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NSA Collect Gamers' Chats and Deploy Real-Life Agents Into WoW and Second Life

An anonymous reader writes in with news that some NSA agents were trying to dig up info by joining the horde. "To the National Security Agency analyst writing a briefing to his superiors, the situation was clear: their current surveillance efforts were lacking something. The agency's impressive arsenal of cable taps and sophisticated hacking attacks was not enough. What it really needed was a horde of undercover Orcs. That vision of spycraft sparked a concerted drive by the NSA and its UK sister agency GCHQ to infiltrate the massive communities playing online games, according to secret documents disclosed by whistleblower Edward Snowden.....The agencies, the documents show, have built mass-collection capabilities against the Xbox Live console network, which has more than 48 million players. Real-life agents have been deployed into virtual realms, from those Orc hordes in World of Warcraft to the human avatars of Second Life. There were attempts, too, to recruit potential informants from the games' tech-friendly users."

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  1. Well, of course. by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 5, Funny

    We've read recently that the NSA types are becoming disaffected by their jobs.

    So letting them play WoW on company time will help with that, eh?

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    1. Re:Well, of course. by i+kan+reed · · Score: 5, Interesting

      But more seriously, that disaffection that MMO players seem to exhibit in spades is one of the characteristics of al qeada era terrorists. Being middle class, disillusioned, Muslim, male, single, and approaching middle age is the basic profile of an ideal recruit to them.

    2. Re:Well, of course. by ememisya · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I am middle-class, disillusioned, Muslim, male, single and approaching middle age. Thankfully I don't play WoW, nor do I facebook, and exactly for these reasons. I got into a fight in highschool for being from Turkey during 9/11 because one kid decided to scream, "Turkey did it!", you know, they're all the same those brown bastards. Now I fear that guy might be employed by the pick-your-3-letter-agency, and no I'm not going to be like Yakov Smirnoff and walk around with a flag pin to show my patriotism, and I hope this insanity will stop before we reach the "burn a number on your skin" stage, I'm hoping even way before, lets round up all the Japanese stage.

  2. Sir! Sir! It's an emergency, sir! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    We have word that xXxNoScopezN00bKill3rxXx will dip his balls on the President at 21:00!

  3. SecondLife?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Good thing someone is watching over SecondLife. Maybe they can finally get enough data to fully explore the sexual proclivities of furries in an unconstrained environment.

  4. Everybody calm down!!! by jddeluxe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They're not infiltrating anything; some of the sharper razors there have scammed their PHB's into letting them play WoW all day and get paid for it....

    1. Re:Everybody calm down!!! by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think you mean:

      The actualized concept of a next-generation cloud-based synergistic teambuilding-as-a-service ad-hoc exercise correlates with the data previously acquired through empirical research regarding organizational executive judgement calls in relation to morale and outreach endeavors on an accelerated timeline.

      I've been working directly under C-level execs on and off for the past decade. It's not too obvious, is it?

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  5. Clever bastards by GrumpySteen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm generally opposed to the NSA's actions, but I have to admire the ones who were clever enough to talk their superiors into paying them to play WoW all day in the interests of national security.

  6. thank goodness by phoenix03 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now the government will know when Stormwind raids will take place.

  7. Great excuse to tell your mum by Bruce66423 · · Score: 5, Funny

    When she complains you're spending all your time in WoW, you can say you're trying to get a job with the NSA...

  8. Pathetic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The surveillance revelations so far have been scary, sinister, infuriating, offensive. But this one? This is just... sad.

    OK, bad guys could potentially use the in-game comms functions on X-Box live to plans their nefarious deeds, but do we really need to be paying teams of people to go into the games and play them all day long? If they really need to snoop on that shit (they don't) then couldn't they just hoover up all the conversations and analyse them offline like they do our emails, phone calls, texts etc? What additional benefit does having someone actually in the game world offer? Are they worried that somewhere out there a virtual ogre and elf controlled by kiddie-porn-terrorists are communicating in avatar sign language or something? This is fucking ridiculous.

    Our government is telling us they can't afford basic shit like hospitals and education and welfare, but they can afford to pay dorks to play Xbox all fucking day. I get the feeling some very ballsy gamer put together a presentation to get paid taxpayers' money for playing CoD all day long and hit the jackpot. If there was any justice on this fucking planet we'd all be knee deep in fired "intelligence" agents months ago.

  9. Rubbish by s.petry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you were a terrorist organization, you would play a video game where chats are monitored by the company as a rule? No you would not. Monitoring text is clearly in the EULA of these games, and private chats are logged just like group/party, raid, etc.. chats are logged. If you truly believe in this fantasy of propaganda please go visit your local mental health professional and request medication immediately.

    Now if you were asking "Are some corrupt fuckers in a 3 letter agency advocating that agents try to recruit people on these MMO sites?" my reply would be different. Sure they would. Numerous 3 letter agencies have made it a habit of trolling forums and Facebook looking for patsies. They even found a few of them and gave them everything they needed including targets so that they could heroically save the day by busting the patsy at the scene of the crime with fake explosives that the agency provided. I don't put any shitty tactics beyond these people at this point.

