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Why Johnny Can't Speak: a Cost of Paywalled Research

theodp writes "That there's no easy way for her to get timely, affordable access to taxpayer-funded research that could help her patients leaves speech-language pathologist Cortney Grove, well, speechless. 'Cortney's frustration,' writes the EFF's Adi Kamdar, 'is not uncommon. Much of the research that guides health-related progress is funded by taxpayer dollars through government grants, and yet those who need this information most-practitioners and their patients-cannot afford to access it.' She says, 'In my field we are charged with using scientific evidence to make clinical decisions. Unfortunately, the most pertinent evidence is locked up in the world of academic publishing and I cannot access it without paying upwards of $40 an article. My current research project is not centered around one article, but rather a body of work on a given topic. Accessing all the articles I would like to read will cost me nearly a thousand dollars. So, the sad state of affairs is that I may have to wait 7-10 years for someone to read the information, integrate it with their clinical opinions (biases, agendas, and financial motivations) and publish it in a format I can buy on Amazon. By then, how will my clinical knowledge and skills have changed? How will my clients be served in the meantime? What would I do with the first-hand information that I will not be able to do with the processed, commercialized product that emerges from it in a decade?'"

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  1. Simple by bondsbw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Taxpayer-funded research should be accessible by taxpayers.

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    1. Re:Simple by girlintraining · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Taxpayer-funded research should be accessible by taxpayers.

      It is, technically. By technically I mean, it was published once, in a 'free' publication, sent to a few libraries, and thus the public access requirement was met. But since you'll never find it there because it isn't indexed, searchable, or in any way known... it's effectively useless. See, once again our shitty co(r)p-y(a)-right system fucks us; They make it so if you assemble a collection of works together into a database, that now counts as a unique and copyrightable work unto itself. So... although the study is 'free' to the public... the "doesn't have to drive 500 miles to a library in the boon docks and find it on a shelf" convenience is what they charge for access.

      What we need is a 'google' of science/medical studies. Unfortunately our government's archaic and purposefully not updated methods of publication mean that if you want to get a digital copy... you have to contribute the labor to re-digitalization. Of course, you can get a digital copy... for a small additional processing fee. -_-

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    2. Re:Simple by martin-boundary · · Score: 2
      No. It should be accessible to all.

      Knowledge is like a road, even though taxpayers funded the building of it, tourists from other countries aren't forbidden to drive on it.

      Luckily, there are some hackers out there who understand this, and work hard to unlock journal articles and books so that the whole world can read them.

    3. Re:Simple by alvinrod · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's really as easy as that. If the government funds your research, a minimum requirement should be that it's freely available to anyone who wants it regardless of where else it might be published. It's probably incredibly sad, but I think I probably have more pirated research papers than I do music, movies, or other content. I find it surprising that "free open source" hasn't been widely applied to education in the same way that it has software.

    4. Re:Simple by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Taxpayer-funded research should be accessible by taxpayers.

      Seems publishers would have no problem with that if taxpayers are also prepared to pay the cost of publication.

      One of my clients is a "legacy" academic journal publisher. They actually offer an open access publication option for researchers where researchers can pay the publishing costs and have their article available freely online. It's priced lower than the open access journals, by the way. Seems they don't get many takers, though.

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    5. Re:Simple by noh8rz10 · · Score: 4, Informative

      you mean like adam schwarz? that didn't end well.

    6. Re:Simple by nbauman · · Score: 3, Informative

      You know about PubMed, right? http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed

    7. Re:Simple by pepty · · Score: 5, Informative

      By technically I mean, it was published once, in a 'free' publication, sent to a few libraries, and thus the public access requirement was met. But since you'll never find it there because it isn't indexed, searchable, or in any way known... it's effectively useless.

      What???

      The Policy implements Division G, Title II, Section 218 of PL 110-161 (Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2008) which states: SEC. 218. The Director of the National Institutes of Health shall require that all investigators funded by the NIH submit or have submitted for them to the National Library of Medicine’s PubMed Central an electronic version of their final peer-reviewed manuscripts upon acceptance for publication, to be made publicly available no later than 12 months after the official date of publication: Provided, That the NIH shall implement the public access policy in a manner consistent with copyright law. The Public Access Policy ensures that the public has access to the published results of NIH-funded research. It requires scientists to submit final peer-reviewed journal manuscripts that arise from NIH funds to the digital archive PubMed Central (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/). The Policy requires that these final peer-reviewed manuscripts be accessible to the public on PubMed Central to help advance science and improve human health.

