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NSA Wants To Reveal Its Secrets To Prevent Snowden From Revealing Them First

binarstu writes "According to a recent report by Tom Gjelten of NPR, 'NSA officials are bracing for more surveillance disclosures from the documents taken by former contractor Edward Snowden — and they want to get out in front of the story. ... With respect to other information held by Snowden and his allies but not yet publicized, the NSA is now considering a proactive release of some of the less sensitive material, to better manage the debate over its surveillance program.'"

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  1. Psyops at its finest. by starworks5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When you get to frame the issue the way you want, you can try to convince the people that it was for their own good. Snowden may likely say show that it was used abused in practice, and the NSA likely wants to say that they prevented a suspected domestic terrorist.

    1. Re:Psyops at its finest. by s.petry · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yup, this is exactly it. Unfortunately a whole lot of people don't think much about what we already know. The few that know and care won't be easily pacified by what the NSA starts releasing. We already know they lie, and anyone that trusts a liar is a fool.

      Personally, I think the damage control is not really needed. I guess it may be trying to push some people back down into slumber. The Obamacare fiasco shows just how far out of reality countless Americans really are. Don't get me wrong, people are waking up. I'm just not confident enough will be awake in time to prevent some very very bad things from happening in a very short time.

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    2. Re:Psyops at its finest. by icebike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly.

      I've been posting this prediction all along.

      They will own it in public statements, (or at least they will own part of it), and they will tell you to get over it. They will then go on to even bigger excesses and violations. They will attempt to have laws passed making encryption a crime (again).

      You haven't seen anything yet.

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    3. Re:Psyops at its finest. by Mitreya · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Snowden may likely say show that it was used abused in practice, and the NSA likely wants to say that they prevented a suspected domestic terrorist.

      NSA will also probably claim that they were going to release/review this material anyway, and Snowden just forced them to do it too early (thus jeopardizing security, etc, etc.)

      I found it fascinating when Obama made these claims -- that he was going to review and fix the entire NSA program any day now and that Snowden just forced him to do it in a rush instead of carefully.

    4. Re:Psyops at its finest. by boorack · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Given their record of factuality in their official statements this whole bruhaha about "openess" it is more likely to be lie. Given number of transgressions and laws broken by NSA we've seen in Snowden documents, they just can't release such things, so it is lie for sure. They only thing they propably want to achieve by this manipulation is to make whistleblowers' life harder. After all, despite of all bullshit and propaganda in corporate media citizenry is now behind Snowden. What they want is propably to have some leverage to explain to public that future whistleblowers' revelations are 'redundant', so they'll have public consent to prosecute or exterminate future whistleblowers and also journalists. This corresponds pretty well with latest law pushed by Feinstein that legalizes all NSA transgressions we've seen in latest months and mandates harsh penalties for both whistleblowers leaking inconvenient materials and journalists publishing such revelations. In short, Obama regime is now busy reinforcing its grip on what public should and shouldn't know.

    5. Re:Psyops at its finest. by Seumas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We want to reveal the lie before Snowden reveals the truth.

    6. Re:Psyops at its finest. by ultranova · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I found it fascinating when Obama made these claims -- that he was going to review and fix the entire NSA program any day now and that Snowden just forced him to do it in a rush instead of carefully.

      On the good side, he can now skip right to closing Guantanamo Bay.

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    7. Re:Psyops at its finest. by mean+pun · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think it's become clear that you can't believe anything Obama says. That's not "fascinating", it's deeply disturbing in the top executive of our government. The president is supposed to be boring, honest, and careful; instead, we got an activist and a liar.

      The last boring, honest, and careful president that the USA elected was Jimmy Carter, and look how popular he is. His successor was the opposite, and look how popular he is. It seems to me that the USA does not want boring, honest, and careful, it wants and gets flimflam artists.

      Yes, US policy is thoroughly corrupt because money talks in US elections. But why does this work? Because the US electorate wants their flimflam. They don't want honest and careful candidates, and certainly not boring ones. They want show and glitz and scandal and outrage. And the more money you have as a politician, the more flimflam you can serve up.

  2. Round 1: Fight by DrPBacon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Snowden Wins.

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    1. Re:Round 1: Fight by Zemran · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nah, they will do a Assange on him but with 10 year girls making the accusations this time and no one will ever be able to discuss what he said again. People will just talk about the accusation instead of the issue. If you look at the accusations they are so stupid but it whitewashed the whole Wikileaks issue. Same with Strauss Khan...

