PM Calls Facebook Irresponsible For Allowing Beheading Clips

Not quite a dupe but by Dave+Whiteside · 2013-10-21 23:17 · Score: 1

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/10/21/239219/facebook-lets-beheading-clips-return-to-its-site
why not just add a post in there

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Helping him censor the web for him now by alexkaskasoli · 2013-10-21 23:19 · Score: 4, Insightful

Unfortunately this will likely help him in his quest for web censorship...

Re:Helping him censor the web for him now by gl4ss · 2013-10-22 00:14 · Score: 1

yeah nevermind that if you don't have people posting beheading clips as friends or friends who comment on them then you will not see them.
I have not seen not one, and I got something around 200 fb "friends" on the feeds. they know that there's other venues for gore than fb. I don't send titty pics to my mom nor do I send her goatse.
you could get them in your email too, if someone was sending them..

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Re:Helping him censor the web for him now by Anonymous Coward · 2013-10-22 02:15 · Score: 1

"especially without a warning"
There's no censorship with having a pop-up saying "Hey! This clip contains objectively objectionable content. Are you sure you want to see this?" or at least some basic form of age verification so that people don't stumble into it blindly or have it auto-load on them when all they want to do is read a post about it.
Re:Helping him censor the web for him now by Krojack · 2013-10-22 02:35 · Score: 1

What I don't understand is, they allow them to rally in the streets of Britain and shout over megaphones "death to britains, death to americans" but aren't allowed to post this on FB? /confused
Re:Helping him censor the web for him now by MacDork · 2013-10-22 03:26 · Score: 1

This will likely help Facebook seem relevant again too. No such thing as bad press.

Excellent by AmiMoJo · 2013-10-21 23:20 · Score: 5, Insightful

This is wonderful news. Facebook will now be blocked by default in the government porn filters, and thus far more people will opt out of them. Turns out Facebook is actually useful for something.

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Re:Excellent by fatphil · 2013-10-22 00:40 · Score: 3, Interesting

I was expecting your post to veer in this direction:

This is wonderful news. Facebook will now be blocked by default in the government porn filters, and thus far more people will just give up on using facebook, and it will be forgotten about and disappear. Turns out the government is actually useful for something.

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Re:Excellent by AHuxley · 2013-10-22 01:31 · Score: 1

Your country does not block Facebook, Facebook unblocks your country. Time for expensive NGO work and a bit of color revolution. The locals get the web 2.0 message http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour_revolution.
Meet your new opposition politicians.

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Won't somebody think of the children... by Martz · 2013-10-21 23:21 · Score: 4, Insightful

'It's irresponsible of Facebook to post beheading videos, especially without a warning. They must explain their actions to worried parents.'

So much fail...

Facebook doesn't post any beheading videos. It's users do.
I thought we were allowed to be irresponsible as long as it's legal?
If my Facebook friends don't like the content that I may or may not post, then they can hide it or unfriend me.

Looks like he's trying to win Family Votes, and slashdot is helping to peddle this crap.

Shame on you timothy. Shame on you.

Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by 91degrees · 2013-10-21 23:31 · Score: 1

Facebook doesn't post any beheading videos. It's users do.
Give him the benefit of the doubt here. It's clear what he means

I thought we were allowed to be irresponsible as long as it's legal?
Hasn't been the case in Nanny state Britain for a while. At least not as far as most politicians are concerned.

If my Facebook friends don't like the content that I may or may not post, then they can hide it or unfriend me.
But this leads to the question of why facebook blocked it in the first place, and how those factors no longer apply. If facebook feels that that harm is done and they want to prevent this then they can block them. If they feel these are not the case then they don't have to. Facebok should make up its mind which of these is the case.
Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by Barsteward · 2013-10-21 23:35 · Score: 4, Insightful

I think banning porn videos, bare breasts etc but not beheading videos shows a complete hypocrisy especially with this statement from the dick heads.

"Facebook has long been a place where people turn to share their experiences, particularly when they're connected to controversial events on the ground, such as human rights abuses, acts of terrorism and other violent events. People are sharing this video on Facebook to condemn it. If the video were being celebrated, or the actions in it encouraged, our approach would be different," Facebook said in a statement.

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Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by daem0n1x · 2013-10-21 23:55 · Score: 5, Insightful

Then allow people to post nudity and sex. I can't see how naked people can be considered worse than a guy getting his head cut off. American puritanism in its worse.
And before all the jingos start telling me "if you don't like American puritanism, then don't use Facebook", I declare: I don't use it.
Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by TheCarp · 2013-10-22 00:04 · Score: 1

As much as I mostly agree, I think its more a bit of being spineless than dick heads. Facebook is, at the end of the day, not going to be banned in the UK, and the company is a US company anyway.
Standing up to Cameron doesn't take much spine, its basically just good PR for Facebook.
Porn and erotic images (a friend was recently ranting about people reporting a picture a friend of her posted where her friend was wearing body paint) on the other hand, while they likely could get away with it, and could fight the shitstorm that it kicked up....have no incentive to do so.
Instead they put it on their users. Lock down your porn so only a few people can see it, and there is no real restriction. Close the closet door and you are ok, until you piss someone off and they report everything on your page.
Plus it would likely create sticky situations for them in making the min age to have an account lower than 18.