      NIH/ NSF sponsored research published since 2008 is available on Pubmed for free 12 months after it is first published. Most of the rest you can rent from DeepDyve.com for about a buck an article.

    8. Re:Simple by noh8rz10 · · Score: 3, Informative

      i'm pretty sure that ms. parks didn't cause a spontaneous movement. rather, the movement was ready to go, and they chose rosa to make an iconic stand.

    9. Re:Simple by aepervius · · Score: 2

      "Seems publishers would have no problem with that if taxpayers are also prepared to pay the cost of publication."

      As learned from the traditional book/eBook publisher, the biggest cost of publication is not the printing, it is the correcting, the formating, and the setting in a correct format. *all* of that is handled during the review, or for the format by the maker of the article. They don't even have to provide advance in money tow rite the article, since the article are given for free. The biggest hurdle might be to organize stuff around like the peer review, but compared to normal publishing this is *nothing* in cost. Now try to compare the cost of a normal book to the cost of *EACH* article online. And try to tell us those cost are for the publishing. That's a big fat lie.

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    10. Re:Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's probably incredibly sad, but I think I probably have more pirated research papers than I do music, movies, or other content.

      "Back in the day," piracy was the single most common way to distribute scientific research. In fact, I still have three filing cabinets full of articles I xeroxed either from a library or from a fellow researcher. We call it fair use. The modern system is much better - higher quality type and images, fewer dead trees, and no more $0.10/page xerox fees. All NIH funded research is available for free no more than 1 year after publication. see http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=4382101&cid=45249551

      Honestly, every time I see one of these "paywalled research is hurting patients" bits on /. I wonder how the submitter, supposedly a health-care expert, has managed to stay ignorant of the 10-year-old requirement for archiving in PubMed Central and the resulting massive trove of free books and journals at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/

    11. Re:Simple by gweihir · · Score: 2

      Indeed. Charging the public again for research the public funded is theft, plain and simple. So is patenting publicly funded research (unless there is a perpetual free license for everybody) or keeping it secret.

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    12. Re:Simple by toppavak · · Score: 2
      Generally yes, although the specific restrictions may vary. From the link (PMC = PubMed Central):

      The PMC Open Access Subset some or all openaccess content is a part of the total collection of articles in PMC. Articles in the PMC Open Access Subset are still protected by copyright, but are made available under a Creative Commons or similar license that generally allows more liberal redistribution and reuse than a traditional copyrighted work. Note, however, that the license terms are not identical for all of the articles in this subset. Please refer to the license statement in each article for specific terms of use. We also provide a search-by-license feature, described below, which enables finding articles with specific reuse rights.

    13. Re: Simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is a lot of research outside of the NIH. Not everything gets published in PubMed.

      Surprisingly the US isn't the only country in the world, and surprisingly the NIH doesn't fund the entire global research. Even more surprising is that other countries not only exist but do their own research. Shocking I know.

    14. Re:Simple by CRCulver · · Score: 2

      As learned from the traditional book/eBook publisher, the biggest cost of publication is not the printing, it is the correcting, the formating, and the setting in a correct format. *all* of that is handled during the review, or for the format by the maker of the article

      Many journal publishers no longer correct and format your article. Rather, they expect you to send camera-ready text so they can just send it straight to the printer, and they do not provide any hands-on editing. For example, if you are a non-native speaker and slip up in the language anywhere, they expect the writer to have it corrected at his own expense before they accept it. Even peer review doesn't cost the publisher much money, since the peer reviewers are expected to work for free. Journal publishing is pretty much pure profit for the publisher.

    15. Re:Simple by pepty · · Score: 2

      so everybody should be able to parse pubmed, download any new articles, archive and serve them for free ? or would you get oritzed ?

      NIH grants free access, not a complete copyright waiver, so most articles aren't available for bulk download. You can search by license type for the ones that are.

