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New High Tech $100 Bills Start To Circulate Today

Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "New $100 bills made their debut today in the U.S. They include high tech features designed to make it easier for the public to authenticate but more difficult for counterfeiters to replicate. Those measures include a blue, 3-D security ribbon, as well as color-shifting ink that changes from copper to green when the note is tilted (PDF). That ink can be found on a large '100' on the back of the bill, on one of the '100's' on the front, and on a new image of an ink well that's also on the front. 'The $100 is the highest value denomination that we issue, and it circulates broadly around the world,' says Michael Lambert, assistant director for cash at the Federal Reserve Board. 'Therefore, we took the necessary time to develop advanced security features that are easy for the public to use in everyday transactions, but difficult for counterfeiters to replicate.' The bill was originally due to reach banks in 2011, but three years ago the Federal Reserve announced that a problem with the currency's new security measures was causing the bills to crease during printing, which left blank spaces on the bills. This led the Feds to shred more than 30 million of the bills in 2012. The image of Benjamin Franklin will be the same as on the current bill, but like all the other newly designed currencies, it will no longer be surrounded by an dark oval. Except for the $1 and $2 bill, all U.S. paper currency has been redesigned in the last 10 years to combat counterfeiting."

302 comments

  1. Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by madhatter256 · · Score: 0

    The new $100 bill looks similar to the euro bill. Who knows, pretty soon all of our currency will look the same and eventually become one currency, and we all know what that will bring...

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    1. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by slick7 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The new $100 bill looks similar to the euro bill. Who knows, pretty soon all of our currency will look the same and eventually become one currency, and we all know what that will bring...

      It is the same, it's backed by nothing. The gold is gone, where's the gold? The silver is gone, where's the silver?

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    2. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Alomex · · Score: 0

      Let me FTFY:

      It is the same, it's backed by nothing material. It's a promissory note from the issuing government, just like, say, company issued debt .

    3. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What's gold and silver backed by? Oh yeah, that's right nothing but our imagination.

    4. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

      Money is like a strapless evening dress on a 70 year old: It's held up by the collective belief that anything is better than having to see it drop.

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    5. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by AK+Marc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It was never backed by gold. It was always backed only by promises. There was not enough gold to pay back if every dollar was brought in for a gold payout.

    6. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by gsgriffin · · Score: 1

      The 'Old Man' at the Gold and Silver Pawn Shop in Las Vegas has all the silver. Smart man!

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    7. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With a fiat currency, the value is backed by our ability to pay our debt bonds. That's how a fiat currency works. On 10/17/2013, it's value will spiral to worthlessness.

    8. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      oh please. It has had value since humans placed value on things. At least it has intrinsic value unlike paying debt with debt. Oh wait, you can't even do that. I can discharge debt with debt or set off debt, but I can NEVER pay it because the US gov made doing that illegal. Well then I will just set off my debt and have them pay it with the money (gold) they stole from everyone in 1930's.

    9. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What's gold and silver backed by? Oh yeah, that's right nothing but our imagination.

      So long as chicks will put out for shiny things, men will value gold and silver.

    10. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      The difference is that if a company goes out of business, bond holders get first dibs on the stuff - land, buildings, equipment, stock, patents, etc so that they can sell if off and recoup something. You buy the bond after evaluating the risks and rewards. Government issued money must be used whether you want to or not and if the issuer "goes out of business", you are left with nothing.

    11. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Only difference is, European paper money quality has been so much better for a long time, that the largest notes are about 5...10x higher in denomination, even before the Euro. The largest one is 500EUR ~ 679USD.

      US paper money sucked badly for a far longer time than the stuff used by the rest of the world. Well, better (very) late than never. You may consider $200 and $500 bills next. Well, maybe in 20 or 30 years when your tech has caught up.

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    12. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by icebike · · Score: 1

      It was never backed by gold.

      But it was once backed by SILVER, an it said so right on the face of Silver Certificates, which you could turn in for actual silver. Allegedly.

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    13. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Idarubicin · · Score: 2

      The gold is gone, where's the gold?

      And the gold was backed by...?

      It's awesomely shiny, and it has a small number of specialty scientific and industrial uses, but gold as gold isn't all that intrinsically valuable as a mineral; it's just rather rare and something that a number of societies historically used as one convenient medium of exchange.

      You can't eat it. You can't drink it. You can't shoot someone with it. You can't get other people to do stuff in exchange for it unless there is a stable enough society that the recipients anticipate being able to trade it in turn.

      Its market value is significantly more variable and volatile than that of the major fiat currencies. The price of gold backed with pure gold isn't stable or reliable from year to year, I can't imagine why we would expect a currency backed with it to be magically better.

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    14. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He didn't specify the gender of the 70-year old. Any misogyny here is your own.

    15. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Austrian+Anarchy · · Score: 1

      It was never backed by gold.

      But it was once backed by SILVER, an it said so right on the face of Silver Certificates, which you could turn in for actual silver. Allegedly.

      You can still turn your bills in for gold, silver, zinc, or BTC. You just have to trade it with someone besides the government.

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    16. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if Congress decides to flush the whole thing down the drain.

      We aren't in a position where we can't pay. We're in a position where we'll choose not to pay because Congress is throwing a fucking temper tantrum.

    17. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      It was backed by the same promises as a fiat currency. Show up at Fort Knocks with a truckload of silver certificates, and you are at the mercy of the government for the conversion. It was always "faith-only", there was just some theoretical link between it and some commodity. In invasion, they'd be canceled. There was also not enough metal to back them all. So the non-fiat currency was still fiat, just revisioned to the Golden Age by the modern gold bugs.

    18. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the gold was backed by...?

      Humans have considered gold a valid medium of exchange since before recorded history. Unless society reverts to a totally barter based economy, which is so impractical no one has every done so when there was an alternative, humans will always consider gold a valid medium of exchange.

    19. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by turbidostato · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "It has had value since humans placed value on things."

      Correction: it has been GIVEN value since humans placed value on things. You can't eat gold, right? you can't shelter with gold, right?

      Now, think of it. Gold has value because people gave it value. This means that other things can have value as long as people gives value to them. Pretty papers with a portrait of a famous dead guy, for instance.

    20. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by icebike · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, you could go to any Federally Charted bank and get Silver Dollars (which at that time were in fact silver).

      You didn't need a truckload, you could do it bill by bill. Only after 1968 did they abrogate the promise
      of silver. This was preceded by a years notice, and was sort of a big deal at the time.

      I distinctly remember many people gathering silver certificates and turning them in for silver granules.
      This they thought was a hedge against inflation. Shortly after 1968, the price of silver crashed, and many sold at a loss.
      By 78, silver had doubled from its 68 price, and by 88, it had risen ten fold.

      It was only the bills marked Hawaii and North Africa that cold be canceled upon invasion.

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    21. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 2

      And the gold was backed by...?

      "Backed" is the wrong word, but the factor that has made gold a trustworthy currency for millenia, one people are eager to receive and reluctant to part with, is scarcity.

      In terms of "backing", Federal Reserve notes and gold are on the same footing. Neither is backed by anything else. The difference is that there is no practical limit to the number of FRNs in circulation, which means that if the Federal Reserve so chooses your currency could have half the purchasing power tomorrow that it has today. Admittedly that is very unlikely, but no one has that kind of influence over the price of gold, because it can't simply be created on demand.

      A currency which is backed by something represents a liability against the issuer to provide a fixed amount of that something on demand in exchange for each unit of the currency. The United States used to have this form of paper currency; in going off the gold standard the U.S. government repudiated its very real debts as the currency's issuer.

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    22. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by osu-neko · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It has had value since humans placed value on things.

      Ah, good, at least you understand where value comes from (and thus fundamentally agree with the person you were responding to), rather than believing in magical fairy tales like "intrinsic value" or such nonsense...

      At least it has intrinsic value...

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    23. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is irrelevant to the question at hand. That something "has value" is as relevant to the question as saying a glass "has liquid" and therefore all of them can be considered equally full.

      I can have a deep certainty that bird droppings have value. I'm "people", I "gave it value". Care to trade some for your gold?

      Thought not. That there are myriad factors involved in the valuation does not make the valuation arbitrary, and the rational course of action is to value what holds value. The same amount of gold would buy a top-of-the-line set of clothes in ancient Rome as would buy a high-end suit today. The same cannot be said for dollars over 20 years. That's a real issue, and handwaving that value is make-believe won't change that.

    24. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      magical fairy tales

      *citation needed

      Of course, it isn't "magical fairy tales", and this is so obvious I'll just go ahead and say, not that you are misinformed, or disingenuous, but rather that you are simply an outright liar.

      And, I stand ready to trade my dirt for your gold, since you insist neither has intrinsic value. Just change your mind about your gold being valuable (though, you've denied it already), since it's all in your head--no problem, right?

    25. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rarity, dimwit.

    26. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by anubi · · Score: 1

      I can tell you right now that the bird droppings can have far more value than gold.

      Situation: The "system" has collapsed. Its hard to get anything - its simply not there. You have some land, and you can grow stuff there... but the soil is poor...

      If I were on the Titanic when it was going down, you can bet your bottom dollar that the old styrofoam cooler box with the broken lid is more valuable to me than a satchel full of gold coin.

      The only reason gold was considered of value is because it represented the work it took to mine it; it could not be simply signed into existence like today's dollar.

      I took a big hit on this personally about six years ago, as everything I knew indicated petroleum and rights to it represented a far more stable store of wealth than, say, an American Dollar, which can be printed up in unlimited quantities. I considered the petroleum valuable because of the work it could do, not for what it looked like or what other people valued it as... remember milk pogs?

      Yet I watched people sell off their petroleum stocks en masse in a "flight to safety", US Treasuries. Selling off their ownership of petrochemical industry for pieces of paper with a dead president on it. I bought as much oil stuff as I could, and by golly I am hanging onto it.

      We may be basking in fracking now, but I know from personal experience how fast a fart flies. I am an old man, and old men have quite a repertoire of experiences with how fast gas passes.

      It amazes me that diamonds have any worth at all to speak of. They can be made in a lab. They make fine abrasives, and have some interesting thermal and optical properties, but as a store of wealth? Again, compare to milk pogs. If we want some, just make some. It will require energy though, and that's why I thought energy investments would be the most critical thing in our world today. Yes, I read the comments on the Slashdot story, and still am of extremely mixed emotions on it. A helluva lot of cognitive dissonance going on in me. Enough to drive me crazy.

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    27. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck off, radfem.

    28. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Assuming you're a straight male, I'm guessing that you haven't seen Raquel Welch lately.

    29. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Humans have considered gold a valid medium of exchange since before recorded history.

      During recorded history, actually. It was the discovery of touchstone which made it practical.

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    30. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of old... I'm fairly sure if somebody pulled a Reagan era $100 note from a matress somewhere, it's still spendable. Anti-counterfeit measures are only good as the oldest version of currency still being accepted.

    31. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Idarubicin · · Score: 2

      if the Federal Reserve so chooses your currency could have half the purchasing power tomorrow that it has today. Admittedly that is very unlikely, but no one has that kind of influence over the price of gold, because it can't simply be created on demand.

      This, right here, is the usual logical error that gold bugs typically make. While the physical amount of gold in existence can't readily be changed (we'll neglect the small amount of 'new' gold added to the economy through mining), the supply of gold - reserves available for sale - and the overall demand for gold are very much vulnerable to both general volatility and deliberate manipulation. Changes in supply and demand in turn significantly shift the perceived value of gold, leading to swings in its market price and in its effective purchasing power.

