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Sony Issues Detailed PS4 FAQ Ahead of Launch

Sockatume writes "Sony has released a detailed FAQ for the PS4 system, which launches in coming weeks. Of particular note: although Bluetooth headsets will not be compatible, generic 3.5mm and USB audio devices will work; the console will require activation via the internet or a special disk before it will play Blu-ray or DVDs; media servers, MP3s, and audio CDs are not supported. The console's "suspend/resume" and remote assistance features are listed as unavailable for the North American launch, implying that they will be patched in before the console launches in Europe later in November."

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  1. No media server support upsets me by CokoBWare · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So I was excited to buy a PS4 until they announced no media server support. Same with XBone. I guess I'm just one of those guys who will stay with his PS3 for the forseeable future...

    I know why they made that choice, but it doesn't service the customers who put their media library on a server instead of on disc.

    1. Re:No media server support upsets me by somersault · · Score: 2

      I had a PS4 pre-order for a while. I cancelled it because likely all the games I enjoy will be out on PS3 for a good while anyway. And while AC4 does look very pretty on PS4, it's "good enough" for me on PS3 right now. I'll probably get a PS4 once it comes down to around 250GBP.

      While I rarely do it, I did actually play an audio CD on my PS3 last week too. Alongside my desktop PC, it's the only device in my house that can play them now.

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    2. Re:No media server support upsets me by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      That is more about internet access issues.
      These games are huge, downloading them for many would either take days or put them over their quota.

    3. Re:No media server support upsets me by omnichad · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's the hobbyist way to buy MP3/AAC tracks. They come with their own lossless backup.

    4. Re:No media server support upsets me by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 3, Informative

      because for decent stereo systems, mp3 is not good enough.

      I prefer to buy a cd (used), rip it to flac and play that.

      when I rip, I know its done right and if there are errors, I send the cd back or re-rip until it comes out right.

      allofmp3 used to sell flac. times were good back then. now, to get flac, you mostly have to rip yourself (or have someone do it, but again, you don't have control over the quality and there's a lot that can go wrong when someone careless does the rip/encode/tag).

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    5. Re:No media server support upsets me by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

      Lots of websites still sell flac from what I can tell.
      Most CDs are so poorly mastered (loudness wars) that I have trouble imagining it matters if they are ripped to MP3 or not.

      I don't have the hearing for decent sound systems anyway, too many loud concerts and gun fire in my youth.

    6. Re:No media server support upsets me by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Informative

      DLNA is a standard so dreadful that it's hard to imagine that it wasn't written as some kind of joke, except that you never, ever, hit the punchline, it just keeps hurting.

      However, it should be noted that, with the PS3, Sony didn't let that stop them: They put out a DLNA client and, because their hardware was about the single most common DLNA client that anybody actually used (I think WMP, at least some versions, is nominally a DLNA client; but sharing from computer to computer, when both machines are Windows boxes and you could just use SMB, isn't much of a use case compared to streaming to your TV), people sucked it up and tailored their DLNA server support to the PS3. That's why "http://www.ps3mediaserver.org/" is called what it is. It's a DLNA server, it isn't locked to PS3s only or anything; but wherever something was fucked up or unclear (with DLNA, this is normal) the PS3's behavior was taken into account.

      Either Sony's figures suggested that only .01% of users ever used the feature, and it isn't worth the terrible burden of recompiling it for x86, or they actively wish to de-support streaming of 3rd-party media, for reasons of their own.

    7. Re:No media server support upsets me by umafuckit · · Score: 2

      No one should be buying this proprietary garbage to begin with. These companies despise openness and users' freedoms.

      This is such bollocks. It's a fucking games console: it's an optional luxury in life. It plays games and that's why you buy it. If you're not interested in the games then don't buy it. Yes, it's locked it down, and there are obvious reasons for that. I fail to see how it being locked down takes away your freedom. You're still free to buy a general purpose computer and use that instead. You're still free to shove Linux on your PS3 (despite the lack of OtherOS), it's just more of a pain in the arse now: http://www.linux.com/learn/answers/view/490-is-it-possible-to-put-linux-on-my-ps3-without-the-use-of-any-other-pc Yes, it's annoying that they took away the feature and it would have pissed me off if I depended on it. But it's an annoyance, not an assault on freedom.

    8. Re:No media server support upsets me by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      If you just rip them why not buy the songs on amazon as mp3s and back them up yourself?

      Because I still like having something physical, to be perfectly honest.

