagers forget. The truth is that there is no such think as effective micromanagement. By it's very nature, the project that micromanagers run can never grow bigger than what can be achieved by a single person. They are limited entirely by that person's ability and intelligence, and people with either of those two attributes usually realize it well enough to leave micromanagement alone.

    Micromanagement, while sometimes necessary, is anything but effective. Any good manager will always realize this and will usually step out of the micromanagement role very shortly after taking it on.

    The exceptions to the rule are always companies where the intended outcome *is* for the company or project to never grow further than one person can manage it. Sometimes ( eg Apple ) - this is the desired outcome - to remain small and very narrow in focus. Generally, though, that goes counter to modern business principles.

    GrpA

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  22. Re:Depends on talent/intelligence/magic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And perhaps also, James Cameron... though I gather from the DVD commentaries that he is an asshat to work with.. maybe off the movie set he nice guy.

    --hey! capcha thingy is "brutally"

  23. Hitler!! by xevioso · · Score: 2

    I have been reading quite a bit about WWII lately, something I do every few years as an amateur historian. The horrible evils of that war are too numerous to mention, it goes without saying, but from a purely historical point of view, I have lately been coming to the conclusion that Hitler was really a terrible micromanager when it came to war. I understand this view is shared by a lot of historians, but its the sort of conclusion you can come to yourself when you look at the decisions he made..

    Now, there was a point, during his rise to power, where he clearly was very good at consolidating his underlings and using his own ability to move crowds to get what he wanted over the long haul. Apparently, he had a tendency to give out completely contradictory or vague orders to underlings, and would leave it to them to work things out. It probably can be said that this worked at least to some effect in the first part of the war, because clearly the Whermacht had a lot of initial success.

    Which leads me to wonder if such a leadership style would have any place in a modern business environment; I wonder if any studies have been done on this?

    Anyways, he completely fucked up by being a micromanager towards the end of the war in an area he clearly was not an expert in, which was troop movements. For example, had he not micromanaged troop deployments on or around D-Day and left it up to his generals, D-Day probably would not have been a success. He did this repeatedly on the Eastern front, and it's pretty clear that one of the drawbacks of that style of utter top-down leadership style is that yoyu have to know what the fuck you are doing, and he didn't.

    And thank God for that, or else the world would have been a different place.

    1. Re:Hitler!! by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      >The horrible evils of that war are too numerous to mention, it goes without saying,
      But you said it anyway.

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    2. Re:Hitler!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have been reading quite a bit about WWII lately, something I do every few years as an amateur historian.

      Godwin can sleep more easily now, his law is safe for a few more years on Slashdot and a few other sites.

    3. Re:Hitler!! by xevioso · · Score: 1

      Yes, because had I not mentioned it people would have accused me of ignoring them. Just so you are aware, WWII was a Bad Thing.

      But micromanagement still played a part.

    4. Re:Hitler!! by xevioso · · Score: 1

      I was considering the Godwin law relevance to my post... I'm not so sure it applies here.

    5. Re:Hitler!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have been reading quite a bit about WWII lately, something I do every few years as an amateur historian.

      Godwin can sleep more easily now, his law is safe for a few more years on Slashdot and a few other sites.

      Godwin's Law: The longer an Internet debate continues, the more likely it becomes that one of the participants will compare the opposing party to Nazis or Hitler. The likelihood of anything productive being discussed at this point is almost always zero.

      Godwin's Law Corollary: Whenever Nazis or Hitler are mentioned, some idiot will incorrectly claim Godwin's Law has become involved and that this somehow renders the point being made irrelevant.

    6. Re:Hitler!! by Nidi62 · · Score: 2

      Anyways, he completely fucked up by being a micromanager towards the end of the war in an area he clearly was not an expert in, which was troop movements. For example, had he not micromanaged troop deployments on or around D-Day and left it up to his generals, D-Day probably would not have been a success. He did this repeatedly on the Eastern front, and it's pretty clear that one of the drawbacks of that style of utter top-down leadership style is that yoyu have to know what the fuck you are doing, and he didn't.