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    1. Re:Rubbish by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you were a terrorist organization, you would...

      If I were a terrorist organization I would download on of the dozens of free encryption programs on the web and USE IT. Even a zip file with a long password would do the job.

      Any belief that the NSA is catching real, dangerous terrorists with all their spying is fucking stupid. The same goes for the TSA. The only reason nobody's shooting random people or blowing stuff up all over the place is because nobody wants it badly enough. If they did, well, look at what happened in Boston...

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    2. Re:Rubbish by TheCarp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > The only reason nobody's shooting random people or blowing stuff up all over the place is because
      > nobody wants it badly enough. If they did, well, look at what happened in Boston...

      Exactly. Hell I was just hearing on NPR about a refugee camp where "home made rifles" were found. How hard is it to get a tank of propane or a sack of flour? How hard is it to get gasoline, sulfuric acid, or nitrate containing soil? Point is, if people want weapons they can and will make them, no matter what you try to do to stop them.

      anybody who is in touch with the world enough to be able to read, do math, and generally solve problems and make plans can put together his own weapons of some sort, including bombs. There are plenty of examples of people who did it (many of whom were not even terrorists and didn't hurt anyone; if not most, since there are more teenagers living in the sticks with fuck all to do than there are terrorists)

      So where does that leave us? If most teenagers who really set their mind to it could come up with a way to blow shit up, why is it shit isn't blowing up for the most part? Why do we not have bedlam?

      There really is only that one answer.

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  10. Of course by Runaway1956 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course the intelligence community is going to leak such a story, or ten, or a thousand. They want us to believe that they are actually catching terrorists, and they want us to believe that all they money they are pissing away is well spent. So, they'll tell us that they are catching Al Queda terrorists on WoW, and all the other gaming worlds.

    I certainly hope that they have infiltrated the online doll makers and doll costume crowd. I know of at least one red headed Pagan who frequents those sites. That woman is a holy terror, and God knows what kind of people she associates with!

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    1. Re:Of course by VortexCortex · · Score: 5, Informative

      You offer scoffing and snark, not insight. Or is it just a failure of imagination?

      It's correct to scoff at folks who are scared of Terrorists. You're insinuating that terrorists are nothing to sneeze at, but The Flu Kills Six Times more people EVERY YEAR than a 9/11 attack. Cars and Cheeseburgers kill FOUR HUNDRED TIMES more people than a 9/11 scale attack. You're OK with pissing away taxes to have government agents protect us from WOW playing terrorists? Come the fuck on, man. You sound fucking hysterical and moronic to boot. Do you want to ask permission from a TSA agent before you're allowed to dial the phone? Do you want a DHS employee riding with you in your car, and tossing out your French fries to "protect" you? No. It's been over a decade since 9/11... The cost of our freedom and privacy spent by the NSA is far too much just to "protect" us from something that's one 4000th of the threat encountered on a trip to McDonalds.

      So fucking what if in-game currency is used to to channel funds. The threat is fucking pathetic compared to even the greater threat of falling down in the bathtub.

    2. Re:Of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      What's the difference between a cow and 9/11? You stop milking a cow after a few years.

  11. Meh, no surprise by cold+fjord · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Games could serve multiple purposes: out of band communications (i.e. not phone, email, or mail), rehearsals, and recreation. Since the Caliphate is going to be a while in coming they have some time to kill.

    I don't think there is any surprise that WoW or similar games would have broad appeal, even among terrorists. After all, the Harry Potter books have been among the most popular reading for inmates at Guantanamo Bay.

    What Prisoners Are Reading at Gitmo

    ... Harry Potter. He may not come riding in on the back of a hippogriff to free his favorite captives from their own version of Azkaban, but he shows up once a week on a cart of books from the prison library, offering an escape of the imagination treasured by many. Indeed, the Harry Potter series has been one the most popular titles among the 18,000 books, magazines, DVDs and newspapers on offer from the prison library at Guantánamo.

    Other offerings in the library started in 2003 include the The Lord of the Rings trilogy, the Twilight series and a self-help book called Don't Be Sad. Prisoners don't browse the shelves of this particular library; instead, they wait for a weekly visit by a cart of books prison officers think they might be interested in. There are mysteries and books of poems, copies of National Geographic magazine (a favorite), dictionaries and science textbooks. If the prisoners see something they like they are allowed to check it out for 30 days.

    The library's offerings now span some 18 languages including Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, Pashto, Russian, French and English. Officers scan newspapers to stay up on the latest titles and try to meet requests from prisoners — though finding books in their native languages can sometimes be a challenge. "I tell ya, Dan Brown's been beating me up lately," says Navy Lt. Robert Collett, who as the officer-in-charge of detainee programs, is known as 'Dean of Gitmo U'. "All his books are very popular, but we don't have all of them in Arabic." When the military has trouble finding a title in a certain language, the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) sometimes steps in. Martin De Boer, ICRC's deputy head of the regional delegation in D.C., says his group sometimes sends its representatives in far-flung places to local stores in order to answer requests for novels in Uzbek or magazines in Bahasa (the language of Indonesia). "Access to books and news from the outside is very important to the prisoners mental state," says De Boer.

