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blogologue writes "I have played the guitar for some years now, and these days I think it's good therapy to be creative with music, learning the piano and singing as well. So far I've been using Audacity as the tool to compose improvisations and demos. I haven't done much audio work before, but it is already becoming too limited for my needs. Being a Linux-fanboy since the mid-nineties, I'm now looking for a good audio processing/editing/enhancing setup that can run on different platforms, the most important being Linux. Are there any suggestions for Open Source or proprietary audio editing software that run on Linux?"

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  1. Ardour by orcundead · · Score: 4, Informative

    Great mutlitracking software, simple enough and straightforward if you know your way around other DAW environments like Pro-Tools or Cubase, keyboard shortcuts can be easily customized.

    1. Re:Ardour by ustolemyname · · Score: 0

      Seconded.

    2. Re:Ardour by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Does it "run on different platforms"?

      ie. Can he send files to his PC-owning friends?

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    3. Re:Ardour by mugurel · · Score: 1

      yes it runs on macos too. the session files are xml.

    4. Re:Ardour by marcello_dl · · Score: 2

      Depending on your workflow, sharing audio sessions with other people can be as simple as exporting relevant tracks making sure they are easily resynced together (for example exporting the whole audio interval for each track), or as difficult as "You gotta have same audio program and plugins and same versions". If your sharing problem involves sw programs or versions, your problem is worse than sharing, it's archiving.

      There is no guarantee that today's most used audio will be viable tomorrow, so I suggest to keep plain audio and midi of your stuff always and pick the sw that you prefer.

      There are multimedia distros with live DVD: avlinux, dream studio, artistx, ubuntu studio...

      Check out their offerings, it's not like you can't download a fully functional copy. Audacity is great for simple retouches, you want a DAW or a sequencer with audio editing functions for anything more complex.

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    5. Re:Ardour by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      Ardour might be fine piece of software, but sadly it is also crippleware unless you are prepared to cough up your shekels.

    6. Re:Ardour by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2

      Correction: crippleware if you don't build it from source.

      My bad. Sorry. Actually, just to be clear, the OP's submission (pre-editing) does, to be fair, mention "proprietary or open-source"...

    7. Re:Ardour by blogologue · · Score: 1

      Yeah, Ardour looks like a viable alternative. I'm getting to old to play around with a lot of different stuff, so I hope what I learn on one system is also possible on the next, even though the approach may be different. I'm mostly running Windows now as I enjoy playing Battlefield, so maybe running a VirtualBox instance with Linux and Ardour is a viable option, not sure if there will be lagging in recording audio and so on though.

    8. Re:Ardour by BitZtream · · Score: 3

      Best cross platform .... Linux only ...

      What exactly are we describing as cross platform and what exact shitty software won't work on one Linux box versus the next?

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    9. Re:Ardour by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Great mutlitracking software, simple enough and straightforward if you know your way around other DAW environments like Pro-Tools or Cubase, keyboard shortcuts can be easily customized.

      I'm sorry, but Ardour is not "great". I believe in Linux and OSS, but if you need to make a living in music or sound, you are not going to be using Ardour. The music production community is always open to new technologies, and if Ardour were anything like a professional-quality application, it would be used.

      There are many great ways to use Linux in a production environment. You can have a Linux box as your sample server, use it to off-load effects and plugins and for rendering. But we still have a ways to go before Linux can be used for DAW production. You can get it done, but it's not nearly optimal.

      At least once a year, a take a run at the latest incarnation of Ardour. If you're a database programmer and want to play like Jonathan Coulton in your spare time, then fine. You can make Ardour work the same way you can use a folding camping shovel to dig a foundation. But if you want to dig a lot of foundations, you're going to want to invest in a back-hoe. And there is no Linux back-hoe for music.

      NOTE: The fine people at Cockos, who make Reaper and their active community (which is the finest DAW software at the moment, in my opinion) support the use of their software in Linux using Wine. http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=26690

      They also encourage the use of Linux in production and post-production via gigabit connections (for offloading processes and rendering and plugins and sample streaming, as I described above). If you are a dedicated Linux zealot, I would suggest starting with Reaper. It's very inexpensive compared to ProTools and it's much more robust and even refined.

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    10. Re:Ardour by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Also, Cockos offers an unlimited, unborked evaluation copy of Reaper. But the license is really cheap, so I highly recommend supporting them.

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    11. Re:Ardour by gmueckl · · Score: 1

      Would you like to explain in what way Ardour is lacking? I admit that I have not experience in this matter, but I'm curious. I always notice how OSS graphics tools lack behind commercial offerings and I'm trying to get a better understanding of how this happens. Now I wonder if something similar is going on with audio software.

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    12. Re:Ardour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Maybe he means cross platform OR linux only?

    13. Re:Ardour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sorry, but Ardour is not "great". I believe in Linux and OSS, but if you need to make a living in music or sound, you are not going to be using Ardour. The music production community is always open to new technologies, and if Ardour were anything like a professional-quality application, it would be used.

      This..I wish I had mod points..but this is so damn'd true.
      I've been using Linux as my primary desktop OS since 1993, and have it as my main server OS, but my DAW system is still a Windows box for a reason (well, many reasons). If Ardour 'worked' as well as Cubase, or Cackwalk(sic), or ProTools then I'd have switched years ago.
      Re your comments regarding Reaper, I'm in the process of investigating it (but inertia being what it is..) It's good to know that Cockos support running it under Wine, that alone means I might pull the finger out and have a good look at it.

    14. Re:Ardour by u38cg · · Score: 2, Informative

      Ardour is not lacking, rather the issue is the rest of the stack is more trouble than it's worth. For a serious studio a Protools licence is not a big deal. And very few people build from scratch on a GNU platform - mostly because most people are starting out as teenagers with no interest or exposure to FOSS.

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    15. Re:Ardour by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think what he means is that it can't be Windows-only or Apple-only, but Linux-only is fine. I'm sure he doesn't mean "will work on any distro" by "cross-platform", he just wants it to work on his box.

    16. Re:Ardour by IANAAC · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think what he means is that it can't be Windows-only or Apple-only, but Linux-only is fine. I'm sure he doesn't mean "will work on any distro" by "cross-platform", he just wants it to work on his box.

      Both the headline and the summary are just laziness.

      Had the submitter taken 5 minutes and done a search, he would have found plenty of software available - and cross-platform at that - to do what he wants.

      Or maybe it was just an excuse to link to his soundcloud page?

    17. Re:Ardour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would you like to explain in what way Ardour is lacking?

      It's not so much that it's lacking (except latency free busses which I think are a work in progress), so much as it's buggy. I imagine there'd be fewer bugs if it didn't have so many new features in 3.x.

      When I can find time to record, I need something that doesn't segfault during the session. For now I've switched to the new Logic on OSX but would actually prefer to be using Ardour as it's clearly the more professionally minded tool.

    18. Re:Ardour by Kremmy · · Score: 1

      Because "Linux-only" implies cross-platform. Have you SEEN the number of platforms that Linux supports?

    19. Re:Ardour by harrkev · · Score: 2

      I vote for Reaper too. Great program at a very reasonable price, no stupid DRM, and updates included.

      Do you have a laptop AND a desktop? Install the software on both, no problem. No USB key needed.

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    20. Re:Ardour by ffflala · · Score: 2

      ...maybe running a VirtualBox instance with Linux and Ardour is a viable option, not sure if there will be lagging in recording audio and so on though.

      Yes, there will. In order to effectively multitrack, latency needs to be minimized, to the order of magnitude of a few microseconds. A real time kernel --direct input access to the iron-- is used to minimize latency. A virtual OS, I believe by definition, will never have real time kernel access. As a result the latency will suffer. I'd be surprised if you can get less than 10 ms with a virtual OS, and I think that anything over 6 is going to be useless.

      OTOH, if you're working with music in which temporal precision is not a primary necessary --for example atmospheric or ambient sounds-- latency won't present (much of) an obstacle. Nor will it if you're working with single tracks.

    21. Re:Ardour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I work as an audio engineer, and am familiar with Protools, Cubase etc.

      I don't find Ardour lacking in usability, or professional features. I mean, it works in a very similar way to other DAWs, so what do you find to be missing?

    22. Re:Ardour by manicb · · Score: 1

      Another vote for REAPER here. Runs very well in WINE as they actually test it. KXStudio is a nice distro that provides useful tools for a low-latency setup and will even install REAPER for you.

    23. Re:Ardour by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      so what do you find to be missing?

      An operating system that can make use of professional equipment, for one.

      You can't evaluate Ardour isolated from its environment.

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    24. Re:Ardour by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      The thing you'll like best about Reaper is how stable it is no matter what kind of plugin you throw at it. Plugins that would make Cubase or ProTools or Sonar fall apart just work beautifully in Reaper. I haven't yet found a plugin, VST, VSTi or DX, that Reaper can't handle.

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    25. Re:Ardour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Had the submitter taken 5 minutes and done a search, he would have found plenty of software available - and cross-platform at that - to do what he wants.

      Yes, doing a quick search with Google is a fantastic way of finding an intense discussion of the pros and cons of various software packages, and he could get involved in it! Unless he wants a recent discussion...

    26. Re:Ardour by umdesch4 · · Score: 1

      Damn, I wish I had mod points, and that you could be modded higher than 5. I don't get the people heaping piles of praise on Ardour further down in this thread. I don't think any of those people have spent any time working in a studio, or even any serious multitracking at home. To the story submitter, if you don't have a lot of time to invest in learning software, you might want to look elsewhere first before investing time in Ardour...at least for now. It is a somewhat promising start, but it has a long way to go still.

    27. Re:Ardour by BabaG1 · · Score: 1

      there is a program called aatranslator, windows only, unfortunately, though, it does run under wine, that will convert an ardour session to any of a large number of other session formats. it's proprietary, though, very reasonably priced and does a good job in the conversion process. BabaG

    28. Re:Ardour by UnderCoverPenguin · · Score: 1

      Ardour is not lacking, rather the issue is the rest of the stack is more trouble than it's worth. For a serious studio a Protools licence is not a big deal. And very few people build from scratch on a GNU platform - mostly because most people are starting out as teenagers with no interest or exposure to FOSS.

      Harrison Consoles's Mixbus is another commercial product that is supported on Linux. Couriously, AVLinux has a demo version included despite Harrison's claim to not provide demo versions. I guess their website is out of date. I have not tried it because I don't want to risk liking it (I cannot justify paying even Harrison's reasonable price - I've already spent too much on hardware).

      http://www.harrisonconsoles.com/mixbus/website/purchase.html

      http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html

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    29. Re:Ardour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In order to effectively multitrack, latency needs to be minimized

      There is no latency at all with hardware monitoring and all DAWs feature latency compensation for recordings. The only latency I ever have to deal with is drivers that don't report bus latency (eg: firewire) to the host application.