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  3. Credibility? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Would anyone actually believe anything the NSA has to say at this point?

  4. Openness by Tony+Isaac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Whether government openness happens because of a leaker, or it happens because of fear of leakers, or because it believes it's the right thing to do...the more open the government is about its activities, the better.

    1. Re:Openness by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      .the more open the government is about its activities, the better.

      Openness is good, yes. But what the NSA will release will be misdirection, dissembling, disingenuousness and lies.

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  5. So, they are acknowleging improper classification? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Either the information is too sensitive for the public to know, or it isn't. If it isn't, then it should have been public to begin with.

  6. First trivial information request for NSA by dbIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since they are releasing trivial information about themselves, how about this:
    What role did the NSA have in the piece of shit hatchet job movie on wikileaks that came out recently?

    If reality was anything like it people would have just told Assange to fuck off and wikileaks would never have happened. All the movie character has is dance moves and insomnia.

  7. What's really scary by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What really scares me isn't that the Americans themselves don't seem to care a lot. Europe has been a prime target of all this and even there the reaction is "meh". How many USA ambassadors have been summoned to explain and apologize? The USA has treated their allies worse than most of Europe would treat their enemies and still nothing came of this. It turns out Europe isn't that different after all....

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    1. Re:What's really scary by ImOuttaHere · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What really scares me isn't that the Americans themselves don't seem to care a lot.

      "Freedom" and "liberty" are abstract concepts to most Americans. The only thing "real" in their lives are their TV, cellphones, and the perception that "We're number ONE!" . They don't call it "programming" for nothing.

      Europe has been a prime target of all this and even there the reaction is "meh".

      Er... no. There are many responses to the NSA revelations. European business are actively moving away from using Goggle's and other US corporate services because they have confirmation that their data is not secure. European governments are dealing from a much stronger position on trade talks currently taking place. The citizens of Europe (well, at least the ones I've spoken with, and you really should listen to Radio France Info) are well aware of the issues of privacy and they are demanding their governments take action to secure their liberties and freedoms against US spying.

      How many USA ambassadors have been summoned to explain and apologize?

      US ambassadors have been called by France, Germany, Spain... um, should I continue? Or should I add the British ambassadors that have also been called?

      The USA has treated their allies worse than most of Europe would treat their enemies and still nothing came of this. It turns out Europe isn't that different after all....

      Huh? Really? Um... just to start... how about explaining how Europe's spy apparatus is structured and deployed and compare it against how the US, Israel, and China deploy theirs? It could make for an interesting study in contrasts and motivations. Then we could move onto how coordination between European and US spy agencies is pretty much on the rocks right now.

  8. Is Snowden any less than a patriot? by grasshoppa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    After all the material that's been leaked by Snowden, is there any question that the man is a patriot?

    So what does that make our government?

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  9. Re:Americans: NSA needs more oversight by erikkemperman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Funny thing about "oversight". On the one hand it means some mechanism to keep tabs on some process making sure it doesn't run amok. On the other hand it also means to neglect something.

    Seems to me the NSA oversight is more like the latter, except not by accident.

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  10. AKA a Limited Hangout properganda teqchnique by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Oh it can be pretty successful if done right. The NSA will little doubt start doing Limited Hangouts of information.

    A limited hangout, or partial hangout, is a public relations or propaganda technique that involves the release of previously hidden information in order to prevent a greater exposure of more important details.

    [sarcasm] By lucky coincidence [/sarcasm] the NSA are now allowed to go direct to the public with their message (see "'Anti-Propaganda' Ban Repealed... Direct Broadcasting at American Citizens"), not that private mass media was not on their side to begin with anyway.

    When journalists get around later to releasing Snowdens whistleblower material as a "full hangout" truth, most mass media will then shout LALALA OLD NEWS nothing to see here as loud as they can to drown it out. You might even see it being marked as a dupe here on /.

  11. Re:Americans: NSA needs more oversight by s.petry · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In both countries the governments own the media. More appropriately, the same people controlling the governments control the media. Neither place has had any type of reform, just discussions of reform which are being drowned out by other noise in the media.

    To the people pulling the strings, it's simply a waiting game. As we saw with Benghazi, Fast and Furious, etc.. nobody has been held accountable and the public is no longer thinking about those items. I have little confidence that enough people are awake to change that, and the same thing is being played against the anti-surveillance crowd. Unless we can change the messages from the media, nothing will change. Word of mouth is something that works, but is also very taxing on the people that are awake.

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