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Open Source Beehives Designed To Help Save Honeybee Colonies

Lemeowski writes "Honeybees are disappearing at an alarming rate, with a third of U.S. honeybees vanishing last year. Since bees pollinate many fruits and vegetables, the disappearance of honeybees could cause the United States to lose $15 billion worth of crops, and even change the American diet. The honey bee disappearance is called Colony Collapse Disorder, a serious problem of bees abruptly leaving their hives. A new open source effort called the Open Source Beehives project hopes to help by creating "a mesh network of data-generating honey bee colonies for local, national, and international study of the causes and effects of Colony Collapse Disorder." Collaborators have created two beehive designs that can be downloaded for free and milled using a CNC machine, then filled with sensors to track bee colony health."

172 comments

  1. only ONE species...sheesh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why does no one ever give the full story about bees? There's only one species of bee suffering from colony collapse disorder(CCD) and that's been going on and written about since the 1800's so it's not a new thing.

    1. Re:only ONE species...sheesh... by plover · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ummm...no. The current instance of Colony Collapse Disorder is a marked difference in bee colony behavior that began in about 2007-2008. The dieoffs are far larger than anything seen before.

      Current theories are that neonicitinoids were introduced at about the same time that CCD began devastating bee colonies. Neonicitinoids, such as imidicloprin, are some of the latest and safest insecticides on the market, with very little harmful effects on mammals. But they have one huge drawback: it has been recently learned that they are extremely lethal to bees - up to 150X more lethal to bees than to other insects. They are neurotoxins. Even sub-lethal doses cause visible confusion in the bees, resulting in "incorrect" dances that the bees use to tell other bees about nearby sources of food.

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    2. Re:only ONE species...sheesh... by Hartree · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I work for a university in central Illinois that does a large amount of bee related research. (Full disclosure: I'm not one of the researchers. I do the repair work on their instruments from vacuum pumps to mass specs. The guy in the shop across the street does even more work for those groups. We get to talk to them a lot about their work, and bees are an interest of mine. see below for the reasons.)

      Though there is thought that the neonicotinoids may be related, it's probably not the whole story. (see: http://illinois.edu/lb/article/72/3231/page=1/list=list and http://illinois.edu/lb/article/72/73513/page=1/list=list for some insight by two of our researchers). Most of the ones I've talked to think it's a combination of factors.

      Agriculture here uses large amounts of the neonicotinoids, and the bee declines started before they were being used.

      Just from my own observations (I kept bees along with my dad when I was a kid), the declines in bee population were happening here in Illinois long before the neonicotinoids were fielded. I was amazed at the drop in the numbers of wild bees here in the early nineties. The stress of varroa mites was likely a big part of that. Some other diseases are thought to have been involved as well.

      The EU has largely restricted the neonicotinoids so we should have some comparison data in a few years.

    3. Re:only ONE species...sheesh... by marcgvky · · Score: 1

      I have to say that this story has been recycled frequently, over the years. I appreciate Hartree's insight and think we should wait for some sound science before we rush to "do something!" (i.e. ban certain pesticides and leave millions of African children to die of malaria, for example).

    4. Re:only ONE species...sheesh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Given the importance of bees in our agricultural system, I'd think that a little caution would be prudent. There's no need to ban substances outright on a permanent basis, but a 2-3 year moratorium would allow us to see whether it solves the problem and decide whether the ban should be made permanent.

      The "let's do nothing until we're sure" strategy isn't really the way you want to play the "preserving a resource we need to produce our food" game.

    5. Re:only ONE species...sheesh... by plover · · Score: 1

      I agree that it's far from proven. Pesticides, however, are still likely to be significant contributors.

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    6. Re:only ONE species...sheesh... by plover · · Score: 1

      I don't think we need to go that far. If pesticides are truly the problem, it should be evident in fewer cases of CCD in regions that are mostly covered in organic farms. They might need to restrict local homeowner uses on flowers and gardens, just for a test. Plus, there is no evidence that removing one cause is sufficient to recover the populations. Mites could still be a significant factor.

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    7. Re:only ONE species...sheesh... by JimSadler · · Score: 1

      If people start keeping more bee hives it might be the worst notion of all. To a degree that diseases are in play in the decline more hives might act as a bridge that spreads the diseases more vigorously. I wonder if African killer bees are showing signs of decline as well and whether they would pollinate crops efficiently.

    8. Re:only ONE species...sheesh... by Hartree · · Score: 1

      They quite possibly are part of the problem. If not as a main cause, then as an exacerbating factor. And, though the neonicotinoids are currently under suspicion, it could be other chemicals, or combinations of them that are contributing. Nearly anything that reduces the overall health of a hive is going to make it just that much worse whether it's the main cause or not.

      And, it could be that varroa mites and diseases have hurt the colonies enough that chemicals in amounts that wouldn't have had a major impact now do.

      The restrictions in the EU make for an interesting experiment with the US and other areas as a control. But, it'll take a bit of time to get good data.
       

    9. Re:only ONE species...sheesh... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 0

      The problem is that bees are dying off now and this is an emergency; while a 2-3 moratorium on chemical manufacture would devastate the industry manufacturing that chemical, making it economically infeasible to go back to it within probably a decade or more, even if the replacements were worse/more expensive/whatnot. The cost of re-starting and recovering the business--repeat start-up costs--would push the price up beyond economic feasibility.

      Think about what would happen if Best Buy was told to shutter all of its doors for 3 months. In 5 weeks it would be a dead company, no recovery. The same happens with the supply chain, except supply chains can stockpile and so may have the ability to cope with 6-8 month business freeze. But 2-3 years is a lot of time for a supply company to sit and wait, trying to keep up with liabilities, without re-tooling their equipment for something that they can actually make money from and abandoning ever returning to their old product because it would cost too much and incur too much risk to go back.

      Proper problem solving strategy starts by defining the problem--what is affected, what is not affected, where are they, how are they different, when did the effect occur, what changed around that time, what is the pattern, etc. Based on that definition, you can then rate the likelihood of various causes. In this case: are only one type of bee dying? If we have Honey Bees versus Bumblebees, both susceptible to a toxin, both in experiments reacting the same way to exposure, yet both in the same treated area and only the Honey Bees are affected and in an untreated area the Honey Bees are still affected despite lack of exposure, it's unlikely that the toxin is the problem. On the other hand, if the Bumblebees are more resistant and there is pattern behavior based on exposure, you're highly likely to have found it--you can't be sure, and hell it's still questionable at best (are the toxin levels JUST RIGHT where Bumblebees don't give a shit but Honey Bees are devastated? Seriously? That's ridiculous), but this is absolutely actionable.

    10. Re:only ONE species...sheesh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've read that Italy has "temporarily" (but indefinitely) banned all use of neonicotinoids and that the total number of collapsed bee colonies in Italy is zero. Nada. Zilch. None. I don't think that there is the need to wait for a few more years, if the data is correct it would indicate a pretty strong correlation.

    11. Re:only ONE species...sheesh... by freezin+fat+guy · · Score: 1

      Monsanto, a.k.a. federal government, will obviously kill any chemical bans long before they see the light of day. But are they doing any research on a patentable super-bee?