      Buying MP3s to me feels like I've not bought anything, and the way I buy and find music is usually from sifting through the CD racks in music stores. I don't set out thinking "gee, what I need is what I just heard on the radio" (because I don't listen to the radio), it's more of a "hey, what's this stuff" kind of process. Much more tactile and random, and lets me discover stuff that's in and around the other stuff I like -- I've discovered a whole bunch of punk just from looking through the stacks and at album covers and realizing "this must be psychobilly, I'm buying it".

      And then I just rip the CDs at a bitrate slightly higher than where I've ever been able to tell the difference with the CD, and shelve the CD with all of the other ones. I've gone into music stores and dropped several hundred dollars in one go as I've found a bunch of stuff I recognized as being something I'd be interested in.

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    9. Re:No media server support upsets me by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 2

      Because I can buy CDs on clearance and I like CDs. Why don't you like the same stuff that I do?

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    10. Re:No media server support upsets me by umafuckit · · Score: 2

      Its an assault on freedom when the entire purpose media playback was removed was to funnel you to their services. Its insulting, demeaning and petty as hell. There is NO REASON other then greed for this decision. Its a huge 'fuck you'.

      You're right that it's likely an unsubtle way of forcing their music service. I can see how it would be fucking annoying if you expected to rely on your PS4 as a music centre. Nonetheless, I have a hard time seeing this as an assault on "freedom." Consoles, iDevices, and their brethren are not multi-purpose computers. They're obviously media-distribution portals designed for the benefit of their manufacturers. You (should) know that when you buy them and you take the risks that come with it. Most manufacturers of these products cripple them as much as possible without actually turning away too many people. We saw this dramatically with the used game policy on the upcoming Bone. If you want the certainty of "freedom", then run your own media server or plug an MP3 player of your choice into your amp. Yes, it means pointless hardware redundancy but that's nothing new.

    11. Re:No media server support upsets me by cayenne8 · · Score: 2

      If you just rip them why not buy the songs on amazon as mp3s and back them up yourself? If you wanted to be really hipster you could even back them up to CDs.

      I rip my usually to FLAC, a lossless compression for listening to my good audio system in the living room...and also to mp3 for lessor listening environments like the car or ipod in the gym.

      No DRM and freedom to listen in any format I want.

      Not to mention, it won't disappear if a company or company's service goes out of function.

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    12. Re:No media server support upsets me by cayenne8 · · Score: 2
      But some folks out here still want better than mp3 fidelity.

      I am looking into buying online, the better stuff I've been finding at the 96khz level, but that's still not as prevalent as the CDs your can find in stores.

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  2. No media servers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What ever?
    Seems like a backward step to me. If Sony thinks that 1000s and 1000s of its devices are being used solely as media servers, they are right.

    If they think that omitting that feature will mean more games sales, they are mistaken.

    1. Re:No media servers? by Captain+Hook · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they think that omitting that feature will mean more games sales, they are mistaken.

      True, if people were buying consoles as media boxes then you are right, they won't sell more games this way, but they might sell less consoles are loss making prices so they would still be better off financially as a result.

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  3. Conflict of interest by JDG1980 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the console will require activation via the internet or a special disk before it will play Blu-ray or DVDs; media servers, MP3s, and audio CDs are not supported

    This is why Sony needs to spin off its media division, as Dan Loeb has proposed.

    As long as Sony is both a consumer electronics company and a major movie/recording studio, the consumer electronics division will always be compromised by the need to serve the overall corporate goals rather than the customer's needs.

    You just know that the "no media server" and "have to activate on the Internet for DVD/Blu-ray" restrictions were added at the insistence of the suits on the studio side. These restrictions do nothing for customers, and a pure consumer electronics company would have no reason to hurt the functionality of their product by inflicting them.

    1. Re:Conflict of interest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nah, the activation would be there regardless. It's so that they only need to pay the per-unit DVD and BluRay licensing fees based on how many units are activated, rather than how many units are manufactured.

      They probably figure that a whole bunch of people won't bother activating it since they already have a BluRay player and at least four different DVD-playing devices attached to their teevee already. Saves some money, and the average consumer doesn't really care about a little one-time annoyance (as long as it actually works after they activate it, of course).

    2. Re:Conflict of interest by MozeeToby · · Score: 2

      Well, the DVD/Blu-ray activation could theoretically save them couple bucks per console if they don't have to pay licensing for those technologies on consoles that never get activated.

    3. Re:Conflict of interest by gstoddart · · Score: 2

      Well, the DVD/Blu-ray activation could theoretically save them couple bucks per console if they don't have to pay licensing for those technologies on consoles that never get activated.

      Who, exactly, does Sony have to pay? Didn't they create the BluRay spec and pretty much own it?

