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Leaked Manual Reveals Details On Google's Nexus 5

Features of Google's next Nexus phone have finally been outed, along with confirmation that the phone will be built by LG, as a result of a leaked service manual draft; here are some of the details as described at TechCrunch: "The new Nexus will likely be available in 16 or 32GB variants, and will feature an LTE radio and an 8-megapixel rear camera with optical image stabilization (there’s no mention of that crazy Nikon tech, though). NFC, wireless charging, and that lovely little notification light are back, too, but don’t expect a huge boost in longevity — it’s going to pack a sealed 2,300mAh battery, up slightly from the 2100mAh cell that powered last year’s Nexus 4. That spec sheet should sound familiar to people who took notice of what happened with the Nexus 4. Just as that device was built from the foundation laid by the LG Optimus G, the Nexus 5 (or whatever it’s going to be called) seems like a mildly revamped version of LG’s G2."

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  1. Same with every nexus device by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Every Nexus device going back the very first has been an existing phone with a few minor upgrades at most and a different set of software installed. Why would anyone expect different this time? My only surprise is that Google hasn't started having their Motorola arm manufacture them yet. Probably due to not wanting to push OEMs to other options.

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    1. Re:Same with every nexus device by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think Google is very smart to use other OEMs, as it gives them more scale to compete, keeping the Android market healthier. Motorola and Samsung (in 2013) don't need it, but LG can certainly do with more scale.

    2. Re:Same with every nexus device by creepynut · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Galaxy Nexus was pretty much in a league of it's own at the time. Seems like Samsung was really pushing for it.

      The Nexus One was basically an HTC Desire.
      The Nexus S was pretty much a Galaxy S.
      The Nexus 4 is very close (internally) to the LG Optimus G.
      This new Nexus 5 looks like will be based on an LG G2

    3. Re:Same with every nexus device by TheSkepticalOptimist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes but I expect more out of Apple because they brazenly claim to be superior to everyone else, and yet offer trivial updates and no real innovation for the first 6 versions of their iPhone, and even the iPhone 5s refresh is only skin deep in terms of innovation.

      I will start calling Google out when they have gone through 6 intervals of Nexus X devices and nothing has changed except the thickness of the phone, but the differences in Nexus 4 to 5 are more numerous than the differences between even iPhone 4 and iPhone 5, so they have a little more edge on innovation then Apple does.

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  2. Crazy tech? by Adrian+Harvey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I haven't been following closely enough to know what the "crazy Nikon tech" is - anyone care to enlighten me? Google doesn't give relevant info...

    1. Re:Crazy tech? by JYD · · Score: 2

      Sorry wrong link above, but to reiterate, I believe it is the MEMS autofocus that is supposed to be the killer feature.

    2. Re:Crazy tech? by AuMatar · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except that 95% of the market isn't serious about taking photographs. That's why photography studios across the country died- ubiquitous smart phone cameras were good enough. Same for professional photographers- most of them have found new careers, because except for weddings there's no demand anymore.

      Digital camera sales have plateaued and are now decreasing (by 18% year over year worldwide, 43% in north america). Nobody carries a camera around anymore, phones take a good enough picture (probably just as good given the skills of the people using them) and are more convenient to carry- heck you're carrying them anyway. At parties where before a couple people might bring their cameras, now nobody does- they pull out their phone.

      So yeah, a better smart phone camera would address a large market- everyone who enjoys taking photos, but doesn't do art photos. I know a good number of people who tossed their digital cameras away but take the camera into consideration when buying a phone.

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    3. Re:Crazy tech? by spire3661 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The best camera is the one you have with you.

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    4. Re:Crazy tech? by Zuriel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This. A friend was telling me about how superior his early, hard disk based MP3 player was compared to using modern Android or iOS devices. He could plug surround speakers into it, it had an equaliser, etc, etc, etc. So I pulled out my phone and asked him to show his MP3 player to me. He didn't have it with him. Convenience is a completely legitimate advantage. Yeah, a phone camera will always suck compared to a camera that's physically larger, but a camera that you have with you will always take better pictures than a camera that's in a drawer at home.

    5. Re:Crazy tech? by AJH16 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Arguably, the photos most people take with a smartphone are actually better than they would take with a "real" camera. As sensor size increases, sensitivity to focus also increases. If you don't know how to properly use the autofocus of your "real" camera, you'll get a lot of out of focus images. On a camera phone, it's a lot easier and there isn't a whole lot of advantage for a point and shoot over a smartphone.

      If you know what you are doing, the difference between a smartphone and a DSLR is night and day, but most people don't. Note, I say this as a professional photographer that shoots weddings with a Canon 5D Mark iii. I do it as a part time gig specifically because the impact on the market is quite real since the images are good enough for most people and even then, people flood in to the market thinking they can shoot weddings because they had some "good" facebook photos and bought an entry level DSLR with a kit lens.

