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MPAA Backs Anti-Piracy Curriculum For Elementary School Students

An anonymous reader writes "A number of groups, including the MPAA, are pushing to educate elementary school kids about the dangers of piracy. From the article: 'A nonprofit group called the Center for Copyright Information, which is supported by the MPAA and other groups, has commissioned a school curriculum to teach elementary-age children about the value of copyrights. The proposed curriculum is still in draft stage, but it's already taking flak. Some critics say the curriculum promotes the biased agenda of Hollywood studios and music labels. Others contend it would use up valuable classroom time when U.S. public schools are already struggling to teach the basics.'"

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  1. Looks like yet-another dupe by TheNastyInThePasty · · Score: 2, Funny
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    1. Re:Looks like yet-another dupe by Megane · · Score: 5, Funny

      Submitter must have pirated the previous submission!

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    2. Re:Looks like yet-another dupe by harvestsun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is honestly the worst series of articles I've ever seen in a single day on Slashdot.
      A dupe, a movie advertisement, and 2 things which aren't even news.

    3. Re:Looks like yet-another dupe by Runaway1956 · · Score: 2

      Hey - a good brainwashing campaign requires a lot of duplicated effort!

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    4. Re:Looks like yet-another dupe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      You must be new here.

  2. Godwinned in One Post by ScottCooperDotNet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The Nazis also pushed for youth indoctrination to attempt to create generations of followers. Glad DARE and MAFIAA learned the lesson.

    1. Re:Godwinned in One Post by 0123456 · · Score: 2

      The Prussians invented the modern school system for indoctrinating kids, and most Western nations copied it.

    2. Re:Godwinned in One Post by Joining+Yet+Again · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It all starts with a pledge of allegiance...

    3. Re:Godwinned in One Post by Stormwatch · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Which started as a marketing ploy to sell flags.

    4. Re:Godwinned in One Post by Barefoot+Monkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've heard about the pledge of allegiance. That's just plain creepy.

    5. Re:Godwinned in One Post by wbr1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I pledge allegiance, to the flag, of the corporate States of America. And to the studios for which it stands. One copy, under law, with DRM and Miley for all.

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    6. Re:Godwinned in One Post by reve_etrange · · Score: 2

      The DARE lesson is a little bit different. Students who had gone through the program were found to be more likely to try drugs, but also more likely to use them responsibly.

      TPTB prefer ignorance to (failed) indoctrination.

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    7. Re:Godwinned in One Post by interkin3tic · · Score: 2

      They teach it to you before they teach you what allegiance actually means. You say it every day without knowing what you are saying. I think I was in fourth grade when I finally understood that I was making a fairly big (if vague) promise. Creepy is pretty accurate.

  3. Biased by neghvar1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course we all know this will be biased. Piracy funds terrorism, illegal drugs, crime and violence.

    1. Re:Biased by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      Of course we all know this will be biased. Piracy funds terrorism, illegal drugs, crime and violence.

      Have they made any adjustments to the party line to deal with the fact that the economics of buying dodgy DVDs from some bloke down the pub and just torrenting everything are really quite dissimilar (and, indeed, likely direct rivals)?

      It isn't rocket surgery to suspect, or even find the occasional confirmation in stories about some arrest, that people who deal in commodities that command a markup because they incur legal exposure will also deal in illicit media copies, since those are a commodity that commands a markup because it incurs legal exposure; but that flavor of skeezy vendor is probably the first against the wall when the ubiquitous online piracy starts up, since they offer none of the benefits of licit vendors and still cost considerably more than just downloading stuff.

      Surely they have some heartbreaking story about the destruction of American Jobs and whatnot that covers the latter case?

    2. Re:Biased by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Insightful

      also lead to mass layoff and unemployment and be the direct cause of the next great depression.

      Hey, now, this is Slashdot; I'm sure, with our collective intellect, we could come up with a rationale explaining how media piracy is directly responsible for smallpox and the Holocaust.