      This has been illustrated quite graphically over the last few years. Fifteen years ago, gold was trading below $300 US per ounce. Ten years ago, it was pushing $400. Five years ago, it was around $900. A year ago, it was nudging $1800. Now it has slid back down to $1300, and shows no sign of slowing its decline. There was a similar spike around 1980. There wasn't a sudden reduction in the amount of gold in the world over the last decade or so, but for some reason the price of an ounce increased six-fold (before plummeting again). Either U.S. dollars really did lose five-sixths of their value between 1998 and 2012 - a conclusion not supported by their ability to buy pretty much any good, commodity, or foreign currency - or the 'intrinsic' value of gold generally accounts for only a relatively small portion of its market price, and the majority of its 'value' is just as imaginary as that of any fiat currency.

      A currency which is backed by something represents a liability against the issuer to provide a fixed amount of that something on demand in exchange for each unit of the currency. The United States used to have this form of paper currency; in going off the gold standard the U.S. government repudiated its very real debts as the currency's issuer.

      The price of gold under the various iterations of the gold standard was stable not because of gold's intrinsic value, but because the currency (or currencies) pegged to it had a perceived stable value. In a very real and practical sense, the strength of the U.S. dollar was backing the price of gold for much of the 20th century, and not the other way around.

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    32. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by LandDolphin · · Score: 1

      The difference is scarcity.

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    33. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry but gold has had multiple uses throughout history, from sutures (first used by the Romans IIRC) to computer chips. Gold and silver isn't just given value because "hurr..looks purty" because if that were the case there are plenty of metals that look purity but they aren't valued like gold and silver, the reason why is obvious and that is because both gold and silver are easy to work and have multiple applications.

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    34. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me FTFY.

      It is the same, it's backed by military intimidation. It's a promissory note from an unregulated central bank, which is nothing like, say, company issued debt.

    35. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Paper has had multiple uses throughout history, too.

      The applied functionality of silver and gold historically has little to do with its importance as a store of value. Both are far more useful in modern times than in the distant past. The main driver of its value was its (apparent) scarcity at the time, relative ease of extraction from ore, and amenability to shaping into coins. Its actual utility was not a factor.

      What "purty" metals are you thinking of with far lower value that might qualify and were not used as currency?

    36. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by dryeo · · Score: 1

      The claim is that there were more paper dollars then there was actual silver. If the government issues (numbers made up) $10 million in silver certificates and only has $5 million in bullion you can not exchange it all for silver. The gamble is that half the people won't actually try to exchange their paper for silver and it is a pretty good gamble.
      I heard an interview with someone who figured even now that there is about 7 times the amount of paper gold as real gold. Whether true or not I don't know but it is easy to believe.

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    37. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by dryeo · · Score: 2

      Speaking of old... I'm fairly sure if somebody pulled a Reagan era $100 note from a matress somewhere, it's still spendable. Anti-counterfeit measures are only good as the oldest version of currency still being accepted.

      Here in Canada most stores won't take old large ($50-$100) bills so you have to take them to a bank. The bank tellers usually have enough experience to spot most counterfeits.

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    38. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by dryeo · · Score: 1

      You can't shoot someone with it.

      Wouldn't gold make wonderful bullets? Denser then lead, it should pack quite a punch.

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    39. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Paranoia has shrunk the size of the bills over the years. Someone might do something illegal with that $1000 or $10000 bill.
      There still are a few $10000 bills around, a Vegas casino IIRC used to exhibit 100 of them.

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    40. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by icebike · · Score: 1

      That may well be true. With regards to gold, it never was used to back paper, but mostly to manage international accounts, and usually with countries which had currency even more leveraged than the US currency.

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    41. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by dryeo · · Score: 1

      I thought that there was paper gold as well. There was real gold in the form of Eagles which raises another problem with a metallic based currency. What is the exchange rate between silver and gold? Are those 10 silver dollars equal to that gold $10 piece? Is it the same value in other markets? Countries have been screwed when all their gold or silver left the country due to being worth more somewhere else.

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    42. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      There's plenty of stuff that's rare that nobody wants.

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    43. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by turbidostato · · Score: 2

      "I'm sorry but gold has had multiple uses throughout history, from sutures (first used by the Romans IIRC) to computer chips."

      Yeah, and it was used to store and represent wealth because, you know, it's good to have some ounces of it in case you have to practice a suture. C'mon, man, C'mon.

      I'll tell you exactly why it was chosen:
      * First and foremost because humans are capable of abstraction and so, we can cognitate in terms of "look, this is gold, but let's pretend it is not gold but wealth". In other words, it has value because there is a common understandment that we'll give value to it.
      * It's scarce enough that it takes considerable work to take it out of land, so it's no danger of a repent market flood, you want some stability on its meaning.
      * It's soft and malleable, so you can fractionalize it with ease.
      * It's dense, so you can agree to represent a good piece of wealth in low volume: you don't want to trade a day's worth of effort for the volume of a house.
      * It's stable, so you can use it to store wealth. You don't want your wealth to vanish in short term all by itself.
      * Hurr... looks purty so, why not?

      You see, all its properties comes from an abstractions and its ability to sustain the meaning of that abstraction. And that's why, in the end, fiat money works exactly the same, because from the begining, it was a matter of puting value onto something, not that this something had a value on itself.

    44. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Dthief · · Score: 2

      yes. by living in or traveling in the US you make an implicit agreement to accept the currency of the land. You can move your business elsewhere if you dont trust the dollar. It would require a lot of effort, but thats your problem if you view it as "backed by nothing". Using this currency also comes with rights of the land, so (independent of whether you want it or not) you get the protections and regulations that come along with it. This is a part of participating in a society where people are not altruistic and we require laws and order, whether or not you agree with all the laws and regulations as they are.

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    45. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by slick7 · · Score: 1

      Rebuttal:
      Gold and silver leaf can be eaten, but I would not make it part of a dietary plan in large quantities.
      The purpose of precious metals backing a currency keeps the currency from being overprinted, no precious metal, no federal note. Granted, the whole federal reserve note thing is completely bogus, instigated by theives, liars and murderers (due to the wars they insist upon having) I believe money is nothing more than a control mechanism used by the power elite. Is a cashless society even possible ala Star Trek? Who would benefit? Who would be deprived? Would there be a necessity for mandatory healthcare? What of education? Being able to pursue advanced degrees without becoming an indentured servant forever is sensible. Precious metals as well as diamonds are manipulated markets. If all the precious metals and gemstones were dumped on the market, they would literally be worthless(?) Society, like a melting pot is a mixture of many ideas and beliefs, however there is a scum that rises to the top, and that scum must be removed to keep the purity of the whole. This is not to be misconstrued with alloys, the introduction of small amounts of diverse substances that create vastly superior products.

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    46. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      It is the same, it's backed by nothing. The gold is gone, where's the gold? The silver is gone, where's the silver?

      Where'd the gold go?
      (I don't know!)
      Where'd the silver go?
      (I don't know!)
      Bitch, where the mothaf**kin' gold at?
      (I don't know!)
      Motherf**k!

    47. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Builder · · Score: 2

      Yeah, but the issuing government is gone. Where's the issuing government?

      Right now, Zimbabwe has a more functional government than the issuing government of the $100 bill.

    48. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      I have a goldbug friend that pays a premium for his "insured" bar somewhere in Europe. He claims he can visit his gold anytime. But all he has is a piece of paper that says they should give him gold. If something bad enough happens that we abandon all currency and only trade metal, what are the chances that he'll be able to withdraw his supposed gold? What proof does he have that they haven't sold that one bar 100 times?

      None. Same as all the other "backed" currency. It'd backed by faith alone.

    49. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Your.Master · · Score: 1

      I don't really see the "dense" argument. If it were less dense, it wouldn't take the volume of a house to represent a day's worth of effort. It would take the same volume, which would have less mass (unless you somehow link it to your "scarcity" point).

      I agree with all the others. Except I don't think understandment or cognitate are words.

    50. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He specified a strapless evening dress. That doesn't specify gender in the same way that "blond haired and blue eyed" doesn't specify race.

    51. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by DrXym · · Score: 1

      Most countries run a new series in parallel with the old one and when the % of old series drops to some point they set a date when it ceases to be legal tender (i.e. shops are not obliged to accept it). After that time someone has to exchange the old notes for new notes in some central bank office where presumably they're very good at spotting fakes. It seems odd that the US wouldn't protect its money in the same way.

    52. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      It was only the bills marked Hawaii and North Africa that cold be canceled upon invasion.

      Inflation? What?

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    53. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by alexander_686 · · Score: 2

      Yes it does. IIRC about 2% of gold goes into these useful things. The rest goes into stockpiles or jewelry (which for many people is a stockpile.)

      In fact we could shut down all gold mines today and use our stockpile of gold for the next thousand years. So in that sense gold is actually more plentiful then copper or iron.

      So I don't think the value of gold is being driven on how useful it is in manufacturing. It is valuable because people deem it is valuable - much like fiat money. (but I will grant that fiat money is easier to debase then gold.)

    54. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullion has value for many reasons.

      1. It is used in jewelry and in manufacturing.
      2. It is rare, but the demand is high.
      3. Gold and Platinum do not tarnish.
      4. Gold and Platinum are highly conductive, and highly dense.

    55. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And I'm guessing you haven't seen her naked.

    56. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by DexterIsADog · · Score: 1

      Sorry to hear you're an old man with tons of oil stocks. The natural gas industry is going to continue to grow for decades, and you may never realize value recovery/growth from oil before you take that long dirt nap.

      Disclaimer: I'm not thrilled about the breackneck expansion of U.S. natural gas exploitation.

    57. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Transphobic.

    58. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      While the physical amount of gold in existence can't readily be changed..., the supply of gold - reserves available for sale - and the overall demand for gold are very much vulnerable to both general volatility and deliberate manipulation.

      No argument there, but the supply of FRNs is far more vulnerable. Deliberate manipulation of the gold supply is limited by the amount of reserves available, and in order to use those reserves for manipulation they have to be dumped on the market well below their current price, which both reduces the scope for future manipulation and costs the entity doing the manipulation dearly.

      This has been illustrated quite graphically over the last few years. Fifteen years ago, gold was trading below $300 US per ounce. ... A year ago, it was nudging $1800. Now it has slid back down to $1300, and shows no sign of slowing its decline. There was a similar spike around 1980. ... the 'intrinsic' value of gold generally accounts for only a relatively small portion of its market price, and the majority of its 'value' is just as imaginary as that of any fiat currency.

      This is typical "bubble" behavior, driven by demand for gold as a hedge against the dollar and an excess of cheap money resulting from the same Fed policies which lead people to seek a hedge in the first place. This sort of thing can happen to any commodity—even the dollar, were anyone inclined to consider the dollar a "safe" investment. Other memorable targets of bubbles in recent history include tech companies and housing. Notice I never said a word about "intrinsic value"; the price of gold is driven by supply and demand like everything else.

      The price of gold under the various iterations of the gold standard was stable not because of gold's intrinsic value, but because the currency (or currencies) pegged to it had a perceived stable value. In a very real and practical sense, the strength of the U.S. dollar was backing the price of gold for much of the 20th century, and not the other way around.

      Causality doesn't really apply here, because under the gold standard—before they started messing with the exchange rates and restricting redemption, and eventually banned private ownership of gold, forcing the switch to unredeemable paper currency—the price of gold and the price of the dollar were one and the same thing. A dollar was a certain amount of gold, and vice-versa. Now, the price (purchasing power) of gold may have hinged mainly on its role in the U.S. economy, but you could say something similar about any currency. The single most important criteria for any currency is marketability.

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    59. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by dave.haku · · Score: 1

      Move to Zimbabwe then.

    60. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by bigfinger76 · · Score: 1

      I wish I could mod this up.