    12. Re:only ONE species...sheesh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Umm... the companies involved are giant chemical corporations - they have vats of various chemicals and are in the business of mixing them -
      Swich one recipie for another, and voila - no significant loss of funds.

    13. Re:only ONE species...sheesh... by lennier · · Score: 1

      a 2-3 moratorium on chemical manufacture would devastate the industry manufacturing that chemical

      (eyebrow raise) The entire agricultural pesticides industry would be devastated by a single one of their products being temporarily banned?

      That's one heck of a fragile industry you've got there.

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    14. Re:only ONE species...sheesh... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      No, there are many agricultural pesticides. Problem is one company does not manufacture 50 types of pesticides; some are specialized, and the ones with capacity for 6 chemicals will be better served by re-tooling if they can't sell one of them. Then there's an expense to re-tool back after a moratorium, which they'd rather avoid. Start-up costs are big, and risk is high. Some companies drop the product and never come back, others completely fold, others drop capacity and employees.

    15. Re:only ONE species...sheesh... by Optali · · Score: 1

      In fact there's a huge controversy about neonicotinoids ban. Not against, but it happens that despite the ban some national laws (like here in Holland) have found a gap in legislation that allows it's massive use. You can even find it in garden centres, no problem.

      And most published studies also agree on pointing at a combination of factors with neonicotinoids as one of the most important.
       

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    16. Re:only ONE species...sheesh... by Optali · · Score: 1

      You fail to see that "the companies, bla, bla..." are not a small startup in a garage specialised in making neonicotinoids for the hobby gardner but BASF,Bayer, Dupont etc... for which changing to one or the other compound will hardly mean "end of business" for any of them.

      Do you have any study about bumblebees not being affected? From what I have read and heard (and it's a mayor topic here in Holland) we jsut don't have any numbers on wildlife but only on domestic bees (for rather obvious reasons).

       

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    17. Re:only ONE species...sheesh... by Optali · · Score: 1

      You are right, poor little BASF and Bayer... they were able to finance the Third Reich and survived restructuring after WWII and ban on a large list of chemicals including DDT... but now they will be devastated if we ban a single one of them. I can't but cry for them... Bwaaahhhhh!!

      How will they survive, in Gods name, how? Not even the Greek masters could hav imagined a tragedy as huge as this!!

      And BTW, why the heck to you lobby for a bunch German companies?

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    18. Re:only ONE species...sheesh... by Optali · · Score: 1

      Monsanto would most probably love it as an opportunity to introduce new sorts of GMO and also as a way of showing to the world that their GMO crops are harmless. So it's a pretty dual stance and I don't think Monsanto in particular gives much of a shit.

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    19. Re:only ONE species...sheesh... by Optali · · Score: 1

      Our restrictions don't mean anything. We aren't applying them.

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    20. Re:only ONE species...sheesh... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Let's repeat this.

      SPECIALIST businesses will likely die, or retool away.

      DIVERSIFIED businesses will likely survive, and retool away from the banned product.

      After retooling and specialist collapse, nobody will be making the banned product. The market will not provide a great opportunity for moving back onto the banned product--even if it's discovered to have the most benign environmental impact. That means the product is, effectively, likely to be lost forever.

      Devastates an industry: the manufacture of chemical X.

    21. Re:only ONE species...sheesh... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      What if it's discovered, later, that the banned pesticide is actually benign, but nobody wants to re-tool onto it because there's no money in it? It'd be expensive to retool, the product would cost more than toxic waste used as an alternative, no one would buy it, so no one starts making it.

  2. It won't do any good. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The bees are following the dolphins back to their home planet. They don't like what we're doing here.

    "Thanks for all the pollen."

    -The Bees.

    The salmon are getting pissed too, btw.

  3. Do be a Do Bee by turkeydance · · Score: 0

    waiting Oh So long.

    1. Re:Do be a Do Bee by drainbramage · · Score: 1

      A Romper Room reference?

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  4. What about a Free Beehives project? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Open source isn't good enough. We need to have our freedom to use and modify all beehive-related data secured via Copyleft.

    (joke)

    1. Re:What about a Free Beehives project? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      You joke, but this is one issue RMS once complained about on his site Stallman.org

  5. An insecticide-infection connection in bee colony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/10/an-insecticide-infection-connection-in-bee-colony-collapses/

  6. Is the Bayer company killing the bees? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
    1. Re:Is the Bayer company killing the bees? by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      The AC above hit the nail on the head, although I doubt it's just Bayer. My guess, though, living in the middle of a farming state is that Bayer will be selling a lot less of the pesticides thought to cause this. More study is nice, but we know these chemicals fuck bees up. While they're studying (and they should continue) they should stop using these insecticides.

      I wonder if Monsanto is working on a patented, genetically engineered bee that's resistant to this stuff?

    2. Re:Is the Bayer company killing the bees? by Optali · · Score: 1

      Oh, Bayer has a large tradition of such issues... now it's neonitcotinoids and in the past it was Zyklon-B.

      (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayer)
         

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  7. CNC ?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Collaborators have created two beehive designs that can be downloaded for free and milled using a CNC machine, then filled with sensors to track bee colony health.

    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=How+to+build+a+beehive%3F

    No CNC machine. Just some wood and glue. Want sensors? Add them. I'm actually surprised this didn't ask for 3D printers!

    Perhaps, if you want to stop bees from dying, perhaps, just perhaps, ban systemic pesticides. Ban nicotinoids. Don't want to? Well, then don't bitch all all bees are killed off.

  8. Attention Citizen by Cornwallis · · Score: 1

    Smart Citizen reads like an off-the-shelf tool to aid the NSA. No thanks.

    1. Re:Attention Citizen by SB9876 · · Score: 2

      Yes, because light, temperature and humidity values are highly valued by the intelligence community.

  9. Wild bees not disappearing by timkb4cq · · Score: 4, Interesting

    While commercial beekeepers have been having trouble with their bees, here in Florida we've had more wild bees than ever before. They're building hives in residential areas - in attics, in backyard trees, under manufactured homes, in walls of abandoned homes, etc. Commercial beekeepers don't want these bees because it's more expensive to test them to determine whether they are "Africanized" than to buy new, so they are usually killed by exterminators. If bees were truly as threatened as the headlines claim, wouldn't at least some beekeepers be collecting these hives instead of homeowners having to pay hundreds of dollars to have them killed?

    1. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 0

      "While commercial beekeepers have been having trouble with their bees, here in Florida we've had more wild bees than ever before."

      Besides... I've been hearing this "20% last year... 30% last year" BULLSHIT for at least 10 years. If it were even approximately true, the U.S. would be knee-deep in negative bees by now.

      (Before anybody replies... yes, I know that 30% of 0.0001 is not negative. Just a slight exaggeration to make a point, okay?)

      But on a more serious note: I can also add my "anecdotal evidence" that wild bees have been plentiful in this area. Last summer I had a hard time believing how many bees (and yes, I mean honeybees not any other variety) were all over the flowers.

      I am as concerned about problems with bees as anybody... but BS doesn't help solve anything.

    2. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "... we've had more wild bees than ever before"

      Maybe they're tired of their "keepers" and just want to be free. :)

    3. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Maybe they're also making a point with slight exaggerations. Otherwise known as BULLSHIT.