      The fact is, the main thing that differentiates professional photographers from the amateur has very little to do with the photography. Even if you know how to use the gear perfectly, doing a good, professional job is far more about making the client comfortable, having the experience to avoid being overly noticeable while capturing the key moments, having the ability to interact with people in such a way to get both good posed and candid shots and the ability to run a business and sell yourself. The actual ability to take photos is the easiest 10% of what it takes to do the job.

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    6. Re:Crazy tech? by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Making phone calls what century do you live in?
      I take more picture and shoot more video than calls I make. It is first and foremost a computing device, then a camera lastly a phone.

      Why would I lug my camera everywhere with me? Do I really read my DSLR to take pictures of racks and server ID tags?

  3. This is not at all a mildly revamped G2 by pthisis · · Score: 5, Informative

    the Nexus 5 (or whatever it’s going to be called) seems like a mildly revamped version of LG’s G2.

    No, it really doesn't. The two most-often mentioned features of the G2 are:

    a) The gorgeous 5.2" screen; and
    b) A 3000 mAh battery; and
    c) The rear-panel placement of the only buttons (power/volume), as opposed to the traditional volume rocker on the side that most smartphones have.

    This has none of those--it has a 4.95" screen and a 2300 mAh battery. And the buttons are laid out like a standard smartphone. Those things alone are significant alterations that make these phones different in the most visible and usable ways.

    The G2 also has a 13 megapixel rear camera; this has an 8 mp camera.

    The G2 also has a customized version of Android with knock-on and other features; the Nexus 5, presuming it follows the Nexus pattern, will run a standard Android OS and UI (and get faster OS updates).

    Without digging into it for more than 30 seconds, I see a phone with a different screen, different camera, different battery, different physical button layout, and different UI, and with significantly different physical properties (e.g. wireless charging on the Nexus)--these might be distant cousins, but they are most decidedly not "mildly revamped" versions of the same thing.

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    1. Re:This is not at all a mildly revamped G2 by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Wireless charging is a really big deal too. It's the sort of thing that makes you think "how much easier can it be than just plugging a cable in" but when you have it you find really useful.

      I build a charging pad into my car holder so now I don't need to plug in any wires. Audio is bluetooth to the car stereo. No more USB cables trailing across the dash.

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    2. Re:This is not at all a mildly revamped G2 by pthisis · · Score: 2

      I hope it isn't a mildly revamped G2! The G@ has a below-average loudspeaker

      There are a lot of decent criticisms of the G2. The SlideAside is pointless (and doesn't work with a ton of common Android apps), the screen is too big for some people, the buttons on the back are something you can adjust to but they're needlessly quirky and more prone to accidentally being pressed in your pocket than side-buttons are. I'm still not sold on having the headphone jack on the bottom instead of the top.

      But the speakers? The G2 has virtually perfect frequency response and a very low distortion level according to:

      GSMArena, for one, actually measure the volume. ...who also measure frequency response and other components of sound quality.

      They note that the speaker on the G2 is better than average sound quality, though average volume-wise. There's absolutely nothing in their tests indicating a below-average speaker:

      http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g2-review-982p8.php

      The LG G2 showed nicely clean output in both parts of our traditional audio quality test. The smartphone got pretty decent scores, but was led down by its volume levels, which were only average.
      The scores stay close to perfect even when you plug in a pair of headphones. The stereo crosstalk worsens a bit but the rest of the readings are virtually unaffected (frequency response actually improves a bit). Unfortunately, the volume levels remained just as uninspiring.

      Which seems like they're heavily over-weighting volume--unless you're hearing impaired enough that you normally max the volume on your handset, then maximum volume is far less important than the audio quality. But even by their weighting, it's still good audio quality with average volume level.

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  4. Does not make sence by giorgist · · Score: 2

    It mentions Bluetooth 4 (page 11) as well as 3 (page 8). It has an entry Java "Android do not support JAVA" (Page 11)

    1. Re:Does not make sence by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Android doesn't support Java. Java is not just the language, it's the APIs as well. Android's version isn't complete or fully compatible with Java, and isn't called Java, and you can't run a Java .jar file on Android.

      From the consumer's point of view their Java apps won't work on Android.

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    2. Re:Does not make sence by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It would be more correct to say that Java doesn't support Android. Nobody is stopping Oracle from making a version of the JVM that runs on Android. It's not like a walled garden with IOS. I'm sure that with all the emulators on the Google Play store, that Google probably wouldn't care if Oracle put up a working version of the JVM on the store.

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  5. We need more memory by ZDroid · · Score: 5, Informative

    The most of Android users captures high-res photos and high-res videos, downloads movies etc. That things waste memory very easily.

    Here is no 64 GB version, and N5 lacks MicroSD card slot, like the most of new phones.

    1. Re:We need more memory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's hard to spy on your locally stored content. Why not upload you geotagged videos and pictures to the cloud so we can send you targetted advertising?

