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FBI Reports US Agencies Hacked By Anonymous

Rambo Tribble writes "Reuters is reporting that the FBI has issued a warning to several U.S. Government agencies that the Anonymous collective has hacked their systems. Included in the list of compromised agencies are the U.S. Army, Department of Energy, Department of Health and Human Services, and potentially many more agencies. The avenue of attack: Adobe Cold Fusion."

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  1. Huh, that's surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought the only people left in Anonymous were FBI informants.

    1. Re:Huh, that's surprising by pieterh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The War on the Internet is as much about creating an environment of fear that will justify increased spending, as it is cracking down on the young smart kids who are the real threat to the corporate para-State.

      So it's fairly likely that the FBI/NSA and their legal or criminal subcontractors are heavily involved in any dramatic security-related event. The fact that government websites are targeted makes no difference. Simple little false flags that keep the pressure up on legislators.

      It's easy to mock all this but the threat to our digital lifestyle is real and serious. We're a few years away from a fully regulated Internet where if you don't conform -- by running approved hardware, approved software, approved monitoring -- you simply won't get access, period. Clipper chip, remember that?

      And the only way to convince the mass of "who cares?" public are a series of dramatic, dangerous, unacceptable attacks on websites, infrastructure, transport, etc.

    2. Re:Huh, that's surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was about to post something that would go line by line of your post arguing the usual things against conspiracies that I'd parrot from Skeptics like Michael Shermer.

      Then, I though about the latest events, the PATRIOT Act. the lobbying by big IT firms and defense contractors, and just the pathetic power hungriness and narcisism of our elected officials.

      So, I said to myself, "What the parent has suggested is completely probable in this day and age."

      It's not an individual super villian, but it is bunch of sociopathic people all working towards the same goal as stated in the parent's post. And they have the greatest weapon on Earth - people's irrational fear and desperation to feel safe.

      We are all fucked.

    3. Re:Huh, that's surprising by pieterh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's a dark irony in so-called skeptics pushing their own conspiracy theories (mysterious gangs hate our way of life) to muffle out the obvious truth that it's (always) all about the money.

      It's not only probable, it's by far the simplest explanation, that the military-security complex needs to create threats to justify its existence, so a handsome slice of its budget consistently goes back into black operations against the very people it's meant to be protecting. If you argue that only crooks would do this, then my question is, what evidence do you have that the FBI, CIA, NSA, GCHQ et al are not run by simple crooks?

      As for being pessimistic, it's a normal feeling but not useful. Read my book (free, see below) for a background into how this state of affairs came to be, and how to fix things.

    4. Re:Huh, that's surprising by pieterh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm impressed by the quality of your arguments. Wait, you didn't make any arguments, you were just rude and dismissive...

    5. Re:Huh, that's surprising by melikamp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can't shake off a feeling that the law enforcement and friendly news sources are using "Anonymous" as a boogeyman. When I see "Anonymous collective has hacked their systems", I read "Their systems were hacked. FBI has no leads". The law enforcement has finally found a perfect line for every situation where they demonstrate incompetence, since "anonymous" turns into "Anonymous" so easily.

    6. Re:Huh, that's surprising by Velex · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes... the NSA is going to assassinate Richard Stallman and Linus Torvalds

      That's not the point. If they did that, they'd lose a great deal of credibility, and I mean real credibility---the kind of credibility loss that wakes the people up, sparks real debate, and gets congress critters elected that really will defund this crap on a meaningful level. Of course they wouldn't do that.

      If I were going to compare the NSA to a character from The Matrix, I'd rather pick the Architecht. The Architecht is an interesting character because of his complete disinterest in how the goal of funneling bio-energy from the humans in the matrix to the machine city is accomplished as long as it's accomplished. In the same way, the NSA/FBI/CIA/TSA/DHS/OMG/WTF/BBQ seem to be in a role, domestically at least, of ensuring that a steady stream of tax revenue find its way to the military-industrial complex.

      The average person has absolutely no idea how web pages are served or what the infrastructure of the internet looks like beyond the physical of copper and fiber, and they have no idea how to gauge whether their sensitive, private data is being stored according to best practices or whether there are some serious concerns to be had. Sure, when somebody "breaks in" to a computer system and gains access to sensitive information, it's not right, but it's not always a crime either. Did the stewards of that information use best practiceses, was there a lapse and somebody forgot to lock a door behind them, or did they leave it out on the sidewalk with a giant "take one!" sign next to it? The public, at present, is completely unequipped to evaluate that, because networked computers are sufficiently advanced technology. They're indistinguishable from magic.