    30. Re:Ardour by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Since he plays guitar and sings he also needs the DAW to accept drivers for audio digital interface devices like MOTU or even Line 6. Without those, or without a simple way to get the software to work with them, you can't do anything reasonable with guitars or microphones. Just plugging into the computer's input gives shite sound quality which is why you need an interface.

      I tried a couple years ago and gave up on Linux for recording. Someone suggested 'JACK' and Ardour but bloody hell, JACK was so convoluted and a pain to understand and never seemed to work or never worked simply, that I just said screw it and use Windows 7 with Cubase. My time is worth something too, and considering I already owned the Windows box, another 500 bucks for Cubase was a real deal compared to endless hours getting it to work on Linux (anything is easy if you know how, and I didn't know how on Linux, nor do I think it is worth the hours and hours of time to learn when I can just use something else that simply works). I want to play music when I record, not fuck around configuring the OS and drivers. On Windows I just installed the ASIO driver for my digital interface and selected it in Cubase and I was done. A couple minutes tops.

      Until Linux gets its head out of its ass in terms of driver support (even if they are proprietary) I would stay well and gone away from it for recording. Unless you like spending more time configuring the workstation than actually recording stuff.

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    31. Re:Ardour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >An operating system that can make use of professional equipment, for one.

      The RME cards are professional, and work with Linux. They give you digital I/O, so you have a wide range of converters to choose from. If you use Ardour on OSX, there is an even wider choice.

      On Linux, Ardour has wider of audio hardware support than ProTools on any platform.

      >You can't evaluate Ardour isolated from its environment.

      What I'm mainly disputing is that it is hard to use.

    32. Re:Ardour by aitikin · · Score: 1

      Harrison is based off of Ardour as I recall.

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    33. Re:Ardour by Pseudonym · · Score: 2

      Had the submitter taken 5 minutes and done a search, he would have found plenty of software available [...]

      It's a good thing that all open source audio software systems are robust and high-quality, and nobody has ever had a problem with audio under Linux.

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    34. Re:Ardour by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      Don't bother modding this unless you actually record music using a Digital Audio Workstation. You aren't qualified.

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    35. Re:Ardour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless he wants a recent discussion...

      You should try adding "2013" to your search terms then.

    36. Re:Ardour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken by someone who's never tried to capture more than 100 tracks with Audacity, as might happen if you're building .ogg vorbis text-to-speech collections for a GPS for example. Oh, you were being sarcastic. :)

    37. Re:Ardour by denmarkw00t · · Score: 1

      I mean, /. kind of knows it's Linux-y stuff, but somewhere like KVR probably would have been better for asking this kind of thing - I'm surprised no one's told him to just code his own software if he can't find what he needs on Google, or Wikipedia's list of audio editing software (you can find it via Google).

    38. Re:Ardour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posting as AC so I can moderate.

      I've been a sound engineer for twenty years. Most of my work is recording/mixing studio sessions and postpro for documentaries/short films. I use Linux, with Harrison Mixbus and Ardour for mulit-channel. I keep OSX around for converting some file formats and I run Ardour/Mixbus/Jack there too. I'm qualified to moderate you.

      Using Jack with linux is way easier than handling the driver nightmare of OSX - and easier than Windows as well. You buy a *quality* firewire interface, keep away from the sort of rubbish you shouldn't be using anyway, and you don't have to install or download anything. It's already supported. It's not difficult, or even very expensive.

      When I want to use my Line6 X3 Pro I use the digital output. You shouldn't be using something domestic like that as an audio interface anyway - what the hell will your clients think if they see that thing hooked up to your microphones?

    39. Re:Ardour by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Does ProTools run on Linux? Can they send files to their Linux running friends? Where does he state as one if his requirements that he can share the project files with his "PC-owning friends"? Also, the actual audio files are standard formats so he can share tracks and the mixed tracks that result just fine.

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    40. Re:Ardour by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      Great mutlitracking software, simple enough and straightforward if you know your way around other DAW environments like Pro-Tools or Cubase, keyboard shortcuts can be easily customized.

      I'm sorry, but Ardour is not "great". I believe in Linux and OSS, but if you need to make a living in music or sound, you are not going to be using Ardour. The music production community is always open to new technologies, and if Ardour were anything like a professional-quality application, it would be used.

      I think that you raise a valid point about the 'commercial' user and Ardour, however I think the artistic decisions override this. I used to be a Logic user and I find that Pro-tools produced music is too sterile, formulaic and doesn't excite me sonically. I use Ardour to record several projects for a variety of acoustic control decisions. Admittedly we only produce our own music.

      But we still have a ways to go before Linux can be used for DAW production. You can get it done, but it's not nearly optimal.

      At least once a year, a take a run at the latest incarnation of Ardour. If you're a database programmer and want to play like Jonathan Coulton in your spare time, then fine. You can make Ardour work the same way you can use a folding camping shovel to dig a foundation. But if you want to dig a lot of foundations, you're going to want to invest in a back-hoe. And there is no Linux back-hoe for music.

      It's not really 'all-about-Ardour' but the JACK Audio Connection Kit that enables all the audio applications to interact and is a very powerful paradigm. I only looked at Ardour because a Pro-tools set-up was way outside of our budget and, yes, it was very difficult, but like any tool, you get used to it's warts and we have been using it since 2003. It is an artistic decision that has paid back dividends in terms of what we were trying to parallel in our live performances. Live recording and production of the live stems with Ardour seems to be it's strong point to me. We've found that Ardour is very stable when we record, but was more difficult to get it stable for production. I like the back hoe analogy, however I think Ardour/Jack is more like an Open cut mining digger, powerful but difficult to control without specialist knowledge. I think the onus for making the system perform is on the producer with Ardour and if you don't know how to do that then it's best to stick with ProTools or Logic.

      Maybe it's mundane but we were using 16 inputs to record with Ardour cost-effectively in 2004, so much in the same way the old Analogue producers knew their kit I've also found that Ardour really pushes our knowledge of the digital process for recording. Well beyond the argument of 'compression crushed music' with Ardour our recordings handle transients and many other sonic aspects of the production process with a level of control that seems more integrated than commercial tools can offer. I can't be sure though as I've really invested a lot of time into Ardour/Jack.

      So originally what was a budget based decision revealed capability in Ardour/Jack that attracted us artistically. Even so $25-70K has been spent on the Linux based set-up which we recently broke into two machines record/production and as muso's we are as comfortable talking to you about the relationship between filesystem I/O performance and high performance Linux kernels in our live recording rigs as we are talking about the sonic effect of the metals used in the transformers in our guitar amps, the resonance tuning used in the drum kits, headroom in the desk pre-amps, why we use particular mikes and so on.

      Ardour inspired us to be educated about our production process from the instrument all the way to the final mastering stage.

      It's very inexpensive compared to ProTools and it's much more robust and even refined.

      Thanks, I'll check it out. Out of curiosity what sort of music do you produce?

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    41. Re:Ardour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The evaluation copy is limited to 30 days. You must legally pay for a licence after that, or stop using it according to the terms and conditions. That the software will continue to work if you wish to use it illegally is beside the point.

    42. Re:Ardour by lowen · · Score: 1

      [I know I'm a day late....]
      Harrison Mixbus. Commercial Ardour-derivative with fantastic sound, put out by Harrison Consoles, manufacturer of seriously high-end hardware. See http://www.harrisonconsoles.com/mixbus/website/ for its website. Runs natively on Windows, Max OS X, and Linux, and pretty much equally well on all three (runs best, IMO, on Linux, but I use it most on OS X due to some plugins I like).

    43. Re:Ardour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh heh. PENIS. You seem like a real cocker now.
       
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    44. Re:Ardour by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Look closely at the "terms and conditions". You missed something pretty obvious.

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    45. Re:Ardour by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I used to be a Logic user and I find that Pro-tools produced music is too sterile, formulaic and doesn't excite me sonically. I use Ardour to record several projects for a variety of acoustic control decisions.

      All DAWs can be used as a simple tape deck. Just because Pro Tools gives you certain tools and possibilities doesn't mean you have to use them. The notion that music recorded and mixed in Pro Tools has to have a certain "sound" shows that you still have a bit to learn about the"production process from the instrument all the way to the final mastering stage".

      I'd rather have a program like Reaper, which gives me options to go as simple or as complex as I want, than a program like Ardour, that gets in my way and makes things more difficult because the designers didn't have a clear vision of workflow in audio.

      If I had all the time in the world and was a Linux zealot, I'd happily use Ardour (as long as I'd never seen what a professional DAW can do). As I said, if all I was doing was being a basement hobbyist Jonathan Coulton, then Ardour would be totally fine. As long as you didn't expect to use professional audio interfaces. Try to use Ardour with an Apollo interface

      If your goal is to make music using only OSS software (for some reason), then Ardour is what you want. But Reaper works perfectly well in Wine and is a real DAW. If you want to step up to making music more than a hobby, you'll want to find something better.

      Seriously, friend, I've been where you are. Keep an open mind about this. However, if you are married to the idea of Ardour, I'd suggest looking at a product called the Harrison Mixbus. It's based on Ardour if I remember correctly and it's far more refined. When I used Ardour, I found it to make life and the sound a lot better.

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    46. Re:Ardour by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      You're the first audio pro I've had any interaction with who uses Linux. Most use Apple and many use Windows. I used to play in clubs with bands regularly for years and interacted with a lot of people in the business. I'm glad it works for you. I found JACK to not be worth jack. It didn't work for the interface I tried it with which was a Line 6 UX8 using USB 2. It actually works well with non-Linux systems. And has good enough sound for what I need right now. And it didn't work worth a shit with JACK. And now that USB 3 is out, firewire is getting rarer. Yes next interface I will get MOTU. But I still expect it to use USB since I'm not sure if newer workstations will have firewire. Even Macs are switching to thunderbolt and ditching firewire. And of course they still support USB. I'll continue to use Windows until I'm forced to chose between Mac and Windows 8.

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  2. use google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ardour

    or read this
    http://news.softpedia.com/news/Top-10-Linux-Distributions-for-Audio-Production-64552.shtml

    use google next time

  3. Ardour by astro · · Score: 4, Informative

    For quite some years now, Ardour has been the apparent frontrunner in the area you are asking about.

  4. Wat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Cross-Platform"

    "Linux-Only"

    Pick one.

    1. Re:Wat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah it's a dumb headline. Who edits this stuff?

      I think he just means "available on linux."

