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Fuel Cell-Powered Data Centers Could Cut Costs and Carbon

angry tapir writes "A group of Microsoft researchers believe that using fuel cells to power data centers could potentially result in an 'over 20% reduction in costs using conservative projections', cutting infrastructure and power input costs. In addition, using fuel cells would likely result in a smaller carbon footprint for data centers. The researchers looked at the potential of using fuel cells at the rack level to power servers in data centers — although they note there is a long way to go before this could become a reality (not least of the small worldwide production level of fuel cells)."

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  1. What's a fuel cell? by BringsApples · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A fuel cell is a device that converts the chemical energy from a fuel into electricity through a chemical reaction with oxygen or another oxidizing agent. Hydrogen is the most common fuel, but hydrocarbons such as natural gas and alcohols like methanol are sometimes used. Fuel cells are different from batteries in that they require a constant source of fuel and oxygen/air to sustain the chemical reaction; however, fuel cells can produce electricity continually for as long as these inputs are supplied.

    So it's better to have the fuel cell at your place, rather than the fuel cells be at some electric company that then sells you the electricity at a higher price than you would pay for the "inputs".

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    1. Re:What's a fuel cell? by Trouvist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Combustion of Hydrogen Creates Water. The hydrogen reacts quite powerfully and rapidly with the oxidizing agent (in this case, Oxygen) and creates water. If that harms the atmosphere in any way, I'd be quite surprised.

    2. Re:What's a fuel cell? by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 3, Informative

      I have a furnace that is hooked up to a natural gas main. I have a faucet that's hooked up to a water main. I have a water heater that's hooked up to both. They all work fine with occasional maintenance. Commercial/industrial buildings just do it on a larger scale. A fuel cell would just be another appliance hooked up to a supply main. If the technology scales well--which it does--there's no reason to add all the overhead (cost/reduced efficiency) required to centrally produce and distribute. The only problem with local/hyper-local production is the business model of power companies.

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    3. Re:What's a fuel cell? by bobbied · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Creation of Hydrogen gas is only commercially viable though reforming natural gas, which produces C02 as a byproduct. Electrolysis is not cost effective and requires more electrical power than your fuel cell could produce. Generation of electrical power usually requires a release of CO2 as well.

      If you have a fuel cell that burns methane (i.e. Natural gas) or other fuels the fuel cell will have to reform it into Hydrogen (releasing CO2) before it's used. If you burn just Hydrogen, somebody else did the reforming (releasing the CO2 for you).

      The only way this works out as a plus for the environment is by making it possible to use LESS fuel for the same amount of power. And in this way it *might* work out to be marginally better, based on the possible efficiency gains of fuel cells.

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  2. Wake me up... by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Give me a call when those fuel cells are ready for deployment, then we can talk about all these wonderful uses. No talk about the carbon footprint of operating fuel cells?

    The article mixes the use of fuel cells as a power source with efficiency improvements. The only place that makes sense is with the minor savings that may be seen by eliminating DC converters, but you will still need DC regulators which will have some losses.

    A major oversight of this article is the fact that fuel cells are major heat generators, not something you want in a data center. They would need to be installed in a separated structure, therefore idea that "Rack-level fuel cells would do away with data-centre-wide electricity distribution for servers" is hard to imagine.

    1. Re:Wake me up... by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      The article talks about fuel cells at the data center, server, and rack levels. At the center level, this can be done today, and I guess the researchers didn't mention Bloom box. At the server and rack level, I do agree with you that heat may be a a problem.

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    2. Re:Wake me up... by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A major oversight of this article is the fact that fuel cells are major heat generators, not something you want in a data center. They would need to be installed in a separated structure, therefore idea that "Rack-level fuel cells would do away with data-centre-wide electricity distribution for servers" is hard to imagine.

      Microsoft imagined tablets back in the 90s. Nobody cared. Apple imagined them a couple years ago and people wet themselves like an excited dog. You have to admit that at least part of your skepticism is based on the messenger, not just the message.

      The only thing that makes fuel cells more attractive in this scenario is that the cost is controlled; It is not tied to your geographic location. I'm sure you've read several dozen articles by now about how various data centers were built in various parts of the country due to low electricity costs, only to find that once they had built it, the utilities and local municipalities decided to jack the rates up. This famously happened to the NSA data center.

      If we had a high density energy storage solution, like fuel cells, then the local monopolistic energy companies wouldn't be able to dictate terms to anyone anymore. In effect, it would break their natural monopoly.

      All that said... let's be honest... it's still on the drawing board. Just like the flying car.

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    3. Re:Wake me up... by girlintraining · · Score: 2

      And how are they not going to do the same for natural gas, or any other form of energy? The one you describe is a regulatory problem, not a technical one.

      It may surprise you to learn, but many advancements in technology are due to "regulatory" problems. And it isn't a regulatory problem; energy service providers have a natural monopoly. Before you comment about how that's a regulatory problem, please google what a natural monopoly is. The fact is, you don't want a half-dozen power grids all in the same area competing; AC power doesn't take well to getting out of phase across the grid. And by not taking well, I mean, shit explodes. Violently. You can have many power plants, but really only one grid. It is non-trivial to connect two grids together... it requires a lot of high-power equipment to correct for phase variance, proper isolation, etc. In fact, there are only about 6 major power grids in the United States, and about 10 on the continent. That speaks volumes to the price of having multiple grids.

