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PM Calls Facebook Irresponsible For Allowing Beheading Clips

An anonymous reader writes with this excerpt: "David Cameron has attacked Facebook as irresponsible for lifting a ban on videos of beheadings being posted on its site. The prime minister said the social network must explain its decision to allow images showing decapitations to worried parents. Facebook has said users should be free to view such videos and then condemn the content. Cameron wrote on Twitter: 'It's irresponsible of Facebook to post beheading videos, especially without a warning. They must explain their actions to worried parents.' Facebook introduced a temporary ban on such videos in May but has since decided to remove the block on the grounds that the site is used to share information about world events, such as acts of terrorism and human rights abuses."

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  1. Helping him censor the web for him now by alexkaskasoli · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unfortunately this will likely help him in his quest for web censorship...

  2. Excellent by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is wonderful news. Facebook will now be blocked by default in the government porn filters, and thus far more people will opt out of them. Turns out Facebook is actually useful for something.

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    1. Re:Excellent by fatphil · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I was expecting your post to veer in this direction:

      This is wonderful news. Facebook will now be blocked by default in the government porn filters, and thus far more people will just give up on using facebook, and it will be forgotten about and disappear. Turns out the government is actually useful for something.

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  3. Won't somebody think of the children... by Martz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    'It's irresponsible of Facebook to post beheading videos, especially without a warning. They must explain their actions to worried parents.'

    So much fail...

    Facebook doesn't post any beheading videos. It's users do.
    I thought we were allowed to be irresponsible as long as it's legal?
    If my Facebook friends don't like the content that I may or may not post, then they can hide it or unfriend me.

    Looks like he's trying to win Family Votes, and slashdot is helping to peddle this crap.

    Shame on you timothy. Shame on you.

    1. Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by Barsteward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think banning porn videos, bare breasts etc but not beheading videos shows a complete hypocrisy especially with this statement from the dick heads.

      "Facebook has long been a place where people turn to share their experiences, particularly when they're connected to controversial events on the ground, such as human rights abuses, acts of terrorism and other violent events. People are sharing this video on Facebook to condemn it. If the video were being celebrated, or the actions in it encouraged, our approach would be different," Facebook said in a statement.

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    2. Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by daem0n1x · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Then allow people to post nudity and sex. I can't see how naked people can be considered worse than a guy getting his head cut off. American puritanism in its worse.

      And before all the jingos start telling me "if you don't like American puritanism, then don't use Facebook", I declare: I don't use it.

    3. Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Facebook doesn't post any beheading videos. It's users do.

      You're right. But Facebook chooses if that's what they're willing to allow on their site.

      Somehow I doubt this is some noble thing about freedom of expression like they're saying -- I strongly suspect it's more about the advertising revenue generated.

      Zuckerberg and Facebook can claim some principled stand, but from what I've seen, it's likely just plain old greed.

      I'm not convinced they're actually capable of being principled on these things -- they want to do two things, make as much money as possible, and collect as much of your personal information as they can (so they can make as much money as possible). But lets' not pretend that Zuckerfuck is, or ever has been, a principled actor in all of this.

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    4. Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I thought we were allowed to be irresponsible as long as it's legal?
      If my Facebook friends don't like the content that I may or may not post, then they can hide it or unfriend me.

      Facebook is not a common carrier because they already censor content. For example, they censor stills of breastfeeding in which you can barely see a breast. They are the only and ultimate arbiter of what content is permissible on their site, and therefore they should be legally responsible for all of it.

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    5. Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And yet it's the UK that is rolling out a country wide porn filtering system that you have to opt out of.

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    6. Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by Baloroth · · Score: 2

      Yeah, the Puritans. Know where they came from, originally? Hint: it wasn't America.

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    7. Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by operagost · · Score: 2

      To be fair, pornography is different from actual videos of terrorists beheading someone. Porn is fiction, murder is not. That, of course, doesn't excuse Facebook from banning any videos or pics of people nude in everyday, nonsexual situations.

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  4. Re:PM? Which country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There's a bunch of countries in the world with PMs. I have no fucking idea which one David Cameron runs. How bout throwing us a bone and just telling us which country we're talking about?

    Why not do what everyone else who lives outside the USA is expected to do (when they see the name of some US-based politician) and just Google it?

  5. Re:PM? Which country by TheP4st · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have no fucking idea which one David Cameron runs. How bout throwing us a bone and just telling us which country we're talking about?

    How about that you read or watch news about world events once in a while? Note that by world events I do not mean what Rihanna wore on the red carpet or what Justin Bieber did last night but actual politics as in that stuff that pretty much play an important part in our daily lives. Bone for the search engine impaired and generally ignorant.

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  6. Think of the worried parebts by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Funny

    The prime minister said the social network must explain its decision to allow images showing decapitations to worried parents.

    I would strongly advise worried parents not to watch decapitation clips.

  7. Re:so much for common decency by Thanshin · · Score: 2

    I wouldn't mind. I don't have friends who'd do such thing.

    If you have many friends who would like to post rape videos and snuff films maybe it's your problem and not everybody else's.

  8. New Headline! by flyneye · · Score: 2, Funny

    Facebook calls PM sissy fop for censoring what the children already see in games, on t.v. and in the backyard with a Barbie and Ken execution playset.

    " Who is this irritation and why does he not realize that "I" govern more people than his silly little country and the Catholic Church combined?" said Zuckerburg, wiping the powder from beneath his nostrils and grabbing another turkey leg. " Off with his head!"

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  9. Re:PM? Which country by cbope · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nah, he's just a 'Murican!