    4. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 0

      "Maybe they're also making a point with slight exaggerations. Otherwise known as BULLSHIT."

      The DIFFERENCE is that I'm not pretending to be a major news company or somebody with a product to promote. I'm just giving my opinion on Slashdot. :)

    5. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it were even approximately true, the U.S. would be knee-deep in negative bees by now.

      And between carbon nanotubes and other buttmagical tech, we should have at least a 100,000% increase in battery storage density.

      20% last year... 30% last year [...] yes, I know that 30% of 0.0001 is not negative.

      Yeah but if the percentage reaches too far over one hundred then we could end up with less than no bees.

    6. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, okay. Feel free to spread all the exaggerated BULLSHIT you want, without any consequences.

    7. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      We've had the same problems in Ontario(pretty damn far north from Florida). The heavily domesticated bees are suffering colony collapse, wild bees are thriving, in the last 5 years I've had 4 new hives pop up on my property in different areas. And my property isn't big, 38x120ft. Each time, I got my cousins boyfriend to come and collect the hives. These hives are doing fine, with only a normal 10-30% winter die off. While his heavily domesticated bees are suffering upwards of 50% or collapsing unless a new queen is transplanted from another hive.

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    8. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Commercial beekeepers don't want these bees because it's more expensive to test them to determine whether they are "Africanized" than to buy new, so they are usually killed by exterminators.

      Africanized bees have already taken over South America. North America is next. It will happen. The only question is how long it will take.

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    9. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? What part of Ontario do you live in? I'm in southern Ontario and I see maybe two or three bees per year. Hundreds of wasps though.

    10. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "Oh, okay. Feel free to spread all the exaggerated BULLSHIT you want, without any consequences."

      I thought you'd get the hint. I guess not.

      Since I told everybody it was an exaggeration, I wasn't bullshitting.

    11. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Well, it seems we have lots of "anecdotal evidence" that BEES are doing fine, just not commercial colonies.

      Now we just have to formulate an experiment to test the idea.

    12. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Also, just FYI:

      If you're going to try to get away with sock-puppetry, you should be a bit less obvious about it.

    13. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More projection from Lonny's gender-bending sockpuppet.

    14. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Yet again, this AC confirms beyond doubt:

      (A) That he *IS* in fact using a sockpuppet account (and proves that he uses it for ghost-modding, definitely against Slashdot's accepted social rules), and

      (B) exactly who he is.

      And he seems to keep forgetting that he was told

      (C) these little episodes are being recorded for legal purposes.

    15. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      And you also seem to lack even a basic understanding of what people consider to be a "sock puppet". Even though it has been explained to you thoroughly several times now.

      What you are doing is generally considered unacceptable by the Slashdot community. In other words: you are breaking the rules.

      I, on the other hand, am not. I am satisfied with the honest mods I get from honest people. Which you have proved you are not.

      I wonder how the Slashdot crew would react if I presented them with my proof that you have been using sock-puppet accounts? Especially when I show them you have been using them to mod other people.

    16. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody will ever know, because you're too much of a coward to do anything but whine using your Jane sockpuppet.

    17. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "Nobody will ever know, because you're too much of a coward to do anything but whine using your Jane sockpuppet."

      You are already proved wrong, because I already had them change your account name once over this harassment you have been doing.

      Further, I am a big believer in giving enough rope to really, really hang themselves good. You're doing pretty well so far.

    18. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Changed name? Huh? You do know that "Anonymous Coward" isn't actually an account... right?

    19. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Changed name? Huh? You do know that "Anonymous Coward" isn't actually an account... right?

      Now you're just being stupid, or pretending to be. The rest of us aren't.

      You have already confirmed who you are. You confirmed who you were the other time as well. 2 + 2 still equals 4. I don't think that's changed any lately.

      The only thing that matters is that I know who you are, can demonstrate that to others, and that there is a record of your behavior. I do, I can, and there is.

      It doesn't get much simpler than that.

    20. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      I will amend that. There is one other thing that matters. And that is:

      You just aren't as smart as you think you are. That's about two or three times I've said it, but I'll say it again for good measure: I don't think you're stupid. But you aren't as smart as you think you are.

      You'll keep messing up. And I'll be here to catch it.

    21. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I saw the Jane impersonator, and saw Slashdot change his/her username. That wasn't me, so you're either bluffing or technically incompetent. A similar conundrum applies to your recording internet comments "for legal purposes." If you seriously think that courts exist to help men pose as female internet trolls, then you're legally incompetent too. That's what my lawyer says, anyway. So bring it on, but only if you're ready to pay for my court costs as well as yours.

    22. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "I saw the Jane impersonator, and saw Slashdot change his/her username. That wasn't me, so you're either bluffing or technically incompetent. A similar conundrum applies to your recording internet comments "for legal purposes."

      Aaaaaaaaannnnnndddd... you just proved my point. Again.

    23. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Presumably your point was that I'm not the Jane impersonator whose name was changed. So I'll generously assume you were just bluffing and accept your apology.

    24. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1
      /.

      "Presumably your point was that I'm not the Jane impersonator whose name was changed. So I'll generously assume you were just bluffing and accept your apology."

      Pretty big presumptions and assumptions there. And the only one you are trying to be "generous" to is yourself. No great surprise.

    25. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Presuming you're technically competent enough to recognize that not everyone who annoys you on Slashdot is the same person definitely was a pretty big assumption.

    26. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      You have a pretty weird idea of what is "reasonable" to assume and what is not.

      First, an AC who replied to me earlier pretty clearly identified himself. Second, it is not very reasonable to "assume" that an AC who continues to reply in the same thread, which was so obviously between two people, and particularly when the messages on one side are scored "0", is someone else.

      Obviously it is possible. But it sure as hell isn't very likely.

    27. Re:Wild bees not disappearing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You were talking about the Jane impersonator who had his/her name changed by Slashdot. That happened in another thread. And again, it was someone else.

  10. AKA humans causing bee death by MrL0G1C · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The cause is known but for some reason some countries refuse to take the necessary action - ban the harmful pesticides, fungicides and stop over-working the bees.

    Here in Britain we have a history of allowing poisons - MDF, air pollution, pesticides, Asbestos, trans-fats, BPA, a whole slew of nasty shit that are called food additives, if banning anything causes some company to lose money then it isn't banned.

    http://www.treehugger.com/natural-sciences/scientists-discover-another-cause-bee-deaths-and-its-really-bad-news.html

    When bathing in a bath of poison, switching to a different bath design is not going to help.

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    1. Re:AKA humans causing bee death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Science says the nicotinoids don't help, but Science also says this is not the only reason for colony collapse. viral and other diseases have probably been introduced.

      Rather than chanting the simplistic 'ban insecticide' maybe what we need is 'do more good science now' because if we ban insecticide and don't fix the viral issue, we're not actually better off.

      How about (for instance) exploring alternative pollenation species? I have been told that many locations have a mix of viable pollenators, insect and otherwise. The assumption "it has to be bees" is possibly faulty.

      I like bees. I like honey. I don't like people chanting slogans.

