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11-Year-Old Coloradan Will Brew Beer In Space, By Proxy

minty3 writes "An 11-year-old Colorado boy may have found a way to literally make a beer that's out of this world. Michal Bodzianowski, a sixth grader at Douglas County's STEM School and Academy in Highlands Ranch, Colo., recently won a national competition where his beer-making experiment will be flown to the International Space Station." Noting that beer is safer than contaminated water, Bodzianowski pointed out that beer could be useful “in future civilization as an emergency backup hydration and medical source."

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  1. Very safe indeed by pesho · · Score: 3, Funny

    Noting that beer is safer than contaminated water, Bodzianowski note that beer could be useful “in future civilization as an emergency backup hydration and medical source."

    Yeah, nothing is safer in a confined zero-G environment full of electronics, than a liquid electrolyte pressurized with toxic gas. Don't believe me? Here, have a beer and we can go ever the details.

    1. Re:Very safe indeed by intermodal · · Score: 2

      You're dealing with assumptions that aren't stated here. Nowhere did Bodz specify only in a spacecraft. Colonization could find extensive use for beer.

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    2. Re:Very safe indeed by rgbatduke · · Score: 5, Informative

      The "healthier than water" part comes from hundreds of years ago when Beer was cleaner than water.

      Or, the 10 seconds ago where beer is still cleaner than water in much of the world. I grew up in India, under "water discipline" -- drink only water that has been boiled (possibly in e.g. the form of tea) or drink coca-cola (nothing lives in coke!) or drink beer. When we went on long road trips and ran low on water, I drank Golden Eagle way back when I was seven or eight years old. Over seven years, I never got amoebic dysentery, cholera, or more than the usual (mild) viral enterics because I never, ever, drank unboiled water.

      If I returned to India tomorrow, I would probably follow exactly the same discipline, possibly with more beer and less tea or coke. Wouldn't you?

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    3. Re:Very safe indeed by TheCarp · · Score: 2

      I wonder how it would work if it were in a soft walled bag. As the yeast produces CO2 faster than it enters solution (which I can easily verify happens at STP by taking a trip to the carboy in my kitchen), then wouldn't surface tension and finite volume allow the bag to inflate leaving a definite liquid vs gas areas? Just because the "head space" isn't at the top doesn't mean there isn't any.

      I have seen the water ball demonstrations that crazy astronaut had up on youtube. Water in absence of gravity seems to ball up, and is able to be held in place with surface tension. Seems you could brew without any container at all if it wasn't for needing some way to keep oxygen away.

      Maybe you brew in a box, gathehering the wort in a floating ball inside the box, not touching the sides. Vent from the sides using CO2 pressure (keeping out the O2) and clean out yeast by moving it into a centrifuge, or filtering after fermentation.

       

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  2. Who Judges These Things? by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 5, Funny

    >> recently won a national competition...

    ...judged by the astronauts scheduled for that mission.

    Surprisingly, the kid with the poo to food recycling experiment lost again this year.

  3. Re:dehydrates by Luthair · · Score: 3, Informative

    It dehydrates when over 10% content

  4. Re:Absolutely disgusting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'd consider meth if it was sold by cute girls loitering outside stores in military uniforms. As long as they didn't look like they were going to stab me.

    Anyway, this should be a good test of science. Beer in space, sounds like a good combination (probably better than meth in space to be honest). It should be better than the "vodka" those Russians make out of old tang.

  5. Re:Yeah sure by idontgno · · Score: 2

    It works for dwarves.

    Clearly, what's being prototyped here is a hybrid of Dwarf Fortress and Kerbal Space Program.

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  6. New definition by dieu1979 · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's the new moonshine

  7. Re:Absolutely disgusting by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

    What exactly is wrong with that?
    Methamphetamines have all kinds of medical uses and battlefield preparation can be very useful.

    Oh yeah you're just a shitty troll.

  8. This is so last quarter... by BreakBad · · Score: 2, Informative

    What next, the five year old girl gets flown to the capitol to cook a batch of meth in the bathtub?

    You obviously haven't taken the tour of the white house.

    1. Re:This is so last quarter... by cellocgw · · Score: 2

      What next, the five year old girl gets flown to the capitol to cook a batch of meth in the bathtub?

      You obviously haven't taken the tour of the white house.

      Well, *that* explains why White House tours were cancelled last year.

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  9. Re:11-year-old? by h4rr4r · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why?
    If it was suitably low alcohol it would be fine. Think 1% or so. Why not for grownups?

    Stupid troll is stupid.

  10. Re:Yeah sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    For centuries before potable drinking water became widespread, beer was the beverage of choice. It wasn't strong beer, but what would be called "small beer," which was maybe 1-2% ABV. It's safer than untreated water, beer must be boiled in the brewing process. No known harmful microorganisms will grow in beer, though some which give it an off taste will. When given the choice between a possibly unsafe water source and beer, beer is the best choice.