    61. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by icebike · · Score: 1

      It was only the bills marked Hawaii and North Africa that cold be canceled upon invasion.

      Inflation? What?

      Couldn't you just follow the link four posts above and manage the gaps in your education by yourself?

      Invasion. Nothing to do with inflation. There was a war on.

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    62. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by slavdude · · Score: 1

      There were also gold certificates issued: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_certificate#Historic_U.S._gold_certificates_.281863.E2.80.931933.29. The United States was on the gold standard after 1900 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_standard#United_States--scroll down to the post-Civil War section), until 1933.

    63. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by gmanterry · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'll take the gold. I prefer the feel of it in my hand and it will last, with continual fondling, for much more than 5 years.

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    64. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by someSnarkyBastard · · Score: 1

      I stand ready to trade my dirt for your gold

      The value of gold versus dirt is not intrinsic, it is contextual.

      If you and I were on a desert island and I have a cubic meter of arable soil to grow food with (i.e. dirt) and you have a cubic kilometer of gold, I'm gonna hold onto my dirt. Why? Because in the context of being stuck on a desert island, gold does not have much usefulness. It's too soft to make tools, too dense to make a boat or useful building material, and inedible. Dirt on the other hand can be used to grow food, something that I need more than any amount of gold.

      Could you build some useful items out of gold on such an island? Probably. I'm sure it would make some very pretty planters or pipes for irrigation but those pipes would only be useful in conjunction with my dirt so again their value is contextual.

      Ergo, in the (admittedly artificial) scenario I just described, dirt is more value than gold.

    65. Re: Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would renounced US citizenship as soon as I saw Ted Cruiz read green eggs and ham. Just a question after 21 hrs was the guy wearing adult dypers?

    66. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by alexander_686 · · Score: 1

      Well, it makes a little sense. Less dense could mean a 43 pound coin.

      http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2010/11/29/131665627/here-s-what-a-43-pound-coin-looks-like .http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2010/11/29/131665627/here-s-what-a-43-pound-coin-looks-like

      On a more serious note, since gold is dense (and soft) it is harder to debase. Any base metals mixed in will result in a lighter coin. If you are good you can tell without even just by weighing it in your hand.

    67. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by ahabswhale · · Score: 1

      Quality has nothing to do with the lack of higher denominations in the US. That said, I wish there were higher denominations in the US.

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    68. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by icebike · · Score: 1

      Well maybe he should go see how good his paper is?

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    69. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The issue is the same with backed currencies (when there were any). If *one* person claims the metal, they get paid out. If *every* person claims the metal, they don't get paid out. If it's "insurance" for a genuine crisis, it's worthless. If it's just an "investment" (the definition of "investment" being something that increases in value, then gold is not an investment - it's just holding value, while inflation affects currency), the that's something different.

    70. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by icebike · · Score: 1

      Still, don't you suppose a fair number of gold bugs actually took delivery during this last budget meltdown?

      I know this guy in Juneau that took delivery on quite a bit of silver ingots. (More than the two of us could carry in one trip).

      They were an "investment" too, but he had a substantial cache cemented into his basement floor. Being something of an artist at heart, he liked to work in silver, but being a bit of a "Prepper" he liked to keep at least part of his stash at hand.

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    71. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I have no idea how many people hoarded metal, rather than owning certificates for it. The "ownership" numbers don't seem to differentiate, and those that sell remote ownership don't publish how much they have or how much they've sold.

    72. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Builder · · Score: 1

      I moved _from_ Zimbabwe many years ago, but not to the USA.

      Whether you like it or not though, right now Zimbabwe has a more functional government than the USA does. It be run by a despot, against the good of its people and corrupt as all hell, but it's running. People can visit their national parks.

    73. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Crosshair84 · · Score: 1

      Not to mention one other important factor. Ease of detecting counterfeits.

      Touchstones made ascertaining the quality of gold one was trying to use relatively straightforward in the old days. Cutting your gold with copper would get discovered right quick. Today, with Krugerands and 90% junk silver coins it is even simpler to detect a counterfeit. Drop a gold or silver coin from a few inches onto a table. Notice the sound? You don't get that with a copper, zinc, or steel coin. Coins made of those metals also don't have the density of gold or silver. Counterfeits made of plated lead have a "dead" sound to them and are also easy to spot.

    74. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Crosshair84 · · Score: 1

      Here is the "dense" argument in a nutshell.

      I can carry enough gold in my pocket to walk into a dealership and drive out of there in a car. I can carry enough silver in my pocket to go and buy a 40" TV

      Now, try to do the same thing with oil, wheat, or corn.

      That is what they mean by "density". Significant purchasing power in a small volume makes it easily portable to use in transactions.

    75. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "Not to mention one other important factor. Ease of detecting counterfeits."

      You are right. I failed to mention that.

    76. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "Bullion has value for many reasons."

      Wrong. Bullion has a single value: make coins out of it.

      You are right in that it's used for... but that's not what brings value to it: gold nuggets cover all those uses exactly the same.

      What bullion brings to the table is control of market and regulation of origin, exactly what you need to control coin minting.

      And about the ability of noble metals to be a store of wealth, points 3 and half four are right (do not tarnish, which means your wealth doesn't dissipate just with time, and it's highly dense, which means a little coin weights quite enough to seem worthy for quite a lot) but point one (other uses) and two (demand is high) are not, because the alternate and not directly linked to survival uses brings nothing and demand is high because of its use a wealth storage itself.

    77. Re:Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "I don't really see the "dense" argument. If it were less dense, it wouldn't take the volume of a house to represent a day's worth of effort. It would take the same volume, which would have less mass"

      Exactly. And then, try to use a half a gram coin for anything. It just doesn't look proper... well, it doesn't matter *now* because we have a deep understandment that money means wealth just because we agree on that, but it has taken milennia to fully grasp that -and it isn't fully understood even now, if you look at this thread.

      "I don't think understandment or cognitate are words."

      Well, I'm sorry I'm not native English... I'm Spanish, so I tend to use Latin-based words if only because I'm accustomed to then. Cognitate seems not to exist but cognition and cognitive certainly do, hence my mistake.

      Understandment, on the other hand, renders more than 43000 entries on google and its meaning looks, well, quite understandable, so I think its use is proper but, certainly, I'm open to suggestion on alternate words for that.

    78. Re: Looks European.... cue the conspiracy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coward

  2. Soon it will be worth $1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NT

    1. Re:Soon it will be worth $1 by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      It will still be worth 100 USD. No doubt about that.

      It might be worth 1 EUR, though. Well, technically it IS worth an EUR, but we prop that toy money up because we simply got too much of it ourselves.

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    2. Re:Soon it will be worth $1 by gweihir · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Indeed. Currently the rest of the world is very much afraid what would happen when the USD would be valuated at what it is actually worth (hint: Greece may or may not be in better economic shape than the US, it is a close thing). Also China has a lot of USD they do not want to see crash. But as soon as this irrational fear vanishes, anything can happen. And the traditional way out for low-performing countries (tourism) is not open to the US unless the TSA is killed for good.

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  3. $2 bill? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    are 2 dollar bills in circulation? just asking because I haven't seen any.

    1. Re:$2 bill? by Entropy98 · · Score: 1

      are 2 dollar bills in circulation? just asking because I haven't seen any.

      They are, ask for some at the bank.

    2. Re:$2 bill? by umafuckit · · Score: 1
    3. Re:$2 bill? by laie_techie · · Score: 0

      are 2 dollar bills in circulation? just asking because I haven't seen any.

      IIRC, 1976 was the last year fresh $2 bills were minted. Some banks still have a few in stock. They are still worth two bucks.

    4. Re:$2 bill? by Lloyd_Bryant · · Score: 3, Interesting

      There are something like 3 million of them in circulation, and new ones are still being printed periodically. But many people, like yourself, have never actually encountered one.

      (I've heard anecdotes of people trying to spend one being accused of counterfeiting, because the cashier had never seen one and assumed that it was a fraud).

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    5. Re:$2 bill? by Lloyd_Bryant · · Score: 2

      According to our friend Wikipedia, new ones have been printed as recently as last year...

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    6. Re:$2 bill? by JStyle · · Score: 1
    7. Re:$2 bill? by bhetrick · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The banks that don't have them in stock will almost always be willing to include a brick of $2 bills in their next currency order to the Fed if you agree to take all 1000 of them. It takes me about a year to go through a brick just using them for small cash purchases.

    8. Re:$2 bill? by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      that's mostly because people go, "oooo, a crisp $2 bill! hardly ever see those!" and then they stash it somewhere at home

    9. Re:$2 bill? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      2 dollar bills would actually be what I'd forge if I were to. Think about it, it's legal tender, it's an amount where most businesses won't start to make a fuss over and nobody really knows what they should look like.

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    10. Re:$2 bill? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "here" wouldn't, by any chance, be Portland, would it?

      There was a presentation 2 years ago at NodeConf by someone who worked in a vegan strip club in Portland about how she rebuilt the security system using Arduinos, Node and Twilio.

    11. Re:$2 bill? by Qzukk · · Score: 2

      Which is kind of sad, because the back of the $2 bill has been pretty awesome since 1976.

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    12. Re:$2 bill? by SleazyRidr · · Score: 1

      That's exactly what I do, I've got, like, 5 of them.

    13. Re:$2 bill? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's the one. Apparently the Secret Service has been giving them grief for dying the bills red.

    14. Re:$2 bill? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      There's a vegan strip club here that makes change in $2 bills... They say they're "twice as much fun!"

      What the hell is a vegan strip club? The women are viewed as pieces of tofu instead of as pieces of meat?

    15. Re:$2 bill? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PDXer here, received a $2 bill last week.

      Why do vegans give good head?
      Because they are used to eating nuts.

      What do you call a vegan guy who likes to pleasure himself?
      A non-dairy creamer.

    16. Re:$2 bill? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And it's a bill that hardly ever gets used so people pay a great deal of attention to them when they see them. Whether or not people are intimately familiar with them, I don't think drawing a lot of eyes to your counterfeit transactions is very smart idea.

    17. Re:$2 bill? by BancBoy · · Score: 1
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    18. Re:$2 bill? by Tim+the+Gecko · · Score: 1

      And it's a bill that hardly ever gets used so people pay a great deal of attention to them when they see them. Whether or not people are intimately familiar with them, I don't think drawing a lot of eyes to your counterfeit transactions is very smart idea.

      Especially when even genuine $2 bills can get you in trouble.

    19. Re:$2 bill? by LandDolphin · · Score: 1

      GO to the horse track. $2 bets are common, so they use $2 bills for change.

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    20. Re:$2 bill? by laie_techie · · Score: 1

      They've been printed as recent as 2012: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_two-dollar_bill#1976.E2.80.93Present

      Thanks. I guess I was part of the majority who thought they were no longer minted. I must say, though, that the newest $2 bill I've seen was from 1976.

    21. Re:$2 bill? by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      The bills you call 1976 are SERIES 1976 - that has nothing to do with the date it was printed, rather it is the date of the design.

      Currency notes are printed, coins are minted.

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    22. Re:$2 bill? by balbus000 · · Score: 1

      My grandma used to give me birthday money in $2 bills. I still have a little over $100 worth.

  4. All that, and yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And yet they can't do such basic things as, say, change the sizes of the notes so that vision impaired people can tell the difference between a one dollar and ten dollar bill just by checking its length. (Have a look at the Australian notes for an example: each note is seven millimeters longer than the preceding one by value.)

    They'd also do well by dropping the one and two dollar bills, replacing them with coins; the currency has devalued so much, it's not worth keeping the low value notes as notes. You could also make a case for ditching the penny, to boot.

    But hey, what would I know ...