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Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by gstoddart · 2013-10-22 00:14 · Score: 4, Insightful

Facebook doesn't post any beheading videos. It's users do.
You're right. But Facebook chooses if that's what they're willing to allow on their site.
Somehow I doubt this is some noble thing about freedom of expression like they're saying -- I strongly suspect it's more about the advertising revenue generated.
Zuckerberg and Facebook can claim some principled stand, but from what I've seen, it's likely just plain old greed.
I'm not convinced they're actually capable of being principled on these things -- they want to do two things, make as much money as possible, and collect as much of your personal information as they can (so they can make as much money as possible). But lets' not pretend that Zuckerfuck is, or ever has been, a principled actor in all of this.

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Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by prefec2 · 2013-10-22 00:22 · Score: 1, Interesting

Cameron is presently converting the UK into a totalitarian state. He already has a central spy infrastructure, cameras at every corner, and a content control infrastructure (for pron of course, other stuff is allowed). He fights free press together with his friends in the conservative press (including Murdoch). Most likely, he will perform a referendum on UK-exit from the EU, which if it succeeds will help the EU and harm the UK in many ways. For Cameron it has the advantage that it is easier to dump the European human rights declaration, which he already blamed to be bad for the UK, because they have to treat foreigners/immigrants like humans.
But, yes he is right. The real problem are Facebook videos, photos, or posts. (Well FB sucks, but everyone is still free to not use it)
Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by Barsteward · 2013-10-22 00:51 · Score: 1

I think in cases like this where they try to prepare a clever "statement" to defend their idiotic choices, dick head==spineless

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Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · 2013-10-22 00:51 · Score: 1

It's reasonable to ask them why they allow these postings without so much as a warning or parental filter, given their reason for taking over from MySpace orients around kids and permitting private pages.

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Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by gl4ss · 2013-10-22 00:54 · Score: 1

fb blocked it in the first place because nannies were asking for it. what they could do maybe would be to introduce a M18 tag and let everything go in that.
it's not quite clear what he means because the nanny orgs lobbying him are wording it like facebook is posting the stuff - as if it wasn't their little kids "online friends" who were posting the stuff(I've never seen ANY gore on fb. plenty on other corners of the internet though).
that being said, cutting them is a short way of censoring a lot of activist news stories.
and wait until they hear about goatse.......

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Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by Pino+Grigio · 2013-10-22 01:17 · Score: 1, Interesting

Oh do shut up. Cameron had nothing to do with the creation and activities of GCQH, before 2010. He also wasn't responsible for CCTV cameras being put up all over the country. Cameron is against regulation of the press. A referendum on leaving the EU is what the people fucking want, regardless of what the end result would be. You have no idea whether that would be good or bad for the EU or the UK. His opposition to European Human Rights law is based on the fact that Islamic hate preachers can come to the UK and spread their shite, sponge benefits and resist deportation because they have a fucking cat, for 10 years at a cost of millions of pounds.
Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by JackieBrown · 2013-10-22 01:20 · Score: 1

Then allow people to post nudity and sex. I can't see how naked people can be considered worse than a guy getting his head cut off. American puritanism in its worse.
I guess you thought this story was about the American Prime Mister?
Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by drinkypoo · 2013-10-22 01:26 · Score: 2, Insightful

I thought we were allowed to be irresponsible as long as it's legal?
If my Facebook friends don't like the content that I may or may not post, then they can hide it or unfriend me.
Facebook is not a common carrier because they already censor content. For example, they censor stills of breastfeeding in which you can barely see a breast. They are the only and ultimate arbiter of what content is permissible on their site, and therefore they should be legally responsible for all of it.

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Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by daem0n1x · 2013-10-22 01:30 · Score: 1

Facebook is an American company. These stupid rules against nudity and sex are very clearly American-inspired.
Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by Anonymous Coward · 2013-10-22 01:34 · Score: 1

>A referendum on leaving the EU is what the people fucking want
And these same people honestly can't tell the difference between their ass and their elbow.
Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by intermodal · 2013-10-22 01:35 · Score: 1

Every time I think Cameron has truly demonstrated how much he fails at understanding technology, he goes and does something like this and proves how much worse his failures on that front can get. We have to remember, Cameron thought it was reasonable to believe ISPs could magically block porn as well in some reliable fashion.

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Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by Baloroth · 2013-10-22 01:43 · Score: 4, Interesting

And yet it's the UK that is rolling out a country wide porn filtering system that you have to opt out of.

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Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by daem0n1x · 2013-10-22 01:53 · Score: 1

American puritanism had to come from somewhere...
Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by Anonymous Coward · 2013-10-22 02:00 · Score: 1

> Cameron is against regulation of Rupert Murdoch
Fixed that for you.
Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by Baloroth · 2013-10-22 02:30 · Score: 2

Yeah, the Puritans. Know where they came from, originally? Hint: it wasn't America.

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Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by operagost · 2013-10-22 03:11 · Score: 2

To be fair, pornography is different from actual videos of terrorists beheading someone. Porn is fiction, murder is not. That, of course, doesn't excuse Facebook from banning any videos or pics of people nude in everyday, nonsexual situations.

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Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by operagost · 2013-10-22 03:13 · Score: 1

Jingo... you keep using that word. I do not believe it means what you think it means.

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Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by operagost · 2013-10-22 03:15 · Score: 1

And clearly, stubborn douchebaggery comes from daem0m1x.