      At least, one equally as convincing as any argument the MPAA has made thus far; admittedly, it's really an easy task when you consider the fact we're talking about a group of people who once claimed to have lost more revenue to piracy than the combined GDP of the entire planet. Ridiculous is their bread-and-butter.

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    3. Re:Biased by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

      Can't be bothered to follow through, but for Hitler, the fact that he was an artist and a pirate (he drew Disney characters) mean that it's a pretty easy one with a bit of work. Smallpox is a pretty tough one, unless we roll with the fact that smallpox spreads p2p like a torrent.

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    4. Re:Biased by bzipitidoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Justification-- for downloading? No, you have it backwards. Natural law is the justification. Copying should not be a crime, copying should be encouraged because it is good for us all. Rather, those who seek to block us all from using our technology are the ones who should justify their position.

      We've all heard their justifications. They claim that poor starving artists can't make money without copyright, that copyright is the only way or only fair way to compensate artists. They are wrong. How can they ask that we all forego the enormous flowering of cooperation and culture that the Internet, computers, hard drives, writable optical media, and flash drives has made possible? We could have the entire Library of Congress online, for free downloading, without risking a single precious physical copy. We could have research that we already paid for freely available. That perhaps is the most galling of all, that these thieves of our most valuable works, works of science that are important for our future and which we already pay for through grants, really believe they should have the right to lock it all away behind paywalls.

      You should also recall their history. The media moguls fought the player piano, AM radio, cassette tape, VCR, and DAT, to name a few of the big ones. Their business grew despite the losses they suffered. No, these guys have shown that they aren't friends of art and artists, they are public enemies seeking control and rent monies that they do not deserve.

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  4. Education? by IonOtter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I respectfully submit a request to change the tag on this story from "education" to "indoctrination".

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    1. Re:Education? by Nerdfest · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Education would have at least some mention about the public domain and its advantages, and the fact that copyright is a privilege, not a right.

    2. Re:Education? by Confusedent · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Due to funding issues, critical thinking has been cut from the curriculum.

    3. Re:Education? by penix1 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Education would have at least some mention about the public domain and its advantages, and the fact that copyright is a privilege, not a right.

      I am probably going to draw flack for this but WTF, here we go...

      Article 1 Section 8 Clause 8 of the US Constitution makes it a right in the US. Besides that, let's play Devil's advocate here for a while:

      Tell me just how an artist or distributor of content is supposed to make a living regardless of the length of time given for the "limited time" as listed in the Constitution? Right now, things are showing up on the illegal sites even before they are officially released by the rightful owner. Just how do you overcome that? Look at software piracy for example, as soon as a vendor of a popular program (think Photoshop) makes a new version, it is usually up at the torrent sites at most 2 days after initial release and sometimes before initial release. So just how are they to reap the benefits of their work when the next day it is being distributed with no benefits being returned?

      Don't get me wrong, I do think the term of copyrights are too long. I also think the public domain is getting the shaft. But given that they can't win in today's connected world, just what is the solution? You see many here bitching about copyrights and the "old business model failure" but no proposals for how to realize benefit out of your hard work. Because you see, regardless of what you think as you download that pre-release program, it still boils down to putting food on the table for those making it to begin with.

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    4. Re:Education? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Aaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnddddd, none of this is relevant to letting the MPAA or any other group access to school curriculum.
      If these fuckers can get access, who else already has?

    5. Re:Education? by penix1 · · Score: 2

      Price fairly,

      How do you price fairly to beat free?

      make things available early

      Again, how do you beat those that make it available even before you do as I outlined above.

      Make it easy for people to do the right thing.

      Doing the right thing involves education to know right from wrong. Circumstances can override that education such as the ease it is in getting the content with little to no repercussions for doing the wrong thing.

      Remember that pirated copies are almost never lost sales

      Agreed, however they are a dent to your ability to realize sales absent the illegal activity. In short, although they can't be counted as sales lost it can be argued that at least some of those that pirated would have purchased it legally had the illegal avenue not existed.

      Maybe in the future, things like crowd-funded software and open-source will take over if it isn't profitable enough.

