Slashdot Mirror


Google To Block Local Chrome Extensions On Windows Starting In January

An anonymous reader writes "Google today announced it will block local Chrome extensions starting in January, but only on the Windows platform. This means that next year, Windows users will only be able to install extensions for the company's browser from the Chrome Web Store. The changes will affect both Chrome's stable and beta channels on Windows. Google says it will continue to support local extension installs on its Dev and Canary channels, as well as installs via Enterprise policy. Chrome apps are not affected at all and will continue to be supported normally."

55 of 260 comments (clear)

  1. LastPass by jupiterssj4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I know that LastPass has a web app, but the local app has for more options. Hope they get this updated before January!

  2. Or, of course extensions that google doesn't like. by queazocotal · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For example, YouTube downloaders-

  3. I stopped using Chrome by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I stopped using Chrome because it's extensions were not up to par with Firefox addons.
    And now I feel less inclined to use Chrome at all.

    1. Re:I stopped using Chrome by ebno-10db · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I stopped using Chrome because it's extensions were not up to par with Firefox addons.
      And now I feel less inclined to use Chrome at all.

      Ditto. What does Google hope to accomplish with this? Switching to Firefox takes less than 5 minutes.

    2. Re:I stopped using Chrome by Lee_Dailey · · Score: 4, Interesting

      howdy y'all,

      the google folks are aware of the upcoming "australis" abomination and are not worried about firefox at all. [*sigh ...*]

      the firefox devs are crippling the addon system, crippling the customization system, removing the addon bar/status bar, blocking putting icons anywhere other than on the navigation toolbar, and generally ripping out the things that make firefox so completely customizable.

      all this in the name of "simplicity" and "making customization more accessible to more users".

      actually, it's being done in the name of stripping out things they don't like to maintain while still adding all that developer tools stuff that otta be in an extension.

      i suspect that i will switch to seamonkey when australis comes out on firefox.

      take care,
      lee

    3. Re:I stopped using Chrome by SleepyHappyDoc · · Score: 4, Funny

      Switching to Firefox takes less than 5 minutes.

      Yes, every time it starts up.

      --
      Stasis is death. Embrace change.
    4. Re:I stopped using Chrome by Guspaz · · Score: 2

      Google provides something like 90% of Mozilla's revenue because they slightly outbid Microsoft and Yahoo for the contract. If Microsoft or Yahoo outbid Google when the current contract expires in November 2014, then Google won't be providing 90% of their revenue anymore.

      It's worth pointing out that Google is paying three times more ($300 million per year) for their current contract than their last one, because Microsoft and Yahoo bid so aggressively, so it's not like there isn't a large demand for Mozilla's ad space.

    5. Re:I stopped using Chrome by Guspaz · · Score: 2

      Mozilla only gets funding from Google because Google slightly outbid Microsoft and Yahoo.

    6. Re:I stopped using Chrome by mmmXIII · · Score: 2

      Financing[edit] The Mozilla Foundation is funded by donations and "search royalties". Since 2005, the vast majority of funds have come from Google Inc. Initial funding in 2003 came from AOL, who donated US$2 million, and from Mitch Kapor who donated US$300,000. The group has tax-exempt status under section 501(c)(3) of the U.S. tax code, though the Mozilla Corporation subsidiary is taxable. In 2006, the Mozilla Foundation received US$66.8 million in revenues, of which US$61.5 million is attributed to "search royalties" from Google.[9] The foundation has an ongoing deal with Google to make Google search the default in the Firefox browser search bar and hence send it search referrals; a Firefox themed Google search site has also been made the default home page of Firefox. The original contract expired in November 2006. However, Google renewed the contract until November 2008 and again through 2011.[10] On 20 December 2011 Mozilla announced that the contract was once again renewed for at least three years to November 2014, at three times the amount previously paid, or nearly US$300 million annually.[11][12] Approximately 85% of Mozilla’s revenue for 2006 was derived from this contract.

  4. Ugh by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 5, Informative

    I use an extension to download videos from YouTube. Those tend to be blocked from the Web Store, so you have to install them manually from other websites (this is the bit that is getting blocked). I hope there is at least a command line switch left in to disable this behavior! It's very "walled garden" and I don't like it.