      But you want to create a free mirror of a free public service? OK, but since the articles are already publicly available and searchable by date, author, words in title, abstract, or text, patent #, pharmacological action, chemical structure, molecular weight, # of hydrogen bond donors/acceptors, DNA/RNA sequence, amino acid sequence, and about a hundred other fields you will have your work cut out for you. You'll still have to wait 12 months after publication, until then you get only whatever the publisher wants you to see. I also don't see how this helps other people get more access for their own research/curiosity than they already have. Is PubMed lacking a feature that you need?

    16. Re: Simple by MickLinux · · Score: 2

      IIRC, by her own statement, Rosa didn't set out to defy authority. She had had an extremely bad day at work, she was tired, and her bad day just ended up being the straw that broke the camel's back.

      You are correct that the whole thing had been building, and finally overflowed.

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  2. NIH has addressed this by TXISDude · · Score: 5, Insightful

    NIH funded research must be put into PubMed Central, the NIH public portal, within 12 months of publishing in a journal.

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    1. Re:NIH has addressed this by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

      I don't know the NSF's exact rule, but for the last few years every grant proposal has been required to include a Data Dissemination Plan.

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    2. Re:NIH has addressed this by nbauman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's right. The journal that Cortney Grove gave as an example, Topics in Language Disorders http://journals.lww.com/topicsinlanguagedisorders/pages/default.aspx , does provide free access to papers funded by NIH, Wellcome Trust and Howard Hughes http://journals.lww.com/topicsinlanguagedisorders/_layouts/oaks.journals/nih.aspx

      I feel for her. I've been in the same situation as her and I've made the same arguments. Years ago it was even worse.

      That said, I think she's exaggerating the situation somewhat. I think she should have a talk with a good reference librarian in her field.

      (I do similar research, not in speech pathology but often in visual pathology, orthopedic handicaps, etc. She may have different needs, but I track down a lot of papers, with varying degrees of success.)

      You might want to have access to 100 journals, but nobody reads 100 journals cover to cover. I read a half dozen core journals every week, and I got access to a good database and a few journals through a couple of professional organizations. The New York Public Library has a few good databases online free to its cardholders, and the EBSCO Academic (or whatever they call it) has some good journals too. Every week or so I come across a journal that isn't included, so I email the author, or ask my friends. It used to be easy to get into an academic library, but now that universities are monetizing, it's getting difficult (but not impossible). The public library has all kinds of arrangements for ordering papers from other libraries.

      I think I know what Grove is doing. She's reading journal articles, looking at 200 footnotes, and she wants to read the ones that look interesting. I've done it myself. It's the sign (or maybe the vice) of a good scholar.

      Just to get an idea of the kind of articles we're talking about, here's one of the free articles in
      http://journals.lww.com/topicsinlanguagedisorders/Fulltext/2013/01000/Morphological_Awareness_Intervention_in_School_Age.4.aspx?WT.mc_id=HPxADx20100319xMP

      But there's a lot of redundancy. I used to collect a dozen articles, read them, and they all seemed to be saying about the same thing. A review article in the New England Journal of Medicine is about the same as a review article in The Lancet. If you've read one, you don't have to read the other (or the other six). If you can't read it in Topics in Language Disorders, you can probably read it in another dozen journals.

      So (since she's not doing research in an academic institution) she probably doesn't need 100 articles. She needs a professor or librarian or somebody to steer her through the literature and give her a half dozen articles that she should read.

      It's also an exaggeration to say that her clients won't get the benefit of the latest research. A practicing clinical speech therapist doesn't have to follow the basic research and theoretical arguments in the academic journals (although it's nice, and it's the sign of a good practitioner). You should be treating people according to consensus statements and guidelines. A lot of the latest stuff turns out to be wrong.

      You should find everything you need for clinical practice in a half a dozen core journals and a few professional meetings. If you want to be up to date, you have to take continuing education -- no way out of it. And the people who give continuing education courses can guide you through the literature.

      But if she takes the current research that seriously, she should have some academic affiliation, which would also give her library access. Admittedly, some charge exorbitant fees. But some universities used to give free library access to their alumnae, and even if they do charge

    3. Re:NIH has addressed this by Theleton · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That said, I think she's exaggerating the situation somewhat. I think she should have a talk with a good reference librarian in her field.