    2. Re:AKA humans causing bee death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Darwin Capitalism.

      Companies selling the chemicals are gaining at the cost of everyone else. Either society will evolve laws against this, or the bees will evolve to find their way home through a haze of chemicals. Maybe both. Meanwhile, people are profiting while they cause this.

      To really stop them, it has to be made unprofitable.

  11. Re:An insecticide-infection connection in bee colo by Swampash · · Score: 3, Funny

    But the insecticide companies say there must be a different explanation, so that's settled then. A massive multinational chemical company wouldn't lie.

  12. Colony Collapse Disorder already understood by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Informative

    Basically, the problem is that beekeeping has a monoculture problem - watch the video at the end of this link which explains that basically the bees are not treated well and there's not really a diversity of managed bees.

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    1. Re:Colony Collapse Disorder already understood by MarkRose · · Score: 5, Informative

      I was just about to post that video. A summary from the YouTube video description:

      12 things to prevent colony collapse disorder:

      #1 general approach: use organic practices
      #2 general approach: strengthen bee immune system instead of "attack and kill" what nature uses to remove weak bees
      #3 don't use insecticide (for mite control or any other insect problem) inside of hives - bees are insects!
      #4 allow bees to create their own cell size (typically smaller) - no more pre-made foundation or cells
      #5 genetics based on "survival of the fittest" is superior to genetics resulting from mass production where the weak are medicated
      #6 swarming is the natural way to good genetics
      #7 local bees have adapted to challenges in your area
      #8 stop moving hives
      #9 feed bees honey, not sugar water
      #10 feed bees polyculture blossoms, not monoculture
      #11 stop using insecticides on crops - bees are insects!
      #12 raise hives off the ground

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    2. Re:Colony Collapse Disorder already understood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right, a large part of the problem is that bees are now commonly fed high fructose corn syrup and other food substitutes - cheap garbage that increases honey production, but at the cost of lowered hive immunity. Then you add toxic pesticides (aren't they all) and it's a wrap. Bye bye bees.

    3. Re:Colony Collapse Disorder already understood by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "Basically, the problem is that beekeeping has a monoculture problem - watch the video at the end of this link which explains that basically the bees are not treated well and there's not really a diversity of managed bees."

      Mod parent up.

      I've been making this monoculture argument for years. It is just as valid as a reason why spread of "Roundup Ready" corn and other crops are a very Bad Idea.

      History is chock-full of examples of why monoculture crops (and bees are a "crop" of sorts) is courting disaster. When you are dependent on a monoculture, any little thing can cause it all to "collapse". The Irish Potato Famine is one good, famous example.

      Diversity is a usually good thing, whether you're talking about human cultures, or food crops.

      (However, when it comes to people it isn't a matter of "forcing" diversity, the way U.S. universities have tried to do. When they do that, what they end up with instead is many clones of the same mix. It doesn't work that way. That isn't diversity at all; it's homogeneity. When you dump the same ingredients into 100 different blenders, you get 100 times the same old soup.)

    4. Re:Colony Collapse Disorder already understood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wasn't convinced about your monoculture argument until it swerved into racist territory in the last paragraph.

    5. Re:Colony Collapse Disorder already understood by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

      What is truly racism is playing favoritism to any one race, thereby weakening people.

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    6. Re:Colony Collapse Disorder already understood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, the famous "rebuttal by calling someone a racist" technique! Works every time, to make you look like an ignorant twat.

    7. Re:Colony Collapse Disorder already understood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Feed bees honey not sugar?

      Are you mad? Thats the number one way to give a healthy hive AFB or something else nasty and I personally like my beehives and don't feel like burning them down because I gave them AFB from tainted honey.

    8. Re:Colony Collapse Disorder already understood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe let them eat a bit of their own honey?

    9. Re:Colony Collapse Disorder already understood by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      Feed bees honey not sugar?

      Are you mad? Thats the number one way to give a healthy hive AFB or something else nasty and I personally like my beehives and don't feel like burning them down because I gave them AFB from tainted honey.

      Yes, if only there were a way for bees to make their own honey......

    10. Re:Colony Collapse Disorder already understood by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      12 things to prevent colony collapse disorder:

      [[Citation Needed]]

      Seriously, this sounds like a collection of random ideas rather than the result of proper studies. A couple sound like nutbar dreams, others sound like the folks proposing them aren't necessarily stupid but do have little grasp on science.

    11. Re:Colony Collapse Disorder already understood by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      Dan Rather Reports had a episode on this I watched a few weeks ago. I'm just a layman, but I was under the impression that there was intermingling of different bee colonies whenever bees are trucked in from different parts of the country. They noted this as one of the ways problems with one bee colony can spread faster (like an airport phenomenon).

      Perhaps there is no genetic mixture when different colonies are pollinating the same orchards?

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    12. Re:Colony Collapse Disorder already understood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, they're probably just the 12 things that beekeepers have been doing successfully for the past 5000 years

    13. Re:Colony Collapse Disorder already understood by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "I wasn't convinced about your monoculture argument until it swerved into racist territory in the last paragraph."

      Racism, by definition, is treating people differently according to race. It doesn't matter whether that treatment is better or worse... it means different.

      "Affirmative Action", as it has been called, is government-sanctioned racism.

      You don't get to re-define "racism" as "only if it's against MY race". Or "only if it's against minorities."

      No points.

    14. Re:Colony Collapse Disorder already understood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, when it comes to people it isn't a matter of "forcing" diversity, the way U.S. universities have tried to do. When they do that, what they end up with instead is many clones of the same mix. It doesn't work that way. That isn't diversity at all; it's homogeneity.

      Jane's claim implies that a university with 100% white male students isn't less diverse than a university with at least some students who aren't white and male. What a fascinating definition of diversity...

    15. Re:Colony Collapse Disorder already understood by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "Jane's claim implies that a university with 100% white male students isn't less diverse than a university with at least some students who aren't white and male. What a fascinating definition of diversity..."

      FAIL! I neither wrote or suggested anything of the sort. I am not sure whether the problem is your reading comprehension or your grasp of logic, but one of them definitely failed you.

      What I actually meant (and for that matter what I actually wrote) is that one American university with exactly the same mix of races as another American university, is no more or less diverse than that other university. They are conformant in that context, not "diverse".

    16. Re:Colony Collapse Disorder already understood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Saying "the way U.S. universities have tried to do" refers to their trying to increase their percentage of non-white/female students above ~0%, which makes universities more diverse.

    17. Re:Colony Collapse Disorder already understood by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "Saying "the way U.S. universities have tried to do" refers to their trying to increase their percentage of non-white/female students above ~0%, which makes universities more diverse."

      Not even close. I'm the one who wrote it, so I fucking well know what it referred to, and that wasn't it.

      I wrote: "... the way U.S. universities have tried to do. When they do that, what they end up with instead is many clones of the same mix.

      What that actually referred to, was "affirmative action" quotas, which universities still have (and which was proved in court just last year).

      When they enforce similar quotas (and most of them are similar), they end up with approximately the same mix

      And frankly, I don't know why I'm bothering to explain to you where you were wrong. Nobody else seemed to have any trouble understanding what I wrote.

    18. Re:Colony Collapse Disorder already understood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That mix being something other than 100% white males.

    19. Re:Colony Collapse Disorder already understood by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "That mix being something other than 100% white males."

