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D-Link Router Backdoor Vulnerability Allows Full Access To Settings

StealthHunter writes "It turned out that just by setting a browsers user-agent to 'xmlset_roodkcableoj28840ybtide' anyone can remotely bypass all authentication on D-Link routers. It seems that thttpd was modified by Alphanetworks who inserted the backdoor. Unfortunately, vulnerable routers can be easily identified by services like shodanHQ. At least these models may have vulnerable firmware: DIR-100, DI-524, DI-524UP, DI-604S, DI-604UP, DI-604+, TM-G5240."

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  1. Will this stupidity ever end? by gweihir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Are these people too stupid to know that eventually, somebody _will_ analyze their firmware and find this? I think it is time to make them liable for a bit more than the device when things like these get found. Say, 10x the new value of the device to any customer that wants to give it back.

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    1. Re:Will this stupidity ever end? by DigitAl56K · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, as an ex D-Link customer, I'm glad to see someone is analyzing their firmware.

    2. Re:Will this stupidity ever end? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How about a Prison Sentence. These ego maniacs are putting people's bank account at risk. It is no different from writing a virus. In fact it is worse.

    3. Re:Will this stupidity ever end? by johndoe42 · · Score: 4, Interesting
      A class action lawsuit for gross negligence might do the trick.

      Sometimes I think that things like this should be felonies, though. Criminal offense or not, in a sensible world this would put alphanetworks out of business.

    4. Re:Will this stupidity ever end? by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Who are you going to put in prison, exactly? It's possible only a small team of engineers was aware of this. Hell, may have even just been one rogue developer who nobody gave permission to put it there.

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    5. Re:Will this stupidity ever end? by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I might propose targeting the software review board that didn't catch the flaws, or perhaps the management who decided such a review board was unnecessary. Security-critical hardware should have at least some QC and/or validation at the firmware code level, y'know?

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    6. Re:Will this stupidity ever end? by moteyalpha · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The problem that I have observed is that there is no effective oversight to complex systems. The people who can deal with the complexity and create things like this work in a sort of isolation. Sometimes this happens when contractors are asked to create a system and then get paid. If they don't get paid, they leave the back door. I can guarantee that this is not the last one that is found and some are much worse than this. I was looking at the javascript linked in an earlier article and it reminded me of the "never attribute to malice ...." . When you add the possibility that espionage or criminality could be involved it gets even more complicated. I help relatives with computer problems on a daily basis and most people have trouble just figuring out how to use the damn things. They are completely vulnerable to even the simplest tech attack or SE.
      I also have my own site and I see many things. I know that every day there are people knocking on doors or ports. It is another world that most people only understand as some kind of stuff done by technically afflicted people.

    7. Re:Will this stupidity ever end? by sirlark · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, this makes a twisted form of sense. The DMCA and earlier wire tapping and computer fraud laws state two things iirc 1) Attempting to access a system which you do not have permission to access is illegal, and 2) subverting a security mechanism to provide unintended access is illegal. Now (1) only applies if someone uses the back door to gain access to your system, but (2) applies just because the back door exists. The stated intent is that these routers are secure (read the advertising gumph), which means the existence of the back door was a subversion of the intent for security. Someone, somewhere did this, and should be held liable. Considering the "OMFG it's on a computer" factor and the peculiarly zealous manner in which violations are normally prosecuted, I don't see why this shouldn't carry jail time, and a lot of it, as a sentence. I make this argument in support of consistency. What's good for goose is good for the gander. I don't actually agree with the sentences recommended/allowed by those acts.

    8. Re:Will this stupidity ever end? by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How about a Prison Sentence. These ego maniacs are putting people's bank account at risk. It is no different from writing a virus. In fact it is worse.

      Sorry man, but this isn't an ego maniac. It's worse than that. 04882 is an oblique reference to the product ID used by Revell. Revell produces hobby scale models of various things. In this case... of the USS Enterprise, as seen in the worst trek movie ever -- Star Trek: Into Darkness. Which means, we're not dealing with an ego maniac: We're dealing with a guy who is utterly devoid of ego. This particular model probably sits on his desk in his cube, providing both inspiration to one 'Joel' in D-Link's software development team for a password, and simultaniously functioning as the strongest prophylactic known to man.