      Ah, but open source software relies on the very same copyright laws to exist. Absent copyright, or more importantly, copyright enforcement, open source itself couldn't exist. Crowd-funded seems more realistic to me to overcome that.

      same for entertainment. Perhaps live theatre will make a comeback.

      It has been a while since I have seen a live theater show. We have them in town from time to time. Worth seeing but it lacks the special effects that draws the younger crowd to the theaters to begin with. Who knows though...

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  5. Good on them. by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Movie execs need their private jets, blow, and hookers to relax after a hard day of not paying taxes and buying congress people.

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    1. Re:Good on them. by sconeu · · Score: 2

      I'm glad that the MPAA is proposing a curriculum about respecting the rights of artists.

      I suggest they start with Art Buchwald.

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    2. Re:Good on them. by asylumx · · Score: 3

      Buying congress people doesn't count as giving money to the government?

  6. Remember Kids... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It isn't nice to share your toys, you're stealing money that the toy manufacturers deserve when your friend Johnny doesn't buy his own toy!

    CAPTCHA: Retail

  7. Oy, be good consumers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We don't teach our children to think, we teach them to consume.

    1. Re:Oy, be good consumers by Joining+Yet+Again · · Score: 2

      You teach anyone those things, they'll become socialists.

  8. DARE by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is just like the pharmaceutical industry funding D.A.R.E..

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  9. Re:Piracy makes more sense if stuff is worth money by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Agreed.

    Copyright keeps culture "hostage". No one is allowed to enjoy unless they pay-to-play. Short-term profit over long-term benefits to society.

  10. Think of the children by HeckRuler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    oh come on! Think of the poor MPAA losing their shirt just because times change. And hey, if schools are having troubles right now, they're sitting on a MOTHERLOAD of a profitable resource: A captive and impressionable audience. I'm sure the MPAA would be willing to part with a few dollars to have a SIMPLE and PRODUCTIVE message sent to our youths.

    And why stop there? I'm sure that ExxonMobile would be willing to donate to our children's future and supply a brief explanation of the benefits of fracking. Halliburton would be able to give an up-close and insightful description of political issues to bolster their social science awareness. Microsoft would be able to explain what all happens when you agree to those complicated EULAs. They could also comment on the importance of sharing, caring, and litigating anyone who dares do it with your toys. Monsanto would do wonders in the biology class.

    Just think of the possibilities.

    1. Re:Think of the children by runeghost · · Score: 2
  11. You what? by StoneyMahoney · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If I'm understanding this correctly, the music labels are now resorting to re-educating future generations in a futile attempt to protect their obsolete business models. Their meddling with the legal system, constant redefinition of copyright terms and heavy-handed persecution of those they see as "offenders" have, as predicted by everyone except them, done nothing to prevent people doing what human beings have loved to do with audible culture for millennia - sharing it. These idiots probably see this as a good idea. What next? Selectively assigning breeding privileges to the population based on an exam paper sponsored by the Corporate Overloads of America to ensure your opinions conform to our scientifically proven CorrectThink(TM)?

  12. Give Credit," "It's Great to Create,"ECT the RIAA by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    Give Credit," "It's Great to Create,"ECT the RIAA tells the artests that but uses a lot of loop holes and Hollywood book keeping to not pay them.

  13. I teach... by flogger · · Score: 2

    I dare the administration to tell me I have to teach this curriculum to my students. I'll give my own slant on it and end up teaching anonymous proxy, torrents, ripping, you name it...

    Actually as common core, students have to work more with media. As a result we are ripping DVDs and cds and editing these to meet some educational goals... I am sure that is against their curricula.
    bastards. (*IAA, not the students, this time.)

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    1. Re:I teach... by mwvdlee · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Following these detailed instructions on how to setup an anonymous proxy and access these warez sites is bad, m'kay".

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    2. Re:I teach... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      Are your principles worth more to your than your career?

    3. Re:I teach... by fido_dogstoyevsky · · Score: 2

      Are your principles worth more to your than your career?