      That may not always be the case, and there's definitely room for improvement in primary education to include basic introductions to what constitutes information security and how the internet works.

      The point is that "hacking" is a scary thing to the public. If government websites are being hacked, there must be some very scary enemies out there, and it might even be an act of war. Our lifestyle might be under attack once again in the same way it was during the height the cold war.

      That's a very profitable thing for the military-industrial complex.

      The last thing they'd want is a public that, weary of over a decade of security theater, might actually question whether all the military spending is necessary, especially given national debt and budget deficits and the revelations that the NSA might not be making the best use of its funding, and start cutting that funding.

      (The argument of whether that would be effective or not in balancing budgets is beyond the scope of this post.)

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    7. Re:Huh, that's surprising by FriendlyLurker · · Score: 3, Interesting

      what evidence do you have that the FBI, CIA, NSA, GCHQ et al are not run by simple crooks?

      What, facilitating the sale hard drugs in America or selling military equipment on the black market to "axis of evil" type countries is not criminal enough? People forget the criminal history of some of these organizations rather quickly and seem to ignore the current ongoing continuation of the same. Guess that propaganda and a firm grip on the corporate mass media message reaching the majority just works. We have a serious amount of evidence that those organizations have committed egregious crimes, so the real question is: How do we know/guarantee that they are NO LONGER being run by criminals?

  2. oh so now we know by etash · · Score: 3, Funny

    who watches the watchers. it iz t3h 31337 h4x0rz t34m.

    i pity the fool

  3. We wuz hacked! by oldhack · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Now double our budget so we can counter them. And yeah, pass some laws against these terrorists.

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  4. "Hacked!"? by BringsApples · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Ok, I know what hacking is. But I hate how it's become a term that allows for future explanation(s). "We've been hacked!" is something that someone who knows what just happened, tells another person that hasn't got a clue, to tell the masses, while some story is created to eventually explain to the masses, or not at all.

    "An FBI Spokeswoman declined to elaborate"

    I mean to say, what the hell happened? "Being hacked" isn't a real thing. You're missing stuff, or you see that stuff was accessed, or you found some new shit that shouldn't be there... Why aren't they telling us? Could it be because they left something wide open, and cannot legally admit to that?

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    1. Re:"Hacked!"? by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Considering this is the FBI we're talking about, it's probably a bunch of people they managed to convince to snoop around in their wide-open honeypots. Just like the "terrorists" they arrest that were recruited, encouraged and even trained by them because one day someone happened to make a politically incorrect remark to a nearby agent. Government manufactures its own terrorists. Just like it prints its own money, causes its own social problems and creates its own wars. It's all a dog and pony show to keep you distracted while they pick your pocket.

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    2. Re:"Hacked!"? by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 2

      Quick look at ColdFusion vulnerabilities suggests this is probably a real hack. And they aren't saying because its not patched everywhere.
      You seem to imply that if details are not known, nothing of substance happened. Save your objections for when the details are known, and it is actually not a hack.
      Preemptive objections make you seem stupid.

    3. Re:"Hacked!"? by BringsApples · · Score: 2

      I am stupid. But your point is still moot. All I am pointing out is that there are no details, other than "HACKED!!" and not by regular "people" rather "HACKATIVISTS!!" No one is being charged with anything, and yet there is already a group of people named "Anonymous" that are being blamed. So yes, while you're correct that it does make the one who mentions it "stupid", I share this stupidity with the ones that are blaming a group of people that they do not name. AKA terrorists without a face.

      Sometimes I feel that they sell those masks just so a bunch of mad people will portray it as a reality, just so that they can then use them as a scapegoat.

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  5. Re:2,0000 bank accounts ? 2k or 20k by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Funny

    If European with the inverted comma/decimal system it could even be a very precise 2 bank accounts...

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  6. Or maybe it was the NSA... by Coditor · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... we can't tell.

  7. Re:2,0000 bank accounts ? 2k or 20k by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

    it could even be a very precise 2 bank accounts

    he must mean 'for large values of 2'

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  8. Ah, Adobe by mevets · · Score: 2

    Is there anything your software canâ(TM)t do?

    1. Re:Ah, Adobe by jones_supa · · Score: 4, Funny

      If something, at least Unicode is quite well supported in their products.

    2. Re:Ah, Adobe by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's a lot more than we can say about Slashdot.

  9. Re:Where's the oblig. XKCD? by steelfood · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Obligatory XKCD.

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  10. Re:Reap what you sow by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Choose your quotes a bit more carefully. Smith lost.