    BTW, the summary says "local extensions" but that is incorrect. It just blocks non-Chrome Web Store web extensions. Extensions you are actively developing and load via "Load unpacked extension" will still work.

    Actually, that might have to be the fix for my YouTube extension I use. Oh well.

    1. Re:Ugh by fermion · · Score: 2
      This is why I continue to use Firefox for most everything. Cookie managers, ad blockers, flash blockers, youtube downloaders. Most of this used to be baked into Camino, but, alas it is no more. Still it is easy enough to duplicate the functionality in the Firefox build.

      More evidence that Google is not afraid of making life harder on the users, in the name of security of course, to protect it's revenue flow. It has gotten to the point where I am even using Bing sometimes. If I can find a replacement for Google Docs, I might even leave the Google workflow altogether, and use Dropbox instead of Google drive.

      --
      "She's a scientist and a lesbian. She's not going to let it slide." Orphan Black
    2. Re:Ugh by Charliemopps · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you don't like "walled gardens" why the hell are you using Chrome when that's clearly its sole purpose? I mean, come on, when it came out anyone with any sense knew exactly why Google wrote it, and that was due to all the activity in the firefox addon community.

  5. Sure, go ahead. by pla · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...And overnight, Chromium replaces 97% of Chrome's market share.

    1. Re:Sure, go ahead. by rotaryexpress · · Score: 3, Funny

      ....On 0.1% of Chrome users.

    2. Re:Sure, go ahead. by cpicon92 · · Score: 2

      ...And overnight, Chromium replaces 97% of Chrome's market share.

      Not that I approve of Google's decision, but how many people do you think actually use extensions from outside the store? And how many of those people like them enough to bother locating Chromium builds for Windows? I highly doubt Chrome's market share will be much affected by this...

    3. Re:Sure, go ahead. by Sir_Sri · · Score: 3, Insightful

      but how many people do you think actually use extensions from outside the store?

      of the people that use extensions at all? Probably most of them, as I would think the most popular extensions are things like youtube downloaders and netflix unblockers that let you use VPN services so you can access say UK netflix from the US, and US netflix from Australia.

  6. Well that sucks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Good thing I use Chromium.

  7. Re:Or, of course extensions that google doesn't li by i+kan+reed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Adblock, maybe?

  8. Walled Garden: One brick at a time.... by EvilSS · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Did Google recently buy a brick factory because they seem to be trying to slowly build a wall around their not-quite-as-open-as-it-once-was garden. Between this and some of the stuff they are pulling with Android (Play Store, API lock-ins) and Chromecast they seem to be all about turning down the openness lately. Come to think of it, that seems to be a trend (Skype, Twitter APIs off the top of my head, then of course that fruit company) lately.

    --
    I browse on +1 so AC's need not respond, I won't see it.
    1. Re:Walled Garden: One brick at a time.... by ebno-10db · · Score: 2

      Frankly I don't know much about Firefox OS, but it's starting to sound better and better. For that matter, couldn't there be an Android fork? (which would have companies w/ serious $ behind it).

      Sounds like Google is starting to suffer from the same hubris that's killed so many companies that were once on top. Sort of a corporate variant of Napolean's "the world's cemeteries are filled with indispensable men". I can't think of anything Google has that can't be replaced, or for which there are already alternatives.

    2. Re:Walled Garden: One brick at a time.... by nurb432 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't forget moving nearly all their stuff to the new 'Google play framework'... and all the internal hooks it brings with it, just to read mail or send a message..

      Google has run off the track.

      --
      ---- Booth was a patriot ----
    3. Re:Walled Garden: One brick at a time.... by cffrost · · Score: 2

      [...] then of course that fruit company [...]

      App-pull?

      --
      Thank you, Edward Snowden.

      "Arguments from authority are worthless." —Carl Sagan
    4. Re:Walled Garden: One brick at a time.... by maccodemonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Did Google recently buy a brick factory because they seem to be trying to slowly build a wall around their not-quite-as-open-as-it-once-was garden. Between this and some of the stuff they are pulling with Android (Play Store, API lock-ins) and Chromecast they seem to be all about turning down the openness lately. Come to think of it, that seems to be a trend (Skype, Twitter APIs off the top of my head, then of course that fruit company) lately.