      Uh... gee, Mr. Genius, I guess the word "mix" would kind of imply that, wouldn't it? Especially since I already stated that was the subject under discussion.

      Holy crap.

    20. Re:Colony Collapse Disorder already understood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That mix of something other than 100% white males is more diverse than a "mix" of 100% white males.

    21. Re:Colony Collapse Disorder already understood by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "That mix of something other than 100% white males is more diverse than a "mix" of 100% white males.

      No shit, Sherlock. But that wasn't the point.

      WHOOSH!

    22. Re:Colony Collapse Disorder already understood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... when it comes to people it isn't a matter of "forcing" diversity, the way U.S. universities have tried to do. When they do that, what they end up with instead is many clones of the same mix. It doesn't work that way. That isn't diversity at all; it's homogeneity. ...

      The point is that universities have tried to "force" diversity by changing the mix of students from ~100% white males (which might be called homogeneity) to a mix that's not ~100% white males. Which is more diverse.

    23. Re:Colony Collapse Disorder already understood by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      "The point is that universities have tried to "force" diversity by changing the mix of students from ~100% white males (which might be called homogeneity) to a mix that's not ~100% white males. Which is more diverse."

      No, that was NOT the point. I wrote what I meant and I even explained it again. Don't blame me if you failed to understand.

    24. Re:Colony Collapse Disorder already understood by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was the point of the measures U.S. universities take to replace homogeneity of ~100% white males with a more diverse human culture. If we can agree that U.S. universities have successfully replaced homogeneity with diversity, then we can stop here.

  13. Always the case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CEO researcher and campaigner David Sanchez said: “Although publicly calling for science-based decisions, industry's strategy is to attack scientists when science is not on their side.

    Isn't that always the case?

    I've become so cynical, if a business says that the sky is blue, I'm gonna look out the window. I consider them ALL liars until proven otherwise and if I can't find proof that they're telling the truth, then I default to liar(s).

    Profit rules; people drools.

  14. Interesting process by regular_guy · · Score: 1

    At first I was thinking about the design, and while I'm no expert I was immediately concerned about the "bee space" along some of the angled portions inside the hive, though it being a top bar design I'm not certain that's so much an issue. I do wonder about the sensor apparatus, as a key issue would be the ability to monitor sections of the hive much like the work done by Meitalovs et. al ("Automatic microclimate controlled beehive observation system.") It's been a bugger for me just to put any kind of sensor in a hive without it being covered in propolis, so I'd be interested to see what they plan on doing with the Arduino-based Smart Citizen Kit. But it seems like good intentions on these guys' parts, so kudos to them!

  15. There's no mystery. by ApplePy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's real simple: monoculture and chemicals -- agricultural chemical warfare.

    Hobby beekeepers are not having this problem in the cities. It's the commercial guys out where the spray'n'pray farms are who are losing bees.

    The only reason that *everyone* doesn't know this yet -- is because the makers of said chemicals (cough Monsanto cough and others) have heavily invested in creating confusion around the issue to hide the fact that it's THEIR PRODUCTS killing the bees.

    There is nothing further to investigate. We don't need any goddamn sensors in the beehives. We don't need to spend any more tax dollars or time researching this. We need to start banning some shit. Now. Yesterday.

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    1. Re:There's no mystery. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely true - we lost several. It's also worth mentioning that hives do die - a professional I know lost 25% last year, and said that wasn't unusual. A lot of the problem is people who don't study or keep bees offering completely baseless opinions.

    2. Re:There's no mystery. by ApplePy · · Score: 4, Informative

      A lot of the problem is people who don't study or keep bees offering completely baseless opinions.

      I do keep bees, asshat. I also make my own equipment, and do cutouts. I am not a professional, but I also don't lose anywhere near 25% of my bees! Let's just say I'm always learning, but I know a thing or two.

      I'll make this real simple:

      1) Spray insecticide on bees; they die.
      2) Place bees near commercial agriculture where:
      3) Farmers spray insecticides.
      4) Bees die.

      I'm sorry to you and the other nitwit AC, but this is fall-off-log-backwards dead simple fucking obvious even to morons.

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    3. Re:There's no mystery. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Monsanto is behind it, it must be bad!

    4. Re:There's no mystery. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm the anonymous who called you out on being a MORON. The claim still stands undefended as there is no commercial agriculture within 5 miles of any of my bees. You can make things as simple as you want, but as I am both science and philosophically oriented I prefer scientific studies to generate facts and not untutored opinions.
      Yes, pesticides can and and do kill bees, but so do mites. We used powdered sugar treatments but the treatments were ineffective in removing all the mites. This season we have used a hop extract treatment and have not lost bees. Maybe things are so simple for you because you are ...
      Regards,
        skippy

    5. Re:There's no mystery. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Monsanto: Makes products like roundup that kill bees. they also make seeds. Coincidence? I don't think so.

    6. Re:There's no mystery. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps you're just a faggot shill working for Monsanto.

    7. Re:There's no mystery. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Monsanto is behind it, it must be bad!

      That sounds like a decent rule of thumb given their history.

    8. Re:There's no mystery. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Roundup is a herbicide, and in no way related to neonicotinoids (insecticides), or for that matter bee deaths.

      I understand there's a lot about Monsanto you can disagree with, and there are a lot of actually valid arguments you could have made to discredit them, but what you claim here is simply not true.

    9. Re:There's no mystery. by caseih · · Score: 1

      I think I know what you were trying to say, but you messed up with the roundup part. Please get your facts straight. Roundup is a herbicide, not an insecticide. An overused and ultimately problem-causing herbicide, but not related to bees in any way that I know of. At least in this context.

      The suspected class of insecticide is neonicotinoids, which is actually a naturally-occurring pesticide secreted by some plants. Two companies that I know of, Bayer and Syngenta, produce an insecticide based on this chemical that coats the seeds of certain crops (pulses, corn, etc) when planted. The idea is the plant will take the chemical in systemically, and become unappealing for insects like weevils when they chomp into the leaf. And of course we don't know if when bees come along to the flowers if the chemical is still in the plant enough to kill or hurt them.

    10. Re:There's no mystery. by hotdiggity · · Score: 1

      I'm the anonymous who called you out on being a MORON

      ... as I am both science and philosophically oriented I prefer scientific studies to generate facts and not untutored opinions.

      You throw around a lot of ad hominem attacks, name-calling, and personal anecdotal evidence for someone supposedly science and philosophically oriented, Skippy the Anonymous Coward.

    11. Re:There's no mystery. by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      LOL.

      But morons have the advantage that they don't have industry hired research studying Logs instead of Idiots.

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    12. Re:There's no mystery. by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      Informative, but one place you fail miserably is at bulleting points:

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    13. Re:There's no mystery. by moschner · · Score: 1

      Monsanto: Makes products like roundup that kill bees. they also make seeds.

      Maybe then they need to start making "Round-Up Ready" bees.

      If pesticides are the problem, and people are not willing to stop using pesticides, then perhaps we need to make the bees immune to the pesticides.

    14. Re:There's no mystery. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're 5 miles from the nearest...

      1. What is the range of a bee? (African or European?)

      2. What are the patterns for prevailing winds in your area?

      3. Is it possible that plants that have been sprayed may have been relocated closer to you?

      4. If the range around the agricultural activity which is contaminated with commercial insecticides is say... 3 miles, and your bees can fly... 3 miles... do you see the potential there?