      There's another approach as well, though it's probably more for researchers than practitioners: just ask the authors to send you a copy of the article. It's not like they get royalties from the publisher, so they don't care whether you pay or not. They just want to get their research out there. Plus, every researcher who reads it is someone who might cite it, which they do care about.

    4. Re:NIH has addressed this by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2

      That's right. The journal that Cortney Grove gave as an example, Topics in Language Disorders http://journals.lww.com/topicsinlanguagedisorders/pages/default.aspx , does provide free access to papers funded by NIH, Wellcome Trust and Howard Hughes http://journals.lww.com/topicsinlanguagedisorders/_layouts/oaks.journals/nih.aspx

      Nope. Doesn't appear to.

      Here's an example paper which I picked at random from the journal : Differentiating Speech Delay From Disorder: Does it Matter?. There's a paywall on the journal site with a $30 fee.

      And here's the result of a search on PubMed for the same paper. I'm danmed if I can find it there.

      Perhaps this is due to my search coming from outside the US, but I doubt it. I don't think the papers are being made available, or at least, they are being made less accessable than the paywalled versions.

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  3. Corporations by cphilo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The United States has become a nation of public financing and private profits.

  4. I believe the intent... by tlambert · · Score: 4, Informative

    I believe the intent... is that all healthcare practitioners do not have private practices, but are instead employed by large healthcare conglomerates like Connecticut Life, United Healthcare, etc., and that those conglomerates have online access to the journals from their networks.

    As long as you do not hang out your own shingle, and remain a wage-slave to a large corporation, you will have no problem accessing the necessary publications.

  5. Re:Useful information sometimes costs money by theodp · · Score: 2

    She does explain that the problem is there's no guarantee that any of this information will be useful ("Topics in Language Disorders, for example, has a $122 subscription for four issues. But there's no guarantee that the articles I'll get in the four issues next year will be useful for me-and that's just one journal!"), and goes on to suggest she'd consider shelling out thousands for unfettered access, but that's not an option ("Even if I had to pay an acceptable yearly fee-if for $300 a month I could access everything-that would be better than how it is today).

  6. Re:Could US Attorney Carmen Ortiz Help Her? by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 2

    No, no, no: Swartz was able to download JSTOR articles at all because, as a research fellow at MIT, he had the exact same kind of access agreement. All he did was scrape stuff from the JSTOR site using that access. The submitter was wrong to write that portion of the summary.

    ...and at any rate, (most) NIH-funded research must become publicly accessible via PubMed Central within 12 months of publication, so this, too, is something of a non-story. Paywalls aren't quite as thorough (or elite) as we sometimes think.

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  7. Having worked for a Springer journal, by aussersterne · · Score: 5, Informative

    as a managing editor, I can tell you that they do not incur substantial expenses, and that academics provide the important parts of the service, essentially for free in the cases of most journals. It's not like putting out a magazine; we didn't even have copy or layout editors for our journal, the most inexpensive components of editorial labor. It paid the university department that hosted the journal a mere thousands (single digits) per year. There were two "paid" staffers—myself and one other person, The rest of the "editorial board" consisted of faculty of our and another several universities doing the work for free, under the auspices of the "professional duties" of the academics involved (not as paid by Springer, as paid by their respective institutions). Peer reviewers—free. Editorial labor (copy, layout to production files according to specs, submissions queue, even rough line editing, style work)—graduate students looking for a title to add to their emerging CVs.

    Essentially Springer's total cost for putting out the journal amounted to the several thousand (again, single digit thousands, split between myself and one other individual) that they (usually belatedly) paid our department annually for the entire journal in its substance, plus printing/distribution (a pittance given the circulation size of academic journals and the cost per print subscription—not to mention the increasing number of electronic-only subscriptions). They had one liason that handled our entire "account," and the level of labor involved allowed this person to be "over" several _dozen_ journals as just a single person. That's as much a labor footprint, in its entirety, as our journal actually had inside the "publisher."

    And for this, they held onto the reprint/reuse rights with an iron fist, requiring even authors and PIs to pay $$$ to post significant excerpts on their own blogs.

