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Nokia Design Guru Urges Apple To End Cable Chaos

An anonymous reader writes "Nokia's former head designer has called on Apple to work with the broader technology industry and end its policy of having proprietary connectors for its device chargers and accessories. Other experts say Apple cannot continue to go it alone with Lightning Connectors and ignore Micro USB."

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  1. Oh, I totally agree... by jawtheshark · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Oh, I totally agree... With the slight difference that I actually think that the Lightning connector is actually better design. It's small and orientation less and rather robust. Micro-USB, while ubiquitous, is rather fragile and has orientation. It'd rather see all phone manufacturers switch to the Lightning connector instead. I know this won't happen, especially since the EU mandates Micro-USB.

    Oh, and before you accuse me of being an Apple fanboy. I'm still on a non-Lightning iPhone and if it wasn't my employer who paid for my phone, I wouldn't even have a smartphone.

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    1. Re:Oh, I totally agree... by LordLucless · · Score: 5, Informative

      I know this won't happen, especially since the EU mandates Micro-USB.

      And even more especially because Apple has patented aspects of the Lightning connector, and have no intentions of sharing.

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    2. Re:Oh, I totally agree... by jawtheshark · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not saying that proprietary is preferable. I'm saying that from the design, the lightning connector is better. That's if parent encumbered an proprietary doesn't mean that it can't be technically superior, right? In other words: it would be preferable to have an open connector with the hardware design characteristics of the lightning connector.

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    3. Re:Oh, I totally agree... by jawtheshark · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Absolutely. An open connector is preferable. Doesn't mean the Lightning connector isn't technically superior.

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    4. Re: Oh, I totally agree... by neonsignal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The difference being that Apple makes it very difficult for third party manufacturers, while the USB consortium are keen to get broad industry support. For Apple the patent seems to be used to exclude competition, while the USB patent holders and USB manufacturers are engaged in reciprocal and royalty-free licensing arrangements.

      From a libre point of view, a patented standard is not the same as a patent-encumbered standard; the difference lies in the licencing.

    5. Re: Oh, I totally agree... by gl4ss · · Score: 5, Informative

      they're friendly to ACCESSORY manufacturers.

      that's quite different from 3rd party hw manufacturers...

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    6. Re:Oh, I totally agree... by JeffOwl · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "...a fragile mess." What are you people doing to your phones? I've never had a micro USB connector fail, either in the cable or on the phone. Maybe I'm just lucky?

    7. Re: Oh, I totally agree... by Sockatume · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, "some company" does not own "the patent" on microUSB. USB was developed by an industry consortium to be a shared standard and, by design, no one company controls it.

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    8. Re:Oh, I totally agree... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What complete muppet designed USB, a frequent plug-unplug connector by nature, to have orientation?

      It was the genius who understood the product requirements for a ubiquitous, low cost and robust connector.

      There are only two ways to avoid having orientation. You can have pins on both sides of the connector in a mirrored formation, or you can have a multiplexer in the device. Mirroring requires duplicate sets of pins, which means twice as many failure points and more PCB space dedicated to pads and signals instead of large anchor points to give the connector mechanical strength. It also increases cost. Multiplexers for high speed signals are not cheap either, and having a more complicated PCB layout for high speed signals also adds cost.

      Lightning works for Apple because their products are expensive. It isn't suitable as a universal connector for all manufacturers. The genius of Micro USB is that it is cheap but also robust (the cables are designed to break in order to save the connector, which is rated at 10k cycles minimum) and supports very high speed signals like MHI/HDMI which the Lightning connector does not.

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    9. Re: Oh, I totally agree... by TheP4st · · Score: 5, Insightful

      effectively destroyed any "lock-in" that it commanded.

      Did they destroy it in favor of a design they do not own the rights to, or did the move from one design lock-in to another?

      Hint: Not very much happened that invalidate my argument.

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    10. Re: Oh, I totally agree... by GrumpySteen · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Embedding a proprietary security chip in the cable so that the device can refuse to work with third party cables is helpful to third party manufacturers?

      That's one weird-ass definition of helpful you've got there.

    11. Re:Oh, I totally agree... by DrXym · · Score: 5, Informative

      Fixed that for you.

      You didn't fix it very well.

