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Microsoft To Can Skype API; Third-Party Products Will Not Work

Mark Gibbs writes "If you've recently fired up Skype you may have noticed a dialog box with a warning appear briefly (at least on OS X) then vanish. If you're fast enough to catch it you'll find that it's warning you that some application you're using that works with Skype will stop working in December, 2013. This applies to all sorts of software supporting headsets, cameras, ... you name it."

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  1. Embrace, Extend, Extinguish by Gothmolly · · Score: 5, Funny

    Cue sad trombone sound for people who are outraged that MS would take Skype and change it.

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    1. Re:Embrace, Extend, Extinguish by smittyoneeach · · Score: 5, Funny
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  2. And nothing of value was lost... by ZorinLynx · · Score: 5, Funny

    Who still uses Skype? There are better alternatives now, and a lot more open, too.

    Seems Microsoft is shooting themselves in the foot... again. They're really good at this. Ya think they have special guns specifically designed to shoot downwards into feet? Weighted so that you can comfortably hold them as you fire? With special scopes to ensure you fire accurately and ammo custom-tailored for maximum damage to a foot-shapred target at close range?

    I wouldn't be surprised. :)

    1. Re:And nothing of value was lost... by ArbitraryName · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Everyone uses Skype. Every other product in the field is a niche compared to Skype. Everyone knows the brand "Skype" and what it does. It's ubiquitous enough to be mentioned in print newspaper comics, which are basically only read by old people at this point. This is a common trap people in technology fall into. They feel like everyone must know about all these other options because they do. Skype is almost a household word at this point. Grandparents totter into Best Buy and ask the kid working there what they need to Skype with their granddaughter. That's my personal litmus test, when old people start asking for a technology.

    2. Re:And nothing of value was lost... by icebike · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Third world countries use skype.
      Everybody else has an IPhone or Android that will let you voice chat or video chat anywhere in the world for nothing.

      Skype is a household word as is Kleenex, and people want to get rid of both as soon as they have used it.

      Skype is backdoored and nobody but love struck teenagers use it any more.

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    3. Re:And nothing of value was lost... by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      > Everyone uses Skype. Every other product in the field is a niche compared to Skype.

      I think you're right. And everyone (especially old people) at one point thought AOL was The Internet.

      That's not a totally fair comparison because at one time Skype was, you know, good. But you know as well as I that this move by Microsoft will have the direct result of making alternatives more interesting, and a name will eventually replace Skype in our lexicon, just like certain names replaced Internet Explorer. (Nothing specific replaced AOL in our mindshare because everyone realized that a generic broadband connection gave them everything AOL had to offer and more, included with the price of the connection.)

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    4. Re:And nothing of value was lost... by epyT-R · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's also thoroughly backdoor'd, feature paywalled, and has shitty audio, even in 'hd' mode... It's also got a shitty GUI and ads.

      Jitsi, despite its being written written in java, is a better deal. It's crypted, supports virtually every useful codec and does not require third party servers. Of course, you can use it with third parties if desired. Because of this, it can be configured to offer much better audio quality, which is a major issue with these things it seems. All people care about is the video I guess.

    5. Re:And nothing of value was lost... by vux984 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Who still uses Skype? There are better alternatives now, and a lot more open, too.

      Like what? I dislike skype and want to stop using it, and for the usage I do have, I -can- get the other people to switch.

      However, switch to what is the question?

      I need something that works x-platform: mac, pc, android, ios, and windows phone 8). Linux would be a bonus for me, but not a requirement. At least we don't need BB support.

      It needs to do voice, group voice (at Least 5-6 people), IM chat, and group IM chat (unlimited people), and have contacts. Voice quality needs to be good, low latency, no echo, no breathing, no push-to-talk.

      I'd like it to be open, but at the very least it HAS to be less privacy invasive than Skype. I'm not ditching skype for Google+ Hangouts or Facebook Messenger or something like that.

      I'm actively looking for solutions but the VOIP stuff tends to be poor at the IM chat side, and everything else seems to suck at the voice or being cross platform enough.

    6. Re:And nothing of value was lost... by dalias · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you use skype for calling telephones, you're getting ripped off horribly. Their rates are 3 to 10 times higher than good VoIP providers (personally, I recommend Diamondcard or Callcentric which both have good rates and service quality, but you can get even cheaper if you look around for lower-quality VoIP carriers), especially once you figure in the "connection fee" they added which often gets applied even when you call doesn't really go through. It's not as bad if you have a monthly plan (which waives the connection fees and has unlimited calling to selected countries) but unless your usage is really high you can still get better prices paying per-minute with other carriers (and, for some countries, you can even get cheaper unlimited plans with other carriers).

    7. Re:And nothing of value was lost... by postbigbang · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Just about everything you communicate with that runs on wires or electrical waves is backdoored.

      But many more people than lovestruck teens use Skype. Closing up the API was inevitable. Pay4Play is called ecosystem, and ecosystem is revenue, and revenue is shareholder return on investment.

      As Microsoft is a for-profit corporation, they will behave like one.

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    8. Re:And nothing of value was lost... by FirstOne · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Agreed, I'm using up the last of my SKYPE balance, still use it for calling 800 numbers(which are still free), but that's about it.

      Just got Google chat to phone via gmail working, which took some doing to get around the browser id check. Now, I can call phones in the USA for free, while skype charges $0.049 to connect and $0.023/min.

    9. Re:And nothing of value was lost... by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Funny

      > Everyone uses Skype.

      Microsoft's working on that!

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    10. Re:And nothing of value was lost... by Dynedain · · Score: 5, Interesting

      A brand name isn't worth anything anymore when you've killed the brand.