      At which point I should expect some imaginary money to be moved around. Selling you a device which half works sounds like the usual crap I expect from Sony -- which is why I haven't owned anything made by Sony in quite some time.

      This is just their usual "screw the consumer" policies. And I'm not willing to play their game.

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    4. Re:Conflict of interest by omnichad · · Score: 2

      They still have to pay through MPEG-LA and BDA. There's the whole issue of being able to play Dolby or DTS audio or using MPEG codecs that does require royalties outside of Sony.

  4. No media servers? by Horshu · · Score: 2

    What's the point of that? As someone who has terabytes dedicated to local media storage rather than counting on the cloud to reliably stream (or even carry) a particular album or movie, this trend is really ticking me off. I'm going to take a guess that XBone won't serve as a Media Center Extender as well. Was hoping for a single device to play games, watch TV, and listen to music, but it looks more and more like I need to get a separate NUC (or equivalent) for the media server access (although that was going to be necessary anyway, since XB360 won't play ripped DVDs)

  5. Tax Dodge! Ligitimate reason. by tuppe666 · · Score: 2

    Give me Linux back or fuck off!

    - Not sent from an iPhone

    Ironically the main reason for Linux on the PS3 (and the PS2) was the fact that Sony paid less tax on it in Europe. It is something I agreed with. Ironically this generation would make a killer desktop machine, or even homework computer for student. If you do care and are not say advocating an alternative console out of some strange fanaticism, contact your local MP or equivalent. Although at last count I see about 8 Linux consoles....I own two.

  6. Re:Why activation for Blu-rays/DVD's? by gnfnrf · · Score: 2

    It's probably a licensing thing. Sony doesn't want to pay the per-player fee on every device they sell, just every device that is activated.

  7. If you want Linux instead of Sony by tepples · · Score: 3, Informative

    Give me Linux back or f off!

    Now that alternatives have appeared, it's that much easier to tell Sony Computer Entertainment to f off. OUYA runs Android, which uses the Linux kernel. The forthcoming Steam Machine from Valve runs SteamOS, a distribution of GNU/Linux.

    1. Re:If you want Linux instead of Sony by sI4shd0rk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And regardless of religious background, it is still impolite to use such language.

      Impolite? They're mere strings of letters, just like any other words. The only difference is that some people are irrational enough to be offended by these words and expect others to stop using them simply because they don't like to hear them.

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  8. Brazil charges prohibitive import duty by tepples · · Score: 3, Informative

    As I understand it, the majority of the price of a PlayStation 4 console in Brazil is import duty paid to the government of Brazil. What you need to do to get the price reduced in Brazil is elect a legislature that raises the government's operating budget other than through prohibitive import duties.

    1. Re:Brazil charges prohibitive import duty by Sockatume · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, traditionally Sony, Apple etc. have actually opened factories to make the devices in Brazil because it's better for their bottom line than expecting customers to spend the import levy.

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    2. Re:Brazil charges prohibitive import duty by JDG1980 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Yes, traditionally Sony, Apple etc. have actually opened factories to make the devices in Brazil because it's better for their bottom line than expecting customers to spend the import levy.

      And this is the primary reason that those tariffs exist. Brazil wants to build up its industrial base, rather than just serve as a cheap source of raw materials. High tariffs are a good way to do this, and that strategy is not at all new or unique. Prior to the 20th century, tariffs provided a majority of the U.S. government's revenue. It was a deliberate choice of industrial policy – Henry Clay's "American System" – to protect the growth of domestic industry by making imported products more expensive in comparison. The South, which primarily exported raw materials, disliked this policy, but they lost, and by the 1880s, the U.S. was the world's dominant industrial power. In Germany, Otto von Bismarck did much the same thing with his "marriage of iron and rye". The result is that a country which was weak and divided until 1871 became powerful enough to take on the rest of Europe and almost win.

      Economists don't like to hear it, but history proves that protectionism works.

    3. Re:Brazil charges prohibitive import duty by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, traditionally Sony, Apple etc. have actually opened factories to make the devices in Brazil because it's better for their bottom line than expecting customers to spend the import levy.

      And this is the primary reason that those tariffs exist. Brazil wants to build up its industrial base, rather than just serve as a cheap source of raw materials. High tariffs are a good way to do this, and that strategy is not at all new or unique. Prior to the 20th century, tariffs provided a majority of the U.S. government's revenue. It was a deliberate choice of industrial policy â" Henry Clay's "American System" â" to protect the growth of domestic industry by making imported products more expensive in comparison. The South, which primarily exported raw materials, disliked this policy, but they lost, and by the 1880s, the U.S. was the world's dominant industrial power. In Germany, Otto von Bismarck did much the same thing with his "marriage of iron and rye". The result is that a country which was weak and divided until 1871 became powerful enough to take on the rest of Europe and almost win.