      I saw this coming from a long ways away from Google. It's classic embrace, extend, and extinguish, Microsoft style.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish

      "The strategy's three phases are:[11]
      Embrace: Development of software substantially compatible with a competing product, or implementing a public standard.
      Extend: Addition and promotion of features not supported by the competing product or part of the standard, creating interoperability problems for customers who try to use the 'simple' standard.
      Extinguish: When extensions become a de facto standard because of their dominant market share, they marginalize competitors that do not or cannot support the new extensions."

      Google was only committed to open source for the "extend" portion. Now that they've got more market share than Apple on mobile, and they're dominant in the browser market, they're moving on to extinguish.

    5. Re:Walled Garden: One brick at a time.... by omnichad · · Score: 2
  9. So, who wants to fork. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Oh, wait, you can just use Chromium and stop crying.

    Anyone that uses Chrome and bitches deserves to suffer. You do not need automatic updates.
    In fact, automatic updates are more of a pain than anything. There is a reason nobody uses forced updating in business, because developers are asshats that constantly break their own shit and then everyone suffers because of it.
    Chromium devs are some of the worst for that too. I can't count how many times "stable" updates broke the browser back in the earlier days, jesus christ what the hell were you guys doing?

    If they do, however, block it on Chromium, I am serious in the forking question, I can easily drop my life and work on it. Fuck Google. Don't piss me off, I'm bitter, determined and lifeless outside of code.

    1. Re:So, who wants to fork. by nurb432 · · Score: 2

      Oh, wait, you can just use Chromium and stop crying.

      For how much longer? You can fork but then it becomes yet another 3rd party browser, behind the 'official' one that you can no longer get features from, and might even get slapped down for "unauthorized 3rd party use of APIs"..

      --
      ---- Booth was a patriot ----
    2. Re:So, who wants to fork. by rroman · · Score: 2

      I don't mean to create flame war or something, but seriously, what aspects of Chrome are so good that Firefox can't match them? It used to be speed, but nowadays I would say that both browsers are pretty fast. In number of extensions, Firefox is the clear leader, so what is the reason?

    3. Re:So, who wants to fork. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Protecting Windows users from malicious extensions
      Thursday, November 07, 2013
      Extensions are a great way to enhance the browsing experience; whether users want to quickly post to social networks or to stay up to date with their favorite sports teams. Many services bundle useful companion extensions, which causes Chrome to ask whether you want to install them (or not). However, bad actors have abused this mechanism, bypassing the prompt to silently install malicious extensions that override browser settings and alter the user experience in undesired ways, such as replacing the New Tab Page without approval. In fact, this is a leading cause of complaints from our Windows users.

      from the chromium blog

  10. Non-issue by YodaDaCoda · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I suspect that this is less about blocking YouTube downloaders, and more about blocking those extensions that appear after not un-checking the box on programs downloaded and installed from the internet. I.e. it's more for the protection of grandma who wants to download a pretty solitaire app than it is for stopping little Johnny downloading his music videos of Miley. If you're smart enough to follow a few simple instructions and install a local extension, you're smart enough to follow a few simple instructions and install the Dev channel of Chrome first.

    1. Re:Non-issue by TubeSteak · · Score: 2

      If you're smart enough to follow a few simple instructions and install a local extension, you're smart enough to follow a few simple instructions and install the Dev channel of Chrome first.

      Oh God.
      You have no idea how much malware/malicious websites come with instructions on how to circumvent security measures.
      There are plenty of people who are just smart enough to follow instructions without fully understanding the consequence of their actions.

      --
      [Fuck Beta]
      o0t!
  11. Re:Or, of course extensions that google doesn't li by Sir_Sri · · Score: 4, Insightful

    mediahint, Hola, anything that lets you free VPN into services that you aren't really supposed to be able to access.

  12. Google Chrome add-ons not that popular by Animats · · Score: 2

    I have the same add-on available for both Google Chrome and Firefox. Firefox has about 100x as many users.

  13. Re:Or, of course extensions that google doesn't li by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Informative

    See Also: Google Chrome 25 will disable silent extension installation, kill all such extensions retroactively
    Friday, 21 Dec 2012

    Translation: Google still can't figure out how to secure Chrome from stealth installs of malware.