      The good news though is that firmware released by D-Link prior to May of 2013 shouldn't be affected, unlike Joel's employment situation.

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    9. Re:Will this stupidity ever end? by girlintraining · · Score: 2

      In other news, this incident is excellent fodder for security researchers to use as a case in point for how knowledge of a person's habits and hobbies can provide valuable insight into potential password selections, and also that the password selection is so strongly correlated with these things, that knowing the password alone can be sufficient to uniquely identify the user!

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    10. Re:Will this stupidity ever end? by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The DI-524 is, what, 8 years old? The firmware for it hasn't been updated since 2006. How, then is it listed as vulnerable?

      This is some guy on a blog. It's a mixture of fact and wild speculation. This isn't an official security notification on something like Bugtraq or CERT, etc. He tested the DI-100 firmware, v1.13. The FTP link he provided lists the timestamp for the file as "02/19/2013 11:09AM", not 2006.

      He doesn't even have a DI-100, he just downloaded it at random. He thinks, based on "the source code of the HTML pages and some Shodan search results", that the devices listed are affected. There was no actual testing, it's just rampant speculation based on Sir Bloggy McBlogs google-fu. Now, that said, I have been doing some additional research and the company Revell is based out of Germany -- which is also where D-Link's software development team is. Revell's website indicates the model went on sale about the same time as the movie release -- May 2013. The timestamp is February. It's not enough to bust my theory that 04882 is a reference to the model... it's just possible the website is wrong, or he got one early from a friend who works at said company. It does happen; Maybe they handed them out at special screenings.

      Such is the nature of speculating on these things; it's interesting, but it's nearly impossible to get positive verification of a theory.

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    11. Re:Will this stupidity ever end? by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 3

      In a class action, the only winners are the lawyers.

      Individually suing in small claims court is almost always the better option, if you have the time.

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    12. Re:Will this stupidity ever end? by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hell, may have even just been one rogue developer who nobody gave permission to put it there.

      It's a safe bet their law team already have that at the top of the whiteboard.

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    13. Re:Will this stupidity ever end? by someone1234 · · Score: 2

      WIth proper corporate liability, there wouldn't be need for any angry mob. I didn't suggest any lynching, i suggest proper laws.

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    14. Re:Will this stupidity ever end? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It sounds more like the backdoor was put in deliberately, probably to aid support staff who were fed of up trying to explain how to type "192.168.1.1" into the address box instead of Bing. This way they can just find your IP address and then go in via the backdoor to sort any problems out, about 90% of which will be wifi congestion on the default channel (11).

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    15. Re:Will this stupidity ever end? by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 5, Informative

      Read the user agent backwards, as indicated in the blog: "edit by 04882 joel back door". Stupidity indeed, even leaving a name.
      Luckily, my D-Link router is not vulnerable to this attack (maybe the attack just needs to be tweaked). It's stacked behind a non-D-Link router, just in case.

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    16. Re:Will this stupidity ever end? by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The law is only for little people. Who went to prison when Sony rooted and vandalized thousands of computers with their XCP malware? Nobody. You have to hack a rich person's or organization's computers to go to jail. You and I don't count.

    17. Re:Will this stupidity ever end? by mcgrew · · Score: 2

      Class action isn't about customers winning, it's purpose is to teach the company a lesson.

    18. Re:Will this stupidity ever end? by kestasjk · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh yeah, hell hath no fury like a D-Link customer scorned; when they find out their cheap disposable routers have a flaw in them they'll need to send in the army.

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    19. Re: Will this stupidity ever end? by kilfarsnar · · Score: 2

      Then they'd serve as a warning to others.

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  2. Re:Thank Goodness... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That the consumer is always so proactive with updates that they'll upgrade their router the instant a fix is released.......NOT.

    "A quick Google for the “xmlset_roodkcableoj28840ybtide” string turns up only a single Russian forum post from a few years ago, which notes that this is an “interesting line” inside the /bin/webs binary. I’d have to agree."

    Even if they do, it sounds like they'll be almost four years late.

  3. Backwards: edit by 04882 Joel backdoor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    And the post points out (in 2010) that if you reverse the string it was "edit by 04882 Joel Backdoor" so it was clearly a backdoor.

    The big scandal here is how can a backdoor be known since 2010 and not revealed??!!!