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  12. Damn right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In North America, more people are killed every year by their own furniture falling on them than by terrorism. Terrorism the single most over-hyped thing I can remember hearing about in my lifetime.

    Terrorists are cowardly criminals and even if they were blowing up a large government building every week they could not do any lasting and significant harm to an actual free and democratic society.

    However, people are over-reacting to terrorism, and allowing the media and authoritarian types in government to fear-monger about it and use it as an excuse to help push petty tyrannies like the TSA and even serious threats to liberty like the NSA spying on all of us. AMERICANS ARE DAMAGING THEIR GREAT NATION by allowing this to happen. Your Constitution used to mean something, something incredible and empowering. It made you the envy of the developed world and created great opportunities for those who were clever and worked hard to make a better world for themselves and others. You need to wake up, reclaim your country and stop this downward slide into totalitarianism.

    1. Re:Damn right by runeghost · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In North America, more people are killed every year by their own furniture falling on them than by terrorism. Terrorism the single most over-hyped thing I can remember hearing about in my lifetime.

      Terrorists are cowardly criminals and even if they were blowing up a large government building every week they could not do any lasting and significant harm to an actual free and democratic society.

      However, people are over-reacting to terrorism, and allowing the media and authoritarian types in government to fear-monger about it and use it as an excuse to help push petty tyrannies like the TSA and even serious threats to liberty like the NSA spying on all of us. AMERICANS ARE DAMAGING THEIR GREAT NATION by allowing this to happen. Your Constitution used to mean something, something incredible and empowering. It made you the envy of the developed world and created great opportunities for those who were clever and worked hard to make a better world for themselves and others. You need to wake up, reclaim your country and stop this downward slide into totalitarianism.

      Yep. Osama bin Laden, for all that he's dead, basically won. And his biggest ally was the US security industry.

    2. Re:Damn right by Sabriel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ... No, you're right, he didn't win.

      ... We didn't either.

      Instead of an Islamic caliphate, we're up to our waist in an authoritarian plutocracy. If that is victory, one more such might undo us.

    3. Re:Damn right by cold+fjord · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You've gone wrong on a couple of points there. First, al Qaida and company do indeed want the entire world under Islamic rule. It is their goal. The Middle East is just closer to it since it has a majority of Muslims, a number of the countries already implement Sharia in some form, even if imperfectly. Indonesia, Pakistan, and Afghanistan are also high on the list. You may have noticed that they are subject to various troubles as well, not to mention India.

      The Future of Terrorism: What al-Qaida Really Wants

      They plan to take back lands formerly controlled by Muslims. Just one example: Spain

      Alarm in Spain over al-Qaeda call for its "reconquest"
      HAMAS Targets Spain

      As to the US, there is no such thing as "Christian" rule. The US is a secular democracy. It is a nation of primarily Christians (of various flavors and piety) living in a democracy. There is no theocracy, there is no meaningful movement towards theocracy, and it is unclear what one would even look like since there doesn't seem to be a biblical model for it this side of Christ's return. So your post on that is nonsense.

      Christian missionaries have been greatly beneficial to many lands. This is only one example.

      Matthew Parris: As an atheist, I truly believe Africa needs God

      If you look into the history of the last 100 years, you will see that officially atheist regimes were one of the great scourges of the planet. In their communist form they killed 100,000,000 people and brutalized and oppressed many more.

      Jesus lived his life as an observant Jew, is recorded to have fulfilled many prophecies associated with being the Messiah, and made statements declaring himself to be God. Many of his followers preferred to die painful deaths rather than denounce him.

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  13. More misdirection by Camael · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The ultimate strategic goal for Bin Laden and his followers is a world of Muslims living under Sharia law. It is a long term goal to be sure. But getting the US out of Saudia Arabia and all the rest is just short term goals. Ultimately they want to see the US converted to Islam, and living under Sharia law. The language is somewhat stylized, in accordance with their religious nature, but fairly clear if you will see. The demand for conversion is pretty straightforward, and the call for Sharia only slightly diffused but you can see it - and it follows naturally from the conversion demand.

    Beware the person who uses weasel words like "ultimately", "fairly clear" and "follows naturally". It means he's trying to pull a fast one. Beware also a poster who selectively cuts and pastes passages out of context to push his own agenda. I strongly recommend that anyone who has an interest in the matter to go read the full, unedited letter rather than rely on someone who is, as others have already pointed out, likely to be a paid government shill.

    To show you the dangers of citing out of context, I point you to the following passage of the same letter :-

    We call you to be a people of manners, principles, honour, and purity; to reject the immoral acts of fornication, homosexuality, intoxicants, gambling's, and trading with interest.

    Doesn't that sound very much like what some of the bible belt conservatives in the US are pushing for? Can I then exclude everything else in the letter and based solely on that one passage, argue that the Osama group's ultimate goal is to turn America into a land of "manners, principles, honour, and purity"?

    Because this manner of argument is exactly what the previous poster has done.