    1. Re:All that, and yet ... by Lloyd_Bryant · · Score: 1

      They'd also do well by dropping the one and two dollar bills, replacing them with coins; the currency has devalued so much, it's not worth keeping the low value notes as notes. You could also make a case for ditching the penny, to boot.

      But hey, what would I know ...

      The government would *love* to be able to discontinue those bills, and replace them with coins. But to date, there have been *two* attempts to replace the $1 bill with a $1 coin, and both have failed miserably because people refused to use them.

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    2. Re:All that, and yet ... by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      not true, the only reason the programs failed was because the government cowardly refused to proactively remove and destroy $1 bills. the lifetime of a $1 bill is only 18 months on average, in two years the country could be converted over

    3. Re:All that, and yet ... by mirix · · Score: 1

      I like how euros (and most European currencies in general, IME) physically scale(d) with value, very handy even for a person with good vision.

      Definitely disagree on the 1/2 bills though. Canada got rid of both years ago, and there's just too much bloody change. I need to get suspenders or something.

      (we did finally kill the penny this year, though. thank god).

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    4. Re:All that, and yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Adopt the Canada system. When they introduced the $1 and $2 coins they actively removed the paper notes from circulation.

      People can try to refuse to adopt, but since the government wont put them back in circulation eventually they are all soaked up.

    5. Re:All that, and yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They don't have to do anything differently than what they do now when it comes to destroying worn out currency. They just have to stop printing new $1 bills and then people would eventually have to use the coins.

    6. Re:All that, and yet ... by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 1

      This was done in Canada, and it worked just like you described. I always wondered why the US didn't do it the same way.

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    7. Re:All that, and yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't replace the $1 bills, how will we tip the strippers?

    8. Re:All that, and yet ... by Golddess · · Score: 1

      The government would *love* to be able to discontinue those bills, and replace them with coins.

      It costs 18.03 cents to mint those dollar coins, but only 5.4 cents to print a one dollar bill. So why exactly would they want to get rid of the paper bill?

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    9. Re:All that, and yet ... by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It costs 18.03 cents to mint those dollar coins, but only 5.4 cents to print a one dollar bill. So why exactly would they want to get rid of the paper bill?

      Because coins can last for decades, whereas paper money has to be continually replaced. I'm sure I read somewhere that the Bank of England heats the building by burning old money, which is replaced by new notes.

    10. Re:All that, and yet ... by mark-t · · Score: 2

      Actually, Canada did not actively remove the $1 bill from circulation right after the $1 coin was introduced. They reduced the printing of $1 bills considerably when they introduced the $1 coin, but what the mint found in the aftermath was that people would tend to use the bills far more frequently than the coins. and this would create above average wear and tear on them. With fewer bills in circulation already, the rate at which bills were needing to be replaced rose significantly, increasing costs, which largely defeated the purpose of introducing the coin in the first place, and they retired the bill about two years after introducing the $1 coin. A couple of years later, they decided to avoid the whole mess they had with the $1 currency entirely by pulling the $2 note at the same time that they started minting $2 coins.

    11. Re:All that, and yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lifespan.

      A typical paper banknote, if Wikipedia is to be trusted, lasts for three years on average before it needs to be destroyed (due to wear and tear, and similar.) Polymer banknotes, according to a New Zealand bank press release, last four times as long - twelve years.

      In comparison, I have coins in my hand, right now, that were minted in 1978. That's thirty five years, and I know for a fact that there are coins out there that have been around for longer. So okay, coins cost three times as much to mint as paper notes - but they last a lot more than three times as long, making the investment worthwhile for the low-value coins.

    12. Re:All that, and yet ... by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 2

      because a coin "lasts" 20 years, and dollar bills only 1.5 years. - so "20 year-dollars" worth of paper bills costs 72 cents vs 18.03.

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    13. Re:All that, and yet ... by vux984 · · Score: 1, Informative

      I like how euros (and most European currencies in general, IME) physically scale(d) with value, very handy even for a person with good vision.

      Whereas I dislike that.

      I think Canada has enough, between the colors, and the tactile feedback.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_currency_tactile_feature

      My grandmother lived a sighted life but her vision is deteriorating with age, and while she is unlikely to ever learn braille she had no problem mastering the new "not really braille" on the new bills. I think its a good solution.

      Definitely disagree on the 1/2 bills though. Canada got rid of both years ago, and there's just too much bloody change. I need to get suspenders or something.

      Heh, i just throw my days change accumulation into a jar and take it the bank every couple months. TD and BMO and others have been rolling out free automated coin sorting machines -- and that works well for me.

      And while I can see the argument that paper was more convenient -- the higher value coins are almost a necessity for modern vending machine prices / parking meters / etc although most are taking plastic now. And I agree with the financial argument that the coin is cheaper for the government to circulate so its an inconvenience I don't object to.

      As for the penny - yeah we agree there - they did a good job on getting rid of the coin, while implementing sensible pricing and rounding policies. Its loss isn't hurting anyone except maybe charities. But I've got to believe there are better ways to collect money for charity than one penny at a time.

    14. Re:All that, and yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      with 5 and 10's of course...

    15. Re:All that, and yet ... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      No... it was not. Canada did not pull the $1 bill from circulation until about 2 years after the coin was introduced.

      They did, however, pull the $2 note from circulation at the same time that they introduced the $2 coin.

    16. Re:All that, and yet ... by sjames · · Score: 1

      The first one was far too easily mistaken for a quarter. No idea about the second one other than the only place I ever actually saw one was from a stamp vending machine.

      I'll bet if they had just said no more $1 notes will be printed, it would have worked fine.

    17. Re:All that, and yet ... by Golddess · · Score: 1

      Bah, of course I'd overlook something so obvious. :P

      Thanks.

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    18. Re:All that, and yet ... by Golddess · · Score: 1

      Thanks. Can't believe I overlooked such an obvious reason. :P

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    19. Re:All that, and yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bills are boring - coins, on the other hand, you get to play games with.

    20. Re:All that, and yet ... by Sardaukar86 · · Score: 1

      You can't replace the $1 bills, how will we tip the strippers?

      A good question. Here in NZ we've long since switched to plastic notes and $1 and $2 coins and I'd say it has been well received. Just looking at a pair of $2 coins from my wallet I can't see any real difference in wear between one minted in 2003 versus the 1990 model. The designs may be different but their lustre is much the same.

      Tipping isn't a big part of Kiwi culture (yet?) but the girls are as well looked-after here as anywhere. Simply flip out a few extra notes as you pay your entry fee - or, more likely, swipe your EFTPOS card - and you'll be given a commensurate number of, ahem, "pussy dollars" to show your appreciation.

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    21. Re:All that, and yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah but selling new notes with a profit is a source of income (in billions).

    22. Re:All that, and yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Revamping the entire bill and coin handling infrastructure in the nation is "basic"?

    23. Re:All that, and yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup.

      The government gets to set the design. Everybody else gets to deal with it.

      If the vending machine manufacturers don't want people's money, they don't have to do a thing. As for the banks, they can update their equipment, or not, as they see fit; considering the amount of money that passes through their hands, though, there's a pretty strong incentive for them to do so without needing any help from the government.

      Now, if the government changes things frequently, then yes, there's a cause for concern. But realistically, this sort of change comes about once every twenty years or longer - so it's not as big an imposition as you might think. The benefits overall are big enough to justify making that change.

    24. Re:All that, and yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was done in Canada, and it worked just like you described. I always wondered why the US didn't do it the same way.

      The usual reason: lobbyists for companies who sell materials to make paper money paid Congress more than the lobbyists for metal mining companies did https://www.google.com/url?url=http://www.rollcall.com/issues/57_114/Dollar-Fight-Is-Paper-Vs-Metal-213304-1.html&rct=j&sa=U&ei=7rBUUuz3Nu2p4APt8YDYAw&ved=0CBwQFjAB&q=senate+house+paper+money+lobby+&usg=AFQjCNEHaDp5HF3HZdzbXy5GpjA5ZTrONQ

    25. Re:All that, and yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you tried to stuff a coin in a stripper's thong? Doesn't go well....

    26. Re:All that, and yet ... by sjames · · Score: 1

      Because the paper bill only lasts 18 months but the coin can go for many years. Don't forget the cost to securely destroy the worn out notes. The notes end up much more expensive.

    27. Re:All that, and yet ... by LandDolphin · · Score: 1

      What about people with OCD? Who cares about them?

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    28. Re:All that, and yet ... by EETech1 · · Score: 1

      Insert Coin!

      (pick a tip hole and go for it!)

    29. Re:All that, and yet ... by schnell · · Score: 2

      Not so obvious at all. Other estimates show very different lifetimes for coins and bills, and conclude that paper bills are actually a much better deal. Check out the great NPR Planet Money story on this very topic.

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    30. Re:All that, and yet ... by Macdude · · Score: 1

      They'd also do well by dropping the one and two dollar bills, replacing them with coins; the currency has devalued so much, it's not worth keeping the low value notes as notes. You could also make a case for ditching the penny, to boot.

      What are you? Some kind of closet Canadian?

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    31. Re:All that, and yet ... by NotQuiteReal · · Score: 1

      No problem... coinage was on my mind since one of my last trips to Europe. I had a pocketful of change, which added up to over $20USD, which would NEVER happen in the US - those UK pound coins are small, but oddly satisfying, and I have no explanation why I came home with a 5 (swiss) franc coin (about $5).., but I guess I'll just have to plan another trip across the pound to spend my spare change :-)

      Coins for $1 and $2 would be fine -- but you do need the $2 also, or else you would end up with "too many" $1 coins on occasion.

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    32. Re:All that, and yet ... by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      The government would *love* to be able to discontinue those bills, and replace them with coins. But to date, there have been *two* attempts to replace the $1 bill with a $1 coin, and both have failed miserably because people refused to use them.

      It's a cultural thing I think - Americans in general hate using change. For some reason or other, they'll just collect coins and toss them in a jar and leave it at that rather than try to spend it.

      For me, I always spend my change - I don't have jars and jars of coins that I'll "sell" back at coin counters for 90 cents on the dollar.

      Could be a math-related thing - perhaps Americans think the only way to make change is exact, rather than try to make convenient change (e.g., if it comes out to $3.55, giving $3.60 gets rid of two quarters and a dime and gets back a nickle, which means you get rid of two coins), Or if it's $4.55, I can put down a $5 bill and a nickel and get back 50 cents.

      But I guess for the majority of Americans, such math is so hard that coins are hard. I generally don't have many coins in my pocket because I keep using them...

    33. Re:All that, and yet ... by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      Just stuff it in the coin slot.

    34. Re:All that, and yet ... by dewrox · · Score: 1

      Looks like the US is getting on board... all of the "New" security features have been implemented in Canadian Notes for quite some time. (Copper -> Green color changing ink, Security thread woven into the bill) Not sure why it took so long to get implemented here in the US.

    35. Re:All that, and yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      20 years?
      I see coins from the 60s and 70s still floating around in everyday usage in Australia.

    36. Re:All that, and yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Fed won't acknowledge inflation and their 100% role in devaluing our currency.

    37. Re:All that, and yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So in other words, yes, this was done in Canada, exactly as he said (with the $2 conversion).

    38. Re:All that, and yet ... by Megane · · Score: 1

      Too bad that they decided make the dollar coins out of a yellowish metal that looks like absolute shit with only a little bit of circulation. The whole thing turns to a brassy brown matte surface where you can barely see any detail. I mean the old Eisenhower dollar was clearly way too big to be usable (even the Kennedy half dollar is too big), and the new dollar coin is a decent size, but they really do look like shit when they actually get used.