    1. Re:Backwards: edit by 04882 Joel backdoor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The big scandal here is how can a backdoor be known since 2010 and not revealed??!!!

      Seriously? That's not a scandal, that's the way the world works. People that LOOK for stuff like that want to keep those exploits to themselves because they want to USE THEM. If you reveal the damn thing, it'll get patched.

      Not many people want to do all the work of looking through binaries figuring out obscure shit like this just for fun.

  4. edited by 04882 Joel backdoor by austerestyle · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Read backwards it reads the same as the comment subject. Is this the guy behind it? http://www.joesdata.com/executive/Joel_Liu_421313008.html Assuming good will, it seems like debugging code left in the final firmware release.

    1. Re:edited by 04882 Joel backdoor by _merlin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It might have nothing to do with anyone called Joel. When I was far younger and quite bored, I graffiti'd "Patrick Tang was here" (in a place where a Patrick Tang had been). Patrick Tang had nothing to do with the use of his name, but when he discovered it, he went to considerable effort to obscure it, believing he would likely be blamed.

    2. Re:edited by 04882 Joel backdoor by jamesh · · Score: 4, Funny

      All this time we were running around blaming the NSA, when it was Joel all along!

    3. Re:edited by 04882 Joel backdoor by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Insightful

      s this the guy behind it? http://www.joesdata.com/executive/Joel_Liu_421313008.html Assuming good will, it seems like debugging code left in the final firmware release.

      Regardless of how strong the evidence may be, uniquely identifying someone on the internet is dangerous and may even expose you to a slander/libel/defamation case. You may recall not long ago the witch hunt on reddit for the Boston Bomber. Over a dozen 'suspects' were named and shamed on the forums, none of whom turned out to be the actual person. Those people's lives crumbled into dust after, and police had to devote valuable resources at the time to protecting those individuals from vigilantes. Don't go the extra step of naming someone -- no matter how confident you are, the odds are very high that you're wrong. I know you think you're being edgy, smart, whatever and showing off your google-fu here, but you've actually rather accomplished the reverse -- you've demonstrated a reckless abandon and an inability to consider the consequences of your actions, or at least favoring momentary glory and recognition at the expense of another. Neither scores high marks in internet ethics.

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  5. Wow by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 2

    I'm always amazed to read about things like this because most engineers are not morons. Why would they do it? How could they not know it would be discovered?

    The Black Hats have probably known about this for a long time...

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    1. Re:Wow by Tanktalus · · Score: 2

      If "most engineers are not morons" then we wouldn't need Bobby Tables as an example when explaining simple security issues to them.

    2. Re:Wow by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 2

      At first glance it looks like an interesting link.

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    3. Re:Wow by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 2

      Not sure how this is a troll. Telling people the link looks like it could be interesting. I guess whoever it was doesn't speak English.

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  6. Many routers subject to UPnP vulnerability anyway by DigitAl56K · · Score: 5, Insightful

    PDF link, published earlier this year, shows how many manufacturers use a stack with a UPnP vuln that gives root, even from the WAN side:

    http://www.defensecode.com/public/DefenseCode_Broadcom_Security_Advisory.pdf

    Point is, you probably weren't as safe as you thought you were, even before this new disclosure.

    I think a huge problem with consumer-grade wifi routers today is that as manufacturers race to support new models with new wifi standards and new competitive feature sets, older models quickly become abandonware. There's very little guarantee around firmware updates for critical vulnerabilities, and end users are mostly oblivious to being at risk. By the time you pick up that $80 model from the store it's probably borderline EOL already.

  7. discipline by Moblaster · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Beatings Will Continue... Until the Firmware Improves.

  8. Re:Did the NSA have a hand in this too? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How to bury your company's reputation with one password.

    D-link's rep was buried long ago.

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  9. Tomato, DD-WRT, or OpenWrt by seifried · · Score: 4, Informative

    Because friends don't let friends run crappy firmware with back doors/known problems.

    http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Issues/2010/119/Security-Lessons-Linux-WAP/(tagID)/337

  10. Re:Did the NSA have a hand in this too? by OhANameWhatName · · Score: 2

    D-link's rep was buried long ago.

    I'd tend to say that D-link's rep is long-lived and very consistent.