    Seeing the direction the wind has been blowing over the last half-decade, the department decided (and rightfully so) that it's basically a scam, that academic publishing as we know it need not exist any longer, and wound down both the print journal and the relationship with Springer several years ago, instead self-publishing the journal (which is easy these days) to much higher revenue for the department, and the ability to sensibly manage rights in the interest of academic production and values, rather than in the interest of Springer's oinking at the trough on the backs of academics.

    Oh, and many university libraries (particularly in urban areas) do not admit just anyone off the street; you must generally hold an ID that grants access to the library (often student or faculty, plus a paid option for the general public, either monthly or annually, that can vary from somewhat affordable to somewhat expensive). Not to mention that for many people, yes, it is a significant professional hardship to lose a day or two of work to be trekking into foreign territory and sitting amongst the stacks—and that this hardship is made much more irritable by the fact that the very same articles are sitting there online, in 2013, yet can't be accessed at reasonable cost.

    As an academic, I have the same frustration. We bemoan the state of science in this society, yet under the existing publishing model we essentially insure that only a rarefied few scientists and the very wealthy elite have access to science at all. $30-$60 is not a small amount for the average person—and that is the cost to read _one_ article, usually very narrowly focused, and of unclear utility until they've already paid the money, that is borderline unreadable for the layperson (or for the magazine author hoping to make sense of science _for_ the layperson) anyway. Why, exactly, would we expect anyone to know any science at all beyond university walls, under this arrangement?

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    1. Re:Having worked for a Springer journal, by dstates · · Score: 2

      A "just price" might be acceptable, but the publishers have abused the market bundling thousands of journals together into packages for which they charge libraries millions of dollars a year and forbid the librarians from disclosing how much they paid. Charging $40+ per article when the reader cannot even determine in advance whether it will be a useful article and has no way to get their money back if it is not is also not a solution.

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    2. Re:Having worked for a Springer journal, by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      I know a number of freelance copyeditors who will do a good job on a scientific paper and charge a few tens of dollars. It's a pretty cutthroat market, and you can probably find cheaper ones, but these are ones that I've worked with and would recommend. $28k for 24 papers works out at over $1100 per paper - I can get entire books copyedited by very competent people for less than that. Actually, the same is true for layout. For a lot of journals, you just use an existing LaTeX template and don't do any more layout. The ones that do more advanced compositing are typically funded elsewhere (e.g. conference fees).

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  8. Libraries by TubeSteak · · Score: 2

    Nothing yet. I ended up emailing a professor of mine from school, and I'm waiting to hear back from her, while at the same time asking her, "Is there a more reasonable way for me to do this?"

    Some people told me to go to the local medical school library and download the articles from there. I don't know if it's feasible for me to go to a library of a school I don't go to! And at the moment, I don't really know any students who I could ask.

    That should have been the entire article right there.

    Almost all specialty libraries I've heard of offer visitor access or special (paid) access to professionals in affiliated fields.
    It sounds like this Doctor didn't put a lot of effort into trying to find a way around the pay wall.

    I just checked the websites of Medical School libraries in my State and neighboring States,
    they almost all have a way for people unaffiliated with the school to gain onsite access.
    /Though one requires an annual membership and charges extortionist prices for photocopying articles.

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  9. If you don't like the game, change the rules by onyxruby · · Score: 2

    If you don't like the fact that the current journals charge the rates that they do you have to take your research to a new journal that doesn't. When enough people do this the present journals will change their policies or be left out of the market.

    Right now your trying to be the tail that wagged the dog. Stop being the tail and start realizing that there are far more academics than journals and organize a new journal. With the Internet it is absurdly easy to communicate with like kind peers and set up a self publishing site for very little money.

    At some point you have to realize that the journals need the academics more than the academics need the journals. A small number of professional journals are holding up millions of academics. Stop being the tail, start being the dog.

    1. Re:If you don't like the game, change the rules by paiute · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you don't like the fact that the current journals charge the rates that they do you have to take your research to a new journal that doesn't.

      What is the incentive for me to do this if I am an academic who is trying to get tenure or move to a better position at another university or compete for grants? The major ammunition in the CV of anyone trying to do these things is publications in big name journals.