      There are at least 2 data protocols which will output video from micro-USB. MHL and Slimport (aka MyDP, mobile DisplayPort). Both can do 1080p60 output (i.e. FullHD and 3D), and aside from how they draw power, they work in a similar way to the end user - plug dongle into phone, plug HDMI cable into dongle, plug power (if applicable) into dongle, and play. Dongles start from $20 up.

    12. Re:Oh, I totally agree... by elp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And they couldn't put the chip in the device itself because? Ethernet has been doing this to avoid needing cross-over cables for years.

  2. Micro-usb 3.0 is so awful, Lightning makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Reason for Lightning: see this hideous microUSB 3.0 cable what sort of shitty design is this? I know it's backwards compatible, but the USB standard was not future-proof as one can see from the picture, so it deserves to die.

  3. Re:European regulations by Amouth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple uses the charge port/connection for handling all of the accessories and controlling what goes on the market for their phones while also getting a nice chunk of change in licensing fees.

    If they are forced to comply with the European regulators, my bet is they will just add a micro USB-B port to the side of the device that is only connected for charging period while keeping their proprietary connector for everything it does now. I predict it will also be in an inconvenient location say the right side of the phone. And it may only be done for phones intended for orginal sale in Europe (although that is more dependant on sales volume their vs. supply chain cost/impact).

    Either way they are going to do their best to comply with the letter of the law, and keep every bit of their business model and revenue streams intact.

    I'd actually be willing to put money on this one,

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  4. Yep by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If Apple's issue really was that micro USB was too fragile, well they could have introduced a new, standard, connector to fix that. Design a "mobile USB" standard, that is durable, orients either way, integrates pins for HDMI, etc. Get it all nice n' designed and tested, then hand the design over to the USB Group, royalty free (like all USB standards). Particularly if it was going to be part of new Apple phones I don't imagine that there'd be a lot of resistance to adoption.

    The EU's mandate doesn't come from a love of micro-USB, but rather the need for a standard, whatever that is. Micro-USB is the best we've got and the most prevalent, so that is what they are going for. If there was a better one out there, particularly if you could show how increased durability could lead to longer life and less waste, I think it'd have a good chance of being the standard.

    However Apple has no interest in that at all. Their new connector wasn't made because micro-USB is so bad, it was made because Apple desires to be the only place you buy Apple accessories.

  5. Re:Obligatory xkcd by ArcadeMan · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is slashdot, there is no need for a descriptive link. Just say "xkcd 927".

  6. Re:Frank Nuovo by sphealey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nokia. Nokia. Where have I been reading about Nokia lately? Oh yeah, that was the world-dominating handset company whose senior team decided in 2007 that the Apple iPhone was not a serious threat to their existing business. And a few years later killed their potentially iPhone-competitive product line. Good source of techno-business insight without a doubt.

    sPh

  7. Re:First world problems. by AC-x · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most of these phones become obsolete before the need a new cable. Usually those extra accessories will try to take advantage of a unique feature in the phone, so even if the cable fits it doesn't mean the software will work with it.

    Bullshit, every single usb charger I've ever owned has worked with every single non-Apple usb device without any issues. The whole point of this standard is so that every phone does work, hassle free, with every charger (in fact the only devices I've seen complain about usb charging are Apple devices, go figure).

    Also just because almost all phones come with a charger doesn't mean you won't need to either replace it or buy a 2nd charger, and if you had a previous phone you already have a perfectly good 2nd charger with no need to buy another one because your new phone is incompatible.

    You know what? I count being able to borrow anyone at work's usb charging cable and have it work on my usb phone as a good thing.

    The EU Law on this is just one of their Lets just find a way to stick it to the Americans law, because they had a fit that Apple took over Nokia lead.

    Or maybe the EU cares about doing what's good for consumers and not just what's good for the company that pays them the most money.

    If Apple "needs" a proprietary connector then they can put both a micro-usb connector and their expensive proprietary DRMd cable.

  8. Re:First world problems. by AC-x · · Score: 5, Insightful

    in america we believe in something called private enterprise. where people can make products and sell them.

    Rubbish, the US has plenty of standards. Would you like to see every home and apartment have its own proprietary mains power sockets? Every car manufacturer have its own type of filling nozzle? Every wi-fi router require a proprietary wi-fi adapter? Every TV and DVD player have its own proprietary video connector? No, I didn't think so. Why should phones be any different?

    Remember that this was the free market's answer to phone charging, the EU decided that it was in citizens interests that a standard be set up so we don't have to deal with endless proprietary cables any more.