  11. xmlset_roodkcableoj28840ybtide by Alsee · · Score: 4, Funny

    Heay!
    That's the combination on my luggage!

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    1. Re:xmlset_roodkcableoj28840ybtide by qazxswedc · · Score: 2

      Don't worry. D-Link went from suck to blow a long time ago.

  12. The home router market is a an ongoing disaster by mtaht · · Score: 5, Interesting
    It's not just simple backdoors like the dlink one that are a problem.

    There is a systemic complete and total regard for basic tenets of security in nearly the entire home router/cpe market.

    Start with crypto - no hwrng and a known "less than ideal" version of /dev/random to feed your "secure" wpa and ssh sessions.

    Worse:

    There is no privilege separation in most routers, which was ok when they were single function devices - BUT: not ok, when vulnerability via services like samba can be used to root most of the top 10 current home routers:

    http://securityevaluators.com/content/case-studies/routers/soho_service_hacks.jsp

    Once an attacker p0wns your home gateway they can change your dns to malicious sites, as dnschanger did:

    http://www.dcwg.org/

    or have it participate in botnets, or inflict further attacks on unsuspecting devices both inside and outside your firewall, or sniff your traffic - there is no security when your front door is left wide open.

    What nearly every home router and cpe manufacturer is shipping is **rotware**, running 4-7 year old kernels with known CVEs, and 10 year old versions of critical services like dnsmasq. You'd think that new 802.11ac devices available for this christmas might have some modern software on it, but just to pick out a recent example - the "new" netgear nighthawk router runs Linux 2.6.36.4 and dnsmasq 2.15, according to their R7000 gpl code drop -

    http://kb.netgear.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2649

    Brand new hardware - 4+ and 10 year old software respectively.

    It's unfair of me to pick on Netgear, every router I've looked at this christmas season has some major issues.

    Right now, the only current hope for decent security in home routers is in open, modern, and maintained firmware. And I wish the manufacturers (and ISPs, AND users, and governments) understood that, and there was (in particular) a sustainable model for continuous updates and upgrades as effective as android's in this market. I don't care if it came from taxation, isp fees, or built into the price of the device - would you willingly leave your networks' front door open if you understood the consequences?

    Rotten routers with closed source code, and no maintenance, are a huge security risk, and they are holding back the ipv6 transition, (and nearly all current models have bufferbloat, besides)

    How can the dysfunctional edge of the Internet be fixed?

    1. Re:The home router market is a an ongoing disaster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Right now, the only current hope for decent security in home routers is in open, modern, and maintained firmware"

      Nah. The only lonely hope fer descentified home security routers is to build sum yerself. It aren't that hard. What hillbilly don't got a beige box layin' about and a spare NIC? Need juz... uh... count 'em: | | <- Dis manny Etherport whatsits to build a maximam security gateway. I tighted two screws (righty tighty, leftie loosie), got dem dere PCI card hooked up. Putted in a CD, wot axed a few questimations, and done.

      Oh, but dis is dat dere big brained slashamadoodle folks. Fergiven ma pardon. Ain tryin' ta make yah look dum 'er nuffin. Ya'll cityfolks done figgered dis shit aout.

      Juz liek ta bitch an' moan is all, eh?

      's like gramppy says: Yah can lead a geek ta a solution, butcha go ta jail if ya drown 'em in it.

  13. A big problem by AndrewStephens · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is NOT a small, obscure problem for users of DLINK routers. Although it does not open up Wifi access or anything like that, having access to the configuration panel of your router is bad news even from inside the network. I can't think of anyway to automatically exploit it via a browser (XSS-style) but a small executable (or trusted Java applet, for instance) could do it.

    Additionally, I wonder how many small establishments are offering free wifi using DLINK equipment. Those networks are now vulnerable.

    If I was a bad(er) guy, the first thing I would change would be the DNS settings. Forcing all computers behind the router to use a DNS I control opens up all sorts of interesting ways to mess with people.

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    1. Re:A big problem by viperidaenz · · Score: 5, Informative

      Apparently IE might let you change the user agent
      http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6995311/how-can-i-spoof-the-user-agent-of-a-javascript-get-request
      You'd just need to work in some cross domain exploit somehow... or have a subdomain of your website resolve to 192.168.1.1

    2. Re:A big problem by elp · · Score: 2

      This is not the first time D-Link have been caught doing stuff like this, and the DNS attack is exactly what happens when the bad guys find out.
      This was a big issue here in South Africa a few months ago. Telkom (the local state owned incompetent telco) were selling approved DLink modems with helpful extra admin accounts (username: support password: support was one I saw) which suddenly started redirecting traffic to interesting locations.