      - In reply to "I dare the administration to tell me I have to teach this curriculum to my students. I'll give my own slant on it and end up teaching anonymous proxy, torrents, ripping, you name it..."

      If they really are a teacher - yes (it's part of the job description).

      But there's no need to concentrate on "anonymous proxy, torrents, ripping, you name it...", although they merit discussion - I'd just spend time on the public domain and how copyright can be, has been and is being used to steal from society.

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  14. Fair and balanced only by WillyWanker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    As long as I can form a coalition that gets equal time promoting piracy and clearly exposes the Hollywood MAFIAA for what it really is I have no problem with this.

    Otherwise it's essentially Nazi-style propaganda, which has no place in our schools. Sorry MAFIAA, but no.

  15. Fabulous idea! by onyxruby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why don't we start with the fact that Hollywood was founded as it was about as far from New York and their IP laws about the movie industry as you could get in those days? Let's make sure we cover the theft of material from the public domain for corporate use too.

    Don't forget to cover the MPAA's own history of corruption. The RIAA should not be forgotten either, they have a long history of ripping of artists and we need to make sure we educate people on that. We should have a special section on Hollywood accounting that covers how you have a billion dollar blockbuster that costs $100 million to make and officially loses money. Make sure that we cover how this works in the music industry too.

    I also think it is important that people are educated on all of their rights that have been trampled and attempted to be circumvented by the **AA's and their like kind organizations overseas. By all means we should show the **AA's support of taking away your rights for a fair trial if your accused of copyright infringement. Don't forget to educate people on treaties and what they have done to take away your rights by treaty.

    Don't forget to cover public domain and the history of extending how long something will last before being put into public domain. We also need to show how this has changed over the years. Libraries, those bastions of piracy! They have the audacity to lend IP without people paying for them fresh every single time, let's make sure we cover the history of trying to shut down libraries abilities to do lend things.

    Anything else that we should educate people on?

  16. Two birds with one stone: by SolitaryMan · · Score: 2

    Teach them copyright law and use it as a proof of Intelligent Design.

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  17. Re:Piracy makes more sense if stuff is worth money by almitydave · · Score: 2

    My own personal idea is that copyright/patents should only last like 5-7 years, then everything is in public domain. This way the old guard could still keep plugging on to a degree.

    Although I agree that the current copyright term is ridiculously long, effectively preventing any work from being open to the culture that created it, I think 5-7 years may be a little short. I've wondered about an automatic 14 year term for all works (like current automatic copyright), plus a 14-year extension for $$$$, for 28 years max. These numbers are based on an older copyright term, but are still basically arbitrary. You want to strike a balance between culture having free access to art in a timely manner, and protecting the ability of the artists to profit from their work. How long is too long? How long is long enough?

    I would guess that the minimum length should be generally long enough for a producer of art to recoup the costs of production, but this may vary considerably by medium. GTA V made its budget back in what, 12 hours?

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  18. Demand an Opt-Out Option by Carcass666 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Religious people can opt-out their children when it comes to evolution and sex-education. Seems only fair that parents get the option to opt their children out of this unabashed intrusion of the classroom by media corporations. From an economic educational standpoint, I don't want my kids learning that having the right political connections can be used to compensate for a broken business model.

  19. Great idea by mwvdlee · · Score: 2, Informative

    Great idea... as long as it's objective and based on science.

    You know... explaining how copyright once just lasted only a handfull of years and how downloading movies and music doesn't actually hurt sales.
    Perhaps the kids should also be educated in the danger giving up your privacy to phone-home Digital Restriction Management, how companies steal control over your computer just because you want to play a CD and how they no longer actually own the things they buy in a store.

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  20. Re:Piracy makes more sense if stuff is worth money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah, the words of a man who became a multi-millionnaire many times over really make me appreciate how everything should be equal and no-one should profit from the system!

  21. Surely not in PUBLIC schools!!??!! by ChromaticDragon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How in the WORLD is advertising and propaganda being placed directly in public school curriculum?