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    39. Re:All that, and yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could be a math-related thing - perhaps Americans think the only way to make change is exact, rather than try to make convenient change (e.g., if it comes out to $3.55, giving $3.60 gets rid of two quarters and a dime and gets back a nickle, which means you get rid of two coins)

      And then stand there for five minutes working out whether or not to use that lone nickle when your next purchase is $4.61.

    40. Re:All that, and yet ... by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Heh, i just throw my days change accumulation into a jar and take it the bank every couple months. TD and BMO and others have been rolling out free automated coin sorting machines -- and that works well for me.

      And while I can see the argument that paper was more convenient -- the higher value coins are almost a necessity for modern vending machine prices / parking meters / etc although most are taking plastic now. And I agree with the financial argument that the coin is cheaper for the government to circulate so its an inconvenience I don't object to.

      I never understood this - why do people carry their change home and dump them in jars? I mean, I spend my change - not always to make exact change, but to make convenient change (e.g., if it's $3.55, I might use a $5 and a nickel to get $1.50 in change), or a $5 and three quarters to get back two dimes and a twoonie. Do it enough times and the change goes down very quick.

      It requires a bit of math, but it's not terribly hard math (it's basic arithmetic) and not terribly hard one at that. Keeps the brain healthy and keeps you from reverting to a calculator to do 2+2.

      As for the penny - yeah we agree there - they did a good job on getting rid of the coin, while implementing sensible pricing and rounding policies. Its loss isn't hurting anyone except maybe charities. But I've got to believe there are better ways to collect money for charity than one penny at a time.

      Assuming stores do it. I've seen many a ripoff stores that don't implement the policy (it's voluntary, after all), and many more that used the opportunity for a small price hike.

      It's why I quit frequenting a popular Canadian hamburger chain because their franchisees kept dinging me 4 cents (the totals kept coming out like $8.61 or something, so most places would round down and charge $8.60, but they kept rounding up to $8.65). It's only 4 cents, but still, you don't have to rip off your customers that badly.

      And I've noticed how prices almost inevitably end up at values that round UP than down - i.e., they end in 3, 4, 8 or 9 far more often (triggering a round up) than 1, 2, 6 or 7 (round down).

      Or how some places have altered prices that always end in 0 or 5, which sucks if you're paying by electronic (debit/credit) which are "exact" (you're not supposed to round at all).

      In fact, it's one the arguments that the US uses against eliminating the penny - because there are so many low-income people that would get screwed over ...

    41. Re:All that, and yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I remember people collecting the $1 bills and hoarding them. My grandfather gave each my brother and I a $100 in ones for Christmas that first year. We kept them for a while until the novelty of having them wore off and we needed cash for CDs. I think I still have a couple of them.

    42. Re:All that, and yet ... by xaxa · · Score: 1

      I've only seen the gold-coloured $1 coin. It was too easy to mistake for a quarter.

      Quarter: Mass 5.670 g
      Diameter 24.26 mm
      Thickness 1.75 mm

      Dollar: Mass 8.100 g
      Diameter 26.5 mm
      Thickness 2.00 mm

      Only 2mm wider, and 0.25mm thicker? No other currency I've used has such similarly-sized coins (unless the shape is changed, e.g. Britain's 20p is heptagonal).

      (Although, no other currency I've used has such easily-confused banknotes... they're all the same size too!)

    43. Re:All that, and yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "not true, the only reason the programs failed was because the government cowardly refused to proactively remove and destroy $1 bills."

      So basically what youre saying is the govt cowardly payed attention to what the people want and didnt force them to the change against their will by removing the paper bills from circulation.

      If people want to use the $1 coin over paper, they were and are free to. But nobody does, and so it is the govts responsibility to facilitate the peoples choice as demonstrated by their behavior. Too bad if it costs more for the govt to please people - they are there to serve us and if we want paper notes then that is what we should have.

      I much prefer paper bills over heavy coins.

    44. Re:All that, and yet ... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      With the $2 conversion, it was done this way... but the above AC only referred to stopping the printing of $1 bills when they introduced a $1 coin, and the respondent who said that they did this in Canada did not mention anything about the $2 bills or coins,

    45. Re:All that, and yet ... by sjames · · Score: 1

      At least they tried a different color this time. The last try was about the same weight and size but also had the same color as a quarter.

    46. Re:All that, and yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And yet they can't do such basic things as, say, change the sizes of the notes

      I don't want different sizes of bills, and neither do most people.

      so that vision impaired people can tell the difference between

      "vision-impaired" people can go by feel, you don't need to change the size of the actual notes. The numbers are already a raised surface, even without developing an acute sense of touch like most blind (sorry, "vision impaired") people it's not hard to tell them apart. Add braille if it's that big of a deal, you don't have to go fucking around with the dimensions of the note.

      (Have a look at the Australian notes [wikipedia.org] for an example: each note is seven millimeters longer than the preceding one by value.)

      That's not enough to be noticeable unless you're directly comparing two bills to each other. Doesn't do jack shit for figuring out if the SINGLE note you were handed is any particular denomination.

      They'd also do well by dropping the one and two dollar bills, replacing them with coins; the currency has devalued so much, it's not worth keeping the low value notes as notes.

      Shrug. We already have $1 coins, they don't get used much, but if they dropped the note after a bunch of people got done having a seizure nobody would really care much. As for the $2 bill, honestly they don't get circulated much as it is, they don't print very many of them, and really we could just drop a $2 denomination entirely and nobody would care.

    47. Re:All that, and yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not so obvious at all. Other estimates show very different lifetimes for coins and bills, and conclude that paper bills are actually a much better deal. Check out the great NPR Planet Money story on this very topic.

      That story contradicts your claims. What it states is that (based on Canada's experience) you need about 1.6 coins per bill which was in circulation because they tend to end up sitting around in people's change jars, where people tend to keep paper notes in their wallets and spend them. So they figure the increase in demand coupled with the increased cost of minting the coins roughly offsets the gains you get from dropping the notes.

    48. Re:All that, and yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first one was far too easily mistaken for a quarter. No idea about the second one other than the only place I ever actually saw one was from a stamp vending machine.

      I think you're a little confused about the history of dollar coins in the US, because that's just not true at all. (For example, an early gold dollar was smaller than a dime, some weren't even silver, etc.)

      You're probably thinking of the Susan B. Anthony dollar, which is one of the more common ones out there. It's silver colored and about the same size as a quarter, but with flat edges instead of being smoothly round. The previous dollar coin (Eisenhower) was a good bit larger than a quarter (closer to a 50 cent coin) which people didn't like to use because it was too bulky.
      The Sacajewea dollars are gold colored, so confusing them with a quarter is a pretty silly claim to make, but frankly speaking the art is complete crap and there was a lot of really stupid politics and politically correct bullshit surrounding that coin.

    49. Re:All that, and yet ... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      I never understood this - why do people carry their change home and dump them in jars?

      What other option do I have? I'm certainly not going to pre-load the pants I put on today with the change from my pockets from yesterday, and repeat. So when I unload my pants to throw them in the wash the change goes in a jar.

      I spend my change - not always to make exact change, but to make convenient change (e.g., if it's $3.55, I might use a $5 and a nickel to get $1.50 in change), or a $5 and three quarters to get back two dimes and a twoonie. Do it enough times and the change goes down very quick.

      Yes, I do this too, that's why I called it my 'days' change, since regardless I'll still end up with some change at the end of the day. And honestly, I don't make that many cash transactions -- certainly not even one a day -- which just goes back to my first point about how silly it would be to pre-load my pants with yesterday's change.

      Assuming stores do it. I've seen many a ripoff stores that don't implement the policy (it's voluntary, after all),

      I don't think it is voluntary. I'm pretty sure its the law.

      and many more that used the opportunity for a small price hike.

      Not really. I'm not seeing any screwball prices... everything is still $x.99 except at walmart where its $x.98

      And I've noticed how prices almost inevitably end up at values that round UP than down - i.e., they end in 3, 4, 8 or 9 far more often (triggering a round up) than 1, 2, 6 or 7 (round down).

      Again, I'd love to know where you shop. This strategy -- which I have never even actually SEEN, doesn't work anyway, they only round the total, so as soon as you buy multiple items, and factor in taxes, its pretty random where its going to end up.

      And in Canada plastic out numbers cash pretty heavily - even fast food and convenience stores do more plastic than cash and everything is rounded to the penny on plastic transactions.

      It's why I quit frequenting a popular Canadian hamburger chain because their franchisees kept dinging me 4 cents (the totals kept coming out like $8.61 or something, so most places would round down and charge $8.60, but they kept rounding up to $8.65). It's only 4 cents, but still, you don't have to rip off your customers that badly.

      Not saying you didn't have this experience, but my experience has been overwhelmingly that businesses either just round down or do the recommend symmetric rounding to the nearest nickle as recommended by the federal govt.

      In fact, it's one the arguments that the US uses against eliminating the penny - because there are so many low-income people that would get screwed over ...

      Its a ridiculous argument that doesn't stand up to any scrutiny - do the math. The rounding rules, with symmetric rounding pretty well break even. And the US could make that law instead of 'voluntary' to ease any fears.

      And even a statistical outlier with symmetric rounding is going to be out maybe $10 (or up $10 if he's an outlier on the lucy-side) This isn't some great burden, even on the poor.

    50. Re:All that, and yet ... by toddestan · · Score: 2

      The reason for that is they wanted the coin to have the same electro-magnetic signature as the old Susan B. Anthony dollars, which were a copper-nickel sandwich just like the quarter. So they ended up with some funky brass alloy that they'd never use otherwise except that it just so happens to look like a SBA to a vending machine so that it spends the same. Well, in theory at least, not all vending machines were so accepting of the new coins.

      Of course, it wouldn't be so bad if the coin had any relief to it. However, like all our other modern coins (except perhaps the half dollar) the relief has been reduced to almost nothing to make the dies last longer. Since a lot of the old designs didn't look so well with the reduced relief, that's why poor George Washington has spaghetti hair on a more recent quarter (since about the mid-90's) which looks terrible compared to a quarter from the 60's/70's. Same with the cent.

    51. Re:All that, and yet ... by toddestan · · Score: 1

      I've heard 30 years on average. In the US it's hard to say because the copper-nickel coins are extremely durable compared to the old silver and gold coins, and the oldest ones we have in circulation are from 1965 and seem to holding up just fine to average wear and tear (before 1965 quarters and dimes were 90% silver and it's extremely rare to find one of those in circulation).

      Though there are other factors in play, such as coins just don't circulate as much nowadays as they did in the past. Except for maybe the quarter, a lot of spare change ends up being tossed in a jar where they can sit for years before reentering the money supply. In the old days those coins were worth too much to just have sitting around so they tended to circulate a lot more. For example, I've seen plenty of well worn Lincolns from before and during the Great Depression, but it would pretty unusual to see that kind of wear on a Lincoln minted after WWII.

    52. Re:All that, and yet ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dude - check out the back of the one dollar bill --- the Free Masons will never let that go!!!

  5. but all the old stuff is still good, right? by JeffOwl · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So why would I bother trying to counterfeit the newer more difficult bills instead of just doing the older easier ones since they remain legal tender?

    1. Re:but all the old stuff is still good, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Eventually, these get circulated enough so that when a cashier is presented with an old $100, they can inspect it more thoroughly because they don't have to do it as often.

    2. Re:but all the old stuff is still good, right? by Entropy98 · · Score: 2

      So why would I bother trying to counterfeit the newer more difficult bills instead of just doing the older easier ones since they remain legal tender?

      As the years go by the older notes will get less common, especially new looking old notes.

      I was at a casino once and this guy put a stack of crisp old style 100s on the table. The casino employees spent 15 minutes inspecting them, calling others over to look at them, etc before they accepted them.

