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Military Drone Lost Over Lake Ontario

First time accepted submitter slipped_bit writes "An MQ-9 Reaper drone has gone down over Lake Ontario during a practice mission. The flight, being operated by the New York Air National Guard's 174th Attack Wing in Syracuse, NY, was going well for about three hours before contact with the aircraft was lost. A search was started but had to be postponed due to weather."

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  1. Let me be the First to Say... by avgjoe62 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Blame Canada!

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    1. Re:Let me be the First to Say... by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Is that what Brian Boitano would do? Or would he drink Canada Dry?

      The interesting thing about using the drones domestically is that it will be harder to cover up these accidents the way they can overseas as classified information. Now we might see how reliable or not they are, and if they are really being used more than once before they wreck.

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    2. Re:Let me be the First to Say... by DragonTHC · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Honestly, who gives a shit. They were designed to be lost.

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    3. Re:Let me be the First to Say... by arthurpaliden · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well it is nice to know that my EMP gun works.

    4. Re:Let me be the First to Say... by stormpunk · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wouldn't that make it a lot easier to find?

    5. Re:Let me be the First to Say... by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Funny

      Maybe it went rouge!!!

      Colored its cheeks, then crashed itself out of pure embarrassment?

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    6. Re:Let me be the First to Say... by myowntrueself · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe it went rouge!!!

      Colored its cheeks, then crashed itself out of pure embarrassment?

      Or working the streets, turning tricks to make money.

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    7. Re:Let me be the First to Say... by hawguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Honestly, who gives a shit. They were designed to be lost.

      At $17M each, you'd think they'd be designed to *not* be lost. How many $17M "designed to be lost" drones can we afford to send on one-way missions?

    8. Re:Let me be the First to Say... by cusco · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Anyone who gives a shit about Lake Ontario. If the thing was lost after three hours of operation it still has most of its fuel load.

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    9. Re:Let me be the First to Say... by peragrin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      do you know how much a cruise missile costs? $500,000 to $2 million depending on "features and optional extras"

      $17 million is literally chump change to the us military i am almost surprised they wasted time looking at all.

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    10. Re:Let me be the First to Say... by couchslug · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Quite a few compared to manned aircraft, and remember loss rates will go down as systems mature. The loss rate for prop jobs and early jet fighters was spectacular back in The Day.

      When things with wings go down it's news, which is why you are reading it here. When tens of thousands of people die in motor vehicle accidents it's not even interesting.

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  2. In other news... by girlintraining · · Score: 5, Funny

    In other news, Iran took credit for the downing of this drone as well, saying they have already begun disassembling it and that 'Murica should be very afraid. Pictures have already appeared on the internet of Iranians holding cans of Ginger Ale and eating pancakes, showing their cunning ability to blend in with the indigenous population in order to get close enough to strike at the very heart of the imperialist dogs!

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    1. Re:In other news... by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 4, Informative

      No, they just executed 80 people for watching the news at 11.

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    2. Re:In other news... by M.+Baranczak · · Score: 5, Informative

      Nonsense. The drone just hit a deer. Everyone in upstate NY does it sooner or later.

  3. Rob Ford shot it down with a stream of bile by sandbagger · · Score: 4, Funny

    Newsflash on CBC.

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  4. So, those drone-hunting licenses finally paid off by crepe-boy · · Score: 5, Funny
  5. Re:Forgive My Ignorance by Deadstick · · Score: 4, Informative

    Guard units have a nicely dovetailed dual role. Most of the time they act as reserve squadrons for the Air Force, and can be deployed overseas. The rest of the time, their ground organizational structure, which ordinarily keeps their aircraft and crews ready to go, can be mobilized on a moment's notice to deal with local disasters.

  6. Re:Forgive My Ignorance by Guppy06 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The National Guard is simultaneously both a state militia and federal reserve force, with Uncle Sam getting priortiy. For all intents and purposes they are Air Force whenever the Pentagon wants them to be.

  7. Re:Forgive My Ignorance by realityimpaired · · Score: 3, Informative

    Clearly they're on to our plan to invade the US and reclaim Maine and the Alaska panhandle....