    2. Re: Wat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Secondo guess? Maybe he means "cross-distribution" or cross hardware platform?

    3. Re:Wat by Joce640k · · Score: 0

      Yeah it's a dumb headline. Who edits this stuff?

      Thankfully not you.

      I read it as "I want to use Linux but I work with other people who use PCs (or Macs)..."

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    4. Re:Wat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I read it as "I want to use Linux but I work with other people who use PCs (or Macs)..."

      And just how hard would it have been to actually SAY something like in the title or summary? Face it, the title IS stupid.

    5. Re:Wat by Zumbs · · Score: 1

      Huh? How do you understand "Best Cross-Platform (Linux-Only) Audio Software?" as "Best Cross-Platform Linux-supporting Audio Software?" And why would you prefer the former rather than the latter?

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    6. Re:Wat by blogologue · · Score: 3, Informative

      It was a different post and got edited a bit. :) I prefer cross-platform, but if it's only available for Linux, that's OK too.

    7. Re:Wat by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      The secret of getting good answers is to ask good questions.

      It wasn't at all clear if "linux-only" was OK or not, and that makes a HUGE difference to the answers.

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    8. Re:Wat by BrokenHalo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I had been about to mention that submissions usually get put through the mangle by some so-called editors(*) before making an appearance in public. You are probably fortunate that it is comprehensible at all.

      *term used loosely; my original (edited) choice was less polite, but possibly more informative.

    9. Re:Wat by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Where does ti say "Linux-only" in the question?

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    10. Re:Wat by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Slashdot has "editors"? Where do they recruit them, the local zoo?

      I've seen some awfully worded/phrased submissions here...you'd think an "editor" for a popular site would know a modicum of English.

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    11. Re:Wat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where does ti say "Linux-only" in the question?

      So titles are worthless and no one should pay attention to them?

    12. Re:Wat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the actual question (the title). The summary area is simply extra detail.

    13. Re:Wat by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      Where do they recruit them, the local zoo?

      Well, part of my edited post did make reference to chimpanzees and Shakespeare. :)

      you'd think an "editor" for a popular site would know a modicum of English.

      Fix: You'd hope so. But apparently in vain. All too often (if we take the trouble to look, or if we notice that our own submissions are bowdlerised) we see perfectly cogent posts mangled to the extent that any relevant content is entirely non-existent. Maybe there's a new species of crypto-editor that needs to be added to the corpus of cryptozoological studies...

    14. Re:Wat by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      In a properly written post, the body text should contain all the beef and the title should be just a quick reference. There should never be a situation where the title contains some information which cannot be inferred also from the actual text.

    15. Re:Wat by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      The difference between a slashdot editor and Guardian editor is that the Guardian editors studied English, while the slashdot editors studied technology. It's rare to find an engineer that can write well, just as it's rare to find an English major that's good at math. English majors and journalism majors are terrible when writing or editing anything about tech or science. They get the grammar and spelling and punctuation right but usually still screw it up worse than Cowboy Neal's pet monkey.

      BTW, if you're a /. subscriber and see an error (bad link, grammar error, dupe) in a red front page story, email the editor who posts it and he'll fix the errors before it goes live. If you see an error in a submission in the firehose, leave a comment there.

    16. Re:Wat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The title information isn't just missing from the body text, it conflicts with it.

    17. Re:Wat by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      In this case that is true, too.

    18. Re:Wat by gnapster · · Score: 1

      It's rare to find an engineer that can write well[...]

      For all the grousing that goes on here in regard to grammar in slashdot entries, one might think such engineers would not be so rare, after all.

    19. Re:Wat by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1

      ...just as it's rare to find an English major that's good at math.

      Curiously, though, by far the majority of my math professors have impressed me as being exceptionally well-read, erudite and articulate. I can honestly say they were an inspiration to me, to the extent that I sometimes felt that it would have been worthwhile to study math more than as a discipline incidental to my other studies.

      However, honesty compelled me to admit that although I can comfortably handle a differential equation, I would never be more than a plodder in the context of post-graduate math, which is where you only begin to scratch the surface of new ground.

    20. Re:Wat by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      There are all kinds here, cops (any time you see a cop referred as an "LEO" you know it's a cop because that's Low Earth Orbit to us), firefighters, pilots, and it seems that lately there are an awful lot of greengrocers. Hell Will Wheaton has a slashdot account and posts sometimes, he's an actor.

  5. Cross Platform Host Bitwig by six025 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Forget using an audio editor for song composition, what you need is a proper audio host (commonly called a DAW).

    The options for Linux have been a bit lacking but that is about to change with the impending release of Bitwig. Developed for Mac / Win / Linux, it functions similar to Ableton Live, which is incredibly popular for a good reason - it's unique take on music arrangement means it is great for jamming, live performance and experimenting with ideas. Check it out here:

    https://bitwig.com/en/bitwig-studio

    Peace,
    Andy.

    1. Re:Cross Platform Host Bitwig by sg_oneill · · Score: 1

      Looks cool, but without a download it might as well be vaporware!

      --
      Excuse the Unicode crap in my posts. That's an apostrophe, and slashdot is busted.
    2. Re:Cross Platform Host Bitwig by polyp2000 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yup - Im holding out for this one too. For the moment Im very much into Renoise - its pretty amazing. I use it exclusively on Linux and get great results... take a look : https://soundcloud.com/polyp

      --
      Electronic Music Made Using Linux http://soundcloud.com/polyp
    3. Re:Cross Platform Host Bitwig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Forget using an audio editor for song composition, what you need is a proper audio host (commonly called a DAW).

      The options for Linux have been a bit lacking but that is about to change with the impending release of Bitwig. Developed for Mac / Win / Linux, it functions similar to Ableton Live, which is incredibly popular for a good reason - it's unique take on music arrangement means it is great for jamming, live performance and experimenting with ideas. Check it out here:

      https://bitwig.com/en/bitwig-studio

      Peace,
      Andy.

      Will there be a command-line version und can I pipe it to /dev/snd ?

    4. Re:Cross Platform Host Bitwig by six025 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Will there be a command-line version und can I pipe it to /dev/snd ?

      I'm guessing the answer would be no ;-)

      Sox (free, open source) is what you want for that type of processing.

      http://sox.sourceforge.net/

      Peace,
      Andy.

    5. Re:Cross Platform Host Bitwig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it functions similar to Ableton Live
       
      In the same fashion that GIMP functions similar to Photoshop.

    6. Re:Cross Platform Host Bitwig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /.ed. Naturally.

    7. Re:Cross Platform Host Bitwig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is good

    8. Re:Cross Platform Host Bitwig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For open source command line multitrack audio processing theres ecasound http://eca.cx/ecasound/

    9. Re:Cross Platform Host Bitwig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bitwig has been "coming soon" for pretty much all of 2013.

  6. Re:Cross Platform Host - PyDAW by six025 · · Score: 4, Informative

    There is another option for Linux which is open source - PyDAW. Check out the project here:

    http://sourceforge.net/projects/libmodsynth/

    Although I have no experience with PyDAW, it has been in development for some time and should be very stable.

    Peace,
    Andy.

  7. Renoise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    When it comes to proprietary audio software for Linux my favourite is Renoise: http://renoise.com/

    1. Re:Renoise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1 for Renoise

      I've used it since v1.2x and it's avail on Linux/Mac/Windows. It's a tracker on steriods and is very capable if you learn its unique workflow. For recording audio tracks like a traditional DAW I don't think it's as good but that's an area I don't delve too deep into. You can delve in and use nearly all of Renoise's feature set for free and find out if it meets your needs. With the more limited options on linux I can't see a reason not to download it and tinker for a bit.

    2. Re:Renoise by manicb · · Score: 1

      Freaking love Renoise, but trackers aren't for everyone. I use it in combination with a DAW (Logic when I was on Mac, now REAPER running in WINE like a champ on linux) for beat generation and sample mangling.

    3. Re:Renoise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm compelled to give a shout-out to Renoise as well -- it's my no. 1 favorite application of all time, and one of the few non-free apps I still use.

      As mentioned, trackers aren't for everyone, but I was never a tracker person till I learned to use Renoise (which takes a little practice). Once you get the hang of it, the workflow in it is crazy smooth. It's well-suited to beat-oriented music but can be manipulated into doing all sorts of things. Actually, I find it really handy as a stand-alone sample editor too.

      I also recommend REAPER for recording, which runs well quite via WINE (not native Linux like Renoise). Both have reasonable pricing models in my opinion.

  8. Re:Creative and restricting yourself? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why is the very first thing that you ask for a severe restriction in your options? Go to an Apple store and have a look at Garageband.

    Why is the very first advice that you give is a severe restriction of his options? Go to a google.com and have a look at better software/OS.

    that said. My experience with linux daws are a bit limited. Ardour would be the first one for me to try if i moved my audio editting to linux.

  9. Re:Creative and restricting yourself? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, that was certainly an ironic answer.

  10. There is a software called Tracktion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are porting it to Linux, http://www.tracktion.com/,
    it is low cost.

    1. Re:There is a software called Tracktion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seconding Tracktion. I've been using it on Windows for years. Little-known, but very powerful and very easy to use.

  11. Best Big (Small) Car? by seyyah · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm looking for contradictory things.

    1. Re:Best Big (Small) Car? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A great small, big car is the early era VW beetle. Most inner volume for small cars.

      Maybe I read that wrong and you want a big car that is small. I'm pretty sure Gravedigger qualifies.

  12. Qtractor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Qtractor:

    Qtractor is an Audio/MIDI multi-track sequencer application written in C++ with the Qt4 framework. Target platform is Linux, where the Jack Audio Connection Kit (JACK) for audio, and the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) for MIDI, are the main infrastructures to evolve as a fairly-featured Linux desktop audio workstation GUI, specially dedicated to the personal home-studio.

    Qtractor is free, open-source software, distributed under the terms of the GNU General Public License (GPL) version 2 or later.

    http://qtractor.sourceforge.net/qtractor-index.html

    1. Re:Qtractor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up. That looks like something worth trying.

    2. Re:Qtractor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod qtractor up - it's better than ardour.

  13. Re:Flamebait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Posted by someone named "iliketrash" and with a heading of "Flamebait", at least you are living up to your advertising.

  14. If you want to get serious about audio... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Don't make ridiculous OS constraints. Linux has it's place and this is not it.

    1. Re:If you want to get serious about audio... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 0

      Compared to all the choices and expenses required for decent audio production, the OS choice is a non-issue.

      Since when is free as in Freedom a non-issue?