  11. Centrifuge by Scottingham · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would imagine that you would have to centrifuge it to get the yeasties to settle properly as they do back on Terra Ferma. Also, I doubt the bubble airlock would work properly in zero g as well.

    The concept is still pretty interesting though. I wonder how the yeast-sugar interaction would be in zero g.

    1. Re:Centrifuge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      One of the thoughts I had was wort boiling in a vacuum, without using heat. I'd pay to see that!

      Wouldn't help. It's the heat that isomerizes the alpha acids in the hops, not the fact that the water is boiling.

      Now, you could use vacuum to do low-temperature distillation fairly easily.

  12. Re:Absolutely disgusting by wisnoskij · · Score: 2

    Didn't you learn anything in basic chemistry, you need a boiling flask to make meth.

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  13. Re:Yeah sure by rjlouro · · Score: 3, Interesting
  14. better article from denver newspaper by peter303 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Here.
    That STEM school is about a mile from where I am typing this. But I dont know much about it.

  15. Re:Yeah sure by mlts · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is what people in ancient Egypt did, because water in/around the Nile wasn't exactly mountain stream pure.

    With enough alcohol to kill the bad bugs, a beer can do a good job at getting rid of thirst but without getting people too drunk or dehydrated.

    There are brewing recipes for homebrewers from those times (how authentic, I have no clue). It might be interesting to brew a "small beer", and see how it works versus say, Gatorade.

  16. Re:Um no by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All this article tells me is that the judges were idiots and Colorado alcoholic rednecks start pretty young.

    Right. And I'm sure that NASA didn't consider any of these things before they decided it would be sent up on a payload, and the The National Center for Earth and Space Science Education haven't considered any of these issues. Nosiree. Just a bunch of idiots who lack your brilliant insight.

    Or, alternatively, it's an experiment which has merit, which is why it was selected.

    My money is on the latter option.

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  17. Re:dehydrates by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

    Not any normal beer.
    Drinking beer only on vacation is a great way to avoid traveler's diarrhea.

  18. Re:from the in-10-years-he-can-try-it-legally dept by zymurgyboy · · Score: 2

    It'll probably be pretty gross though. The brewing process (on earth at least) is fairly dependent on gravity. Once the primary fermentation ends, yeast, proteins, and other biproducts naturally drop out (and become the stuff called trub). The beer is sucked off the top and bottled/kegged, leaving that stuff behind. Fining agents, if they are used, forced the process of coagulating some of these things and help them fall to the bottom, but they also rely on gravity to work. Assuming this stuff is brewed in zero G, it would be the most unfiltered beer you ever had. Unfilterd is all the rage these days, at least.

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  19. Re:Yeah sure by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

    Hops are a fairly recent addition to beer. Certainly not something that the ancient cultures used.

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  20. Re:11-year-old? by Swampash · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The pathological aversion to any combination of children and alcohol is a Puritan thing that seems unique to the USA.

    I live in wine country Australia, and the local high school not only has winemaking as part of the curriculum but the school has a cellar door. Wine sales 9am-3pm Mon-Fri.

    My 8-year-old son can pick the difference between Syrah and Grenache.

    I'll never forget my first family holiday to the USA, I would have been 15 years old. Sitting at a restaurant in Anaheim recovering from a day pounding the paths of Disneyland, waiter comes up to the table to take our drinks orders; when I got to me I asked "what beers do you have on tap here?" The waiter sputtered a bit in confusion then explained to me that he could not serve alcohol to a 15-year-old no matter what my preference of beer was. My parents just shrugged like "meh, when in Rome," and I had a soda.

    Weird.

  21. Re:11-year-old? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    But this is American beer, The crew can just piss in a cup and save the time and effort

  22. Re:Absolutely disgusting by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

    Look up "I noticed after I hit submit and slashdot has no edit button".

  23. Re:Um no by cusco · · Score: 2

    I've noticed before, you really don't know much history. Medieval Europeans were possibly the filthiest people in the history of humanity. Rivers were so contaminated that a modern Westerner would likely die after a glass full of water, and wells were actually worse. Everyone who could afford to drank beer or watered wine, the poorest of the poor drank water and frequently died of it. Boiling water to make beer kills pretty much everything in the water, the yeast reproduction crowds out most of its competition, and the change in PH ensures that anything that manages to survive won't be able to reproduce. The alcohol is pretty incidental to the process, and the alcohol content in most beers isn't high enough to act as a diuretic.

    Beer can serve to wash wounds for the same reason as urine can; it's clean water. It's not the best thing to use, but it's not hard to imagine situations where it's the best thing available.

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