    3. Re:A big problem by SethJohnson · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Certainly, DNS would be a pretty quick way to abuse all devices on the other side of the router. It might be detected when the owner verifies the settings themselves or watches their own network traffic and observes the DNS lookups hitting the wrong destination. It's likely that this would have set off red flags before now. Many anti-malware packages check for DNS redirections, for example.

      Being able to manipulate the router's config interface would allow an external entity the ability to upload a new firmware to the router. The new firmware would offer the attacker switches to flip at will that would enable packet sniffing of all traffic and man-in-the-middle SSL attacks. Organized crime / NSA (redundant to mention both, I know) seek no deeper capabilities than this.

      You bring up a great point of smaller establishments running WiFi on D-Link equipment. Perhaps their SSID's should be modified to read, "HACKED BY NSA - DO NOT USE!"

  14. Re:And? by icebike · · Score: 2

    Well are you running an administration service on an open Internet facing port?

    Your router won't get a chance to read the user agent string if you don't allowed an inward connection.
    Then all you have to worry about is your insiders.

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  15. Yes they did, TAO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Read it and weep:
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-spy-agencies-mounted-231-offensive-cyber-operations-in-2011-documents-show/2013/08/30/d090a6ae-119e-11e3-b4cb-fd7ce041d814_story_1.html

    "Much more often, an implant is coded entirely in software by an NSA group called Tailored Access Operations (TAO). As its name suggests, TAO builds attack tools that are custom-fitted to their targets. "

    "Tailored Access Operations has software templates to break into common brands and models of “routers, switches and firewalls from multiple product vendor lines,” according to one document describing its work."

    So on the one hand they're supposed to defend US networks from attack, while on the other hand they have detailed knowledge of these backdoors and use them for their own use while keeping them secret.

    So yes, the NSA did have a hand in it, at the minimum it kept it secret while exploiting it.

  16. Well, what do you expect by muecksteiner · · Score: 2

    In most of the companies that do such gear, the chap(s) in charge of actually developing and making them are treated as disposable cost factors. Who are under constant threat of being outsourced to some third world country. And the products they develop are basically abandoned once the next release hits the shelves, otherwise the incentives to buy new stuff would not be as high.

    All the while the Cxx who "supervise" them (and who in a lot of cases couldn't even configure the products the company makes, let alone really care) walk away with more or less obscene bonuses. You know, just to show the little guys who is boss, and so.

    Not a big surprise, then, that the developers apparently don't put their entire energy in making the best possible product. Would you, in their stead?

  17. Re:Thank Goodness... by complete+loony · · Score: 2

    So it looks like this was a deliberate addition so that the router's internal tools could use http requests to change config. Why didn't they just check for incoming requests from localhost? Surely that would have been simple and safe enough? So instead they create something that they *know* is a backdoor.

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  18. updating contacts by roscocoltran · · Score: 2

    D-Link should update their firmware: Joel left the company a long time ago. And you should never hard-code usernames in a firmware, only group names. This is basic stuff.

  19. Idiot pruf by TiggertheMad · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a software engineer who has worked on some larger projects, I can tell you that you are in fantasy land if you think that every line of code can be vetted without spending a small fortune on code review. Those costs might be justifiable for a project like a space shuttle guidance system, where the cost of failure is billions of dollars and multiple lives, but nobody is going to shell out that kind of budget for a sub $100 consumer router.

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    1. Re:Idiot pruf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      nobody is going to shell out that kind of budget for a sub $100 consumer router.

      except such routers are the first line of defense, in many cases, of such things as a space shuttle guidance system....

      (don't blame me for what nasa engineers have running at home...)

    2. Re:Idiot pruf by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That only applies if you think of the firmware as being worth the sale of only one router. The models listed are all consumer grade, but I'm willing to bet that because they're cheap they're also popular. Your $100 router all of a sudden is $10m in sales if 100k are sold, across those six (so far identified ) ranges. Not so hard to imagine? Now think of those who work from home over networks served by that hardware, or the SMB with only a couple of clients on the network and no need for professional switching equipment. Now it's business loss to consider, even if only downtime to fix the breach is the only loss experienced.