      --
      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    2. Re:If you want to get serious about audio... by Katatsumuri · · Score: 3, Informative

      I agree there is benefit in open solutions especially in open/standard file format support, but I don't think an OS choice makes sense as a #1 priority, which was GP's point.

      For a nice quick overview of top 15 candidates for a good modern DAW see http://www.musicradar.com/tuition/tech/the-15-best-daw-software-apps-in-the-world-today-238905/1

      Choosing Linux as OS does limit your options here severely.

    3. Re:If you want to get serious about audio... by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      How about freedom to keep your job as you get the work done as quick as your win32 colleagues with the same quality?

      I used to be an OSS junky and fanboy in my day. After poor results and wasting time always getting something to work it appeared I was using inferior platform and lacked competence. XP just worked. Office just worked. No spending a weekend every ubuntu release. Is mysql really a supperior product compared to sql server? No.

      Not everyone is a software engineer who tinkers with source code. Employers demand too much of our time and care about results only than playing with free software. Either the author of the post completes the job for the cheapest price in the time given or I will find someone else who will

    4. Re:If you want to get serious about audio... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      XP just worked. No spending a weekend every ubuntu release.

      So stick with Ubuntu LTS and voila no problem. The fact is ubuntu is quicker and easier to set up than doing a XP install from retail disks and if you stick with LTS ubuntu releases you don't update nearly as often.

      Office just worked.

      If you don't mind dealing with licensing issues and changing of the user interface every few years sure. For sane people theres libreoffice.

      Is mysql really a supperior product compared to sql server? No.

      MySQL isn't superior to anything, MS SQL server is a close second. Try a real sql server that doesn't do stupid things with blobs or open you up to licensing (old issues but those who forget history are doomed to repeat it) If you want a low maintainance scalable rdbms try Firebird out.

    5. Re:If you want to get serious about audio... by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Still I loved the free tools and hackability back in the day and hated MS with a passion. I then grew up which is my point.

      MS tools have improved tremendously while I grow frustrated with Linux never maturing into a solid product. Rather it is a collection of many things glued together as a distro. I lean towards FreeBSD for this reason but that is not perfect either.

      Thank God for virtualization. On my host I use Windows now. I have things to do, reports to complete, and games to play. Linux is still very active in the form of TurnKey Linux appliances in VMWare 10 Workstation on my computer. Point is right tool for the job. I no longer will gravitate towards free products if I can't get the job done and get paid in time. I have responsibilities.

  15. Re:Flamebait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So, how again is your post helpful to this discussion? It's more like a random rant that sounds(reads) like a fart. You could have posted your favorite tool here, mentioning it only runs windows/mac but that you think the functionality is worth it.

    However, you did not provide any other information than that you think 'linux is for retards'. Calling fine software (audacity) that millions of users use 'crap', just because it does not suit each and every situation, not really aids your case either. Also you did not mention why exactly this other platform would be better and what issues it would fix.

    So please leave a reply, say what software _you_ would like to use, and argue why this software is better - and let us readers decide or rethink this choice of platform if it has to be so to support this piece of software.

  16. LMMS, aka Linux MultiMedia Studio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ... good community around it too: http://lmms.sourceforge.net/lsp/index.php

    1. Re:LMMS, aka Linux MultiMedia Studio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LMMS is sadly lacking. Buggy, missing key features. I gave it a go as my main audio platform and had to give it up after a week of crashes, data loss and trying to find features that didn't exist. It is a good effort, but it's unfinished.

  17. Re:audacity is cross platform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    The submitter already uses Audacity, you fuckwit.

  18. please correct me if you can by rewindustry · · Score: 1

    in my experience ALL pc audio hardware has been (i believe deliberately) crippled, since the late nineties. when i began writing recording software for myself, under OSS, in the previous millenium, there was a simple "set and trigger" function that allowed you to fire off the record and playback devices simultaneously, resulting in true zero latency recording. suddenly, within a very few years, this functionality began to disappear, until we arrive at the present, when it appears to be lacking completely. since, as far as i know, virtually every audio chip runs both devices off the same clock, it seems utterly ludicrous that modern multi-track, at least outside of very high end professional hardware, seems satisfied with latencies accurate to within a "few tens" of samples, as "guessed" by the driver. while this might seem a tiny offset, at 44k samples per second, it is variable, and never consistent, at least not on any "standard" hardware i have been able to test. for my own satisfaction, i have been reduced to using an external loopback, and measuring true "sync" by direct observation of the recorded output thus returned. the difference, to my ears, is stunning, especially when doubling vocals. true zero latency is very important, in any even halfway professional studio. am i missing something? as far as i can see, from fairly extensive duckducking (anti-googling, to those who care) the industry continues to ignore this most important, and essentially trivial, basic requirement. does anyone know why, or can explain what i am missing?

    1. Re:please correct me if you can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your mistake is using crap hardware. Google RME.

    2. Re:please correct me if you can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hardware audio sync is antiquated and unavailable because audio chips are not running simultaneous A/D. They are doing multiplexed A/D (far cheaper) so there is no such thing as true zero-latency recording of multi-track audio on PC audio devices (or any others for that matter).

      There is nothing you can do in a PC to correct this latency because the information is just not there. You get your track 2 sample a sample time after your track 1 sample. Of course, the chips are actually running samplerate*n_channels so the per-track sample rate is still what you want it to be, but the samples are all interleaved.

      To do true zero-latency recording of multiple simultaneous tracks requires a multi-channel simultaneous A/D, which is rare anymore because of price competition. You can't hear the difference anyway, despite what "audiophiles" tell you anyway.

    3. Re:please correct me if you can by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes. You can hear the difference. The human auditory system is very sensitive to *delays* between auditory event, and uses the information to detect motion and location of sound sources.

      Of course, once you've digitally sampled re-mixed, oversampled, undersampled, and basically run all that original analog information through the digitization blender that is modern "I can invent an audito theory that gets a new patent but has no actual benefit" technology, the information is about as us intact as the sensation of human skin detected by throwing baseballs at it and measuring how far the balls bounce.

    4. Re:please correct me if you can by rewindustry · · Score: 1

      i think you're splitting hairs - i have no problem with being a half a sample behind the output (or a quarter, in a two channel i/o context) - it's being within a few tens of samples, or even a few hundred, that bothers me, especially when this is considered "good enough" for the bulk of us.

      if the chips are interleaving anyway, i cannot see why it would be a problem to sync the data, since multiplexing implies a perfect integral n to n relationship in the first place, and can be demonstrated to remain in lockstep over many days, in tests i have run on multiple hardware, over the past decade. once you have the actual offset calculated, it remains stable essentially forever, or at least until your machine drops a buffer, even on the cheapest hardware.

      i'm not an audiophile, but i can assure you the disorientation i experience when multi-tracking my own singing voice in a loop across a stereo pan, relying on the driver's timestamp, is very real, and that this "artifact" disappears when the data is correctly offset, using the brute force method i described above.

      i'm of the opinion this problem is damaging us, as a species. in the old analog days latency was considered a big issue, now we seem to be growing a whole generation of singers who don't know what they're missing. it's not that important with an instrument, as every instrument has it's own latency, and as musicians we learn to compensate, even for the dreaded midi effect. it is when it comes to recording vocals, the difference is very obvious, and i'm concerned that very few people even realise what they're missing anymore.

      hence the heavy emphasis of post processing, and the dearth of natural voice recordings, i think, and perhaps i should get off my soapbox now.

  19. DSP and AudioLazy by hexxa_decimal · · Score: 5, Informative

    If Audacity is becoming too limited, perhaps you

    1. Need more multitrack features (Audacity is more an editing tool than a mixing one)

    2. Need a DSP (Digital Signal Processing) package so you can create your own audio processing patches

    As Audacity uses LADSPA plugins, you'll have the same ones in Ardour and any other DAW (Digital Audio Workstation) software. Another DAW would give you other analysis and another UI, but unless it goes beyond LADSPA/LV2, you'll have the same audio processing plugins. A "next step" here would be working with audio directly by programming, designing synthesis models, filters and so on. Usually that's not easy, but that's what many contemporary music composers do all the time.

    For the asked "good audio processing/editing/enhancing setup that can run on different platforms", I suggest you try AudioLazy (https://github.com/danilobellini/audiolazy) as part of this setup. It's an open source DSP for Python. Functions like "lowpass", "highpass", "resonator" gives you some common linear filters, and you can make your own [time variant] linear filter with the "z" object, besides basic operations (e.g. multiplying signals), synthesis (ADSR model, table lookup, FM synthesis, etc.), non-linear processing (e.g. getting the "arctan" of a signal to distort it), etc..

  20. Best Slashdot Story (High Quality) Ever? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As per the title.

  21. Fanboy by readacc · · Score: 1

    This is a bit of a sidetrack, but never, ever admit to being a fanboy of something. You can certainly be a fan, nothing wrong with that, because a fan (a true fan) is someone who is capable of enjoying and supporting something while still recognizing the limitations or problems that exist with the thing they're a fan of. Fanboys do not, they are loud and miserable to anyone who points out flaws in what they're defending, and are some of the most annoying pricks ever to grace the Internet and completely ruin any form of intelligent discourse. Hopefully you're just a fan of Linux (like I am), and not a fanboy who makes us look like childish idiots*.

    As for your question, I use Audacity as my main audio editor software as well. To be honest I have yet to encounter something with my (relatively modest) requirements for audio editing that Audacity couldn't do. It's pretty impressive. In terms of actually making music, I've dabbled with LMMS (mostly because unlike Ardour, I can still use it in Windows and prefer true cross-platform tools) but I'm not sure I'd could use it for much except simpler tracks.

    * There are also Windows fanboys, believe it or not. Neowin.net is a prime location for said folk. Just be aware that they cannot destroy the reputation of Windows, whereas the vocal minority of Linux fanboys certainly can, which is why I'm deeply annoyed about fanboys in general. They can ruin a good thing.

  22. There are many options by AntiSol · · Score: 3, Informative

    There's lots of open-source audio production software out there. Ardour, mentioned by others, and for midi composition I quite like rosegarden. There's also a bunch of other software which follows a more unixy philosophy - it does one thing and does it well but it's designed to be chained together. For example, there's jack, a low latency audio framework designed for audio production. It has a nice patch panel which allows you to link the output of any jack-enabled software to the input of any other jack-enabled software, ad nauseum. There's also an insanely huge pile of LADSPA plugins available for any software which supports them (most open-source stuff). There are many, many open-source software synths: timidity and fluidsynth being only the tip of the iceberg. One which may be of interest is bristol - it's an emulator for many popular and famous old synths.