  8. Re:Bummer by damn_registrars · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I get my freshwater from there.

    Considering how close that is to a nuclear power station I think you might have bigger things to worry about than a military drone that went down in the lake.

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  9. Re:Finder's keepers! by z0idberg · · Score: 4, Funny

    Loses Reapers.

  10. Lets have some fun picking this apart. by s.petry · · Score: 4, Informative

    The drone was attached to the New York Air National Guard’s 174th Fighter Wing – the first fighter squadron to be converted from piloted F-16s to an all-drone force.

    Wait, what? An F-16 capable of carrying near 18,000 lbs of weapons and flying at mach 2+ is replaced by a drone flying at 240Mph carrying 3800lbs? Well, I'll be danged if someone in the DOD should not be fired for that decision. I could see it if they replace a squadron of A-10s with hundreds of these for close air support, but F-16s?

    There have been numerous previous crashes of Reaper drones. Drones are expected to see much wider civilian use in the United States when the first federal permits are issued, which is expected in 2015, and regulators are keenly examining such crashes as they develop safety guidelines. The international market for drones is also expanding.

    Okay, so they don't have a good safety record and we accept that since it's Defense. I'm good with this, but then they state...

    “I have quite a bit of confidence in the safety of the airplane,” he said. “If you compare it to other platforms or aircraft that are flown by the Air Force You’ll see that it’s a much safer platform.”

    So they have a higher crash record than any manned platform, no feedback for what is going wrong, yet somehow they are a "safer platform"? I guess that depends on what you are keeping safe. Pilots, okay. Tax money? Nope. Our borders? Nope, not that either.

    As long as they hype the drones, people ignore why we have those for "Defending our borders". The ANG role is the last line of defense against an invading air-force. Reapers and Predators can't shoot down a MIG or SU of any type. Seems like a huge conflict of interest to man the ANG with these.

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    1. Re:Lets have some fun picking this apart. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Are you really concerned about an invasion of the US mainland that will entail MIGs? You realize the cold war ended 25 years ago right?

      You also realize the cost of a drone verse the cost of an F-16 that will never be deployed? I think your complaints about tax dollars are a little skewed.

  11. Ogopogo by PPH · · Score: 3, Funny

    Flying in low over the lake, the last image captured was a tentacle reaching up .....

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  12. Re:Forgive My Ignorance by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It also serves to remind people of the idea that the U.S.A. is a group of united states. The Guard units really answer to the Governors and are each states' mini-armed forces, even if they are occasionally assigned to work with the federal armed forces.

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  13. The Wreck of the MQ-9 Reaper Drone by Nova+Express · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ontario, it is known
    Never gives up a drone
    When the winds of November come early

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  14. Re:So what by Biff+Stu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exactly my thought. If an F-22 went down over Lake Ontario on a training mission, we would have a dead pilot, and lost $150 million aircraft, which can't be replaced. The F-22 loss might have been noted on CNN, but certainly wouldn't have been /. worthy. So, here we lost a $12.5 million aircraft, which can be replaced, and nobody dies. Somehow, I doubt that the submitter and the /. editors are pro-drone, but I see this story and think that, to the extent that I actually give a shit, it makes an excellent argument for drones.

  15. Re:Forgive My Ignorance by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

    No way! We're first!

    We want to be invaded.

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  16. Re:Bummer by istartedi · · Score: 5, Funny

    Not to freak you out but.... 1. Fish defecation. 2. Aquatic bird defecation. 3. Guys on boats in the middle, nobody is looking. 4. Bilge. 5. Poorly maintained outboard motors. 6. Probably some truly horrendous stuff that didn't come to mind in the minute I took to type this while thinking about it.

    On your side, as they say, "The solution to pollution is dilution".

    If you like, you may think of your tap water as homeopathic drone.

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  17. Re:This one only "crashed" by Sarten-X · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And that's a good reason why they don't actually do such things often these days.

    1961 was in the middle of the Cold War. The armed B-52 was not in the air for practice - it was on an actual mission, waiting for the Soviets to strike first before it'd fly off to strike Soviet targets. Since there are no enemies today that have the Soviet's first-strike capability that we feared so much, there's no real need to keep live weapons in the air.

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