    2. Re:We need more memory by gbjbaanb · · Score: 2, Insightful

      more than that, if I want to transfer a few gig of music or movies to my phone, its much easier to slip the sd card out and put it in a reader on my PC. Or better - swap with a sd card that already has the required files present (ie I have 2).

      the other thing that I always worry about is the battery. I have had to reboot my old Galaxy S1 by removing the battery before now. What do I do if it really goes belly up and needs a hard reset?

  6. Re:I want a Nexus 3 by AuMatar · · Score: 2

    They still sell smaller phones in HVGA sizes. There's not a lot of demand for them though- they're difficult to use (fonts are so small most people can't click on links well), the keyboards are almost impossible to manipulate, and there's so little screen real estate that most apps won't fit on them. Basically there so annoying to use most people who want that size prefer a cheap dumb phone.

    For myself, I want something even bigger- I'll be picking up either a note 3 or a galaxy mega in the next few weeks. I want the biggest screen that will still fit in my pocket, it makes actually using the phone for internet, apps, or navigation MUCH easier.

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  7. Re:Confused about the numbers by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the US, a comma is used to separate millions, thousands, hundreds, etc. A period is used to separate whole numbers from decimals. So 2,300 is 200 more than 2100.

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  8. FM Radio by Utopia · · Score: 2

    Interestingly, the manual radio says "FM Radio - Yes".
    I don't recollect a Nexus device with a functioning FM Radio.

    1. Re:FM Radio by Sinical · · Score: 2

      The Nexus One has FM radio hardware (accessible if you install Cyanogen -- I am not sure if any stock Android builds enabled support). I kept mine after getting a Nexus 4 for this very reason.

    2. Re:FM Radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      One of the radio chips in these phones does FM because it was a throwaway feature, "Hey, since we've done all this already we could build an FM radio, it'd add like 1% to the transistor budget" "Sure, we'll add it to the feature list". So CyanogenMod enables that, because why not. In some jurisdictions being able to receive FM radio is a legal problem (no, that doesn't make any sense, why would it need to?), so since FM radio is rarely a deal breaker for people buying phones the stock Android leaves it disabled.

      This happened in the late MP3 days as well, cheap Far Eastern suppliers would build a generic chipset that played say six audio formats, supported five different common models of LCD panel, and so on, and they'd throw in FM radio because it was easy. But then brand name companies would ask for a firmware version that removed the FM radio and added their branding because in one country they ship to FM radios are a legal problem and they'd rather not have two variants of "their" MP3 player.

      So you'd be able to buy like a Hitachi MP3 player for $20 that claimed to play MP3, WAV and WMA and nothing else, but if you flashed it with firmware from the supposedly unrelated $15 MP3 player from some Taiwanese novelty electronics firm you've never heard of you'd get all the same plus Ogg Vorbis, AU and AAC, an FM radio, a three level backlight instead of two levels, but now your volume buttons work upside down...

    3. Re: FM Radio by Sigg3.net · · Score: 2

      So what you're saying is that FM was like the Bluetooth of the 90s/00s. Everywhere and mostly useless. But neat.

    4. Re:FM Radio by Cederic · · Score: 2

      How quaint. I have unlimited 3G data.

      Then again, I do have to pay £16/month and despite the unlimited texts, unlimited same-network calls and unlimited landline calls I do only get 2500 'free' minutes.

      I'd switch to a cheaper provider but I'm on a one-month rolling contract and I've already paid for next month.

  9. Re:Confused about the numbers by Shimbo · · Score: 2

    Properly, one should be using (thin) spaces with SI units; I would link to NIST but they seem to have taken the day off.

  10. Re:I want a Nexus 3 by jrumney · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't care if its fancy, I just want an up to date android version and the basic hardware features.

    Sadly, it looks like mostly we are moving to larger phones with more bloated software that requires fancy CPUs and lots of batteries

    No sadly, it looks like mostly we are moving to a world full of people who want things while simultaneously not wanting them. The price you pay for an up to date Android version rather than the crawling JavaME engine in your dumb phone of 6 years ago, is a fancy CPU and the battery to power it. Put these phones side by side and tell me again that the difference in battery drain is caused by software efficiency not improving. Oh, and try to actually use your JavaME engine while you're at it, and see how it is on the battery. A major part of the reason why the batteries on your 6 year old dumb phone lasted so long is that it spent the majority of its life sitting in your pocket on cell-standby, because lets face it, it wasn't much use for anything else was it?

  11. Re:"sealed" battery by jcdr · · Score: 2

    You can find how to service the battery at the end of the manual, page 272. Basically in involve the back cover, 6 screws and 2 connectors. It's not that difficult but certainly most of users will be afraid to do this alone. But I think that the biggest problem will be to buy the battery part at a fair price 3 or 4 years from now.

    Like for the standard USB power adapter, a standard range of phone batteries could be an advantage in the long term for the end users.

  12. Re:Verizon? by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

    I hope not.
    You cannot get a nexus device on verizon. The galaxy nexus is not a real nexus, nor would any future device. Mine is still on 4.2.2 as of right now. I will be leaving verizon over this and I suggest you do too.