      Economists don't like to hear it, but history proves that protectionism works.

      Hmm..sounds like we need to start a bit of this back up *slowly*...and start making it more profitable to make our own stuff in the USA again.

      LIke the recent example of the drug made in Germany, that they might not sell us anymore due to their views on capital punishment...the US is now at the mercy of depending on other countries' manufacturing for us instead of the other way around as it was back in the day.

      That is not only unsettling, but could soon prove a problem for national security.

      The US is large enough and has enough resources for the most part to be MUCH more fully independent than it is, and we need to look at idea such as tariffs, to bring more of this back home to us and allow us to be more fully in charge of our own needs and destiny.

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    4. Re:Brazil charges prohibitive import duty by DM9290 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Depends on how you define "works". If you mean funds the state pretty well and protects some industries at the expense of everyone else, then yes they work great.

      not at the expense of "everyone else". That is an over simplification.

      For instance, If the price of imported electronics goes up (via an import tariff), this creates an opportunity for local electronics producers to benefit. The local cost of electronics increases, and the profit margins of local electronics producers increase. But the only people who have any increased expense are those who buy electronics.

      If you don't buy electronics then your costs are unaffected. And if you buy electronics your costs are affected only in proportion to that specific item.

      However the local manufacturing of electronics creates jobs, and creates demand in many sectors, not only electronics (for instance a factory requires construction and machines which are not necessarily made exclusively of microchips). the people with those jobs are now going to spend their money throughout the entire local economy, which in turn benefits everybody locally. In turn this creates more incentive for local investment and even greater local prosperity.

      Protectionism has a proven history of working. And every wealthy powerful nation started off as very protectionist. There is not 1 single example of a country becoming wealthy and powerful by starting as a completely open free trade zone.

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    5. Re:Brazil charges prohibitive import duty by stms · · Score: 2

      The Xbox One is almost half the price of the PS4 in Brazil. So, Brazil's ridiculous Tariff is not the only thing making the PS4 expensive.

    6. Re:Brazil charges prohibitive import duty by Sockatume · · Score: 2

      In Brazil's case, being Apple's and Sony's manufacturing centre for the entirety of South America in the future doesn't seem like a bad deal for the country.

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  9. CD defined by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    Compact Disc Digital Audio is a lossless audio format introduced in the 1980s. Each disc 120 mm in diameter (the size of the later DVD) stored up to 80 minutes of stereo audio at a sample rate and depth that an adult ear cannot distinguish from any higher sample rate or depth. After the introduction of MP3 format in the late 1990s, people would buy CDs, copy them to computers using a CD-ROM drive, and compress the result to MP3 for later listening in a noisy environment that can get away with lower fidelity. And until the late 2000s when Amazon started selling MP3 downloads, CD was the only way to buy popular music for listening on a computer or pocket device without digital restrictions management.

  10. MPEG-LA, for one by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    Who, exactly, does Sony have to pay?

    Sony would have to pay other BDA members, DVD FLLC, DVD CCA, (Mac)Rovi(sion), AACSLA, MPEG-LA, and anyone else who manages licensing patents or DRM trade secrets associated with BD or DVD video.

  11. Re:Why activation for Blu-rays/DVD's? by tepples · · Score: 2

    Doesn't Sony own that licensing?

    Please see replies to gstoddart's comment.

  12. Re:Halo 2 ended by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Until you can't play the game anymore because the last gen console's multiplayer servers have been shut down for good.

    Which, if you'd read my entire post where I said I don't play games on-line, you wouldn't be suggesting.

    For some of us, video games are played alone/with friends in our basement or living room, with no networking involved -- the way it was meant to be done. ;-)

    For me (and I realize I'm a relatively smaller minority of gamers), on-line gaming carries absolutely zero appeal. And all of the 'social' aspects (like badges and winning coins and spending real money to get better stuff) is equally meaningless to me.

    To me, when I'm in the mood and have time, I'll fire up the video game, play a while, and then turn it off. Driving games, Tiger Woods, Skyrim, the wife's dancing games for the Kinect ... none of these are the kinds of things I want to play against someone on the internet.

    My video game console doesn't get connected to the network, and is completely air-gapped. And I can't say I've ever felt I was missing out on anything. In fact, the brief period I had it on-line was enough to convince me that I definitely don't want it.

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  13. Re:HDMI port limit by damnbunni · · Score: 2

    They do make automated HDMI switches, you know. You can get one for about ten bucks.