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  10. Paywalls ... strangulation of scientific progresse by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Whether or not taxpayer-funded research should be accissible to the taxpayers for FREE is a matter to be acertained, but the fact is that it is no longer possible for anyone, including the professional researchers, to know where to find the result of the various facet of related research on a given field.

    It is as if we are back to the pre-Internet days.

    Before Internet, it was a Herculean task to find out if there had been a research carried out on any particular subject, simply because there was no one central database.

    When Internet first arrived, the situation was greatly improved - although there were still no centralized database for all research results, at the very least we could search for it online.

    Now ?

    Not only the research papers are hidden behind paywalled, most of them don't even appear on search queries anymore.

    Paywall does not only representing GREED that is retarding the progress of the human society, it is actually STRANGLING the progress of scientific research.

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  11. Re:Ever hear of the university library? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Informative

    A good science/engineering university library subscribes to hundreds of technical journals and keeps them in stacks going back decades.

    Lots of universities simply can't afford all the journals they ought to have.

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  12. arXiv is not peer reviewed by tepples · · Score: 2

    should it not be as simple as a wiki?

    There does exist a site for uploading preprints called arXiv. The difference is that preprints aren't peer reviewed and thus aren't quite as citable in publications that strongly prefer "published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy".

    1. Re:arXiv is not peer reviewed by gerddie · · Score: 2

      There does exist a site for uploading preprints called arXiv. The difference is that preprints aren't peer reviewed and thus aren't quite as citable in publications that strongly prefer "published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy".

      Actually, in my experience this is not the problem, you can cite whatever you want. Considering this article, such reputation for fact-checking and accuracy does not really exist anyway (i.e. the higher the ranking of a journal, the higher the probability that articles have to be retracted). The real problem is, articles that do not appear in a journal count less or nothing on the authors curriculum, unless you are a genius like Grisha Perelman, who, AFAIK, published the proof of the Poincare conjecture only on arXiv.

  13. Re:She will have to find out more than this. by aussersterne · · Score: 2

    I actually don't know. I have the luxury of having institutional access to a full range of print and electronic subscriptions. But even if they do, think about what you're asking a busy professional to do.

    People are suggesting that she should just pony up $thousands annually, that she should dedicate days to travel and research, as apart from patients or family, when there's no necessary technical reason to do so, and now, with ILL, that she should stick to a research project about a case or two for the many weeks that it takes to make ILL work.

    Sure, there's ILL, and it may well work as it used to (though I doubt it for electronic resources, based on the ways that licenses right now are written). But we're asking her to stick to a project for $thousands and $weeks of constant attention. She's a professional. She is busy. And she ought to have access. The point is not to ask, "can it, plausibly, be done?" but rather "what is science for, and is this the way that it ought to work?"

    We made society, as human beings. We can make it better. I'd suggest that this is a case in which it can be made to function much, much better than it currently does. The goal behind having therapists of all stripes is to help people to overcome real problems, not to test the therapists to see whether or not they can navigate arcane social structures and processes. We should make their jobs as easy as possible. Hell, this applies to virtually every job title. Jobs exist for a reason—because there is demand for what they do, because we value it. Why not, then, make the jobs of professionals as plausible and as easy as possible, rather than risking their doing a much worse job simply so that a few corporations that produce little of value (the value in academic publishing is produced by the academics and the researchers, not by the publishers in the era of easy print-on-demand and easy online access) can earn a decent chunk of change.

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  14. There's another way... by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 2

    It's been my experience that access to non-US journals may not be so restricted. I've found relevant articles in UK journals for instance that aren't paywalled when the equivalent US journals were. Not all countries or scientific organizations are as greedy as they often seem to be in the U S. Unfortunately, you may have to find a translator or wing it with translation software if it's not an english-language source, but at least there are a few alternatives out there. And if you're a scientist in the US, you may be able to submit your papers to non-paywalled sources, possibly in addition to the paywalled ones, or host the papers on your own website, etc., making them more accessible. Paywalled sources are not the only game out there, you may just have to dig a little more.

  15. Re:Paywalls ... strangulation of scientific progre by pepty · · Score: 2

    Not only the research papers are hidden behind paywalled, most of them don't even appear on search queries anymore.