    --
    [Fuck Beta]
    o0t!
  14. Re:wtf google? by nurb432 · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/11/04/merging-of-google-voice-and-hangouts-will-result-shutting-down-all-3rd-party-voice-apps-in-may-2014/

    Yes, you can use a 3rd party VoIP app with a 3rd party provider, but having the Google integration was really nice. And how many will be free? Only ones i know of hook into Google voice .. all the rest are pay, so might as well keep using your cell minutes.

    --
    ---- Booth was a patriot ----
  15. Re:Or, of course extensions that google doesn't li by Cito · · Score: 2, Informative

    Adblock definitely not be available to chrome soon

    All adblock apps and addons were banned from google play store already.

    Firefox is only browser on android and desktop that will support adblock plugin soon.

    Plus they've realy exposed their hate of adblock on google groups forums

  16. Re:Or, of course extensions that google doesn't li by blueg3 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Adblock is on the Chrome Web Store.

  17. Re:Or, of course extensions that google doesn't li by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Informative

    If that were the motivation, would they not also do this on the Mac?

    This is about _fucking_ annoying windows malware repeatedly reinstalling chrome extensions.

    The fact that they are not breaking the capability on 'enterprise' policy installs suggests the same.

    Incidentally, even if you aren't on a domain, this should mean that it isn't exactly rocket surgery to install the 'blocked' Chrome extensions. Winkey+r, gpedit.msc, import the chromium policy templates, modify 'ExtensionInstallForcelist' to taste. Game over.

  18. Re:Or, of course extensions that google doesn't li by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Informative

    Came here to say this, it's all about the malware. Tons of malware apps use Chrome plugins.

    --
    "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  19. Welcome to the Google Walled Garden of evil by goombah99 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Google's catch phrase "don't be evil" reminds me of the famous Outerlimits Episode where the aliens come "TO serve Man", and it turns out that's the title of their cook book.

    So google walls its garden. The walls seem to be taller than apples. FOr example, try installing linux on a chromebook. Sure you can do it but every single time it falls asleep or boots the screen it says after wake"You are running in an insecure mode, press the space bar". If press the spacebar, it erases the hard drive and re-installs chrome from scratch. Thus it's practically impossible to run Linux in any stable way on a chrome book. Yes it runs, but it's like having a set of rotating knives permanently surrounding the on-off switch. They just don't want you to do this, while they want to take credit for having an "open" platform. ( by comparisons Apples are happy to boot to linux, no rotating knives thrust at you upon wake from sleep.)

    Now they crank down on the path you can use to install extensions.

    Google has become not only more severe than apple but they also sell all your private info.

      Google actually meant "Don't settle for being merely Evil".

    --
    Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
    1. Re:Welcome to the Google Walled Garden of evil by mjpollard · · Score: 2

      Minor correction: "To Serve Man" was an episode of The Twilight Zone, not The Outer Limits. (Fun fact: the main alien in that episode was played by Richard Kiel, better known as Jaws from the James Bond films "The Spy Who Loved Me" and "Moonraker.")

    2. Re:Welcome to the Google Walled Garden of evil by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      The walls seem to be taller than apples.

      Oh come on. They disabled a developer feature in the mainstream build but left it in the dev version. "Controversial" extensions like AdBlock are available on their official website. How is that worse than Apple?

      If press the spacebar, it erases the hard drive and re-installs chrome from scratch.

      Liar. There are further confirmation prompts, it doesn't just format your HDD the instant you press it. In fact you can completely remove the ChromeOS restore image if you want to, making restore only possible by downloading an image. All Google did was enable a security feature by default, a feature that most people will want and which is easily bypassed.

      FWIW Linus himself runs Linux on a Chromebook and uses it as his main development machine. Can't beat that high resolution 3:4 screen.

      They also make it easy to install an alternate OS on their phones and tablets, including Linux. Apple do everything in their power to prevent that.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    3. Re:Welcome to the Google Walled Garden of evil by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      On the other hand, let's not forget that Apple provides BootCamp and Windows drivers for their computers.

    4. Re:Welcome to the Google Walled Garden of evil by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Google provides the tools to install other operating systems too.

      --
      const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
  20. Re:The new Google motto is "Do no good". by ebno-10db · · Score: 2

    combined with "strategic" moves like this blocking of extensions, makes them look like nothing so much as a bunch of entitled sociopathic douche bags

    I think words like "disorganized" and "unreliable" would describe it better.