    The HDMI inputs have priority levels; plug your console into a 'high' priority one and when you switch it on the TV will change from the media box to the console automagically.

  14. Re:HDMI port limit by h4rr4r · · Score: 2

    You do realize they sell HDMI switches right?
    They are very cheap.

  15. Image Constraint Token; PAL market defined by tepples · · Score: 3, Informative

    But why does it support 480p?

    It's probably an AACS requirement to support at least one EDTV resolution, given the Image Constraint Token.

    But that last line really cinches it... "In PAL markets". WTF? Seriously Sony, what the hell does PAL-vs-NTSC have to do with it, when you only have digital outputs?

    "PAL market" refers to markets that use 50 Hz alternating current and historically used PAL video: Europe, Australia, and New Zealand. These tend to have fewer people per country than North America. This increases cost of licensing works for adaptation when distributors own exclusive rights in different countries. It increases the cost of localization as UI and games must be dubbed in more languages. It increases censorship as some PAL market countries have less comprehensive protection of speech than the United States, allowing no-swastikas policies and refusal to accept neighboring countries' classification for violent, sexual, or otherwise objectionable materials. Finally, Europe tends toward stronger warranty requirements for consumer products than North America.

    For that matter, does PAL-vs-NTSC even exist at all anymore?

    Yes. It would be cost prohibitive for the PAL market to switch to 60 Hz AC and a single media distribution territory, and it would be politically unpopular to adopt English language, free speech, and U.S.-style minimal warranty.

  16. But does harassment discourage the majority? by tepples · · Score: 2

    Not all of us want to hear racist and homophobic slurs being yelled by children

    Major video game consoles are made for the profitable majority, not the less profitable edge case. I understand your concern about racial and sexual harassment in online pickup groups of strangers, but another comment claims that most gamers happen not to share this problem.

  17. PS4 launch: time to buy a PS3 by umafuckit · · Score: 2

    I almost pre-ordered the PS4 but in the end I bought a PS3 instead. They're only $250 right now and there's a vast games collection with lots of great older titles at under $20. Didn't seem worth paying a premium for a PS4 given the tiny game selection at launch and the fact that I'd be forking out $60 for each game. If I want great graphics, I'll go to the study and fire up the PC. However, I find myself preferring GT5 or Little Big Planet in the living room whilst hanging out with my girlfriend and the dog. The only problem is that the dog is unsettled by video games for some weird, dog-only-knows, reason.

  18. Re:Halo 2 ended by gstoddart · · Score: 2

    What the heck is Digital Copy?

    Licensed digital copy of movies, downloadable from iTunes-- which I was already using anyway (yeah, whatever). At that point, I can watch it on my iPod or my Apple TV -- sadly, I can't watch on my Android tablet, but can still dust off my first gen iPad to watch movies on planes. But you can usually buy the combo pack which has Blu Ray, DVD, and the Digital copy for only slightly more than just the Blu Ray.

    When I discovered I could play movies from my iPod onto the TV in the hotel room when I travel on business, then suddenly business travel didn't suck nearly so bad. Room service and The Avengers is a whole lot more enjoyable than, well, room service and whatever the hell is on TV. I can watch part of a movie on the plane and finish it on the TV in the hotel room. I just usually bring a half dozen or so movies on a business trip, and I'm good to go

    Why not just rip the blu ray?

    Honestly I assume that by now it's exceedingly annoying to try to rip those things, and the one I can download from iTunes is pretty much there and good to go in much less time. And spending too much time on it isn't exactly how I want to spend my time these days.

    I tend to only watch things once so I don't buy a lot of media.

    I tend to watch and re-watch movies quite a bit, so I've historically bought quite a lot of them. I've got some movies which are likely to get re-watched between 2 and 6 times/year.

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  19. Re:Halo 2 ended by futuresheep · · Score: 2

    Honestly I assume that by now it's exceedingly annoying to try to rip those things, and the one I can download from iTunes is pretty much there and good to go in much less time. And spending too much time on it isn't exactly how I want to spend my time these days.

    MakeMKV makes it trivial to do a 1:1 rip of your Bluray into an MKV container that has the primary video and audio stream. If you need any conversion after that for tablets etc... Handbrake does the job very well.

    http://makemkv.com/ http://handbrake.fr/

    Both are really as point can click as it gets.

  20. Prisoner's dilemma by tepples · · Score: 2

    Our politicians/govt should be more concerned about our individual success rather than the collective world. That's their job, to put our interests over and above any other countries' interests.

    Such selfishness is a prisoner's dilemma that ultimately results in worse outcomes across the board.