    Seriously, this is a MAJOR problem with the so-called "news" in the US. It's so US-centric (and crime and entertainment-centric) that even the prime minister of the UK is not known by name.

  10. Re:PM? Which country by tapi0 · · Score: 2
    There's a bunch of countries in the world with Presidents. I have no fucking idea which one Barrack Obama runs. How bout throwing us a bone and just telling us which country we're talking about

    It really needs to be consistently applied, don't you think - there's often a reference to something particularly USian that needs further research. Either concede that it's going to be necessary sometimes, given the nature of a summary, or give the full background detail for all regardless of if it originates in the US

  11. Re:PM? Which country by 91degrees · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He's criticising Slashdot. Whether he googles or not, Slashdot should still have provided this information. There's no reason not to say "British PM".

    Perhaps he should know. Perhaps everyone should, but for any snippet of information, there will be a non trivial number of people who are not aware of it. Good journalists provide the information concisely withut forcing the reader to get key details elsewhere.

  12. Re:PM? Which country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have no fucking idea which one David Cameron runs.

    That's OK. David Cameron doesn't know either.

  13. Damn... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is there any part of the internet (aside from its utility for dystopian surveillance) that hasn't caused David Cameron to open his horrible, gormless, marshmallow-face and drone on about 'the children' and 'irresponsibility'? It's as though his government has entirely run out of substantive policy or something...

  14. Re:Independence..... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    so what happened last time the British tried to enforce their morality across the pond....

    I don't remember the American Revolution having much of a moral element.... In fact, while we've done a great deal to get over it, the US was substantially stocked by a mixture of moralizing assholes too moralistic to get along in Britain (ye olde puritans) and would-be feudal lords who couldn't compete with the incumbents at home and therefore went abroad (ye olde slave plantation regions).

    Some political discontent, some economic interests; but King George wasn't exactly getting all up in our right to own filthy erotic lithographs...

  15. Re:PM? Which country by TrollstonButterbeans · · Score: 5, Funny

    David Cameron is British. A few years ago, he moved to the US to play soccer in California.

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  16. Headless breasts? by bradley13 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As pointed out elsewhere, Facebook has the same odd puritanical streak as found throughout the USA. You can watch people being beheaded, but they still firmly forbid pictures of breastfeeding moms. The sight of a female breast might excite prurient passions, whereas watching a murder is just spiffy.

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    1. Re:Headless breasts? by pla · · Score: 2

      As pointed out elsewhere, Facebook has the same odd puritanical streak as found throughout the USA. You can watch people being beheaded, but they still firmly forbid pictures of breastfeeding moms. The sight of a female breast might excite prurient passions, whereas watching a murder is just spiffy.

      How about "honor rape" as practiced by the same barbarians going around beheading infidels? I mean, as long as any visible breasts get blurred out, of course - Wouldn't want to accidentally titillate any impressionable young viewers, after all. Where does Facebook stand on that?

      I mean, since rape has its basis in power, not sex, Facebook should have no more problem with it than with plain ol' boring murder. So let us know, Zuckhead - The world needs to know where you draw the line on poor taste! I'd hate to get banned from your fine stream of ads for posting the "wrong" kind of torture porn.

  17. Re:so much for common decency by MROD · · Score: 2

    I suppose it is OK to post rape videos and snuff films on Facebook now as well.

    Probably is... as long as you don't show any nipples!

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  18. These are videos of crimes ... by MacTO · · Score: 2

    One thing to keep in mind is that these are videos of crimes. That is certainly the case in the Mexican excample that I saw cited.

    I'll leave it up to you whether you support the posting of videos of crimes, but I don't see a good reason for it. Even in the cases of political speech and exposing human rights violations, you rarely need to resort to messages that are so graphic.

    1. Re:These are videos of crimes ... by georgeb · · Score: 2

      One thing to keep in mind is that these are videos of crimes. That is certainly the case in the Mexican excample that I saw cited.

      Is there any case where a beheading is NOT a crime??? Not only should any decent human being consider such videos way outside any TOS for any website, but posting them should be a crime too. How come the same standard apply here as in the case of pedophilia? If owning a pornographic image/video involving minors is a major crime, how can there possibly be any argument that distributing beheading videos should be legal, tolerated, encouraged, anything really...

  19. Re: PM? Which country by TheP4st · · Score: 2

    Politics is only as important as we let them make it. It's hard sometimes for the politically active to acknowledge, but that's the deal.

    How silly of me, of course politics have nothing to do with unimportant things such as that the houses most of us live in are subjected to building codes, whether your children's school curriculum include intelligent design next to evolution or not, minimum wages, military spending and the taxes we pay towards it, infrastructure, health care, accessibility to clean water.

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  20. They made it very clear by Arker · · Score: 2

    "I'm not convinced they're actually capable of being principled on these things"

    Doesnt look to me like they even tried to pretend otherwise. Rather than taking a stand to censor or allow these videos, they seem to be saying they will censor them - but only if they dont like the reactions that are being posted. I believe that's the least principled stand they could possibly have taken here.

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  21. Re:so much for common decency by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 2

    Next thing you know, Facebook will be showing ads to people without any warning. Perhaps even children!

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  22. Re:PM? Which country by metrix007 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yeah, No.

    The UK isn't nearly as influential as the US. No country is. (Not American btw).

    If you live in Europe then yes, the UK is influential and the name of the British PM should be common knowledge.

    If you live on a different continent, I don't see why it's necessary.

    The again, I'd say knowing the leaders of all the G8, even G20 countries is basic knowledge most adults *should* have.

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