      One of his biggest problems was that he fixated on things, to the point where his beliefs would override objective facts. For one thing, he was obsessed with new technology. The Tiger and King Tiger, the V-2, the Me 262, the Sturmgewehr, etc were all amazing improvements over traditional weapons, but the expense of production meant that resources were diverted to create limited numbers of these weapons when less advanced technologies were perfectly capable and cheaper to make. And on the Eastern front he was strangely fascinated with the idea of "fortresses" where encircled troops would fight their way out or hold out for a rescue force to break the encirclement. It worked once early on due to a favorable tactical situation, but in the later years of the war the tactics were forced on weakened and understrength Wehrmacht troops that were unable to hold pockets or were nowhere near strong enough enough to force a breakthrough. In most cases these pockets, which had plenty of time to withdraw before the encirclements were completed, were forced to hold by direct order of Hitler, losing the entire force in the pocket and usually most of the forces that attempted to breakthrough in a relief thrust. And this leads to the third fixation: he believed the German army could accomplish almost anything. An operation or breakthrough attempt might request a division and he would authorize only a battalion be transferred. Essentially he was looking at the tactical situation in 1943-44, with German units often numbering 60-70 men per company with very few working tanks or heavy vehicles facing well trained and well equipped Red Army soldiers, as if it were still 1941, when fully equipped German units ran over poorly trained and even poorly led Red Army forces.

      If you haven't, you should read Eastern Inferno, a collection of journals written by a German soldier named Hans Roth who fought and eventually died on the Eastern Front. You can see the transition both the German and Soviet armies go through during the war, and with at least a general knowledge of history you can see how decisions by Hitler directly impacted the men on the front lines.

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    7. Re: Hitler!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But Hitler was also an incompetent, see: The Peter Principle. The fact he micromanaged only compounded the problem, thank God, because we all beat his angry ass back to WWI.

      Back on topic though, if the micromanager is competent, it simply means that he is holding his or her staff accountable for their performance by running a tight ship. This is something that some people don't like, especially if they're incompetent themselves. But like it or not, a competent micromanager is rarely a failure, much more likely a manager with an eye for detail which produces excellent results.

    8. Re:Hitler!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      War is an interesting subject because fuckup consequences are so brutal. You may be a good officer, give the right orders, people may execute them in best possible way and you still may fail to achieve your objectives. Good team and good leader are essential but sometimes not enough. That is why it is so difficult to formulate a fitting theory of success especially in IT with all the aspies taking any however small and insignificant inconsistency as a proof of being wrong.

    9. Re:Hitler!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hitler was an enlisted message runner who tried to be the c-in-c of an entire war. Amateurs usually are awful in that capacity. (Abraham Lincoln is one of the rare exceptions of an amateur who had a clue in warfare.) Hitler ran the war on a map, and had no idea what was really going on. He also never put Germany on a full war-time economy, and relied on slave labor at the end. (Hint: slaves like to sabotage what they're doing.) I'm not sure Hitler could be considered a micromanager, since he delegated things, he just walled himself up in a "lair" and surrounded himself with yes-men. Being in a bubble was probably the worst thing about Hitler's management style. He would not listen to field reports which told him the real situation.

  24. That's not micromanagement... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 3, Insightful
    What is described in the article is not micromanagement, it is knowing what the product should be and assuring it meets that goal.

    .
    Micromanagement occurs when your manager spends more time asking you detailed questions about your project than you spend actually working on the project. Micromanagement occurs when your manager really does not understand technically what you are doing, and thinks that he can look like he does by asking a lot of questions. Micromanagement is telling you how to do your job, not telling you what the goal of your job is.

    Micromanagement is not good for the person being "managed", the project, or the company.

    It needs to be banished, not praised.

    1. Re:That's not micromanagement... by GerryHattrick · · Score: 1

      Micromanagement is why Herr Hitler failed, when he had world-class Generals.

  25. Re:There is only one way to effectively micromanag by whoever57 · · Score: 2

    What I hate is a micromanager who tells you to do X and then complains that you did not do Y. Yes, I have experienced this.

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  26. I can show you even more failures by MeNeXT · · Score: 1

    I can show even more micromanager failures than the three successful which were listed. A few successful ones does not proof make. Sorry.

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  27. Expertise by Dereck1701 · · Score: 1

    "that to manage people effectively is to delegate, and then get out of the way."

    This is a very good lesson to teach when, as in the case of most managers, they have no clue as to the subject at hand. It does not apply when the manager actually DOES have a decent amount of expertise in the field. For example you wouldn't want someone with a background only in management and dentistry to micromanage a group of turbine engineers. However switch that experience in dentistry to schooling/experience in high pressure fluid dynamics and/or mechanical engineering they would possibly have something to contribute via micromanagement.