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Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by wvmarle · 2013-10-22 03:15 · Score: 1

1984 was set in (what used to be) the UK. Apparently Orwell was quite the clairvoyant. He just missed the actual year by a few decades.
Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by serviscope_minor · 2013-10-22 03:22 · Score: 1

Islamic hate preachers can come to the UK and spread their shite, sponge benefits and resist deportation because they have a fucking cat, for 10 years at a cost of millions of pounds.
And you know what? The fucker has finally gone. The system worked eventually.
A clue: if you switch off rights for people you don't like, then they are not rights. Rights apply to everyone. That's the definition. Scoundrels included.
Secondly, he's pandering to the press on this one. There is not a single objectionable phrase (if anything it's too weak) in the EU declaration of human rights. I challenge you to find one.
The problem is the same with the US and it's constitution in that judges give madcap interpretations of it. Ones that make no logical sense at all.
The thing is the only solution he is proposing is to simply scrap the law so the pesky judges don't have the final say and you can be shat on by the government simply because you've raised the ire of the Daily Mail (ok hyperbole, I know).

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Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by daem0n1x · 2013-10-22 04:11 · Score: 1

Dude, you are nuts. I hope your whole post is a troll or else you need some psychiatric advice.
Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by Pino+Grigio · 2013-10-22 04:43 · Score: 1

If the first thing you do when you come to this country is break the law (in this case immigration law), your rights should be circumscribed accordingly. This is extremely easy to understand, is necessary as a practical measure to prevent people taking the piss and is something judges at the European Court should take into account. The problem isn't the declaration, it's the EC's interpretation of it in many cases.
Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by drinkypoo · 2013-10-22 05:24 · Score: 1

I think banning porn videos, bare breasts etc but not beheading videos shows a complete hypocrisy especially with this statement from the dick heads.
"Facebook has long been a place where people turn to share their experiences, particularly when they're connected to controversial events on the ground, such as human rights abuses, acts of terrorism and other violent events. People are sharing this video on Facebook to condemn it. If the video were being celebrated, or the actions in it encouraged, our approach would be different," Facebook said in a statement.
Actually, I feel less like there is proof that they are hypocrites after reading that statement. If people were posting porn videos, bare breasts etc. on facebook in order to say they were very bad things, then perhaps they might permit that.
Well, okay, not really. But you can't take things corporations say seriously, because they have no soul.

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Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by mrclisdue · 2013-10-22 05:34 · Score: 1

...make you unable to function in society or unable to form a child-baring relationship later in life...
classic.
Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by Stan92057 · 2013-10-22 05:49 · Score: 1

Fact: pornography,nudism is allowed in the USA. Its a billion dollar business so saying America is prudish and bans it, is just plain stupid. The USA just doesn't allow you to do,show theses things around kids.

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Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by Cederic · 2013-10-22 07:05 · Score: 1

In snail mail, it did.
Maybe you just aren't old enough.
Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by daem0n1x · 2013-10-22 09:35 · Score: 1

Scenes with full frontal nudity are common in European movies and series. There are statues of naked people in parks and squares in all European cities.
Obviously I don't think pornography should be shown to children, that's nuts. Between nudity and pornography there's a whole world of difference. Equating one to the other is indeed being prudish.
Forbidding pictures of naked breasts but allowing videos of decapitations is beyond my understanding. And pretty much everyone around here agrees, so it's not something I have. This thing is all over the news around here, as a sad joke.
Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by gatfirls · 2013-10-22 11:17 · Score: 1

I think that is probably more of a business decision. If they allow it the site would have been crushed immediately with porn and low value users.
Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by daem0n1x · 2013-10-22 11:27 · Score: 1

I think that is probably more of a business decision. If they allow it the site would have been crushed immediately with porn and low value users.
Voyeurs and psychopaths are more "high-value"?
Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by jandersen · 2013-10-22 20:46 · Score: 1

Facebook doesn't post any beheading videos. It's users do.
Hmm, yes, and drug dealers don't ruin lives, people do it to themselves. And so on. If you own a facility - a house or a website - where you invite people in and allow them to commit crimes, then you are an accomplice, especially if you benefit finacially from the activities. The only question here is whether posting videos of beheadings is a crime; IMO it should be. It isn't about whether it is good taste or not - these videos are for a large part posted by terrorists as propaganda. Is aiding and abetting terrorists a crime?

I thought we were allowed to be irresponsible as long as it's legal?
True - but legal is not always right. Even casual glance at what a clever lawyer can get you off the hook for should tell that much. In my opinion the law should be "right" - when you read it you should go "Yeah, that sounds fairly reasonable".
The thing about the attitude you seem to put on display is that you'd probably also say things like "Rules are made for being broken" and that sort of crap. To me that sounds like you are morally corrupt - it's OK to piss other people up and down as long as it is barely legal, and anyway, you just make your own rules as you go along. Who should be ashamed here?
Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by daem0n1x · 2013-10-23 21:46 · Score: 1

Nudity and porn are two completely different things.
Re:Won't somebody think of the children... by daem0n1x · 2013-10-23 21:48 · Score: 1

I can't see how naked people can be considered worse than a guy getting his head cut off.
Umm. Riiight.
I can't tell -- are you trolling, or is your moral compass genuinely that badly out of whack?
WTF?

American puritanism in its worse.
Yeah, this was a story about Britain.
But that's okay. I can see how you'd get them mixed up.
Not about the UK. Facebook is an American company, imposing the warped American sense of morality (illustrated in your previous paragraph) on everyone else.