    But when it comes down to it, I use FL studio. It's proprietary and not very highly regarded amongst some (snobby) audiophiles, but FL Studio runs quite well in wine, though it may require some tweaking to get it working smoothly. I like FL studio for its intuitive interface and bundled synthesizers. It's easy to use for a beginner with little audio production experience but it has enough knobs and dials that you're not lacking for options when you want to start getting more technical.

    I highly recommend running FL studio in it's own wineprefix so that you can tweak to your heart's content and so that other wine programs don't interfere with it. Since wine and FL both support ASIO you can plug FL studio into jack and use all the awesome open-source jack-based tools out there in conjunction with FL.

    For the open-source crowd, there's the inevitable open-source recreation: LMMS (Linux Multimedia Studio). When I last played with it it was very new and immature but it did support using VSTs through wine and it looks like it has matured well - I'd definitely recommend giving it a try.

  23. reaper + wineasio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Runs on all three. Windows with ASIO, OSX with core audio, and Linux via wine with wineasio + jack. Realtime latency is the best on a properly tweaked Linux system.

    1. Re:reaper + wineasio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Runs on all three. Windows with ASIO, OSX with core audio, and Linux via wine with wineasio + jack.

      If you need Wine to run something on Linux, then by definition it does not run on Linux, it runs on Windows.

  24. Guitarix by DrNico · · Score: 5, Informative

    As everyone has noted, Ardour is great for recording. Another really useful tool is Guitarix which is a fantastic guitar amp and effects modelling piece of open source software. Plug your electric guitar directly into your computer via a USB interface (I use my Rocksmith connector) and you can amp/effect model in Guitarix and record as you play in Ardour. Add the Hydrogen and you've also got your drums playing and sync'ed as you record. As well recording, these make a great set of tools for guitar practice.

  25. Ardour by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's all you need. Nothing else comes close under Linux. Nothing. Get the Ubuntu Studio distro from http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/ and go to town.

    www.ardour.org

  26. Ubuntustudio has quite a lot bootstraped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Personaly i use Ubuntustudio, which has quite e lot of Audiosoftware bootstrapped and ready to use.

    http://ubuntustudio.org/

    Ardour and the Audio jack System are just two prominent examples. And the kernel used has some optimization for low latency audio.

    Cheers

    Metasepp

  27. Re:Creative and restricting yourself? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He needs a DAW, not a toy.

  28. Re:Flamebait by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2

    Calling fine software (audacity) that millions of users use 'crap'...

    No, he was talking about "Adaucity", which is apparently so obscure, not even Google can find any developers associated with it. So that program might indeed be crap, but we'll never know.

  29. LMMS or Qtractor or Traverso and JACK by muridae · · Score: 2

    The windows release of LMMS is a bit buggy and finicky, but once I installed it in Ubuntu Studio (I could go source-only route, but letting someone else manage the package dependencies is easier, k?) it ran very well. With JACK handling the low latency interconnects between the usb midi adapter and the soft synth, and from the soft synth into LMMS, or from a simple app with some ALSA out to a software effects rack (Ubuntu Studio comes with a few) with JACK connecting that to LMMS, it all just seems to work. JACK is the glue that ends up tying all the pieces together, but if you are a Linux audio geek you either know that or are going to get very familiar with it very quickly. The other two I have very little personal experience with, but they are other big name DAW in the Linux world that I have yet to see mentioned.

    1. Re:LMMS or Qtractor or Traverso and JACK by deathguppie · · Score: 1

      I'm responding to this, because I agree that LMMS is a great program. A little awkward to use sometimes but still cool. I would also like to mention to the Ardour doubters out there that using the Calf plugins makes Ardour a whole new piece of software http://calf.sourceforge.net/ .

      --
      once more into the breach
  30. AV Linux by UnderCoverPenguin · · Score: 4, Informative

    AV Linux (http://www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html)

    Has Ardour, LMMS, JACK and many other multimedia tools configured to work together. Can run either as live DVD or install to your harddisk.

    --
    Don't try to out wierd me, three-eyes. I get stranger things than you, free with my breakfast cereal. --Zaphod Beeblebr
    1. Re:AV Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OpenMPT.

  31. Dynbolic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Dynbolic is a linux distro I tooled around with for a bit, made specifically for musical editing and such, it's loaded with tools, can't hurt to give it a shot, I was using a live USB or CD version but you can probably install it aswell.

  32. The NON projects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    non.tuxfamily.org

    Unlike Ardour it won't bring your system on it's knees.

    1. Re:The NON projects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The NON projects are indeed good.

      For others you could have a look at wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_audio_software#Recording_and_editing

  33. Re:Creative and restricting yourself? by tgd · · Score: 1

    He needs a DAW, not a toy.

    Other than pretending you know the music "jive", you have no idea if he does. He didn't list his requirements, his experience, the sort of hardware he's willing to invest in. The GP's answer, as much as OSX blows chow for most stuff, is probably the right one for the VAST majority of people asking that sort of question.

  34. Right tool for the job.... by eelke_klein · · Score: 1

    You may like Linux (I do to for things it is good at) but when it comes to professional music software there is very little available. There are some multitrack recording and sequencing solutions but they often lack in available effects and virtual instruments as writing good sounding and efficient filters and instruments is extremely hard. You should seriously consider having a look at the options available for OSX or even Windows. I know apple hardware is high in price but Apple's Logic is relatively cheap (compared to the competition) and contains many high quality filters and outstanding virtual instruments (they have samples on their website). For big compositions you can even use multiple macs either by syncing them using MIDI over ethernet or by harnishing the processing power using xgrid to cluster them.

  35. Renoise might fit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You might want to look into Renoise (www.renoise.com).

    It's a tracker-style DAW which runs on Linux, MacOS and Linux which has a bunch of features and good plugins from the get-go. It also supports all plugin formats you need on those platforms (VST, LADSPA, DSSI, AU). It can also use samples as instruments just like the classic trackers did, which helps if you don't have any instrument plugins around.

    It's closed-source, but it's only a fraction of the price of other DAWs and the development is very community driven. It's also customizable via LUA scripts.

  36. Just found Guayadeque by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've got about a half terabyte library, and all the linux audio players couldn't handle them without crashing. Rhythmbox, banshee, and the other popular ones couldn't even import all my songs without crashing. Guayadeque seems to handle it just fine, and has all the features of the others.

  37. Re:Flamebait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you think an operating system or software is going to help your musical creativity, you best not quit your day job.

  38. Think different? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know ur looking for linux stuff, but I really really really think you should give mac a chance. A few minutes playing with garage band and you will understand what I'm talking about. After a few months playing with it, move to something more professional (I like and recommend Apple Logic).

    I used Linux only for 7 years and then I was exactly where you are now (looking for a better way to record my songs on Linux), then I tried MacOSX and Garage Band. That was like a gift from heaven ;P

    Good luck anyway.

  39. if you just need a simple editor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It hard to go wrong with audacity if you just need a basic multi track audio editor although i will admit it is not as powerful as an editor like reaper or Ardour but then again it dose not need to be. it's not a full fledged DAW but it more the gets the job done. if your looking for a cross platform DAW you might want to look into Sunvox sure it's aimed mostly at synth users but it's surprisingly versatile. Heck Sunvox is even available for android and the files work on all platforms as they are self-contained.

  40. Get your priorities in order by Rob_Bryerton · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This is going to rub a lot of people the wrong way; just a bit of warning first. It's may sound mean, but I'm trying to help a fellow musician by snapping him out of his misguided fantasy land. Before you mod me down, think about it people: if you have access to professional tools, why would you not use them? You'd be a fool not too, correct?

    Being a Linux-fanboy since the mid-nineties...

    There's your first problem. Get over it; an OS is only a tool, a means to an end."I'm a Craftsman fanboy". "I'm a Snap-On fanboy." Sounds pretty silly, right? That's because it is silly. A tool is just that. It is either high-end and suitable, or it is junk and unsuitable for the task at hand.

    If you're serious at all about your music, you use OS X or Windows. That's where the action is. Full stop. That's where the the real music software will be found; nowhere else. Swallow your pride, choose one of those 2 OS's, and get on with making music. Honestly, this is like GiMP vs. PhotoShop, but on a whole other level. There is NO comparison. Get on with life, and leave Linux in the server room, where it belongs. ALL of the pro-level tools (and most of the toy stuff, too) is on OS X and Windows. Why are you restricting yourself? You're killing your potential and being held back by insisting on using third-rate tools. And for what? Because you're a "fanboy"? Good God, man, grow up!

    I say this as someone who makes their living as a Linux sysadmin. I use OS X at home, because I don't let a misguided sense pride get in the way of making music, among other things. You use the right tool for the job. PERIOD. Honestly, who intentionally sabotages themselves?

    Mod me down, boys...

    1. Re:Get your priorities in order by H0p313ss · · Score: 1

      "I'm a Craftsman fanboy". "I'm a Snap-On fanboy." Sounds pretty silly, right? That's because it is silly.

      And yet they exist. People don't make decisions in a void, they base them on prior experience and bias.

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    2. Re:Get your priorities in order by kayoshiii · · Score: 1

      Yeah there is more software available on MacOS or Windows in this field but you are way way way overstating your case.

      I do audio on linux with both free and commercial software and admittedly I do a lot more in the recording session and less on the computer afterwards but I don't feel that what I am is particularly slower or inferior in quality to what my windows and macOS friends are using.

    3. Re:Get your priorities in order by toygeek · · Score: 1

      I've been saying for several years, its not about what's "best" its about using the right tool for the job. Linux is a great server OS and Windows is a good desktop OS. I happen to dislike OS X so it doesn't factor in for me.

    4. Re:Get your priorities in order by six025 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah there is more software available on MacOS or Windows in this field but you are way way way overstating your case.

      The GPP is absolutely not overstating the case. I love Linux and open source, but it really isn't ready for audio recording and MIDI processing, let alone the myriad of other apps and plugins required for effects processing and mastering. I would be extremely surprised if there are any serious audio professionals using Linux as a DAW.

      As for the rest of us: inspiration can be difficult to find. When an idea for a song strikes your chosen platform and toolset must be ready to record perfect audio with low latency now. No configuration, no messing about. Load host, press record, start playing. Anything else is a compromise and will hamper your creativity.

      OS X and and Windows allow this to happen with very little configuration. The plugins are available, both free and paid. Linux does not. It may do in the future with host like Bitwig being made available (soon ...), but until that day it's Mac or Windows for consistently repeatable high quality audio work.

      Peace,
      Andy.