  28. That isn't micromanaging by Copid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's knowing and shaping what your company makes. That's great for a top boss, especially in a consumer products company where the boss should understand the product as well as anybody else. Sure, if you make surgical equipment and lasers and jet engines, the CEO has to delegate that stuff, but a company like Apple? Of course not. Micromanaging would be if Jobs was bugging people about how it was implemented and getting his hands all over the engineering process.

    I worked for a company where the CEO was not a tech guy, but he had a vision for the device we were supposed to make. He played with the prototypes constantly and shaped the final device. He knew the market he wanted to go for, and he made his vision happen. He was all over products and marketing and managing customers, but he delegated financial operations and the engineering process to experts. It was a big success, and a great place to work because we all felt like we knew what we were shooting for, and we knew where we fit as part of the overall big picture. We could all imagine what the company would be selling, we knew why it was going to be great, and none of us was surprised when we saw the final result. It was a blast.

    A few mergers and acquisitions later and we were part of a big operation. The CEO had no idea what we made or how it worked. In fact, you could go well down the management chain before you found anybody who had any opinion about what the company should be making. The CEO devoted himself to financial engineering and delegated "stuff the company does" to his underlings. We lasted about a year. It's very hard to be inspired by upper management when their "pep talk" is all about financials and nothing about the things your team makes and where they fit in the vision for the company.

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  29. Re:Depends on talent/intelligence/magic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you mean pay the government protection money?

  30. The V-2 was a bad decision of his by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Nazis financed an expensive weapon, with limited military effectiveness. The V-2 rocket would be the foundation of all future space programs. Von Braun's years of Nazi rocket development experience would make his masterpiece possible: the Saturn V rocket.

    So yeah, I think Hitler made bad decisions.

  31. This advice isn't going to help anyone... by Lendrick · · Score: 1

    Every manager I've had who's micromanaged me has believed that they were experts in the area. When they really knew what they were talking about, I didn't mind. My first boss was a software developer himself, and he's the guy who basically taught me how to program in the real world. He often did tell me how I should do my job, but since he was an expert on my job, he knew the right way for me to do my job.

    I've had other managers who believed that their position in management made them experts on my work, when in fact they knew very little about it. By that time, I was more than competent enough to get a list of requirements and meet them without executive meddling, but I was constantly being told exactly how I should go about what I was doing, and it wasted a tremendous amount of my time.

    Point is, both of these people believed that they were providing guidance, but in reality, one of them wasn't. Telling people it's okay to micromanage when they're experts is just going to encourage people validate bad micromanagers who wrongly believe that they're experts.

  32. Is this the next fad? by symbolic · · Score: 1

    Micromanagement is every bit as good as open space.

  33. Let me see if I understand this... by mark_reh · · Score: 1

    In one sentence it says "Steve Jobs was ... famously involved in designing the glass stairs at the Apple stores. "
    And then a sentence or two later it says "One key is that micromanagers must be experts."
    So Jobs was an expert on glass staircases?

    1. Re:Let me see if I understand this... by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      He was 'magical' that way.

    2. Re:Let me see if I understand this... by Paul+Carver · · Score: 1

      No, he was an expert in knowing what a large number of people will think looks cool. I didn't buy anything while I was there, but when I was in the vicinity of the Apple store in NYC I certainly went inside to take a look around. The building itself is basically a work of art and the staircase is at least as much a part of the art as anything else.

      A staircase alone won't sell phones or computers, but Jobs didn't focus on just a staircase. He treated buildings as part of the Apple package. If you can't see why that's important then you'll never be as successful as Jobs.

      Of course that's ok. It's not necessary for everyone to be as successful as Steve Jobs. But if you're putting a lot of effort into trying to prove that he wasn't *really* successful you might want to take a look at your own life and ask why it's so important to you to find faults and convince people that he wasn't talented.

    3. Re:Let me see if I understand this... by mark_reh · · Score: 1

      My sarcastic critique was aimed squarely at the poor logic demonstrated by author of the original article, not Jobs.

      Perhaps you should examine your life to try to understand why you feel the need to defend Jobs whether he is being criticized or not...

  34. YAWSA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yet Another Whiny Slashdot Asshole

  35. Steve Jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    All he did is get hipsters to overpay for smart phones and tablets, by making the interface idiot proof.

  36. Not micromanagement by michaelmalak · · Score: 1

    This is not micromanagement. It's being involved in design reviews.

  37. dot by Ryanrule · · Score: 1

    micromanage the managers, not the people who do the actual work.