      5. The larger those circles are, the larger the overlap.

      6. Is it possible bees, being cold-blooded, are sensitive to variations in climate, or are UV sensitive? Maybe the problem is bees can't see as well when there is so much glare, glare they can see because they can see UV, and there's just more of it nowadays? Not saying this is the case, just asking if it's been considered.

  16. No, it affects MORE THAN ONE SPECIES ! by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why does no one ever give the full story about bees? There's only one species of bee suffering from colony collapse disorder(CCD) and that's been going on and written about since the 1800's so it's not a new thing.

    While most of the colony collapse disorders affected the European Bumble Bees, other bees are also affected.

    The culprit is the MITES, specifically the Varroa Mites
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony_collapse_disorder#Varroa_mites

    There is NO WAY to kill those mites without harming the bees, and the mites can evolve much faster than the bees, making them effectively immune to whatever chemical concoction that we use to kill them, while the bees can't cope with the same chemicals (when we use it inside the beehives)

    Even the Asian bees, which groom themselves much thoroughly than the European Bumble Bees, are also affected by the goddamn mites !

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    1. Re:No, it affects MORE THAN ONE SPECIES ! by caferace · · Score: 3, Informative

      We had mites through the fall, and killed most of them by dosing the entire colony with .... powdered sugar. Yes, we lost a bunch of bees, but the mites are gone.

    2. Re:No, it affects MORE THAN ONE SPECIES ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even the Asian bees, which groom themselves much thoroughly than the European Bumble Bees, are also affected by the goddamn mites !

      Why don't we make tiny robotic grooming bees resident in beehives? I dare mites to bite their shiny metal ass!

    3. Re:No, it affects MORE THAN ONE SPECIES ! by cfulton · · Score: 1

      Mites have been a problem in beehives forever. There are many ways to deal with Varroa mites some of which work better than others. This is a an old and ongoing beekeeper problem. CCD is a completely different problem and not in any way related to mites.

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  17. Maybe they're just tired of working for free? by Narcocide · · Score: 1

    Obligatory Fight Club reference:

    worker bees can leave
    even drones can fly away
    the queen is their slave

  18. FUD running out by PsyMan · · Score: 0

    With the world rapidly running out of straws to clutch what on earth are we going to have to fear? Without fear, we have no control. Personally I am afraid of revolution caused by lack of oppressive fear of stuff. Or am I just fearing....stuff?

  19. Not alarming by Kohath · · Score: 1

    Crop growers need bees. Beekeepers supply bees. When bees die, beekeepers make more. Maybe crop growers pay more and prices increase a little.

    If pesticides on crops are killing bees, crop growers might have to decide whether they want the benefit of the pesticide at the cost of paying more for bees. It's probably not a hard calculation for them.

    This is only "alarming" for drama people.

  20. Perhaps the reason nobody is getting worked up by taustin · · Score: 0

    is that the people most affected by it - beekeepers and farmers who rent their colonies - aren't worked up over it. Colonies die off every winter, and always have. CCD means that more do, but replacing failed colonies is a routine part of the business.. The price of queen bees, which can apparently be produced on demand very quickly, hasn't gone up appreciably. The price of food that relies on rented bee colonies for pollination hasn't gone up appreciably. Almonds, one of the crops most sensitive to the availability of bees, have seen a price increase (attributable to increase cost of renting bee colonies) of less than 3 cents a pound.

    CCD is a problem, but one that is well in hand. The only crisis is that there is taxpayer money that some researcher somewhere wants to do a study, and they haven't gotten it yet.

    1. Re:Perhaps the reason nobody is getting worked up by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The price of queen bees, which can apparently be produced on demand very quickly, hasn't gone up appreciably.

      As compared to when? It has in fact gone up significantly. Queen-rearing is non-trivial. It's not turnkey; not everyone can even accomplish it.

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  21. Why by koan · · Score: 1

    It's pesticides.

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    1. Re:Why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jesus, such ignorance. There's no such thing as a "pesticide". Herbicides kill plants and do nothing to insects. Insecticides kill insects but do nothing to plants or mammals. There are chemicals that mammals and birds avoid that have no effect on insects or weeds.

      Insecticides, herbicides, .22 long rifle bullets for rabbits and squirrels (a big problem in crops) are all "pesticides." You would have been more accurate simply saying "chemicals" despite the fact that water, table salt, and oxygen are all chemicals. At least "chemicals" excludes firearms.

  22. Why more research, we already know! by ohnocitizen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seeing a lot of comments espousing the sentiment that we already know the answer, so this won't help. They each claim a different answer. Which one is having the most impact? Is it a combination? Is there something out there we are using that is doing damage we don't yet see? Are any proposed ideas problematic?

    The fact is - more research always helps - so long as it is not taken as an excuse for inaction when known issues are present. Glad to see work is being done to further understand the problem, and I hope the diverse reasons cited in the comments for this article are taken seriously and addressed before it is too late.

  23. Insecticide by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    It is weird we need to gather data to discover that insecticids kills insects, and that bees are insects.

    1. Re:Insecticide by ApplePy · · Score: 1

      You'd think that'd be obvious enough even for /.ers who are usually "too smart" for the obvious.

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  24. Would help, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would consider helping, but I can just see this hive filling up with killer bees here in Texas and opening myself up for a law suit when someone gets attacked. And further, with the multitude of laws that have been past, is it even legal to own a hive without some kind of hugely expensive license today?

    1. Re:Would help, but... by ApplePy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Killer" or Africanized honeybees are not as big a problem as the mass media made them out to be. The solution turns out to be rather interesting.

      Africanized bees like different dimensions in their hives -- smaller boxes, less space between frames. They're angry in European-sized bee equipment, but give them homes they're comfortable with, and their "killer" behavior goes away. Colonies of Africanized bees can be re-queened with gentler European queens, too.

      In Brazil, the Africanized bee is considered to have been re-domesticated this way, and it's only a matter of time before it's the case everywhere.

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    2. Re:Would help, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your killing the queen and replacing her with a gentler breed then you dont have africanized bees anymore

    3. Re:Would help, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your killing the queen and replacing her with a gentler breed then you dont have africanized bees anymore

      Fucking illiterates, what are they doing at slashdot? If you don't know the difference between the contraction for "you are" and the posessive "your" you are too fucking ignorant for me to have a conversation about nerdy subjects with. Please get the fuck off of slashdot and back to Highlights for Children until you learn to read and write, you fucking retards.

    4. Re:Would help, but... by Some_Llama · · Score: 1

      is this because their eyes are dimensionally smaller as well? I always thought the reason wasps/bees make octagonal compartments are because their eyes see in that way, would make sense if their eyes didn't line up the the compartments...