    5. Re:Get your priorities in order by Nerd+Flanders · · Score: 1

      What is "best" or "the right tool for the job" depends on your priorities and how you enjoy to do the job. You may want to do a job quickly and easily (especially if you need it to be efficient in order to get money), or you may like the challenge of doing things in a more convoluted way and enjoy learning some craftsmanship... or you may want to find a compromize between efficiency and ethics, if for philosophical reasons you prefer supporting cross-platform tools. This is not silly.

      GP's points may be valid, but the submitter does not have to agree that linux "should" stay in the server room. There is arrogance in saying so — and while there often is too much pride on the side of Linux fanboys, pride is not the only reason why people support free software or cross-platform compatibility.

    6. Re:Get your priorities in order by marcroelofs · · Score: 1

      A music workstation should be nothing more than a set of drivers and a windowmanager. Less is more.

      If that is the case I could understand why anyone would prefer a clean-lean-and-mean Linux-based solution over a W8 install where the OS alone has a footprint of several GB's and overshadows the actual editors by a factor 100. I mean, sometimes the most used tool just doesn't feel right.

    7. Re:Get your priorities in order by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      Get on with life, and leave Linux in the server room, where it belongs.

      No, linux belongs on students' old PC's - real server computing is done with ULTRIX, IRIX, OSF/1, or HP/UX.

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    8. Re:Get your priorities in order by ffflala · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If you're serious at all about your music, you use OS X or Windows. That's where the action is. Full stop.... Why are you restricting yourself? You're killing your potential and being held back by insisting on using third-rate tools.

      Please, revisit this preconception of yours. At first I was tempted to dismiss it with something antagonistic like "oh, shoosh," but that would be counterproductive. There's an underlying stereophilic assumption you're making here that I hope you will honestly revisit.

      Consider a longer-term view: the past century of music reproduction technology. 100 years ago you'd be dealing with piano rolls, player pianos; a bit later, '78s. Louis Armstrong, Charlie Parker, even the earliest Miles Davis was recorded under these relatively primitive conditions, and the music transcends the limitations of the tools. A few decades later the Beatles were cutting Sgt Pepper's with a fucking four track. Less than a decade later Queen gave us Bohemian Rhapsody, again using tape. Pink Floyd's The Wall.

      There are countless examples of great music with limited technology. The functionality that all of these production studios had was much more limited than what you can do with Ardour.

      The "grow up!" part of your comment really irks me. There are long term, RMS reasons for using free software. Professional artists are faced with a complex IP structure in which the use of proprietary solutions risks unintentional effects on your artistic output, such as surreptitious audio watermarking.

      I don't wish to sound dismissive. At the risk of doing so, it sounds like you're a sysadmin professional, not a music professional. I don't understand why you feel comfortable giving career advice directed towards those in the music industry. Can you explain a bit more about your own experience earning a living from creating and producing music?

    9. Re:Get your priorities in order by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ALL of the pro-level tools (and most of the toy stuff, too) is on OS X and Windows.

      The professional part is the engineer, it's not an operating system, software application or DSP plugin. The "pro" tag is in fact, something only to pondered by dilettantes.

      If it were more stable, I'd prefer to be using Ardour to any other DAW. It was designed as a professional level tool whereas I'm currently using Logic 'Pro' X... which has a built in Drummer.

    10. Re:Get your priorities in order by ffflala · · Score: 1

      The GPP is absolutely not overstating the case.

      I disagree. I've asked for a clarification if this is incorrect, but it appears he's a professional sysadmin, not a music professional in any capacity. Despite this, he feels comfortable making assertions on the technical requirements for professional musicians.

      In terms of *actual* music professionals, successful artists have done much more with much less than Ardour.

    11. Re:Get your priorities in order by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely.

      I am a music professional, and I never find the problem with people's productions to be a lack of plugins or editing tools. In fact it's quite often the use of them that is ruining it.

    12. Re:Get your priorities in order by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is an idiotic complaint, as, just like Windows/OSX you only need configure Linux once. It's not like it's going to magically reconfigure itself when you want to record something.

    13. Re:Get your priorities in order by Windwraith · · Score: 1

      Yet, there's pretty good work made with GIMP, and really shoddy things done with Photoshop. It's just a tool. Real talent can make you amazing artwork out of a badly sharpened pencil. Same with music. Your tools will make your work easier, not better, and only if they adapt to your taste.
      Defending your tools so fervently, and telling others to grow up for not seeing the light, you come as much as a fanboy as the guy saying he's an actual fanboy.

    14. Re:Get your priorities in order by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a professional mix engineer (mainly music, but some post production as well...) with credits on platinum artists albums...

      I've never encountered a single professional studio that uses linux. The parent you are replying to is absolutely 100% correct.

      I wouldn't consider linux is this case to be representative of "limited technology." Your comparison to tape and limited track counts have nothing to do with the stability or development within the linux platform for music creation...

    15. Re:Get your priorities in order by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The GPP is absolutely not overstating the case. I love Linux and open source, but it really isn't ready for audio recording and MIDI processing, let alone the myriad of other apps and plugins required for effects processing and mastering.

      Nonsense.

      I would be extremely surprised if there are any serious audio professionals using Linux as a DAW.

      So would I; Linux is an operating system kernel.

    16. Re:Get your priorities in order by readacc · · Score: 1

      I've never encountered a single professional studio that uses linux. The parent you are replying to is absolutely 100% correct.

      Professional music studios, like graphics houses, are conservative. By their very nature, they're likely to use industry standard software because it's industry standard, and so comes with a certain level of known support, known expectations, and the widest amount of people who known how to use said software. Often it's because it's the best software, but that's not to say alternative, non-industry standard software isn't suitable. It just isn't a factor when deciding what software to use, even if it's cheaper (or free).

      Amature, indie, home-grown musicians are more likely to be able to use Linux because they're more confined by the cost of the software, are less restricted in what they are allowed to use, and are possibly more interested in what other software is available to accomplish their goals.

      I'm not saying the pros are wrong and indie is right, by any stretch. But I will say that you're not going to find any inspiring stories of open-source/Linux in pro houses and shouldn't expect to do so. It's completely understandable why they don't... but shouldn't be taken as a reason not to use Linux and the available tools with it to make something great.

    17. Re:Get your priorities in order by ffflala · · Score: 2

      Your experience, which I will take at face value, isn't the point.

      There is an *inherent* appeal in free software to composers, sound designers, producers, and the kinds of creative people who want control over the tools they use in their creations. Think of like painters who could afford drums of whatever paint they'd like, but ultimately prefer to mix their own paints, or the kind of composers and performers who were building their own analog synths in the 60s.

    18. Re:Get your priorities in order by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux has (always) had better low level system performance than any of those other OS's you mentioned. The low level system responds better in Linux, it just does. The fact that people wrote tools for those other platforms because of their predatory market share is inconsequential. Port those tools to Linux if needed. He already has the best of the lot, now he just needs software. Good God man, get a clue and grow up!

    19. Re:Get your priorities in order by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fully agree with Andy on this one. Linux has long been lacking in the audo/MIDI/DAW department. There is nothing to compare to the versatility of major Mac/Win DAW packages for professionals. If you have lots of time, you can make do, but that's not a professional-level option. Most of those packages have been heavily vetted by thousands of heavy users over 10-15 years of constant daily use.

    20. Re:Get your priorities in order by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >leave Linux in the server room, where it belongs.
      NO! Get that shit out of my server room and stick it back on your little hobbyist home network where it truly belongs. Linux and its fanboys are the cancer killing unix and sensible practices.

    21. Re:Get your priorities in order by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess Google didn't get that memo.

    22. Re:Get your priorities in order by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When an idea for a song strikes your chosen platform and toolset must be ready to record perfect audio with low latency now. No configuration, no messing about. Load host, press record, start playing. Anything else is a compromise and will hamper your creativity.

      I dismiss this argument. I can leave my recording session open, armed to record for a week, come back and it works. Maybe longer, just never tried. My friend with a very expensive windows/Motu/protools set up sometimes gets a whole hour of use before his system crashes. Sometimes. Just sayin'.

  41. Nothing. In my Professional Opinion. by Schezar · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is nothing. There is no good solution for you. That was the answer in 2005 when I first asked it, and that is the answer today.

    Even an ancient copy of Cool Edit Pro running on Widows XP is more usable, useful, and powerful than any audio software available natively on Linux. Your non-professional, non-Windows options all share many (if not all) of these problems:

    1. Limited basic functionality
    2. Extensible only through writing your own code
    3. Difficult (impossible) to configure
    4. Literally the worst UIs you will ever see in your entire life
    5. Often unable to work with digital mixers and audio interfaces

    In the time it would take you to get something useful and functional working in Linux, you could spend the cash you would have made working minimum wage on Windows and Audition (or just pirate a copy of Cool Edit Pro).

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    1. Re:Nothing. In my Professional Opinion. by kayoshiii · · Score: 0

      Seriously?
      I would be quite happy to challenge Cool Edit Pro on Windows XP vs Ardour 3 on KXStudio.

      1) what limits?
      2) I can pipe the output of almost any Linux Audio app into the input of almost any other Linux Audio app. Feed a drum machine into a Guitar FX rack - no problem. I can use a fairly wide selection of Virtual Instruments include Windows ones. Same for audio FX. What other types of extension do you want?
      3) Most of the applications Have pretty straight forward configuration options - I don't know what to tell you here - not significantly different to any Windows application I have used.
      4) I don't even know which interface you are responding to.
      5) Good point - not all hardware is supported. If you plan to do Linux audio then you will need to find one that is before you start.

    2. Re:Nothing. In my Professional Opinion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I run Fedora 17 and Windows 7 (updated from XP). I use Cool Edit Pro (2.1), SoundForge (6.0), and Acid Pro (4.0). There is nothing in Linux that can cut it like these tools do. I have tried the Linux tools. I do have Audacity installed as well but hardly use it. Even my old copy of Cool Edit Pro (now Adobe Audition) beats Audacity hands down. If you are SERIOUS about music you have to go to Windows or Mac. The software just isn't there for Linux.Granted you can get any of these windows tools running on Linux using Wine. I did this with SuSe 10 at one point. But had issues with VST plugins in Cool Edit Pro and Soundforge. So I dropped back to using Windows so the issues went away.

    3. Re:Nothing. In my Professional Opinion. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have absolutely no idea about professional audio recording if you think an old CoolEdit can compete with ardour.

      Even basic things like full automation and routing, shuffle editing, and SMPTE drop frame sync are missing from Cool Edit.

      Then again, I am a professional, and my needs are probably a bit different to amateur users. If you need something like SADiE or ProTools then you need Ardour. If you want to play around, use Cool Edit by all means.