    3. Re:but all the old stuff is still good, right? by GrandCow · · Score: 2

      So why would I bother trying to counterfeit the newer more difficult bills instead of just doing the older easier ones since they remain legal tender?

      Because change takes time and you need to start somewhere? They'll start phasing out the old $100's at the bank and replacing them with the new ones. The old ones will be destroyed. As people use them and more leave circulation it will be more and more suspicious for people to break out the older bills. Will there still be counterfeit bills popping up for years? Sure. But the point is that it will become more suspicious if someone tries to cash in a lot of them.

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    4. Re:but all the old stuff is still good, right? by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 1

      So why would I bother trying to counterfeit the newer more difficult bills instead of just doing the older easier ones since they remain legal tender?

      Because it'll only work so long. They collect and destroy the old bills and replace them with new ones. About 15 years ago, I tried to "pass" some real 20-year-old dollar bills I inherited. They'd been sitting unused in a desk. Since they were a little different from the then-current design, they occasionally got some extra scrutiny.

      Pedant note: I'm not claiming that this is foolproof or anything. Just noting something I experienced using new old stock bills.

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    5. Re:but all the old stuff is still good, right? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's why forgers have found ways to "age" their bills. It works a bit like aging jeans to give them that appealing "ruggedly used" look.

      Yes, "laundering money" gets a whole new meaning that way.

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    6. Re:but all the old stuff is still good, right? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      But by the time it really is suspicious, don't you think the forgers catch on?

      So far every security feature has been thwarted sooner or later. The new roadblock is the color changing ink. Well, let's see how long it takes. I give it a year.

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    7. Re:but all the old stuff is still good, right? by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

      They should have some kind of built in expiry enforcement mechanism on the bill. If they are not traded in for new ones within, say, 10 years they should become worthless, or ramp down in value to zero over the years. All it needs is a published expiry date on the bill.

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    8. Re:but all the old stuff is still good, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And if they don't do it as often, they won't be that experienced in what to look for to ID a fake note.

    9. Re:but all the old stuff is still good, right? by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      ...and they promptly set them aside in the cage, to be deposited and not mixed with the circulating bills, as most of the slot machine bill validators (the most likely target for any $100 bill in a casino) won't read them.

      That said, as a frequent gambler, I still get the occasional small-head hundred from casinos. They don't sequester all of them.

    10. Re:but all the old stuff is still good, right? by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      You can absolutely make a SMALL quantity of old bills, and you can pass a few of them without issue. Small-time counterfeiters likely do.

      But you can't move wholesale blocks of old currency without raising the wrong (right?) eyebrows.

    11. Re:but all the old stuff is still good, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The way it works in the UK is that once a design "expires", banks will stop handing out such notes and instead return them to the Bank of England for destruction. The notes typically cease to become legal tender a couple of years later, but banks will normally still accept them for several years afterwards, and the Bank of England will exchange notes of any age.

    12. Re:but all the old stuff is still good, right? by sjames · · Score: 1

      The more time passes, the more suspicion using one of the old bills will raise. t some point it becomes a problem for people trying to pass counterfeit old hundreds.

    13. Re:but all the old stuff is still good, right? by sjames · · Score: 2

      It' already been several years and nobody has managed to get the ink right (this bill is not the first to use it).

      The second 3D security strip is new as well and is woven in to the paper.

    14. Re:but all the old stuff is still good, right? by Megane · · Score: 1

      Most of them will just shove it into the UV lamp box anyhow. I've even seen them do it with five dollar bills. It lets them catch the otherwise obvious photocopier/inkjet copies without the person actually having to use their brain. (which is the only way it's worth counterfeiting fives anyhow)

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    15. Re:but all the old stuff is still good, right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They should have some kind of built in expiry enforcement mechanism on the bill. If they are not traded in for new ones within, say, 10 years they should become worthless, or ramp down in value to zero over the years. All it needs is a published expiry date on the bill.

      Part of the strength of US currency is the fact that any note which has ever been minted is still full legal tender. Well over half of all $100 bills are in circulation OUTSIDE the United States, and that's a big reason why. Putting an expiration on the bill is a very, very bad idea for a large number of reasons, and there's nothing simple about it.

    16. Re:but all the old stuff is still good, right? by toddestan · · Score: 1

      From what I've seen, a $100 bill will usually get some scrutiny, a $20 may get an occasional check, but I've never seen a cashier check a $5 bill in an ordinary smallish cash transaction. So unless it's a obvious fake, my guess is that someone could get away with counterfeiting $5 bills for a while before getting caught, so long as they didn't get greedy about it.

      Of course, there's only so many ordinary smallish cash transactions that you'd be able to do in a day (spending stacks of $5's to do large purchases would definitely attract some attention) so whether it's worth it is kind of debatable. Like a lot of small-time criminals, you'd probably be better off getting a minimum wage job and earning your money legitimately than trying to get by with counterfeiting $5's.

  6. Obligatory William Gibson Quote by Penumbra · · Score: 1

    “The U.S. hundred is the international currency of bad shit, Hollis, and by the same token the number one target of counterfeiters.”

  7. Re:Shutdown? by slick7 · · Score: 2

    If the government is supposed to be shut down, how could anyone release this money?

    The federal reserve is not part of the government, it never was, it never will be.

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  8. Translation: Trackable by NSA by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    All your money is belong to East German Stasi

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  9. Re:What a farce by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Actually, most $100 bill counterfeiting is in the former USSR and adjacent countries.

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  10. In other news... by sydbarrett74 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...the United States still has the world's fugliest currency.

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    1. Re:In other news... by girlintraining · · Score: 2

      ...the United States still has the world's fugliest currency.

      What, you got a problem with Olmec heads and vague references to the illuminati? :3

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    2. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's like they do it on purpose.

    3. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when did U.S. Dollars start having Queen Elizabeth on them?
       
      *puts on bullet-proof vest*

    4. Re:In other news... by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      hey show some respect, that's just George our founding father in his friday night drag. And he really doesn't care to be called a queen either, he says "double-gaited" will do just fine

    5. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Funny... The US bill has "in god we trust" on one hand, and the first ammendment on the other?

      For what its worth, many nations of the world have the queen on them.
      I'm canadian and i personally think we should get rid of her but some people actually want to keep the ties...

    6. Re:In other news... by compro01 · · Score: 1

      I'm canadian and i personally think we should get rid of her but some people actually want to keep the ties...

      Yeah, but who would we replace her with? Kim Campbell?

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    7. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nancy reagan on the $100 would prevent any efforts to counterfeit it... :shudder:

    8. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dare I even ask?

    9. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      perhaps, but it smells the best!

    10. Re:In other news... by sydbarrett74 · · Score: 2

      That's because of the cocaine residue. ;)

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    11. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The First Amendment? Have you ever even seen American currency?

    12. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well there may soon be less of it around to offend your sense of style , if the defaulters have their way. Oh the irony...

    13. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because attractive currency matters. If you had mentioned something about being the least blind-friendly, sure. But really, a site full of greasy pimply faced nerds you're going to bring looks into this?

    14. Re:In other news... by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Instead, we put dead presidents on our money. I say bring back Lady Liberty!

  11. About time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    While various countries took care to regularly update their bill printing tech, for the longest time the country with the most bills in widest circulation did... nothing. As long as the counterfeits didn't leak back into the country, it wasn't a problem. Where else have we seen that attitude?

  12. Re:What a farce by Lloyd_Bryant · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The only way to make currency impossible to counterfeit is to not have fiat currency in the first place, which means the people would choose something real to be money, I am talking about gold, and you can't really counterfeit that.

    Care to place a wager on that?

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  13. A load of Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They rolled out similar plastic money in Canada and it was counterfeited within a year.

    The big problem was the $20s, they already seemed fake and a lot of people reported them as such and so reports would get easily dismissed. Guess which denomination turned out to be a big problem

    1. Re:A load of Shit by mark-t · · Score: 1

      I've heard of a handful of isolated cases of people counterfeiting the new polymer Canadian bills, but no stories about any that actually entered circulation.

      In other words, the hopeful counterfeiters who've attempted this so far are only fooling people who can't be bothered to actually check for even the most basic security characteristics. The forgeries discovered were actually quite crude,and it's nothing less than laziness on the part of the recipients that led to it being passed off as genuine in the first place. One wonders if they could have been equally successful passing off monopoly money as genuine, simply if it were at least sized correctly (jokes about how Canada currency looks like monopoly money to some people aside).

      The techniques used in the new Canadian bills have been in use in Australia for about 25 years now, and to date, by my understanding, the measures have defeated *every* attempt to pass off a fake bill as genuine under remotely close scrutiny.

    2. Re:A load of Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People were also claiming that the real $20 notes smelled like maple syrup. That would be a great feature too. Can you make the $5's smell like bacon?

    3. Re:A load of Shit by sjames · · Score: 1

      Kinda like when someone managed to pass a $200 bill (yes, $200) with GWB on the front and oil derricks on the back at a Dairy Queen.

  14. It's not... green? by tlhIngan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is it me, or does it have a bluish tinge now that makes it easier to tell that it's a different denomination?

    Most countries already use different colored bills to help distinguish one denomination from another (and to aid in quickly determining how much cash on hand you have by a quick glance). Only in the US do I have to manually count out every bill to make sure a $5 didn't sneak in with the $1s and so on.

    Of course, perhaps it's time to go beyond linen/cotton/paper based bills and move to plastic (polymer) based ones...

    1. Re:It's not... green? by Virtucon · · Score: 1

      Is it me, or does it have a bluish tinge now that makes it easier to tell that it's a different denomination?

      Sorry since we're spending more than we take in we can no longer print with Green Ink. Using Red Ink would have been a give away to the Republicans so now we're just printing them with the Blue ink instead so you'll support the current Administration by using them and you won't feel so bad that that $100 bill is only worth about $4.50 now.

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    2. Re:It's not... green? by compro01 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, all the bills except the $1 and $2 are slightly different colours now. The $5 is purple, the $10 is orange, the $20 is green, the $50 is pink, and the $100 is teal.

      The ruling in American Council of the Blind v. Paulson required them to add accessibility features to the notes and the colours are one of those, in addition to some kind of tactile feature.

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    3. Re:It's not... green? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a daltonic, you insensitive clod!

    4. Re:It's not... green? by Gavagai80 · · Score: 1

      Money has to be colored to help blind people?

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    5. Re:It's not... green? by dinfinity · · Score: 1

      "It is an organization mainly made up of blind and visually impaired people"
      Yes, it is a bad name for such an organization, causing confusion among lazy snarky people everywhere.

    6. Re:It's not... green? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder who it is that send the broadcast out to all blind people about these tactile features.
      And how it is that this broadcast includes the actual bills used as a model.
      It seems people just find out as they go, sort of like we sighted people get a clue after handling our hundredth orange bill that maybe we ought to re-learn what them ten-dollar bills look like.

    7. Re:It's not... green? by Joshua+Fan · · Score: 1

      It's Matrix money. It could only harm you to analyze it too deeply.

    8. Re:It's not... green? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually it's just a hue, and it's different depending on where you look, but the current colors are just like Monopoly money.

      $5 is pink
      $10 is yellow
      $20 is green
      $50 is blue
      $100 is Orange

    9. Re:It's not... green? by xaxa · · Score: 1

      It's an improvement, but just compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro_banknotes#Specification or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Renminbi_banknotes.JPG (or pretty much any other country).

    10. Re:It's not... green? by compro01 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I'm Canadian, so I'm perfectly familiar with colourful currency.

      But as for differently sized bills, that will never happen in the states. The vending machine companies effectively killed the dollar coin without much effort, so I don't imagine they'd have much difficulty blockading any attempt to create differently sized bills. Heck, at this point, they're not even allowed to redesign the $1 bill.