Irresponsible, yes by FriendlyLurker · 2013-10-21 23:21 · Score: 1, Interesting

Irresponsible, yes, but it sure does help sell the whole war on terror. Look, this could be you if your country does not bend over and contribute to the world war on terror (Icelands experience).

Re:PM? Which country by Anonymous Coward · 2013-10-21 23:25 · Score: 5, Insightful

There's a bunch of countries in the world with PMs. I have no fucking idea which one David Cameron runs. How bout throwing us a bone and just telling us which country we're talking about?

Why not do what everyone else who lives outside the USA is expected to do (when they see the name of some US-based politician) and just Google it?

Re:PM? Which country by flyneye · 2013-10-21 23:27 · Score: 1

Are you really so crippled as to not have heard of Google?

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Of course.. by dirtaddshp · 2013-10-21 23:29 · Score: 1

Of course.. because David Cameron wants to ban and censor everything.

so much for common decency by Sterculius · 2013-10-21 23:34 · Score: 1

I suppose it is OK to post rape videos and snuff films on Facebook now as well.

Re:so much for common decency by Thanshin · 2013-10-21 23:36 · Score: 2

I wouldn't mind. I don't have friends who'd do such thing.
If you have many friends who would like to post rape videos and snuff films maybe it's your problem and not everybody else's.
Re:so much for common decency by MROD · 2013-10-22 00:13 · Score: 2

I suppose it is OK to post rape videos and snuff films on Facebook now as well.
Probably is... as long as you don't show any nipples!

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Re:so much for common decency by Thanshin · 2013-10-22 00:45 · Score: 1

"Minding about" does not equal "imposing one's view".
I don't like to live in a world where some people would post beheadings on their facebook for any but a very few reasons. However, I don't believe myself to be the judge of decency with the right to tell other people what they should or shouldn't share with their (and that's the key word) friends.
Re:so much for common decency by Cajun+Hell · 2013-10-22 02:29 · Score: 2

Next thing you know, Facebook will be showing ads to people without any warning. Perhaps even children!

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Re:so much for common decency by tibman · 2013-10-22 05:00 · Score: 1

I suppose that is true in an environment where only friends share with each other. But in my experience they are posted to public areas to gather attention. It's always an interesting moment when you scroll down and see that famous goatse image stretching across your screen.

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Re:PM? Which country by TheP4st · 2013-10-21 23:34 · Score: 2, Interesting

I have no fucking idea which one David Cameron runs. How bout throwing us a bone and just telling us which country we're talking about?

How about that you read or watch news about world events once in a while? Note that by world events I do not mean what Rihanna wore on the red carpet or what Justin Bieber did last night but actual politics as in that stuff that pretty much play an important part in our daily lives. Bone for the search engine impaired and generally ignorant.

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Think of the worried parebts by Chrisq · 2013-10-21 23:35 · Score: 4, Funny

The prime minister said the social network must explain its decision to allow images showing decapitations to worried parents.

I would strongly advise worried parents not to watch decapitation clips.

New Headline! by flyneye · 2013-10-21 23:39 · Score: 2, Funny

Facebook calls PM sissy fop for censoring what the children already see in games, on t.v. and in the backyard with a Barbie and Ken execution playset.

" Who is this irritation and why does he not realize that "I" govern more people than his silly little country and the Catholic Church combined?" said Zuckerburg, wiping the powder from beneath his nostrils and grabbing another turkey leg. " Off with his head!"

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Re:New Headline! by captainlavender · 2013-10-23 16:02 · Score: 1

I feel like watching a video of an actual human being losing their life is a little different than games and Barbies.
Re:New Headline! by flyneye · 2013-10-24 23:03 · Score: 1

Differentiate between what you feel, think, know and believe.
If you feel like watching one, watch one.
If you think it, is different, you don't know.
If you believe it is different, you don't know
If you know it is different, get Hollywood on it, we're all bored to tears.
If it was good enough for the Romans....

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Re:PM? Which country by cbope · 2013-10-21 23:42 · Score: 3, Insightful

Nah, he's just a 'Murican!

Seriously, this is a MAJOR problem with the so-called "news" in the US. It's so US-centric (and crime and entertainment-centric) that even the prime minister of the UK is not known by name.

Re:PM? Which country by tapi0 · 2013-10-21 23:47 · Score: 2

There's a bunch of countries in the world with Presidents. I have no fucking idea which one Barrack Obama runs. How bout throwing us a bone and just telling us which country we're talking about

It really needs to be consistently applied, don't you think - there's often a reference to something particularly USian that needs further research. Either concede that it's going to be necessary sometimes, given the nature of a summary, or give the full background detail for all regardless of if it originates in the US

Independence..... by nnet · 2013-10-21 23:52 · Score: 1

so what happened last time the British tried to enforce their morality across the pond....

Re:Independence..... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · 2013-10-22 00:06 · Score: 4, Insightful

so what happened last time the British tried to enforce their morality across the pond....
I don't remember the American Revolution having much of a moral element.... In fact, while we've done a great deal to get over it, the US was substantially stocked by a mixture of moralizing assholes too moralistic to get along in Britain (ye olde puritans) and would-be feudal lords who couldn't compete with the incumbents at home and therefore went abroad (ye olde slave plantation regions).