    Could you elaborate a bit more on that? CAS Scifinder and STN (subscription based services) will get me more granular results than Google Scholar, but I find plenty of paywalled results when I use Google Scholar or PubMed. What is being blocked?

  16. Re:Ever hear of the university library? by nbauman · · Score: 2, Informative

    A good science/engineering university library subscribes to hundreds of technical journals and keeps them in stacks going back decades.

    Oh, but who has time to go there, find a place to park and then run around the stacks...?

    Sometimes, you have to make sacrifices for your career instead of always whining about how things should be made better just for you. The journals charge money because they incur substantial expenses for providing an important service.

    I went through that bullshit of trying to get access to university libraries.

    First of all (at least in New York City), university libraries aren't open to the public. They charge their own students a $2,000 library fee so they don't let outsiders in for free.

    Second, even when I did pull strings to get special accommodations to use a library on a guest basis, it was basically a day's work to look things up in the stacks when everybody else is getting them in 5 minutes online (as I do now with access to some academic databases).

    Sometimes you have to find out what's going on in reality before you give sermons accusing people of "whining" when they're raising legitimate questions about what's being done with their tax money.

    Your misinformation about journals is addressed here by somebody else.

  17. Re:Libraries by nbauman · · Score: 4, Informative

    That should have been the entire article right there.

    Almost all specialty libraries I've heard of offer visitor access or special (paid) access to professionals in affiliated fields.
    It sounds like this Doctor didn't put a lot of effort into trying to find a way around the pay wall.

    I just checked the websites of Medical School libraries in my State and neighboring States,
    they almost all have a way for people unaffiliated with the school to gain onsite access. /Though one requires an annual membership and charges extortionist prices for photocopying articles.

    I've been through that in New York City. Most of the medical school libraries in Manhattan don't allow public access. One of them offered to let me use their library for about $2,000 a year. It's a real problem.

    If you actually tried to do it, rather than just looking at their web site, I think you'd find it was difficult to impossible. Unless you happened to find a small friendly library that had everything you needed.

  18. Academic co-dependency by dstates · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The proprietary publishers have established an elaborate co-dependency relationship with academics. Academics depend on journal editorships and citations for promotion. Editors get many perks and prestige as a result of being an editor, but the selection of who becomes the editor is up to the publisher. Reviewers get pre-publication access to results. Yes, the reviewers are supposed to hold the information in confidence, but does pre-publication access help them in thinking about which directions to take in their own work? Absolutely. An extensive web of co-dependence has evolved between the proprietary publishers and the academic community.

    Academics generally do not receive royalties from journal articles, but they do from book publications. Who publishes those books? The same publishers that publish the proprietary journals. Who selects which authors will be invited to publish books? The publishers.

    Elite institutions and large university systems negotiate discounted and preferred subscription agreements giving their researchers free access to a wide range of journals, which in turn makes it more attractive for academic "stars" to go to those institutions. The faculty at those schools benefit from these favorable access agreements. Are we surprised that University of California faculty voted against open access?

    It is also not just speech and language research. The majority of work in fields like cancer research is also published in paywalled journals. Cancer patients may not be able to wait a year before articles appear in open access archives.

    The vast majority of academic work is supported by public funding, and charitable foundations support most of what is not government supported. High time to require open access. The academics are not going to do it themselves.

    --
    Statesman
  19. Re:Paywalls ... strangulation of scientific progre by iserlohn · · Score: 2

    Socializing costs, privatizing profits. That's how money is made in science (and banking and almost everything else) these days.

  20. Re:Could US Attorney Carmen Ortiz Help Her? by mysidia · · Score: 3, Informative

    Under MIT's Open Campus Policy, the library he was at, and all other places on campus are open to the public.

    So the argument of trespass is suspect at best.

  21. E-Mail The Authors by umafuckit · · Score: 2

    I work in academia so I have access to most of the journals I need but not all. When I hit a paywall, I either Google for the PDF (a lot of authors chuck their papers on the web somewhere even if it's "illegal") or I e-mail the authors. Many papers are available free with a year delay. I've never, ever, had to pay at the wall to get a paper I needed. I know the scientific article situation is bad in many ways, but you don't have to wait multiple years for access: use your brain and get it some other way.