  25. New study what's killing the bees; future of ag by Paul+Fernhout · · Score: 5, Informative

    http://qz.com/107970/scientists-discover-whats-killing-the-bees-and-its-worse-than-you-thought/
    http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0070182#authcontrib
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    Scientists had struggled to find the trigger for so-called Colony Collapse Disorder (CCD) that has wiped out an estimated 10 million beehives, worth $2 billion, over the past six years. Suspects have included pesticides, disease-bearing parasites and poor nutrition. But in a first-of-its-kind study published today in the journal PLOS ONE, scientists at the University of Maryland and the US Department of Agriculture have identified a witch's brew of pesticides and fungicides contaminating pollen that bees collect to feed their hives. The findings break new ground on why large numbers of bees are dying though they do not identify the specific cause of CCD, where an entire beehive dies at once.
    When researchers collected pollen from hives on the east coast pollinating cranberry, watermelon and other crops and fed it to healthy bees, those bees showed a significant decline in their ability to resist infection by a parasite called Nosema ceranae. The parasite has been implicated in Colony Collapse Disorder though scientists took pains to point out that their findings do not directly link the pesticides to CCD. The pollen was contaminated on average with nine different pesticides and fungicides though scientists discovered 21 agricultural chemicals in one sample. Scientists identified eight ag chemicals associated with increased risk of infection by the parasite.
    Most disturbing, bees that ate pollen contaminated with fungicides were three times as likely to be infected by the parasite. Widely used, fungicides had been thought to be harmless for bees as they're designed to kill fungus, not insects, on crops like apples.
    "There's growing evidence that fungicides may be affecting the bees on their own and I think what it highlights is a need to reassess how we label these agricultural chemicals," Dennis vanEngelsdorp, the study's lead author, told Quartz.
    Labels on pesticides warn farmers not to spray when pollinating bees are in the vicinity but such precautions have not applied to fungicides. ...
    Bee populations are so low in the US that it now takes 60% of the countryâ(TM)s surviving colonies just to pollinate one California crop, almonds. And thatâ(TM)s not just a west coast problemâ"California supplies 80% of the worldâ(TM)s almonds, a market worth $4 billion.
    ----

    This has been so obvious for many many years to the organic faring community... It is just another negative externality of conventional farming practice, and another example of market failure to account for systemic risk.
    http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/162375-whos-killing-the-bees-new-study-implicates-virtually-every-facet-of-modern-farming

    In general, safety studies are almost never done (including for human health) on *combinations* of chemicals (including human medicines). And studies of health effects of individual chemical's health affects often ignore secondary, tertiary, and further breakdown products.

    The future of agriculture is probably indoors powered by cheap electricity (from fusion and solar) and managed by robots (including probably pollination).
    http://www.howstuffworks.com/environmental/conservation/issues/farm-indoors.htm
    http://www.juliansimon.com/writings/Ultimate_Resource/TCHA

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    1. Re:New study what's killing the bees; future of ag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Mostly relevant until you got to the last paragraph. It's not possible to do a safety study on all plausible combinations of chemicals, even in uhamn medicine. However, the breakdown products are most certainly evaluated in safety studies. Yeah, I lost a good small molecule (can't say which or for what, obviously) to that. So much for that Christmas bonus.

    2. Re:New study what's killing the bees; future of ag by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      It's kind of obvious that Bees are being killed off with "death by a thousand cuts." Whether it be the GM pesticides built into plants, or some other toxin we find in the pollen -- the point is; we have too many knives.

      In our "profit only" driven system, we have to prove a specific cause to shut down a specific product. It will take decades to prove a specific cause -- and meanwhile, someone will come out with a new GM product or pesticide and yet another knife.

      The number of fingers being pointed will outnumber the bees before too long.

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    3. Re:New study what's killing the bees; future of ag by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      TL;DR

      AIDS patients die because of Pneumonia or a host of rare diseases that do not kill off healthy people. Bees die off due to parasites, diseases, and many maladies that do not kill healthy bees.

      So our current unnatural pesticide and GM farming practices are causing Bees to die by opportunistic infections and parasites that are natural. Studies can make the problem look really complicated if we don't look at the system as a whole.

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  26. google this phrase: by wherrera · · Score: 1

    "monsanto treats seeds with systemic insecticide"

  27. Re:An insecticide-infection connection in bee colo by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Problem is CCD happens on organic farms and in countries where neonicotinoids are banned. In Australia, and large parts of Canada where these insecticides are widely used they DON'T have CCD.

    The fact of the matter is that this is a witch hunt, and lots of innocents are being burnt on no reliable evidence.

    But what the heck. Science be damned we KNOW it's the fault of some greedy company somewhere.

  28. The whole "we're going to lose all the honeybees!" by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    ...thing takes on a much less catastrophic feel when you recognize that honeybees are an INVASIVE SPECIES, and that this continent was perfectly-well vegetated without them.

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  29. Great post - thanks! by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    Great post - thanks. This is what makes Slashdot such a great site.

    1. Re:Great post - thanks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is what makes Slashdot such a great site.

      Not all the snarky grammar nazis and pedants? Huh.

  30. I would think Slashdot would be more aware of EMF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anybody else notice that the decline in bees is directly proportional to the proliferation of cellular networks and other electromagnetic interference?

    Resonance Beings of Frequency

    Simple experiment: put the base of a cordless phone in the hive and presto - instant collapse.

  31. Seriously, a CNC is needed? by LoRdTAW · · Score: 1

    I'll just go down to my shop and use my Northwood dual table CNC router and start milling right away. Oh wait, sold that business a decade ago. Never mind. I know! I'll just go ask my neighbor to borrow their CNC router for a few hours..... Darn. I asked my neighbor to use their CNC router and he called the police. He also looked scared and confused. Maybe I need to ask a beekeeper since obviously the project is aimed at beekeepers who all seem to have CNC machines.

    Sometimes the maker community can be dumber than a bag of hammers. If they want a simple open source beehive then sit down with a few good episodes of The New Yankee Workshop and draw up plans someone can download in PDF and follow using a minimal amount of power and hand tools. Many people have power tools and easy access to cheap woodworking tools at home improvement centers. Hell many people already have basic woodworking tools they bought for home improvement projects or to build that table they always wanted to build but never get around to. Most of the work can be done using hand tools. A router should be the most expensive tool needed. The electronics should be bundled as a kit and come pre assembled ready for installation.

    Its a nice design but not enough people will be interested if the CNC part sits between them and a hive. Some will say then find a shop with a CNC and they will do it for you. You could but I bet that shop will charge you a nice "affordable" hourly machine rate and possibly charge for setup and tooling. If they think the design needs to be so complex a CNC is needed then sell the thing as a knocked down kit like Ikea. Might be a little costly but that is when you realize its a stupid idea and that people have been making beehives out of wood by hand for years.

    1. Re:Seriously, a CNC is needed? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      home laser/routing cnc's are now more popular than ever...

      also cnc shops are cheaper than ever for such work.

      if you want to bother with the hand tools https://www.google.com/search?q=beehive+plans&oq=beehive+plans&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.1579j0j4&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

      though, knowing bees, some twigs in a barrel with 3 holes would work just fine.

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    2. Re:Seriously, a CNC is needed? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      also cnc shops are cheaper than ever for such work.

      They are not in fact cheaper than whipping out a hand saw. You can build a beehive with ten dollars in tools: pencil, saw, and hammer.

      There is some debate on what the best shape for a beehive is, though. It's fairly conclusively not square, from the bees' point of view. They can make a hive almost anywhere, but what is optimal?