    I am sure this is not the first time propaganda has been pushed through elementary schools. There are tons of examples in various countries and regimes. And since it's that time of year again, let's tip our hats to the incredibly successful disinformation campaign of the Daughters of the American Revolution in creating our wonderful American Thanksgiving mythology (among many other similar myths).

    Did I miss the nationwide campaign for elementary school level curriculum on the dangers of smoking? I seem to remember that being a part of Health in junior high... where you'd sort of expect it. If this followed that pattern, I'd expect to see this in within a class on Government in High School where patents, trademarks and copyright were debated alongside a treatment of historical patterns of dying industries using laws/regulations to postpone their demise rather than adapting.

  22. Re:Schools Teaching Morality by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Why would you lump absolutely critical sex-ed, and accurate info on climate change in with an absurd piracy lesson? Do you identify with the ignorant religious conservatives?

    Sex-ed isn't a moral lesson, it's a biology lesson. The people trying to remove it from schools, or make it a "moral" lesson, are generally totally unethical religious crazies who want to deprive kids of accurate info. The same folks want to put their superstitions in science class. We all have an obligation to never let religious extremists limit education. People who can't handle reality should not be passing along their dysfunction to the next generation.

  23. Waste of time by Hamsterdan · · Score: 2

    Teach kids how to read and write properly. Teach them to do math without a calculator. Geography, general culture, the works.

    Your / You're
    Would of
    Its / It's

    Heck, it's not even my native langage and it hurts my brain the way people write today...

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  24. Re:Piracy makes more sense if stuff is worth money by maharvey · · Score: 2

    Easy. You get copyright on the new derived work you produce. The older work you based it on expires normally.

    So with Blade Runner, after 14 years anyone can produce a 'Directors Cut' and each producer will own a 14 year copyright on their Directors Cut. As long as you can keep producing these and selling them you can keep the money flowing in and keep something copyrighted. If you slack off or run out of ideas, the gravy train ends. But either way, the public gets the use of the original.

    Don't want the public to have it? Keep it as a trade secret and don't let anyone ever see it. Want to hold onto Mickey Mouse? Treat it as a trademark, not a copyright.

    There is no reason the law needs be be longer than a paragraph. Keep it simple and rational. (Oh wait, this is the federal puppet government we're talking about... nevermind...)

  25. The MPAA is going to teach MORALITY? by maharvey · · Score: 2

    LMAO!

  26. Marxism was a disaster ! by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2

    Capitalism was a fun experiment

    Capitalism is not fool-proof.

    Capitalism has a lot of faults in it

    But compare Capitalism to Marxism, Capitalism still wins hands down

    I am saying this based on my own experience - I was from a very Marxist-oriented country and the country turned from bad to worse under Marxism

    Decades later, after that country started to adopt Capitalism, things began to start picking up

    Now that country has the world's 2nd largest GDP

    Yes, that country was China - and yes, I was from China - and please don't tell me how bad Capitalism is, because I can easily retort with real life disastrous examples of Marxism

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  27. Re:Piracy makes more sense if stuff is worth money by Bert64 · · Score: 3, Informative

    The problem is that the current system is tilted so heavily in favor of the distributors... The consumers get totally shafted, and often the initial producers do too.

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  28. Re:Schools Teaching Morality by Joining+Yet+Again · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If there's one set of people I'm glad I didn't learn all my morality from, it's my parents.

    I mean, some things they taught were brilliant. But a lot of what was going round in their heads... oh boy, anyone would think they were just a pair of average humans.

  29. Can you hear me running? by tepples · · Score: 2

    It all starts with a pledge of allegiance...

    ...to the flag? Michael Jackson makes me gag. Used to play with little toys till he played with little boys. Pepsi-Cola burned him up; now he's selling 7 Up. 7 Up made him shit; now he's saying Coke is it.

    ... to the flag, whatever flag they offer? Never hint at what you really feel. Teach the children quietly, for some day sons and daughters will rise up and fight while we stood still.

    There are plenty of ways to passive-aggressively protest state worship.