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  3. and thats not all! by nimbius · · Score: 4, Funny

    Fuel Cell-Powered Data Centers Could Cut Costs and Carbon,
    belch candy and caviar,
    increase ROI, MTTF, MTBF, LMNOP,
    and even brew a cuppa tea!
    but just listen to Microsoft, dont take it from me!

    P.S.: dear god someone please use Azure. I know its not the datacenter its the cloud, but we've pissed cash into it like a shit-faced geriatric at a slot machine and so far it generates more heat than revenue...
    P.P.S: also try Bing, Windows Phone, Windows Tablet, and windows 8.1 app store moneytrain edition for workgroups. god christ i cant take another quarterly 'why arent we relevant anymore' meeting.

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  4. Did they take into account... by PhantomHarlock · · Score: 2

    ...the energy cost of separating the hydrogen from the oxygen? That is currently the Achilles heel of fuel cells. It takes more energy to do that than to burn fossil fuels or nuclear directly. Though every once in a while someone comes up with a lab-proof for doing it more efficiently. Anyone have the latest on that technology?

  5. Installing FCs in servers/racks won't work by orzetto · · Score: 4, Informative

    The article does not mention it clearly, but those fuel cells are likely natural-gas powered. They are either very high-temperature cells (800 degrees C) or low-temperature cells (70-120 degrees C) with a reformer somewhere that converts natural gas to hydrogen. In the former case you would need to handle fuel at insanely high temperatures close to a bunch of electronics (you can guess what happens at the first leak), in the second you have to handle a hydrogen distribution network, and hydrogen is a nasty gas to work with (see for example hydrogen embrittlement); nothing that cannot be handled, but providing it to single servers or even racks? Hydrogen-proof piping is expensive, and even worse are the valves.

    In any case, gas piping is never going to be as practical as power cords. You cannot bend it, coil it, join it easily, and you will need also piping to collect exhaust gases: since this hydrogen comes from natural gas, it travels with CO2, and you don't want it to accumulate in the data centre. You may also need another line to provide oxygen if the data centre ventilation is insufficient.

    The argument that one would do away with power supplies is foolish: simply provide a network of DC power instead for all required voltages. FCs produce DC power, but their output voltage is unsteady and needs to be converted to the right voltage; and there are several voltages that a server requires anyway.

    So, if FCs have to be, they need to be placed outside the data centre, and function as their power stations. At this point, one wonders, why should we ever consider to install FCs in power stations? Simply build a FC power station and export to the grid.

    The main driver for FCs in power generation in the US is the low price of natural gas due to high shale gas production.

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  6. Waste heat by benjfowler · · Score: 2

    Assuming they're going to put fuel cells into racks and power DC power supplies directly, there's all sorts of little complications to work out.

    Like -- what do you do with all that extra waste heat, and what impact would that have on overall costs, versus simply having the electricity fed in conventionally?

    And what about the safety -- or lack thereof -- of running gas lines to every rack in a large facility?

    Fuel cells don't exactly grow on trees either. The savings would have to be massive to justify the significant costs of the cells themselves.

  7. This will not reduce greenhouse gas emissions by presidenteloco · · Score: 2

    In the short term, the Microsoft report is about natural-gas fuelled fuel cells.
    New analyses are showing natural gas to be about equal to coal in CO2-equivalent greenhouse gas emissions per amount of energy output.
    The reasons are basically two-fold. One, there is a lot of gas escape and energy usage during the extraction and transport of natural gas, and two, natural gas is methane, which when it escapes into the atmosphere is 20-30 times worse in greenhouse warming effect than CO2 over a 100 year lifecycle in the atmosphere.

    Now if microsoft was talking about putting in really large fields of PV or solar thermal electricity generators around each data center, and generating the hydrogen from water, then that would reduce greenhouse gas emissions, but then in that case, is hydrogen the best energy storage medium for a solar data center? Maybe molten salt (heat storage) or compressed air or underground pumped hydro or sodium-sulfur batteries would be better than compressed or liquid hydrogen.

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  8. I think this is 'feel-good' BS by xtronics · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Fuel cells need ultra pure fuel in order to not spoil their extremely expensive reactors. Creating this fuel and transporting it cleanly is not cheap.

    I've seen no end of articles claiming that fuel cells are the cure to everything. Tons of grant money has flowed and no products are displacing other technology.

    The market place is far from perfect, but it is far better than any panel of pointy headed academics at providing workable solutions. M$ has shown the lack of ability to create new profitable products for many years now - this looks like yet another windoze fone effort.

  9. Microsoft's tablets sucked 10 years ago by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Microsoft imagined tablets back in the 90s. Nobody cared

    That's because Microsoft's implementation of those tablets back then SUCKED. I used some of their tablets and they simply weren't a good product. They treated a pen like a mouse and slapped some half-baked afterthought software for using pens on top of their mouse/keyboard oriented products. The result was extra cost for very little benefit to most people. They never really understood that a pen is NOT a replacement for a keyboard. A pen is ONLY useful for drawing. As a result Microsoft's tablets were an answer to a question nobody asked.

    Apple imagined them a couple years ago and people wet themselves like an excited dog.

    That's because Apple's product actually worked fairly well and filled a need many people didn't even know they had. My 94 year old computer illiterate grandmother uses an iPad daily and there is no way in hell that would have happened with Microsoft's tablet.