  21. Re:HTTPS Everywhere/EFF by Tr3vin · · Score: 2

    It will still be able to installed. The EFF also has it in the Chrome store.

  22. It was nice, Chrome by istartedi · · Score: 4, Funny

    It was nice, Chrome. Your scripting engine was fast. You hardly ever crashed. Your UI was pretty decent. I could even overlook some of your shortcomings. You were my first tabbed browser. I was actually willing to retrain my brain to quit using my OS's more universal process switching in defference to your tabbiness. We had some tough times closing the whole browser by accident when we really only wanted to close the page; but we worked through it. Your scripting engine was fast. You were young and sexy. It had to end though. I knew you wanted to pull me into your walled garden and make me mow every Saturday. I just wasn't ready for that kind of commitment. I know it's painful but I think we both realize it's time to move on. There's this other browser and, well... it's a fox.

    --
    For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
  23. Re:Or, of course extensions that google doesn't li by Severus+Snape · · Score: 5, Informative

    In the store. Google made some changes to Webkit a while back to improve Adblock, before Adblock used to still have to download the ads, then block them. Some changes Google made allowed the ads to be blocked before the ads were fetched.

  24. Re:Or, of course extensions that google doesn't li by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    Perhaps not... Apparently, I'm not too deeply versed in Windows technical arcana, but apparently some applications are configured by group policy indirectly (group policy changes the registry in the appropriate places, the application reads the registry in those places and acts accordingly) and some applications use an OS-provided API to query the applied group policies directly and apply those(exactly where the policies are stored in this instance is not clear to me. The domain controller presumably has them, in a networked environment; but where on the client they persist if it goes off the grid for a bit, or in the case of a locally managed machine, I don't know).

    As of version 28, (according to the thread in the above link, because of malware leading Chrome around by the nose through modifications of the registry entries), Chrome switched from the registry-based mechanism to the new mechanism. Modifications to the registry are now ignored, and only policies applied by the OS-supported group policy manipulation mechanisms will apply.

    I assume that these policies have to live somewhere, and thus can be edited (even if the OS protects them hard enough that you need a hex editor and a liveCD to do it); but it won't be a simple regedit.exe job.

  25. Re: Or, of course extensions that google doesn't l by behrooz0az · · Score: 5, Funny

    shushsh, the hosts file guy may hear you.

    --
    Moderating "-1, Disagree" is simple censorship. Have the guts to post your opinion. -- Spazmania (174582)
  26. Re: Or, of course extensions that google doesn't l by dyingtolive · · Score: 4, Funny

    Or edit your HOSTS file...

    --
    Support the EFF and Creative Commons. The war is coming, and they're supporting you...
  27. Re:Or, of course extensions that google doesn't li by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    Firefox is only browser on android and desktop that will support adblock plugin soon.

    Mac Safari has AdBlock as well.

    --
    #DeleteChrome
  28. Re:Or, of course extensions that google doesn't li by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If they were planning to do that they would have started by removing all the existing extensions on their web store that let you do those things. You can install numerous YouTube downloaders, proxy managers, ad blockers etc. and the same goes for Play (Android apps).

    This move is simply to block malware.

    --
    const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
    SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
  29. Re:Or, of course extensions that google doesn't li by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

    AdBlock Plus for Chrome, from the official Google site: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/adblock-plus/cfhdojbkjhnklbpkdaibdccddilifddb?utm_source=chrome-ntp-icon

    There are many other ad blockers available on there too. If you are going to lie you should at least think of something that isn't so trivially easy to disprove.

    --
    const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
    SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
  30. Re: Or, of course extensions that google doesn't l by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 2

    Well, potentially, because you want a consistent experience across devices, via settings, bookmarks, history etc via Firefox Sync.

    I've never used it personally (tin-foil hat...)

  31. Re:Or, of course extensions that google doesn't li by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    Did you read the thread I linked to?

    It's roughly 50% Windows admins whose GPO-fu is weak bitching because their registry hacks don't work anymore, and 50% Chromium developers telling them that, yes, sorry, Chrome queries group policy state directly, only falling back to the registry under specific conditions (and noting that they make no assurance that that fallback will continue in the future.)

    If that isn't enough, try a look at 'policy_loader_win.h'. It's fairly clear about reading the registry, rather than grovelling through the policies directly, is a fallback behavior that occurs only if grovelling through the policies doesn't work out.