      Except to a lot of people, they don't realize it's a brand. To the non-tech savvy, there's no difference between a branded service (like Skype or Twitter) vs. an open service (like email). Notice the GP mentioned old people going into Best Buy and asking for the tools to "Skype" not the tools to "video chat on the web".

      All they know is that there's some kind of thing you can do on computers, and they want to make sure they can do that thing with the people on the other end that are important to them. They don't know (or care about) the difference between a proprietary toolchain vs. an open one.

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    11. Re:And nothing of value was lost... by epyT-R · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well jitsi does voice in a variety of protocols, video (up to 720p) via h263 or h264, conference audio/video/im, and can work p2p/SIP, infrastructure SIP, or piggyback onto a variety of IM services. I don't know about android et al, but I imagine SIP clients for those platforms would work. It has no artificial limits on numbers of participants in conference calls.. It also crypts all communications with ZRTP. My only gripe with it is that the client GUI is written in java.

      Honestly, audio quality is my primary pet peeve of skype. Whatever codec they use clobbers consonant sounds, even in 'hd' calls.. In contrast, I've gotten some nice high quality voice calls with jitsi.

    12. Re:And nothing of value was lost... by futuresheep · · Score: 4, Informative
    13. Re:And nothing of value was lost... by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "n IPhone or Android that will let you voice chat or video chat anywhere in the world for nothing."

      yeah.. by using Skype.

      pretty much everyone - if your'e talking about "normal people" - in the first world too use skype if they have to voice chat over to another country.

      what do people have in their business email sigs nowadays? their name, email, phone number and skype name.

      "nobody uses it trolololo" is as fucking stupid as saying that nobody uses windows anymore.

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  3. Re:What will we do ? by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What will we do ? Its not like a few developers can get together and create a voice-over-IP service themselves. Oh ... wait a minute.

    Right up until find yourself fighting a patent infringement lawsuit, I fear.

    You really think Microsoft (and Skype before them) didn't make damned sure their patents were filed and recorded for this stuff? Or that they wouldn't be so over-broad as to encompass the entire concept?

    I'm not so sure.

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  4. Stallman is right by Required+Snark · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Any proprietary software is potentially a trap. You get to use it as long as the owners let you, and they can change their mind at any time.

    I know it's fashionable to knock Stallman here on Slashdot (including personal attacks about how he dresses), but he has been consistently right over a long period of time about the pitfalls of closed source.

    In this case MS is clearly locking out 3rd party apps, and no one really knows why.

    It's not just MS. Google does the same thing. Someone pointed out that the typically lifetime of most free Google apps is 4 years. Even when there the apps are not discontinued, the terms of service are often changed. Look at original Gmail vs. Gmail+. Many people, including myself, would not have become dependent on Gmail if they had known what would happen to it.

    So when Stallman is being critical, pay attention. He's likely to be right.

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  5. Re:What will we do ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We had such software back in late 90s as well during icq days, so makes no sense that they can sue you over something that has been around long before skype.

  6. Re:What will we do ? by binarylarry · · Score: 4, Funny

    uh oh!

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  7. Facetime by wjcofkc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Perhaps Apple will grow some wisdom and open up FaceTime in response as they promised to years ago.

    I'm not sure if this is score nothing, score funny, or score insightful. Apple to save the day?

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  8. Gmail phone and change terms of bandwidth sale. by beachdog · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As previous posters have mentioned, if you open a web browser page to your Gmail account, there is a telephone option. If you have a suitable headset and microphone you can type in a landline phone number. In the USA, calls are free to USA locations.

    I use the Gmail phone for every possible call I can make from my desk because local toll and long distance calls are charged on a per-minute basis. The deep advantage of all the internet communication methods is the connection is per packet, not per minute.

    I played with the Asterisk scriptable phone and communications engine (also known as a PBX or private branch exchange). I was looking for a fast local and free communications solution for facilitating just-in-time ride sharing. There are little fragments of the solution scattered around.

    At the risk of being a little impolite: Except for amateur radio (which is very circumscribed in its usage), the American communications game consists of continually figuring out more and more mutually incompatible and progressively more expensive ways of selling tiny dribbles of two way communication bandwidth for progressively higher and higher prices.

    It seems to me that a series of communication solutions could exist. The key is to change the terms of sale of cell phone bandwidth. Present policy, I guess, sells a radio band x geographic area x population to the highest bidder. What the people would benefit from is selling the reciprocal of that relationship: The federal price would go down as the total bytes transmitted increases. The user charge would be an asymptote like function that as usage increases the price approaches the basic cost: (cost is like: price of transmitter electricity + amortized cost of transmitter + monthly fiber optic access + profit) divided by count of users. Dollar sums point to a cell site: $20,000 per month, 5,000 users; $5 per month each.

      At present, jaw dropping sums of money have to be bid by huge organizations of national scope to get a communication franchise. With this fixed annual cost, franchise winners have to charge for every byte transmitted. The franchise winners have to charge a spectrum of prices that avoids the perception they are charging "all the market will bear". Remember all that linear programming you studied in college? The bandwidth is chopped into a blather of services that obscure the basic price per byte. How much does Tracfone pay for a three minute call thorugh an ATandT cell tower? That manufacturing cost recovery reality in turn means no anonymous users and no free data transit. Unlike the land line phone, incoming calls are not free in the cellphone business.

  9. SIP - Blink and Jitsi by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 4, Informative

    Developers have already gotten on top of this. There are about a half dozen excellent cross-platform SIP applications out there. Jitsi, IMHO, blows away Skype. There is also Blink, despite the name it's good, too. These are the top two and are cross-platform. Use either to connect to either, they both work well.

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