Some political discontent, some economic interests; but King George wasn't exactly getting all up in our right to own filthy erotic lithographs...
Re:Independence..... by fustakrakich · 2013-10-22 01:41 · Score: 1

so what happened last time the British tried to enforce their morality across the pond....?
We got the FCC

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Re:Independence..... by operagost · 2013-10-22 03:19 · Score: 1

And Australia is still full of criminals. Shut up, you blithering idiot.

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Re:PM? Which country by 91degrees · 2013-10-21 23:59 · Score: 5, Insightful

He's criticising Slashdot. Whether he googles or not, Slashdot should still have provided this information. There's no reason not to say "British PM".

Perhaps he should know. Perhaps everyone should, but for any snippet of information, there will be a non trivial number of people who are not aware of it. Good journalists provide the information concisely withut forcing the reader to get key details elsewhere.

Re:PM? Which country by Anonymous Coward · 2013-10-22 00:00 · Score: 5, Funny

I have no fucking idea which one David Cameron runs.

That's OK. David Cameron doesn't know either.

Damn... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · 2013-10-22 00:02 · Score: 4, Insightful

Is there any part of the internet (aside from its utility for dystopian surveillance) that hasn't caused David Cameron to open his horrible, gormless, marshmallow-face and drone on about 'the children' and 'irresponsibility'? It's as though his government has entirely run out of substantive policy or something...

Re:Damn... by king+neckbeard · 2013-10-22 00:18 · Score: 1

In order to run out, he would have to have some in the first place.

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Re:Condemn the content? by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · 2013-10-22 00:07 · Score: 1

Facebook prefers that you refer to that content as "unfriending videos".

Re:PM? Which country by TrollstonButterbeans · 2013-10-22 00:10 · Score: 5, Funny

David Cameron is British. A few years ago, he moved to the US to play soccer in California.

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Headless breasts? by bradley13 · 2013-10-22 00:12 · Score: 4, Insightful

As pointed out elsewhere, Facebook has the same odd puritanical streak as found throughout the USA. You can watch people being beheaded, but they still firmly forbid pictures of breastfeeding moms. The sight of a female breast might excite prurient passions, whereas watching a murder is just spiffy.

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Re:Headless breasts? by pla · 2013-10-22 00:54 · Score: 2

As pointed out elsewhere, Facebook has the same odd puritanical streak as found throughout the USA. You can watch people being beheaded, but they still firmly forbid pictures of breastfeeding moms. The sight of a female breast might excite prurient passions, whereas watching a murder is just spiffy.

How about "honor rape" as practiced by the same barbarians going around beheading infidels? I mean, as long as any visible breasts get blurred out, of course - Wouldn't want to accidentally titillate any impressionable young viewers, after all. Where does Facebook stand on that?

I mean, since rape has its basis in power, not sex, Facebook should have no more problem with it than with plain ol' boring murder. So let us know, Zuckhead - The world needs to know where you draw the line on poor taste! I'd hate to get banned from your fine stream of ads for posting the "wrong" kind of torture porn.
Re:Headless breasts? by arthurpaliden · 2013-10-22 00:54 · Score: 1

Right ending life is so cool but creating it, hell no.

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These are videos of crimes ... by MacTO · 2013-10-22 00:16 · Score: 2

One thing to keep in mind is that these are videos of crimes. That is certainly the case in the Mexican excample that I saw cited.

I'll leave it up to you whether you support the posting of videos of crimes, but I don't see a good reason for it. Even in the cases of political speech and exposing human rights violations, you rarely need to resort to messages that are so graphic.

Re:These are videos of crimes ... by georgeb · 2013-10-22 00:45 · Score: 2

One thing to keep in mind is that these are videos of crimes. That is certainly the case in the Mexican excample that I saw cited.
Is there any case where a beheading is NOT a crime??? Not only should any decent human being consider such videos way outside any TOS for any website, but posting them should be a crime too. How come the same standard apply here as in the case of pedophilia? If owning a pornographic image/video involving minors is a major crime, how can there possibly be any argument that distributing beheading videos should be legal, tolerated, encouraged, anything really...
Re:These are videos of crimes ... by andy.ruddock · 2013-10-22 01:20 · Score: 1

Is there any case where a beheading is NOT a crime???
Where it's the sentence of the court being carried out.

[Pedant mode off]

Although even in this case I'd much rather not see it. Saw one a number of years ago, still haunts me occasionally.

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Re:These are videos of crimes ... by AHuxley · 2013-10-22 01:39 · Score: 1

Try it.
1. Line your home with a few cameras and mics.
2. Take up some cause on Web 2.0 with a visible local press/police stance.
3. Wait till your ip is reported and you get a 'visit' at home.
4. Speak loudly for the mic ;)

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Re:These are videos of crimes ... by ImprovOmega · 2013-10-22 04:50 · Score: 1