  42. Missing the point by folderol · · Score: 1

    I think you would find it difficult these days to find an OS that could not meet your requirements. However, any software package requires practice (lots of it) to get the most out of it. If the O/P is familiar and comfortable with Linux then why change? Audacity was a good choice for the O/P as a starter, as it has a shallow learning curve. Ardour will do much more (including very valuable non-destructive editing) but will take some time to get to grips with. The version coming out soon will also have extensive MIDI capabilities.

    If the O/P is going down the road of keyboard instruments, he/she can save an enormous amount of money and buy a dumb keyboard then link to one of the many excellent free soft-synths - more learning of course, so maybe stick to the accoustic material first then gradually bring in other stuff. A recipe for disaster is to try and do it all at once.

    The bottom line is that you don't need a lot of expensive hardware and software to produce first class results, but you do need to know how to make the best use of what you have and, most important of all, you need to develop you musical abilites as far as possible. I have heard astonishingly good music produced on the simplest of kit, and utter rubbish using top-line professional stuff.

  43. This comment may not be popular.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But as a hobbyist recording musician, the best free stuf out there all runs on Windows. And there is tons of it, from sequencers, editors, effects, synths, amp models and lots of fun experimental stuff. If you love Linux more than the potential all these free goodies offer for your music making then you will have to miss out on them. I would suggest, however, that the purchase of a cheap second hand Windows PC with a decent sound card would be greatly beneficial to your enjoyment of music making (my main music PC still runs Win 98 and it's fast and stable enough for all my needs : being more lightweight than subsequent Windows versions seems a real plus when it comes to issues like audio latency which are a potentail problem when running emulation layers such as Wine).

    It's good that there is stuff for Linux, but an investment of a few bucks will allow you access to the best of both worlds.

    BTW in my paid work, my systems run exclisively on Linux, as it is FAR superior to Windows as a server operating system.

  44. Thank you to the submitter by mcgrew · · Score: 2

    I'm looking for the same thing, something better than Audacity. Since I've been buying recordings for almost half a century I have a lot of analog recordings that I've been digitizing. I have an ancient Dell tower running Windows XP, and the only thing I use that computer for is digitizing using EAC, a free but Windows-only program. I can sample an LP or cassette (which of course takes as much time as playing the record) then spend five minutes telling EAC where it changes tracks, then burn it to CD. I havent' found the tools to do this in Audacity.

    I hope I can find a good Linux program, otherwise I'll have to unplug my modem every time I fire up the sampling computer. I'd rather just throw kubuntu or Mint on it.

    So I'll be looking at responses and checking out any linked sites.

    1. Re:Thank you to the submitter by gnapster · · Score: 1

      If 'better than Audacity' means (for you) good at recording albums and splitting tracks, then you might want to check out Polderbits. I used it for the purpose of digitizing cassette tapes many years ago, and I'm sure it has only gotten better. In terms of general features it is very limited compared to Audacity, but it is good at automatically detecting sensible places to split tracks. It is only released for Windows, but it may run in Wine.

    2. Re:Thank you to the submitter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      EAC runs through WINE, you may need to register some (IIRC) MFC .dll's. I've done it myself. No guarantee if it accurately rips CD's as it would in Windows, for what it's worth.

    3. Re:Thank you to the submitter by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I've been using EAC on the XP box. I want to nuke Windows on that machine and put kubuntu on it.

    4. Re:Thank you to the submitter by gnapster · · Score: 1

      I'm not familiar with EAC, but I did catch the bit about moving away from XP. That is why I mentioned wine. Wine supports some software better than others, and EAC seems to work well. (Now that I look in their database, it appears that Polderbits is not listed, so all bets are off.) Are you acquainted with Wine?

      Based on your description, it seems like Polderbits would suit your needs better than EAC since it is designed for the purpose of archiving analog audio, while EAC seems geared towards digital audio. It may be that neither one can be made to work well under Linux, but it sounded like you were interested in possibilities, so I shared the one that came to mind. YMMV.

    5. Re:Thank you to the submitter by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I know about Wine but it doesn't interest me. With Windows (or anything Microsoft touches) what works today probably won't tomorrow.

    6. Re:Thank you to the submitter by gnapster · · Score: 1

      I see. Well, good luck with your quest.

  45. Re:Flamebait by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    In the other hand, doing it in a way that nobody (or at least, most of the big/herd following) does is creativity. Don't follow the same as everyone else, try to build it yourself with brick and mortar, and you could end with something truly different, and maybe good. Those tools are there (both the open source and the commercial ones) because people use it and not as a toy, may be different (or lack something that you consider "essential", or adds something that they consider essential but you dismiss/ignore) to what you are used to, but could work anyway, and be useful in ways you don't imagine.

  46. Re:Creative and restricting yourself? by jones_supa · · Score: 1

    He needs a DAW, not a toy.

    It looks like some mini-DAW like Garageband might be hit the sweet spot for his needs.

  47. some more Linux DAWs/Multitrack/Recorders/etc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  48. Re:Flamebait by jones_supa · · Score: 1

    Why are you such a Linux retard? You're killing yourself creatively by asking for this kind of of software for Linux.

    Exactly. I do not personally support the RMS attitude of using something just because it's OpEn SoUrCe, if it actually makes the task too clunky to be enjoyable, or, as you said, limits your creativity. Use the best tool for the job, I says. Software which works is the primary thing IMO. Now, I use Linux and all that good stuff, but I prefer to use it for things which it is actually the best tool for the job, one example being programming.

  49. Re:Creative and restricting yourself? by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

    Not if your serious about music with the way Apple has been going with its emphasis on consumer ios

  50. Another plug for Reaper by dave.leigh7335 · · Score: 1

    I have to second PopeRatzo's high opinion of Reaper. It's try-before-you-buy with no restrictions, and a purchase price low enough that you feel like a heel until you pay Cockos. Excellent value!

  51. Harrison Mixbus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mixbus is a commercialized version of Ardour that runs on Windows, OSX, and Linux. It includes some proprietary mixing plugins and a more musician-friendly UI. For those who aren't familiar with them, Harrison is an American company that started making mixers in the heyday of albums, and they were associated with a lot of huge pop records. Now they focus on film sound mixers, many of which are linux-based. That's how the Ardour connection came about.

    Mixbus is still based on Ardour v2, which doesn't have MIDI tracks, but the user didn't mention MIDI so that may not be an issue. Future versions of Mixbus will have all the features of Ardour v3.

    Some of the proceeds from Mixbus sales goes to the main Ardour developer, and Harrison is also a heavy contributor to the source code. So contributing to Mixbus is contributing to Ardour, as well as getting a more polished user experience.

    The other benefit of Mixbus is that they provide commercial email support and they publish a LOT of videos which are also applicable to Ardour and audio recording in general.

  52. Re:Flamebait by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

    Compared to Live or the other DAW platforms Audacity is very limited compared to actual dedicated audio editors like Sonys forge even more so - fo ra limited use like and voice podcasts its ok but still a lot of work eg removing mains hum is 10 seconds in Live but using audacity not sure how long that would take.

  53. Re:Flamebait by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

    yes i program just by touching two wires together to create binary code instead of using an IDE - a DAW is the musical equivalent of an IDE

  54. Re:nice by mcgrew · · Score: 0

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    Wife: Have you got anything without spam?

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  55. Question Closed by Outtascope · · Score: 2

    This question has been closed as not constructive by ... oh wait, wrong forum.

  56. +1 Renoise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Best DAW on Linux? Renoise. Period.

  57. He's *using* linux. He *wants* crossplatform by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Best cross platform .... Linux only ...

    What exactly are we describing as cross platform and what exact shitty software won't work on one Linux box versus the next?

    I read it as "It needs to be cross platform as I'm a Linux-only user".

    Or to put it another way: No need to submit Mac OS X-only or Windows-only software, I can't run them. I need cross platform software to be able to use them in my Linux environment.

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    1. Re:He's *using* linux. He *wants* crossplatform by unixisc · · Score: 1

      That's exactly how I read it

  58. All depends on what you want by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're trying to get an all-singing, all-dancing system going which will suck in your playing, act as a mixer, let you do post production and all that, Ardour is as good as it gets.

    Muse is not bad, after ardour.

    If you want to write sheet music, musescore is actually pretty good.

    If you want to use something like a tracker with the ability to slide in a few MIDI or similar streams, why not try sunvox? Nightradio is an old hand in the demo scene, and his tools are cross platform and very effective.

  59. Harrison Mixbus by TAG13 · · Score: 1

    Look into a program called Harrison Mixbus. It's a DAW (Digital Audio Workstation) made by Harrison Audio Consoles, which is a company that has made and continues to make professional recording/mixing consoles. Those consoles are the real deal and have had some huge stuff recorded and mixed through them (Elton John, Queen, Led Zeppelin, Michael Jackson, Pearl Harbor, Transformers, etc).

    Recently, someone at Harrison Mixbus decided they wanted to make a DAW. The goal is to have a DAW with the character of an analog console, so each track adds a little of bit saturation and such to the sound, emulating what happens when sound signal go through the circuits of an analog board (specifically, Harrison analog boards). The DAW also aesthetically resembles an analog board, which is kind of cool, and every channel in the mix window has a good EQ and compressor built in (or you can ignore them if you don't want to fool with them). They're really targeting the niche of those in the audio crowd that need the efficiency and convenience of the digital world, but miss the analog character and experience of large format consoles. It runs on Windows, Mac, and Linux. If you have to work in Linux, then I would say this is the best DAW for it. It's built on top of Ardour, but they've done a lot to it. Unfortunately, there is no demo for the software. That's really, really stupid, in my opinion. There's only a small team working on the software, so perhaps you can email someone and ask them for a demo. Maybe they'll cave if you say not having a demo is a deal breaker for you. They have a subscription option, too, which is $50 + $9 a month, but that seems silly to me when the one-time price is only $150 right now.

    I was given a free copy of Harrison Mixbus from the company (they visited my college and gave some copies away) and I'm glad to have it, but I work faster in Pro Tools and I can approximate that analog sound through plugins in ProTools and Reaper when I want to. I don't run Linux and am already accustomed to ProTools and Reaper, so there's not a lot of reason for me to switch. I do keep it around, though, in case some band says they want that old school analog sound, but don't have the budget to rent a mixing studio with a large console. I would do the mix on Harrison Mixbus for that.

    Do your research before plopping down the money. There are several good videos on Youtube discussing it. If I had to start doing audio work on a Linux only machine for some reason, Mixbus is what I would be using.

    Here's the link:
    http://www.harrisonconsoles.com/mixbus/website/

  60. Rosegarden by HalAtWork · · Score: 3, Informative

    Rosegarden is an amazing piece of software, very close to garageband. Supports midi, notation, sampling, multi tracking, control external synths, really full featured. I don't know why it isn't mentioned more often.