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  15. Re:What a farce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    archimedes

  16. Surprised they didn't incorporate the blank spaces by CCarrot · · Score: 1

    Hey, wonder why they didn't incorporate the accidental blank spaces as an additional security feature? You know, like old school game disks used to have certain sectors purposefully corrupted as a method of copy protection, so if you copied the game to a new disk and the computer didn't see the bad sectors where it expected to, it would know it was a copy...

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  17. Re:What a farce by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    nonsense, counterfeiting gold is crime that goes to ancient times

  18. just counterfeit old ones... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Theres no grace period to trade in your old bills. Sure they'll get taken out of circulation eventually but you can still find old-school 100s (the ones that look like the 1s do now) floating around and still pay with then

  19. Re:Surprised they didn't incorporate the blank spa by Alomex · · Score: 1

    Bills have (or used to have) intentional mistakes that a hand engraver was likely to fix subconsciously, including in some cases typos in microprint and tiny jagged (as if by accident) straight lines.

    Nowadays bills are copied using high-speed high-precision laser scanners so I do not know if those artifacts are still used as security devices.

  20. Re:What a farce by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    So we now make our money safe by implementing security means they had in their money for a decade now, because we know they don't have access to that kind of sophisticated technology. Uhhuh.

    Makes about as much sense as anything coming out of capitol hill lately.

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  21. Re:But but but by Opportunist · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    No, more like a TV on standby. You don't really get anything out of it, but it still sucks up juice.

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  22. Re:Shutdown? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come on - we both know the government and the federal reserve are both controlled by the lizard people.

  23. Re:What a farce by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

    actulay not you can debase currency and at one time it was a crime treated as seriously as treason and had some very nasty death penalties.

  24. Re:But but but by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 0

    The government is shut down!!!!11

    And the money flows. Looks like the libertarians are right after all...

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  25. Re:What a farce by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    So we now make our money safe by implementing security means they had in their money for a decade now, because we know they don't have access to that kind of sophisticated technology. Uhhuh.

    Makes about as much sense as anything coming out of capitol hill lately.

    Pretty much.

    Next up, 2020, are one and two dollar coins.

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  26. Re:Shutdown? by compro01 · · Score: 1

    The Fed doesn't print the money, they're just the central bank that issues the money, which isn't the same thing. The actual printing of the banknotes is done by the Bureau of Engraving and Printing, and the coins are made by the United States Mint.

    It's similar in Canada, where the Bank of Canada issues the money, the coins are made by the Royal Canadian Mint, and the banknotes are printed by a couple different private companies under contract. Interestingly, neither of those companies is Canadian-owned. One is American (R.R. Donnelley & Sons) and the other is German (Giesecke & Devrient).

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  27. Down but not out by TheloniousToady · · Score: 1

    Darn, now that I can no longer counterfeit Ben Franklins with my printer, I'll have to go back to counterfeiting printer cartridges.

  28. Re:federal reserve corporation's 0% interest rates by iggymanz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    no, the Federal Funds Rate is currently 0.25% and for overnight loans. very short term so does not have the explosive inflationary effect you seem to imagine.

  29. Re:Surprised they didn't incorporate the blank spa by Lloyd_Bryant · · Score: 1

    Uh, because anyone making a set of counterfeit plates would just make sure his plates had the same blank spaces? The idea is to put in features that the counterfeiters couldn't easily copy...

    (and FYI - it took me about 20 minutes to slap together a simple TSR to provide the proper "bad" sectors where required for those stupid disks. Turns out that was trivially easy to get around too...)

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  30. Re:What a farce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The only stuff in the universe that cannot be counterfeited is energy.

    I propose a new currency based on the kWh. Instead of slips of paper or plastic credit cards, people will use rechargeable batteries and actually transfer units of work between each other.

    At first there will be extremely rapid inflation as people set up solar collectors and other such stuff, but eventually nearly every inch of the earth will be dedicated to collecting energy. Things like tax credits and welfare can be eliminated as every man, woman, and child will be able to collect or generate at least some energy (the government could give out stationary bikes that collect energy), which will act as a base negative tax rate.

    With so much energy then available, what would our standard of living be?

  31. Waiting for the trolls... by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 1

    Seriously, I'm waiting a patent troll to step up to the plate and sue cuz the new currency uses something the troll patented.

    1. Re:Waiting for the trolls... by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      Seriously, I'm waiting a patent troll to step up to the plate and sue cuz the new currency uses something the troll patented.

      the government has the power to seize any patent at will. while they have not done this to date, they might if it messes with our currency.

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  32. the reason why $100 bills by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

    $100 bills are the most popular bill counterfeited in the world. however, $20 bills are the most popular bill counterfeited in the US.

    the new design is going to piss off North Korea because they counterfeit US $100 bills like crazy: http://www.csmonitor.com/World/2013/1008/New-100-bill-why-North-Korea-won-t-be-very-happy-video

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  33. Well... C is for Christmas... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All those bells... very festive.

  34. Re:Surprised they didn't incorporate the blank spa by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

    Encrypt the serial number into the features on both sides of the bill. That way at least the forgers have to copy multiple bills using multiple plates if they want a bunch of different serial numbers.

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  35. Re:What a farce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Are you sure about that? Seems like there is a certain organization in the USA with almost no oversight that prints tons of $100 bills. Inflation is a measure of how much "counterfeiting" they have done. Money should have constant value, they should print to try and make that happen.

  36. So basically... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the features the swiss money had since 1995: http://www.snb.ch/de/iabout/cash/history/id/cash_history_serie8

    1. Re:So basically... by sjwt · · Score: 1

      And lacking the nice long life of polymer bank notes..

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymer_banknote

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  37. Re:Shutdown? by mark-t · · Score: 2

    The Bank of Canada is wholly Canadian owned. Legally, it is a crown corporation, belonging to the federal government. Ultimately, the Bank of Canada is owned by the people of Canada.

    R.R. Donnelly runs the Canadian Bank Note Company, which prints bank notes for Canada, but this has always been a private company (before 1920, it was a subdivision of the American Bank Note Company in New York). The Canadian Bank Note Company is not to be confused with the Royal Canadian Mint, which is another crown corporation, and is also wholly owned by the Government of Canada. CBN also prints passports, driver's licences, and assorted other documents that are government-issued.

  38. Re:What a farce by nospam007 · · Score: 1

    "Actually, most $100 bill counterfeiting is in the former USSR and adjacent countries."

    Since the old notes will keep their value forever, they can still print those old ones and hence this anti-counterfeiting measure is worthless.

  39. Re:Shutdown? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Bureau of Printing and Engraving is "essential", for obvious reasons.

  40. Re:What a farce by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Yes, I am sure about that. Former USSR nations tend to not trust virtual currency, so they use US paper bills - mostly $1000 and $100 bills.

    Up to 50 percent of all "US currency" in those countries is counterfeit.

    Which is why they're replacing those bills. Most Americans never - ever - use $100 or $1000 bills. Generally, we use $20 and $50 and anything bigger we do by credit card or debit card or wire.

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  41. Re:What a farce by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    At some point we'll do what France and the UK did and phase out the old bills. Probably starting outside of the US itself.

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  42. Re:What a farce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I am talking about gold, and you can't really counterfeit that.

    Sure you can, just use a particle accelerator. Knocking one nucleon off of Hg-198 would do the trick, I believe. It's already been done, it's just too costly to bother with at this point. We'll be synthesizing the stuff in quantity before the end of the century, assuming we don't have a big nuclear war or other civilization-ending calamity before then.

  43. Re:What a farce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    watch Black Mirror: Fifteen Million Merits

  44. Re:What a farce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I gave the parent an Interesting to go along with his Funnies, those counterfeiters described in his link are actually quite on the ball. Incidentally latinum was, er, will be inserted into gold as well.

  45. Re:Shutdown? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's cute that you think that. The Fed is about as much "not part" of the government as the USPS

    http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/about_14986.htm
    http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/about_12799.htm

    The Federal Reserve, like many other central banks, is an independent government agency but also one that is ultimately accountable to the public and the Congress.

  46. The US is a bit late to the game by russotto · · Score: 3, Funny

    Iran has been circulating these new $100s since last week.

  47. But why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Norway cut their equivalent 1000kr bill three years ago, as a means to make large [criminal] money transfers harder.

    Now that we have bitcoin, why is the US pouring resources into a new high tech bill that will never be used for anything good?

  48. Re:What a farce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    U.S. currency gets scrutinized much more overseas than it does here stateside. I was trying to exchange money in Indonesia a few years back and most places simply refused to accept any currency older than 1996. Even if the bill was new, if it had any sorts of tears or random pen marks on it, forget about it. Not going to be accepted. Once these new bills start circulating, I would imagine the older bills will get harder and harder to use until they are out right rejected. Just because they still legally have value doesn't mean anyone has to accept them when you're talking about outside the U.S.

  49. Internet in business hotels by mapuche · · Score: 0

    That makes sense. Usually a travel expense paid by your company. Who cares if they charge you $18 for a day with internet access?

    I remember the Westin Palace in Madrid charges $1 USD per night for charity.

  50. Really? After the queen saved Harper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After the queen saved Harper you'd think they'd have ditched her already.

  51. Re:Shutdown? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Accountable" in what sense? Assuming one gets through the layers of impenetrable economic rationalizations regarding how Quantitative Easing is a blessing, whereas counterfeiting by other parties is a felony, the cat has already left the bag, so to speak. The profit's taken, the value-from-nothing already indistinguishably intermixed with the worked-for money with a scale and thoroughness that would make a money-laundering drug cartel blush.

    Their game has been accepted. It has been made legal. There is no retroactive legal recourse for what was declared legal at the time, regardless of how immoral it may have been.

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  52. Damn kids! Ike was never mistaken for a quarter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first one was far too easily mistaken for a quarter. No idea about the second one other than the only place I ever actually saw one was from a stamp vending machine.

    I'll bet if they had just said no more $1 notes will be printed, it would have worked fine.

    The Eisenhower dollar coin (still not even the "first" one) was waaaay too big to be mistaken for a quarter and once upon a time vending machines (and pinball machines!!) could recognize them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisenhower_dollar

    The 1976 version with the Liberty bell and moon on the reverse was pretty cool for patriotic geeks.

    1. Re:Damn kids! Ike was never mistaken for a quarter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From your link:
      Although the vending machine industry lobbied for the Eisenhower dollar, they converted few machines to take the pieces. Lange recalled, "The fact is that these coins never circulated outside of casinos and nearby areas, and I don't recall ever seeing a vending machine that accepted them."

    2. Re:Damn kids! Ike was never mistaken for a quarter by sjames · · Score: 1

      Actually, I had forgotten the Eisenhower dollar. It too never saw much actual circulation.

  53. Re:What a farce by k8to · · Score: 1

    The only way to make currency impossible to counterfeit is to not have fiat currency in the first place, which means the people would choose something real to be money, I am talking about gold, and you can't really counterfeit that.

    Crazy gold bug,

    Gold-backed currency does not mean that everyone carries around gold in their pocket. It's actually quite a bit harder to accurately value and validate than paper currency with various anti-counterfeiting properties. Let me repeat that, physical gold is easier to counterfeit for typical casual excahanges than modern cash.

    So in the realm of reality where cash has not been physical gold in living memory, nor will it be, gold-backed currency could only exist in a similar form as our current currency. And it would be subject to exactly the same forms of counterfeiting.

    Just because the value of the valid currency would be, in your mind, ideologically pure, doesn't mean people can't fake it.

    So now we see that your reasoning is entirely nonsense, which is always the case when gold bugs speak.