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  11. Exactly, and was it even Anonymous? by s.petry · · Score: 2

    It's not beyond these people to lie to achieve what they want. Hopefully I didn't even need to mention that, but I did just to be sure we were on the up and up here. Reading the article, there is nothing I can see to verify that this was in fact the work of Anonymous. Some things don't line up with the normal activities. This article not only spreads FUD for internet censorship and control, but FUD about activism/hactivism.

    From TFA, they first claim that anonymous used PDF exploits. Well, just about every botnet on the planet gets infected by some type of Trojan filled file. Anonymous is more well known for MITM attacks than trojaned files. Nothing convincing yet that it was anonymous.

    Then they claim that anonymous stole 2,0000 bank accounts. That on a Rueters article should be a dead give away that this potentially propaganda. It didn't make it through normal editing.

    The article does mention someone in the UK being indited on hacking into the US DOE, but then they lump everything else to that one person at anonymous. Maybe they have much more detail on proving that all of these hacks were anonymous and didn't show it. I'm not convinced by what was released here, and have not trusted these people to tell the truth for decades (amplified in the last few years).

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  12. Re:The U.S. government is hideously incompetent by gtall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Okay, let's zero out your expected take from SS and Medicare when you are too old to fund yourself. And while we're at it, it would be okay if Grandma moved in with you, right? Her meds only run a few thou a month, but that's a small price for you to pay to be freed of the Fed. Gov. Let's remove NiH, because you will never get cancer, contract a food born illness, or get nailed by the next pandemic. You'll let the mentally ill live with you, 'cause they'll need a place to stay. They usually need meds too.

    Let's also turn the world over to the Chinese because in 20 years, we'll be entirely self-sufficient and won't need any open trading partners. And while we're at it, lets get rid of NTSA and the FAA, you won't die in an airline accident because the airlines cut corners. Let's abolish the SEC, Wall Street and the Banks have your best interests at heart.

    And let's get rid of that awful FBI, if your father gets whacked, you won't need no stinking investigation as to whom did it. Come to think of it, we won't have to worry about young kids getting kidnapped because there will be no federal agency to track them down. They shouldn't have gotten their asses kidnapped in the first place. We also don't need the federal prison system, them guys can kip at your house right...be sure to keep your gun loaded and by your bedside, they tend to sleepwalk a bit.

  13. Re:The U.S. government is hideously incompetent by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 2

    "Stories like this" meaning flaws in Adobe products? I don't know the purpose of the attacked systems, so I can't say whether having the leaked data was appropriate, therefore extrapolation is not supported.
    Any way you look at it, your conclusion is at bestmisplaced, which is why you are modded as troll.

  14. Re:Sceptics turning a blind eye. by hoboroadie · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Follow the money. If that won't convince you then I posit that anyone foolish enough to use Adobe Vectorware is at least uninformed, and incompetent, if not fully complicit in the security fail.

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  15. Re: The U.S. government is hideously incompetent by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 2

    Healthcare in the US was broken before Obamacare. Below average outcomes, massive numbers of uninsured and world's highest costs. Thank you states and private industry.

    The fact is no country in the world has a working private healthcare system.

    Republican low-grade idiots trying to prevent reform were a large part of the reason Obamacare doesn't go nearly far enough towards fixing it. And of course massive efforts trying to sabotage the limited reform are making it even worse.

  16. This is a confirmation, not new news. by DontLickJesus · · Score: 2

    Anon reported back at the beginning of Operation Last Resort that they were already much more deeply entrenched in US government networks than anyone had found. This isn't a new revelation, it's an ongoing event.

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  17. Re: The U.S. government is hideously incompetent by tlambert · · Score: 3, Funny

    libtard

    You know that if you install it in the correct location, you can just use -ltard on the linkage line, rather than spelling it out like that, right?

  18. Just scrap Justice, Defense and the NSA by runeghost · · Score: 3

    A Justice department that claims it's getting hacked (to worrisome levels) by teenagers. A National Security Agency that spends hundreds of billions spying on the citizens it claims to be protecting while accomplishing nothing. A Defense Department whose specialty is fighting foreign wars badly, while shelling out trillions to contractors.

    It's well past the time where an honest government, or a real democracy, would say "enough failure" throw in the towel, and start again from scratch.

  19. Re:Anonymous should just announce a name change by garompeta · · Score: 2

    Anonymous is now Pseudonymous