  61. Fedora or CentOS + PlanetCCRMA by ffflala · · Score: 2
    Try this: http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/software/

    Planet CCRMA at Home (CCRMA is pronounced ``karma'') is a collection of free, open source rpm packages (RPM stands for RPM Package Manager) that you can add to a computer running Fedora, 17, 18 or 19, or CentOS 5 (not all applications are built on the 64 bit version) to transform it into an audio workstation with a low-latency kernel, current audio drivers and a nice set of music, midi and audio applications (what if you are not using Fedora or CentOS?).

    In particular, familiarize yourself with qjackctl and the jack server that it controls; it's a bit like the *nix concept of piping I/O, but for sound and sound apps.

  62. Re:Flamebait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess the basic problem with the FOSS premise is that there are far more users than programmers. RMS believes that the best people to write software are those who use it, so in an ideal world, there would be enough audio producers who can program to tailor the software to meet their needs. That's a tough sell, and the prospects are unlikely to change in the near future... as a result, you can make do with mediocre audio software or hone your programming skills enough to code it yourself.

    Even then, experts in digital audio are unlikely to be experts in UI design. Hell, most free software written by experts in their fields tends to have crappy user interfaces, designed by programmers for programmers.

  63. Studio 13.37 by northernalbertapolic · · Score: 1

    Studio 13.37 is the king of Linux DAWs. It does everything, is super easy, and gets superior performance from your hardware.

    1. Re:Studio 13.37 by northernalbertapolic · · Score: 1

      Forgot the link: getstudio1337.com. It comes with almost everything mentioned above.

  64. OS doesn't matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you have your priorities reversed. Ask yourself what tools are best for the job, then leverage the OS that allows you to use those tools. I don't care what OS I'm using, they're all good. I'm going to use the OS that allows me to run the best tools. Linux is certainly cool in its own right, but you're selling yourself short if you refuse to use anything else. I don't know about you, but when inspiration strikes I want to launch my app, plug in my controller and write. There's nothing wrong with using a seperate machine (or dual boot) for windows/Mac so you can get your work done. It doesn't mean you're "selling out" to the "evil corporations".

  65. Tracktion? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, I'm surprised nobody has said anything about Tracktion. It's proprietary but the Linux version is free, and it means you can bounce your projects between Windows / Mac / Linux easily. As a DAW it's not going to outdo protools or anything, but it's quite a step up from Audacity.

    http://www.tracktion.com/

  66. EnergyXT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't see any recommendations for EnergyXT, so I thought I would chime in. I have been using it since it was called Massiva, and still find it very useful when I want a good with support for audio and virtual instruments. It is also very lightweight in terms of resources, so it works well on many platforms. I used to use it on my Eee PC 701. It has been cross platform for a while now.

  67. Re:Cross Platform Host - PyDAW by substance2003 · · Score: 1

    The Hurd has been in development for a long time so it must be stable as well.

    All kidding aside, you're just making an assumption.

  68. Your best option... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your best option would be to stick your guitar up your ass you fucking piece of shit.

  69. Tracktion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tracktion has a new Linux version

    1. Re:Tracktion by Cyrano+de+Maniac · · Score: 1

      Thank you for mentioning this! I purchased Tracktion 3 for the Mac a number of years ago because its workflow and interface mapped better onto my brain than any alternative I could find (well, at least those I could demo for free, which was quite a few). However I was disappointed when Tracktion appeared to become an abandoned and unmaintained product, and it kept losing bits of usefulness with each OS X release. To be honest I'd given up on it and considered it to be lost money. But if it's back I'm *definitely* going in for the new version -- particularly as even the non-upgrade price is now around 20-25% of what I paid for the previous version (and an even better ratio on the upgrade price).

      I initially looked at it for the purpose of MIDI sequencing, and that's what I based my purchase decision on. However I never used it for that purpose but instead have done a small number of multitracked board recordings from my live sound-guy gigs. Back before the bit-rot it did an absolute bang-up job for those projects.

      But, anyway, given there's a new version and it would appear that active development has resumed, I'll definitely recommend checking it out. I mean, there's free demos for Windows, Mac, and Linux -- with certainly enough going on in the demo to determine whether it fits your style of operating and is worth purchasing.

      Direct links: http://www.tracktion.com/ and http://www.tracktion.com/linux/

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      Cyrano de Maniac
  70. Non DAW looks very effective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's an interview with the author of the Non DAW. He wrote a Linux DAW from scratch and then made an album with it:

    http://www.zthmusic.com/male/http://www.zthmusic.com/male/

    Link to the album:

    http://jonliles.bandcamp.com/album/sad-pretty-girl

  71. GIMP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use Gimp! It's as good as any professional software that's available on windows!

  72. A few ideas... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think it all depends upon what you want to do with your product.

    Are you a singer-songwriter type looking to flesh out your songs with digital instrumentation as a working 'demo', or are you looking at producing your own recordings to some professional standard?

    I've done a fair amount of work in the field, and recommend that the technology be tailored to the goal. Usually, I believe people are better off putting their money into decent microphones, preamps, a/d converters, and sound treatment for the recording environment before thinking about the software too much. A software-hooded perspective makes sense if you are an electronic music dude or experimental type, but a good microphone in a nice-sounding room usually eliminates the need for software feature-based turd polishing, unless you can't perform your own compositions effectively. I typically recommend designing your production chain so that you can set your recording computer on fire, go out and haul in an old 16-track Otari or the like, plug it in, and go.

    If you are building session mixes intended for portability to other 'pro' studios, you probably need Pro Tools. Sorry about that. Logic is probably better.

    If you are publishing your own music online, in mp3 formats or the like, then there are a huge host of products out there that should fit the bill at almost any budget.

    Ardour is an exceptionally good editor and multitrack recorder, if you can figure it out. Audacity is a nice casual editor, but I'd be leery of using it for anything serious. It is great for editing samples, for example. Without unlimited undo, however, you can destroy your source if you arent' careful. I'm leery of its ability to keep sync on multitrack sessions as well.

    Every once in a while, I test my little home recording rig (AV Linux, Ardour, running on two old M-Audio Delta 1010's) by yanking the power cable out of the wall in the middle of a casual recording session. Upon reboot, I always get all the audio up to the point of the yank. I would be very nervous performing this same test on a MS-based DAW. Macs are probably safer here.

    Choosing linux for audio production means you have to know the capabilities of your hardware. For high-quality audio-based production, this essentially means RME Hammerfall products. MIDI production is a different aspect altogether, depends upon your chosen hardware configuration. I've had issues with MIDI clocking on all three major platforms, mostly due to issues with 'industry standards' and cheap internal computer clocks.

    Choice of target format is pretty important. I chose gnu/linux because FLAC is an open format, which fights the 'need' for the latest and greatest. Most of the music I love is still being recorded to tape, or is painstakingly engineered to sound 'tape-like'. There are a lot of reasons for this. Digital recordings at 48khz/24bit on up can sound great, too, but usually require more post-production effort. Some 'semi-pro' modern A/D converters sound fantastic out of the box, others really need an external clock.

  73. Ocenaudio by vandamme · · Score: 1

    ...is something I just looked at as a replacement to Audacity (just records, processes and edits). It has some cool features, so check it out.

  74. Re by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You might try the kxstudio distribution first. PlanetCCRMA is an excellent choice for pro-audio. Also, you would try not to constrain yourself to just a single DAW for your needs. You can (I do) use ardour (for tracking), rosegarden, qtractor (for sequencing), hydrogen (drum sequencer and sampler), linuxsampler (qsampler, jsampler, can be used as plugin in ardour,rosegarden.....) all together for a single project (jack allows a lot of routing options). Use a session manager too (ladish perhaps). You can also use windows vst and vsti (there is festige, carla, or dssi-vst, fst, festige is a gui frontend to dssi-vst, fst). If you build ardour from source, you can use vst in ardour too.

  75. Dedicated hardware by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 1
    After being in similar situation and trying a USB guitar/mic interface and various F/OSS and proprietary software on windows and linux for recording, I gave up in the face of instability, unreliability and glitchiness, and bought one of these.

    It records WAVs onto an SD Card. It doesn't crash or create glitchy artifacts in the middle of recording, it has a nice physical interface, and its output can be read by any multitracking software you like.

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    (1.21 gigawatts) / (88 miles per hour) = 30 757 874 newtons
    1. Re:Dedicated hardware by Ginger+Unicorn · · Score: 1

      sorry that link was ambiguous at best, the one I chose (though i'm sure the others are fine) was the Zoom R8.

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      (1.21 gigawatts) / (88 miles per hour) = 30 757 874 newtons
  76. Cross Platform music by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    gosgog:
    Take a look at Multimedia on synaptic package

  77. Gonna have to remember that phrase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Realtime latency." I like it.

  78. Yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's this about, the music or the technology?

    If your music is shit, no amount of technology is going to make it great, and if your music is great, you don't need superior technology to demonstrate it. The examples given are proof enough; but I'd add artists like Kraftwerk and Yello to the mix, since their music is more rooted in technology but still informed by the creative human spirit, whether it's Kraftwerk's classical melodic grandeur or Yello's hot Afro-Caribbean body moving funk.

    Good god, man, what are you trying to make? Music, or a point?

  79. linux for guitarists: real time kernel by rcrath · · Score: 1

    As a guitarist who works in windows and linux and once in a while mac, one of the issues that confronts live playing and recording live playing is latency. On a six year old quadcore intel processor I am able to run guitarix, a looper, a drum machine (hydrogen) and a simple recorder through jack with 32 samples latency, while the best I can get from windows and asio is 128 samples. WHile perceptually you cannot discretely hear gaps this this short, it turns up in the expressiveness of the playing. longer yet still audibly discretely imperceptible latencies feel sticky and it is harder to get a groove going. If the poster is recording a guitar through a mic and not multitracking then latency is not really an issue, nor is it an issue if sequencing, but for live guitar playing a real time linux kernel available in the debian repos, and some tweaks to services and nice combined with guitarix and jack and a few other programs readily available in the repos can make a mean low latency single purpose linux box a great tool for tracking electric guitar without an external amp. I still do most of my work in windows, but if I need that particular combination, I can go to my older linux box and get one aspect of the performance that it does really well. Also the LV and ladspa plugins have some really interesting spectral effects and other unusual items that are not found as readily in the VST world.

  80. Cracked LabView by badkarmadayaccount · · Score: 1

    Get one, build your own DJ mixing console, screw analog hardware.

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    I know tobacco is bad for you, so I smoke weed with crack.