Is there any case where a beheading is NOT a crime???
Where it's the sentence of the court being carried out.
[Pedant mode off]
[Pedant mode on] These beheadings often are the sentence of the court being carried out. The terrorists bring their courts and lawyers with them and justify their actions in Islamic law.
[Extended Pedant Mode On] Such punishment is not considered a crime when the actor is doing so as a duly authorized agent of a state whose sovereignty is generally recognized by the other sovereign states of the world community and the subject has been prosecuted and convicted through due process. Where such "court" is authorized by the whims of non-government organizations such as religious communities, terrorist organizations, or organized criminal enterprises, and the actor is authorized by same, such punishment is and should be considered a crime. [Extended Pedant Mode Off]
Now the things that got a person there may seem trivial or stupid, and the method of execution is about as brutal as you can get (short of outright torture) but such is the way of sovereignty.
Re:These are videos of crimes ... by georgeb · 2013-10-23 01:46 · Score: 1

only insofar as one could argue that owning and distributing pornographic material involving minors is should be legal because it's "posting evidence of a crime"

Re:PM? Which country by geminidomino · 2013-10-22 00:19 · Score: 1

When Mr Cameron starts sticking his dick into US affairs the way POTUS shoves his into every pie on the damn planet, you might have a point, but regardless of where you are, someone in your government is either taunting or sucking off the head of USGOV.

How about 'fake' beheadings? by mysidia · 2013-10-22 00:21 · Score: 1

I'm thinking of like: a web application, where you can upload a picture of some random politician of your choice.

And then the site will create an animation where there is a fake beheading, and, through the power of computer graphics; a plain color background is displayed, with the head replaced with a stub.

These fake beheadings could then be virally shared on FB

Re:How about 'fake' beheadings? by wvmarle · 2013-10-22 03:22 · Score: 1

With modern CG it shouldn't be too much asked to take the video of an actual beheading, and have the head of the person being beheaded replaced by someone you'd like to see beheaded. All the blood, gore, convulsions, and other effects are there already.
Bonus points for replacing the heads of the beheaders with another politician.
I think the hardest part of the above will be that to do this properly, you'd have to see those images for a very long time...

Re:PM? Which country by Cryacin · 2013-10-22 00:23 · Score: 1, Funny

Fed the troll, check.

Now to feed the chickens.

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Re:Think of the worried parents by K.+S.+Kyosuke · 2013-10-22 00:36 · Score: 1

In my country, during socialism, the majority also wasn't like that. They wouldn't imprison or hang people for political reasons. But they didn't do anything against it either.

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Re:PM? Which country by Big+Hairy+Ian · 2013-10-22 00:50 · Score: 1

Wow does that make Tony Blair = Gaza?

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Re:PM? Which country by JeanInMontana · 2013-10-22 00:52 · Score: 1

He's criticising Slashdot. Whether he googles or not, Slashdot should still have provided this information. There's no reason not to say "British PM". Perhaps he should know. Perhaps everyone should, but for any snippet of information, there will be a non trivial number of people who are not aware of it. Good journalists provide the information concisely withut forcing the reader to get key details elsewhere.

Slashdot did not make the submission. The link provided in the submission gives the reader all the information needed. There is no need for the poster you are defending to react in such a rude way.

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Re:PM? Which country by 91degrees · 2013-10-22 01:05 · Score: 1

Point taken about rudeness (although that's not uncommon amongst slashdotters). I do think that Slashdot editors could edit once in a while though; providing the information would be good form.

Most non-US publications will refer to "US President Barrack Obama" for prety much this reason even though it would be pretty astounding to find someone who doesn't know who Barrack Obama is. Adding the word "British" to the headline would have made this more immediately comprehensible.

Solution by vinlud · 2013-10-22 01:22 · Score: 1

Start posting CGI videos of beheading Mark Zuckerberg, I have a feeling he will change his mind

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Re:Solution by operagost · 2013-10-22 03:21 · Score: 1

This is brilliant.

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Re:PM? Which country by JeanInMontana · 2013-10-22 01:31 · Score: 1

Point taken about rudeness (although that's not uncommon amongst slashdotters). I do think that Slashdot editors could edit once in a while though; providing the information would be good form. Most non-US publications will refer to "US President Barrack Obama" for prety much this reason even though it would be pretty astounding to find someone who doesn't know who Barrack Obama is. Adding the word "British" to the headline would have made this more immediately comprehensible.

LMAO you criticize Slashdot for not editing, when you don't bother spell checking your own stuff? Not up for an argument but you might want to follow your own advice. Slashdot is not edited, it is user submitted snippets of info with links back to the source, more about the discussion of the subject than journalistic skills. Slashdot has many 'Anonymous Cowards' who are rude posters and trolls. However that is no reason to condone that behavior or participate.

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Re:PM? Which country by TheRaven64 · 2013-10-22 01:35 · Score: 1

Slashdot is not edited, it is user submitted snippets of info with links back to the source, more about the discussion of the subject than journalistic skills

Last time I had a story accepted, it was edited. By which I mean they deleted random bits and introduced a typo. If they're going to modify things, they could at least improve them...

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Re:PM? Which country by Big+Hairy+Ian · 2013-10-22 01:37 · Score: 1

Ahh spare me the googley challenged :(

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Re:PM? Which country by metrix007 · 2013-10-22 01:47 · Score: 1

What makes you think the UK is important enough that people from other countries should know the UK PM by name?

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Parents? by tompaulco · 2013-10-22 01:48 · Score: 1

Why are parents worried? You have to be 13 to have a Facebook account. Surely parents aren't letting their children who aren't old enough to meet the ToS of Facebook to have a Facebook account?

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Re:PM? Which country by metrix007 · 2013-10-22 01:48 · Score: 1

LMAO you criticize Slashdot for not editing, when you don't bother spell checking your own stuff?