  38. Management theory by eennaarbrak · · Score: 2

    Ah, just another insight into the wonderful word of management theory. I wonder if the esteemed people who concern themselves with the knowledge of what it takes to run a successful company will ever just admit to themselves that perhaps this about as useful as trying to understand a winning strategy of casino slots?

  39. Agile by undulato · · Score: 1

    Agile is the perfect platform for establishing micromanagement. Break your tasks down into really small pieces, keep daily tabs on progress, make the team responsible for delivering it. They used to call them 'daily progress meetings' when a project had got on the deathmarch and now they just call them 'standups'.

  40. Management newspeak by LordNacho · · Score: 1

    This is just having it both ways. Steve Jobs does the stairs, while Tim Cook does the finances. Is that delegating or micromanagement? To anyone with common sense, it's both.

    More common sense, dressed up as management lessons: you need to know what you're doing, and a large business is too big for you to do everything. No kidding, I always wondered why Amazon actually has more than one employee.

  41. useless comparisons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this any way applicable to a small business? Once it's an empire, the leaders can do whatever they want. A small business doesn't have the luxury to micromanage every little piece of erroneous garbage. The existence of this pervasive obsession with data collection damages our economy and our goals more than any other force by far. If data collection and predictive analysis can only be competently done by the very top, then really what's the point? Unfortunately the predictive analysis is usually spot on. It's already happened with Walmart.

  42. What I took away from this article... by GarethIwanFairclough · · Score: 1
    "Finally, it takes a strong, trusted team to be a micromanager. Could Steve Jobs have spent weeks with the iPhone design team if there was no one else to mind the store?"

    You know what this piece made me think? It made me think that micromanaging wasn't what made these guys successful. No, I'm thinking that it was having good/great people behind them that made them into such successes. In my experience micromanaging needs to have the right leader for the right team to work. If one of those two are wrong then the whole exercise just leads to a bag of shit. A bag of shit for the employees, a bag of shit for the boss, a bag of shit for investors and a bag of shit for corporate.

  43. Yet another Steve Jobs story.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Steve Jobs, Mickey Drexler, and Jeff Bezos all ...

    Yet another Steve Jobs story masquarading as something more general.

    Any details on the other chaps? They're still alive

  44. Using a sample of three ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... out of thousands of succesful business leaders sure is a good way to make a point.

  45. Uhhh... yeah... right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So I've been in the working world for 20 years now. I've worked for a lot of managers/directors/VPs. I can ASSURE you that the micromanagers are IMPOSSIBLE to work for.

    Whoever wrote this article is probably an insecure micromanager himself, and is trying to justify his neurotic compulsion to control everything at every level of detail.

  46. There *IS* a *USEFUL* theory....Pareto's Rule!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pareto's rule states: There are the critical few and the trivial many.

    Jobs exemplified that -- focusing deeply on the critical "does the product have Wow!" and delegating the trivial many problems of Apple to experts, such as how do we actually make the product?

    Micromanagement is focus on the trivial many, rather than delegating out those details to those who can do them well enough.

  47. But being passive aggressive is even better by gelfling · · Score: 1

    Because I don't know about you but there's nothing better than being nanomanaged by someone who can't even be happy with anything you do especially if it's to the tiniest detail the exact thing they demanded on the 50th revision of the thing they told you to do but endlessly tweaked and corrected.

    Yeah that's the shit. That's great. I tell you it's even better when the nanomanager has OCD so they constantly go over and over and over and over and over the same things the same way making an infinitesimal change then changing it back then changing it back again.

    But the best I mean the really really best thing of all is when your nanomanager scolds you in public for dragging your heels because that 100th change just wasn't perfect enough or on time.

  48. kill all the managers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    all workers will be liberated when the last manager is dead

  49. Re:Steve Jobs fails as a person by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dying because of woo makes him a failure as a sentient being. All the money and fame can't change that.

    IIRC Jobs' cancer was a type with a 5 year expected survival, i.e. 50% of patients die in less than 5 years from diagnosis. He was lucky in that he didn't contract the more common form of pancreatic cancer, which has something brutal like a 1 year expected survival.

    He made it longer than 5 years. He actually did better than expected.

    I've also read a real cancer doc blogger's posts about Jobs' choices and it sounded like it is very unlikely that his early actions (although somewhat foolish) actually cost him his life. (This would be a blogger whose main purpose in blogging is to fight cancer woo, by the way. His point was that you shouldn't go beyond what the evidence says when rushing to exclaim LOOKIT WOO KILLED PERSON X!!1!!.)