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  54. I agree. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love the golden dollar coin. I just don't come across it enough. (Except at car washes.)

    1. Re:I agree. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love the golden dollar coin. I just don't come across it enough. (Except at car washes.)

      You mean that quarter sized brass colored dollar token they keep changing the design of every 3 months and nobody still wants it?

    2. Re:I agree. by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      I go down to the bank every few months and get a couple hundred dollars of them in rolls. Carrying 4 or 5 of them around in your pocket is no big deal and my wallet is thinner without the $1 bills in it. Caution: If you get rolls you're likely to get the occasional Susan B. Anthony dollar too which is silver with a fluted edge, the ones that are easy to mistake for a quarter.

    3. Re:I agree. by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      ...Susan B. Anthony dollar too which is silver with a fluted edge, the ones that are easy to mistake for a quarter.

      FYI, that's called reeding and was invented to prevent 'clipping' and counterfeiting.

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  55. Re:Surprised they didn't incorporate the blank spa by Lloyd_Bryant · · Score: 1

    Encrypt the serial number into the features on both sides of the bill. That way at least the forgers have to copy multiple bills using multiple plates if they want a bunch of different serial numbers.

    So how is the *government* going to print these things, without having a different set of plates for every serial number?

    FYI - Bills are typicallly printed in sheets, without the serial numbers, and the serial numbers are added in a later printing step.

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  56. Still made of paper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Each bills won't last long, either from getting wet or ripped accidentally. Resulting in loss and having to print more and more and more. Would be about damn time for the US to rework it's whole currency while taking the old one off the market, like many other country did, like Canada.

  57. Large amount stolen last year by HairyNevus · · Score: 1

    Apparently, almost a year ago to the day, a "large amount" were stolen from a Philly airport. I couldn't find a follow-up (might be what I used for initial sources), but am I now to believe these theives can finally spend their cash? Or was the design tweaked since then? I suppose if it was, it would benefit the FBI investigation to not have that stated.

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  58. Re:federal reserve corporation's 0% interest rates by nickmalthus · · Score: 1

    The Federal Funds Rate is at 0.08% Of course the target rate is zero to .25 but since corporate stocks and profits are at all time highs it is hard to turn off the spigot so I imagine that is why the rate is near the lower bounds. The federal reserve corporation has conjured up Four trillion dollars in the last five years with no end in sight. Please forgive me, to the novice like myself they would appear to be producing quite a bit of money out of thin air. I am sure if I were a Wall Street investment banker the subtleties of monetary policy would be much clearer to me.

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  59. There goes the economy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As software and music producers know: a reasonable amount of illegitimately copied content helps in building a consistent craving for the product that will ultimately be covered by the real thing to some degree where the price can be afforded.

    One reason the dollar bill is the universal currency because in times of urgent need it can be locally produced and marketed at a discount.

    Now new bills lock out the universal availability of the dollar bill. The U.S. does its best to compensate by not actually offering anything useful in return in case you threaten to turn in a dollar from out of the country, but the resulting trade deficit bears its own problems.

  60. Re:What a farce by Pseudonym · · Score: 2

    The only stuff in the universe that cannot be counterfeited is energy.

    Conveniently, it can be freely converted to bitcoin. Unfortunately, it can't be converted back.

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  61. counterfeit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The biggest folk that print money out of thin air - the FED - at a rate of $85 BILLIONS Dollar a month

  62. Re:What a farce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, it's North Korea.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdollar

  63. Re:Shutdown? by riverat1 · · Score: 1

    And it's not like they don't have any cash on hand with which to pay their employees ;)

  64. Actually, in some countries it was by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

    There have been quite a lot of countries that actually had a gold (or other similar valuable metals, most notably silver, that could easily be exchanged for gold) storage that would back every single paper money bill in rotation. It called the "gold standard" and money issued when this was in effect could always be exchanged for a predetermined amount of gold, noted on the bills. This was especially true in Europe in the era just after Napoleon, since people distrusted "paper money" after the French government refused to exchange the money Napoleon introduced when he conquered their countries and took all their gold and silver. In the USA, history went another way and there have only been short periods when the government had a gold or silver standard. Gold standards have existed far into the 20th century and only when people trusted their government enough (or when they got greedy enough) governments have been abandoning this.

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  65. Yay for $2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wish people would make more of an effort to circulate $2 bills. You basically have to order them yourself to use them, and something like 75% of the people you give them to for tips or purchases either look at them funny or call them fakes. Their rarity is self-sustaining - somebody gets one, goes 'huh that's weird' and stashes it. Then a few more people stash LOTS of them, because I dunno.

    Fight the system! Use $2s! Hell, use cash more often - your waiter will thank you for sure.

  66. Re:What a farce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only stuff in the universe that cannot be counterfeited is energy.

    I propose a new currency based on the kWh. Instead of slips of paper or plastic credit cards, people will use rechargeable batteries

    Plutonium. And the problem of people amassing too much riches solves itself.

  67. Banks don't carry them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A local bank told me years ago that if I wanted a $100 bill, it would have to be special ordered. They claim they haven't kept them on hand for many years.
    Another bank told me they don't even handle them anymore.

    So, if you wanted to give a family member a card and include a few 100s for a special occasion, you couldn't.

  68. Looks lame ... by YoungManKlaus · · Score: 1

    and doesnt sound like any of those security measures is any new ... heck, even the not-even-5€ lunch vouchers I get at work have color-shifting ink, watermarking and a "3d" surface ...

  69. Re:What a farce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello,

    That is not fake gold, that is a mere imitation and the internal wolfram/tungsten filling is easily spotted by ultrasonic scanners (the same thing used medically on expecting women.)

    Actual fake gold would be to take a pot of molten lead, invoke the White Elephant of all alchemists over it, pray to Oziris-Lucifer, drop a little sorcerer's stone into the potter and voila, the lead turns into solid gold.

    Alternatively, a nuclear reactor or a particle accelerator can create actual fake gold from base metals, but that's about 100x more costly than real mined gold and the produce often turns out to be radioactive.

    Gold is even better than diamonds for fake-resistance, because gemstone-quality diamonds, especially the yellowish variety, can now be factory manufactured at industrial efficiency. (Thanks to the soviets, who invented a machinery for turning graphite into substrates of diamond semiconductors aimed at space/nuke purposes. The drunkard Yeltsin then sold those machinery to an ex-USAF colonel, who industrialized it. The orthodox jewish people of Antwerp weren't much pleased about that.)

  70. I feel sorry for North Korea by Catmeat · · Score: 1

    I feel sorry for North Korea - what are they going to do for hard currency now, unless can catch up with this?

    Though saying that, the $100 is essentially an Asian currency as that's mostly where it circulates. Not a bad thing for the US - they get $100 for printing each one, the bills disappear overseas forever and so never contribute to US inflation.

  71. Coins might be cheaper to produce and .. by ReginaldBarclay · · Score: 1

    .. more long-lived, but they're also quite impractical in everyday use.

    Look, for example, to the EU, which has â1/â2 coins and not notes, and ask the people how they like 'em. (Hint: they're nearly-universally loathed.)

    1. Re:Coins might be cheaper to produce and .. by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. They're closer to being nearly-universally loved than loathed. They're easier to keep loose in your pocket than notes, so you can easily pay for small items with ease. I just bought my lunch with coins, and it was far easier than messing about with notes. Plus, as I was using coins anyway, it was a cinch to make exact change, meaning a nice clean transaction. You should actually ask some EU folks before spouting such nonsense.

    2. Re:Coins might be cheaper to produce and .. by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      Really? Apart from the 1 and 2 cent coins (which are close to useless), I never heard anyone complaining about coins at all. As a matter of fact, I hate running out of coins. I always try to have around 5€ in coins in my wallet. Parking fees, the occasional tip, etc... Now, what I do hate is paying for parking with a 20€ bill and getting a fuckton of coins back (the machines don't give back bills as change), but luckily I try to avoid that situation.

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  72. Re:What a farce by fa2k · · Score: 1

    It's probably what will happen in the future, but it's quite problematic as is. There is a positive feedback loop: once you have more money (energy) you can buy more land and set up more solar panels, and exploit more resources. This feedback loop already exists because one can rent out land and houses, but it will be much greater when it can be used to directly generate money. The good part is that there is a built in inflation: it is difficult to store energy for a long time. This will just mean that land and other properties will be the preferred way to store money, and that's pretty much already the case

  73. Re:What a farce by TangoMargarine · · Score: 2

    That would only work if we had efficient storage methods to keep the energy from degrading practically at all.

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  74. Mister 880 by tekrat · · Score: 1

    So, the obvious solution is to counterfeit $1 bills.

    Let's see if I can educate the Slashdot crowd today, be sure to Google my headline "Mr. 880".

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  75. Re:What a farce by delt0r · · Score: 1

    I am talking about gold, and you can't really counterfeit that.

    You mite want to look up the history of paper currency.

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  76. American Eagle Silver and Gold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want to be very clear to anybody that goes out and buys Silver and Gold.

    Places will try to see you "American Eagle" for more than other brands. This is nothing but the physical shape of the coins. It has no more value than any other coin of the same purity; but dealers sell it for slightly more because it reflects America, but it really has no more value than the others. If it's all melted down, its the same value, and after an economic collapse, those fancy names won't mean anything in way of integritty.

  77. Re:What a farce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FWIW, all of those $1000 bills are counterfeit. The US discontinued anything larger than $100 around 1970. While there are still some $1000 bills in circulation, so to speak, they would be worth more to collectors than their face value (i.e. they are more collector's items than currency).

  78. Polymer bills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Besides replacing the $1 and $2 bills with coins and ditching the penny, Canada is also gradually replacing paper bills with bills made from polymer; which is supposed to be more durable than paper bills. Here’s what Canada’s new $5 and $10 polymer bills look like.

  79. Re:What a farce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They don't spend it in North Korea.

  80. Re:What a farce by mpeskett · · Score: 1

    The only stuff in the universe that cannot be counterfeited is energy.

    Why not use angular momentum?

  81. Re:What a farce by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You say that like there are efficient storage methods for currency. Say hello to inflation as you watch it ass-fuck your cute little ignorant argument.

  82. Re:What a farce by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    By that time, the metal used to mint them is likely worth more than those 1 or two dollars...

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  83. Re:What a farce by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    Coins have longer lifespans than bills, actually, so the cost drops.

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  84. Re:Surprised they didn't incorporate the blank spa by CCarrot · · Score: 1

    Encrypt the serial number into the features on both sides of the bill. That way at least the forgers have to copy multiple bills using multiple plates if they want a bunch of different serial numbers.

    So how is the *government* going to print these things, without having a different set of plates for every serial number?

    FYI - Bills are typicallly printed in sheets, without the serial numbers, and the serial numbers are added in a later printing step.

    Really? Because I seem to remember being able to batch-print form letters, envelope addresses, etc. using different names and addresses from an (admittedly dinky and annoying to set up) database in Word in the 90's, maybe (?) I think it was called Mail Merge or something like that (obviously haven't needed to use it in quite some time...)

    Seems to me that they should be able to print sequential serial numbers on the fly pretty easy, unless they are still stamp-pressing the currency notes (which it sounds like they are, as are all other world currencies...hmm)...and even if they are, what prevents them from adding an encrypted version of the serial number at the same time that they're adding the human-readable version? I'm not sure how well this would actually work, but at least it would up the ante on the quality of machines needed to produce undetectable copies...

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  85. Re:What a farce by rhodium_mir · · Score: 1

    Gold Price Performance USD
    Today -21.11 -1.59%
    30 Days -79.5 -5.73%
    6 Months -279.00 -17.59%
    1 Year -455.80 -25.85%

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