A single post is not the same as a submission on one of the worlds most popular tech news sites.

Think before you post next time.

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Re:PM? Which country by g0bshiTe · 2013-10-22 01:50 · Score: 1

I live within the US and regularly have to google to find out which US-based politician the news is talking about.

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Let's test the fairness by Rambo+Tribble · 2013-10-22 01:55 · Score: 1

We should behead Zuckerberg and see if they carry that.

Re:PM? Which country by g0bshiTe · 2013-10-22 01:56 · Score: 1

More a slant on how our media is operating these days.

Growing up I knew who Margaret Thatcher was, she was constantly in our news making headlines. We never heard anything of Sir John, we know who Tony Blair was, Gordon Brown and David Cameron we've never heard of.

Kind of illustrates a pattern in our media. Most likely the only reason we know Tony Blair was the fact he was PM at the time Princess Diana passed.

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Denial of reality by sl4shd0rk · 2013-10-22 01:56 · Score: 1

These videos are horrific but that doesn't mean we need to "omg think of the children. censor, protect, etc". The real world is horrific sometimes and that's the reality of it. If you don't want your kids affected by the harsh reality of the internet, then get off your ass, turn off the tv and parent. Going for censorship because your too lazy to watch your kid will leave a very sad future for them and in the meantime, d-bags like Cameroon will take whatever liberty they can to construe these edicts into legal activity far-reaching into areas you never though possible.

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Why don't the parents explain by Anonymous Coward · 2013-10-22 01:57 · Score: 1

Why they let their kids use facebook unsupervised?

Every year following the gay pride parade in Toronto, there are a bunch of articles from "shocked" parents who's children were just exposed to such horrible sights as men kissing.

Every year I wonder WHY THE FUCK DO YOU TAKE YOUR KIDS TO THE GAY PRIDE PARADE?

Re:PM? Which country by g0bshiTe · 2013-10-22 01:57 · Score: 1

For the same reason it's important enough for other countries to know the President of the US by name.

These people make decisions that affect the world.

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Re: PM? Which country by TheP4st · 2013-10-22 02:06 · Score: 2

Politics is only as important as we let them make it. It's hard sometimes for the politically active to acknowledge, but that's the deal.

How silly of me, of course politics have nothing to do with unimportant things such as that the houses most of us live in are subjected to building codes, whether your children's school curriculum include intelligent design next to evolution or not, minimum wages, military spending and the taxes we pay towards it, infrastructure, health care, accessibility to clean water.

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This Will Not Do! by drainbramage · 2013-10-22 02:08 · Score: 1

How are we to remain in denial if we allow the lowly common public to see the atrocities, the inhumanity?

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Re:This Will Not Do! by lagomorpha2 · 2013-10-22 02:16 · Score: 1

Exactly this.
Banning the beheading clips would be irresponsible because it helps people look the other way and pretend things like this don't happen. If the media actually reported on things like the FSA's leader eating human hearts and using rape to encourage his troops among other major atrocities it would be political suicide for Obama to continue supporting him in Syria, but as things are the average citizen doesn't know or care.
Re:This Will Not Do! by drainbramage · 2013-10-22 09:51 · Score: 1

Perhaps you have missed broadcast TV?
Have you heard of Cable TV?

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They made it very clear by Arker · 2013-10-22 02:11 · Score: 2

"I'm not convinced they're actually capable of being principled on these things"

Doesnt look to me like they even tried to pretend otherwise. Rather than taking a stand to censor or allow these videos, they seem to be saying they will censor them - but only if they dont like the reactions that are being posted. I believe that's the least principled stand they could possibly have taken here.

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Re:PM? Which country by 91degrees · 2013-10-22 02:16 · Score: 1

Sure, as a non professional, I occasionally make mistakes. It's a comment though, not a front page article.

I have no idea why you think that submitted stories aren't edited.

Re:PM? Which country by JeanInMontana · 2013-10-22 02:29 · Score: 1

LMAO you criticize Slashdot for not editing, when you don't bother spell checking your own stuff?

A single post is not the same as a submission on one of the worlds most popular tech news sites.

Think before you post next time.

I did think before I posted. There are glaring typos in every post from the poster I am having the conversation with. Thus making complaints about Slashdot's editing is hypocritical at best. Besides there is nothing wrong with the original submission in question.

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Re:PM? Which country by JeanInMontana · 2013-10-22 02:34 · Score: 1

Sure, as a non professional, I occasionally make mistakes. It's a comment though, not a front page article. I have no idea why you think that submitted stories aren't edited.

There is no editing mistake in the submission. Why should poorly constructed comments be OK when they refer to proper editing? Come on, what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

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Re:PM? Which country by 91degrees · 2013-10-22 02:41 · Score: 1

There is no editing mistake in the submission.

No. Just poor editing.

Why should poorly constructed comments be OK when they refer to proper editing?

You're quite right. I concede that my comments should also be correctly edited. It's not really relevant though, except as an ad hominem. Even iff i make dozen's f mistakes, it doesn;t effect weather or not slashdot articles should be competiently edited.

Re:PM? Which country by metrix007 · 2013-10-22 02:45 · Score: 1

It isn't hypocritical. A participant on a news discussion site is not supposed to be held up to the same standard as the articles posted by the site itself.

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Re:PM? Which country by metrix007 · 2013-10-22 02:47 · Score: 3, Informative

Yeah, No.