      I can easily see something like this having the potential to cause losses not dissimilar to your "shuttle crash" scenario. It's "keys to the kingdom" external access to what should be a private network.

      Finally, there's no chance in hell of even 1% of these devices receiving a firmware update. Nobody (outside of us) upgrades the firmware on their home router; They run it from factory until death, then buy another one. These devices will be vulnerable for the foreseeable future.

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    3. Re:Idiot pruf by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      If you have a serious amount of money riding on your $100 modem/router/wifi being secure from within your own network then no amount of legislation is going to help you.

      It doesn't matter how much money you have riding on your $100 router, it's serious if it's all your money. Which for many people is just a few hundred dollars in a bank account (if that!) which they need to feed their family. But if they don't participate in the internet, then they're not a member of modern society and their situation may well worsen. How much do you propose someone in this situation spend on a home router? Remember, your arrogance will be recorded for posterity.

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    4. Re:Idiot pruf by frootcakeuk · · Score: 2

      "Nobody (outside of us) upgrades the firmware on their home router; They run it from factory until death, then buy another one."

      You had a really good point till you said this. What a load of shit!

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    5. Re:Idiot pruf by JohnFen · · Score: 3, Informative

      As a software engineer working on a large consumer product, I can attest that every single line of code coming from our team goes through code review. It does increase short term costs a bit (but not prohibitively), but results in great net savings over the long haul as most defects are found before shipping, when code fixes are cheap. Finding and fixing the same defects after shipping is horrendously expensive and results in angry customers.

    6. Re:Idiot pruf by Obfuscant · · Score: 2

      This would be good for everyone but the shareholders.

      Good for the shareholders, too. It costs money to design and produce new versions of product with each new set of bells and whistles.

      An issue that most companies seem to forget is brand loyalty. Even when such loyalty is as simple as "I had brand X model Y for several years and now it has failed. I need a new one. I'd buy the same thing because I am used to it and know how it works, but I can't because the company doesn't make it anymore." There are uncounted times I've gone through this process, having to go find a replacement device for something I've used and has worked well for a long time, eventually deciding on a different brand because I was forced to.

    7. Re:Idiot pruf by mstefanro · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think it is? http://tsd.dlink.com.tw/downloads2008detailgo.asp
      Someone commented on another website with this link: https://gist.github.com/ccpz/6960941 which shows
      the backdoor string being defined in some config.

  20. Why bother? by Bert64 · · Score: 2

    Why do all these router vendors even bother producing their own nonstandard firmware?
    Most of the hardware is based around a small set of common chipsets anyway, so why not use an existing firmware such as dd-wrt or openwrt.

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    1. Re:Why bother? by wvmarle · · Score: 2

      Branding. Same reason Samsung has all but forked Android. If they don't, there is no difference any more between various devices.

  21. Re:Cisco by cjjjer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Remind me never to pick you as a team-mate for Trivial Pursuit.

  22. Re:Is this where I get to feel smug? by kestasjk · · Score: 2

    How about this one from a month ago?

    You can also compare Apple's 2095 vulnerabilities for 97 products to D-Link's 43 vulnerabilities for 40 products.

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  23. NCEES certifies software engineers too, more prova by raymorris · · Score: 2

    Minor nitpick - you're thoroughly mistaken. The National Council of Examiners for Engineering and Surveying has standards for certifying software engineers just like any other branch of engineering.

    "The term engineer is reserved for disciplines requiring strict standards and provable output"

    Perhaps you're unaware that software can be much more provable than concrete or steel. Dlink could have had strict standards that would have prevented this problem. Few developers employ engineering methods properly, and few developers create software that is known to be reliable.

    Most people building software are not engineers, just as most people building houses are not engineers and most people building machines are not engineers. Go back to your Engineering 101 book and look up the definition of "engineering". It's 100% applicable to the design of software systems. People simply fail to apply it where they should, in many cases.

    The fact that I can build a shed without an engineering degree doesn't mean civil engineering doesn't exist, and simple software doesn't mean there's no such thing as properly engineered software systems.