The UK isn't nearly as influential as the US. No country is. (Not American btw).

If you live in Europe then yes, the UK is influential and the name of the British PM should be common knowledge.

If you live on a different continent, I don't see why it's necessary.

The again, I'd say knowing the leaders of all the G8, even G20 countries is basic knowledge most adults *should* have.

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Re:Condemn the content? by operagost · 2013-10-22 03:17 · Score: 1

You can report a post. If you have a post on your wall and click the X to get rid of it, it gives you this option. Naturally, some people I know are victimized by moronic friends or friends-of-friends who, instead of just closing the post or even blocking that person, decide to report the post and this results in a summary, temporary ban on posting.

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Re:PM? Which country by operagost · 2013-10-22 03:23 · Score: 1

How many people in the world know the American President by name? Just wondering what the results of your survey were.

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Re:PM? Which country by operagost · 2013-10-22 03:24 · Score: 1

Fox left in 2012! Nieto is in now.

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Re:PM? Which country by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · 2013-10-22 03:27 · Score: 1

The again, I'd say knowing the leaders of all the G8, even G20 countries is basic knowledge most adults *should* have.

I fear that you ask for too much. It would be nice if the voting population in the US was that informed but I bet most of them couldn't name their current sitting elected representatives to the US congress (house and senate).

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Cameron is the worst kind of person by kruach+aum · 2013-10-22 03:40 · Score: 1

a politician only interested in power. Additionally, facebook doesn't have to do shit.

Re:Condemn the content? by oobayly · 2013-10-22 04:20 · Score: 1

Quite frankly, if a friend of mine posted a beheading video on facebook I'd report it, just before I de-friend them. Then again, it won't happen as the my "friends" on facebook are actually friends who I see and socialse with. I don't think facebook should ban them, but allow users to police it, because most people will.

Then again, I'd be tempted report a photo of my sister breastfeeding, not because it's obscene, but because she's a breast feeding fascist (who thinks everyone who disagrees with her is an idiot) and it would massively wind her up.

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Re:PM? Which country by AlphaWolf_HK · 2013-10-22 04:52 · Score: 1

I live in the US, I don't regularly watch the news, yet I know who David Cameron is. I also know who Francois Hollande is, Stephen Harper...I could go on.

These names are frequently mentioned in the news, though they stick out particularly well to me because of some of the silly things they say, like Hollande wanting a 75% tax on the rich, stupidly not realizing that these taxes have ruined his own country's economy (France even taxes you on money that you don't even have, which has driven a ton of businesses out of the country.)

I think the problem is most people don't even understand what I meant by that last statement, and many like it, so the news is pretty boring to them. So instead they watch The Daily Show for their news, which basically is just news about whatever gaffe somebody made that particular day, real or imagined (most people I talk to think Sarah Palin actually said she could see Russia from her house, as per the SNL skit.) Seriously, that is the actual news source for many people, I'm not joking.

Though that isn't to say national cable news is any good. Really it's mostly crap - if it isn't some piece about how crappy our lives are, or some new threat (killer bees, flu strain, terror threat, etc) then it's Hollywood celebrity gossip (the later of which I think is the most boring news ever - yet oddly enough most people seem to get a kick out of it.)

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Re:PM? Which country by AlphaWolf_HK · 2013-10-22 04:53 · Score: 1

They do edit it, actually, and for the worse. I've had some key details removed from some of my submissions when they were posted to the front page.

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Re:PM? Which country by mcgrew · 2013-10-22 05:15 · Score: 1

How about that you read or watch news about world events once in a while?

So I take it you've memorized the name of every leader of every country in the world? Do you know who's in charge of Brazil? Germany? South Korea (It's a given you know who runs the north). Canada? Look, if you're going to name a country's leader in an international forum it's just stupid to not name the country, even if the country is the US or Russia. And stupidity should not be tolerated at a nerd site.

I should not have to google to find out who King Mswati III is.

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Re:PM? Which country by torsmo · 2013-10-22 06:03 · Score: 1

I think the reason the American public has heard of Tony Blair is coz he was their government's favourite lap-dog.

Re:Condemn the content? by lxs · 2013-10-22 07:39 · Score: 1

Breast feeding fascist? So that's what BFF stands for!

Re:PM? Which country by SleazyRidr · 2013-10-22 08:17 · Score: 1

I'm uninformed and the fact that other people might be more informed than I am is offensive to me. To counteract this, I will yell loudly about how uninformed I am to make sure everybody knows about it.

FTFY.

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Terrorists thank facebook for their cooperation. by MrL0G1C · 2013-10-22 08:57 · Score: 1

Well thank god for that, how could terrorists spread their message of hate and terror without Facebook's cooperation, thank you Facebook, from terrorists everywhere.

And that goes for the politicians and the news media too, thank you for scaring the shit out of people, rather than pointing out the low odds of being killed by terrorists, the terrorists would be nothing without you. You help to put the 'terror' in to terrorism.

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Re:PM? Which country by Zaelath · 2013-10-22 11:29 · Score: 1

Less important to know their local unit, those idiots never come up in conversation and it's not like Rumplestiltskin where knowing it will get you something useful.

Just because they "voted for them" (or against them) doesn't matter, since they were probably just following a party how to vote card anyway, the same as the local unit just votes whatever the leader says. If they went around thinking about everything they'd never get anything done.

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