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  32. Mesh network sounds like a bad idea. by speckman · · Score: 0

    I'm not sure if these are equipped with wireless transmitters, but "mesh network" sounds like it. I think that's a pretty bad idea. Wireless communication is one possible culprit for this thing. There's some evidence that these signals are disrupting a whole lot of plant life, for instance, and bees are pretty nuts with their quantum dance they do, the magnetic fields they sense and create. If you're going to put wireless transmission on these, maybe run a cable to a hundred feet away and use directional antennas. I suppose you could do controls without the wireless gear, but I would bet that the colonies with internet hubs broadcasting in their midst are not going to do so well. :) Seriously.

    Oh, post right above me just pointed this out. Beat me to it. :)

    1. Re:Mesh network sounds like a bad idea. by justthinkit · · Score: 1

      I came here to post the same thing. Check out "Resonance: Beings Of Frequency". A study mentioned in that documentary said that a simple DECT (cordless) phone placed in a hive was enough to drive away & keep away the bees.

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  33. Re:An insecticide-infection connection in bee colo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Except for the fact that bees are shipped globally now. Always working, eventually a few of them hit a red light district, well you know the result of that. The question is, why the f are bees allowed to be transported globally? Yes globally, Australia to the U.S., U.S. to China and back again, U.S. to S. America and back again. WTF? People pretend it's just a local guy with a few hives that are being affected. No, once again it's mega corporations doing the damage. Once again it's not good enough to make a decent living, no we have to f.ing corner the market, destroy the little guy. Like all things in this "global economy" it's gotten out of hand. Sometimes things shouldn't be transported around the world multiple times every year and expect to stay healthy. Bees are one of them.

  34. Re:The whole "we're going to lose all the honeybee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, but to be fair, a lot of our crops aren't entirely native to this continent either.

  35. CNC milling ? by vikingpower · · Score: 3, Informative

    That is not how beehives are made. I should know, I grew up as the son of a beekeeper. It is the "CNC milling" part in this initiative that may make it fail. Beekeepers have other things to do, and are often too money-stretched, than to invest in such equipment.

    Thing is, already 35 years ago the first waves of Varroa mite swept over Europe and killed a bazillion beehives all over the continent. And we still don't have any insight into what CCD exactly is, what combination of factors it is caused by, what factors favorize it. We just and only gained some insight into how Varroa spreads. Apis carnica has hard times ahead...

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  36. Statistics! - in Europe they do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have hardly seen any wild bee this summer. Once I have seen tenths of them every day. How did you translate an abundance of bees in your particular area to "wild bees not disappearing"?

  37. Did anyone ask the bees? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure the bees don't care if the hive is GPL licensed or not :(

    And if they do, do they actually agree with the terms?

  38. hivetool.net by village+fool · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Folks, check out hivetool.net and hivetool.org. We've been putting sensors in hives for about three years - have about 15 on-line in the southeast US and California. We desperately need DBAs and programmers to help with some of the software tools. I work for a commercial beekeeper in the southeast US. We run about 2000 hives. Last fall we had our first experience with colony collapse. A brief description can bee seen at hivetool.org/cc When you troubleshoot a system that was working, whether it's hardware or software, the first thing you do is undo the last thing you did. In this case it could be the introduction of Neonicitinoids. The EU has banned them for a few years. This is similar legislation in the US: The save the American Pollinators Act of 2013, HR 2692 This is a real problem that is starting to affect the food supply - seen the the price of almonds this year? And yes, we probably have seen this before in the late 1800s- only it was called Disappearing Disease or Dwindling Off. Guess what insecticide was used then?

  39. Re:I would think Slashdot would be more aware of E by village+fool · · Score: 1

    I have not noticed this. We have a yard at the base of a cell phone tower used by 4 carriers - no problems. I've been putting old desktop MBs under hives for about 3 years, complete with switch mode power supplies and hard drives, some with Wi-Fi, some with ethernet - no problems. I think what you are referring to was one poorly designed experiment where the cordless phone base was placed in the hive. If it did cause the hive to collapse, it was probably the magnetic field from the transformer in the base, not the RF.

  40. Re:An insecticide-infection connection in bee colo by fatphil · · Score: 1

    There are drug company representatives (Bayer, Monsanto) behind some of the "pesticides are almost certainly fucking things up" reports:

    http://www.setac.org/resource/resmgr/publications_and_resources/executivesummarypollinators_.pdf?hhSearchTerms=SETAC+and+Pellston+and+Workshop

    Of course, maybe their boss' boss' boss doesn't know about this yet, which is why they're still in a job.

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  41. Priorities by Psychophrenes · · Score: 1

    the disappearance of honeybees could cause the United States to lose $15 billion worth of crops

    That's of course the main thing we should worry about: the US losing money...

    1. Re:Priorities by Bucc5062 · · Score: 1

      how about the associated hunger that may go along with that money loss. How about the alteration of essential dietary needs as food becomes costlier and less diverse. I am not interested in a Soylent diet. Money is just the surface.

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    2. Re: Priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Currency is the only easy mechanism of quantifying the magnitude of the loss. Those crops have different measures of quantities (even if they sometimes use the same word).

  42. monsasnto hokum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    my local beekeepers that i know from farmers markets are having no colony collapse

    the bees die after being carted around from field to field with pesticides.

    gee.... how would you feel if your house were put on a flatbed and taken down highways to varied and poisonous realestate?

  43. Stupid Hipster Horseshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Yet another save the planet cause. - Check
    2. Open source. - Check
    3. Excessively convoluted "solution" incorporating lots of completely impractical style. - Check
    4. Completely impractical result does little or nothing to address the issue(see 1.). - Check
    5. Unjustifiable feel-good backslapping and self congratulatory self promotion. - Check

    Let's get real. There is no need for "open source" beehive plans. Beehives are extremely simple boxes and frames and the plans are already widely and freely available, if you couldn't figure it out yourself in 2 minutes.

    Plywood? Even with linseed oil, that ain't gonna last.

    A CNC machine to make a beehive? Really?!

    How many people, more than one, are actually required to make a beehive?

    How long did this ONE beehive take to make?

    How does one transport(you know you need to move the hive around, right?) multiples of these open source hives?

    This entire thing is stupid hipster horseshit. You wanna be a beekeeper, start here or here. You wanna bee a hipster, go to Starbuck, ya douche.

    1. Re:Stupid Hipster Horseshit by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      (you know you need to move the hive around, right?)

      Are you basing that on beekeeping fact, or just on the fact that you found a picture of a truck full of beehives, which only suggests that one guy once had a reason to move a lot of beehives?

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  44. Misleading statistic by wcrowe · · Score: 1

    The summary states that a third of honeybees vanished last year. While this is correct, it is misleading. Bees are lost every year, usually over the winter. This is normal. From TFA: "Annual losses from the winter of 2006-2011 averaged about 33 percent each year, with a third of these losses attributed to CCD by beekeepers." So, only a third of the losses are attributed to CCD. The other two thirds are normal losses. CCD is a serious problem, but it is not as huge as the summary makes it out to be.

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    1. Re:Misleading statistic by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      It seems the honeybee crowd only ever want to talk about winter losses or mortality rates, not yearly peak or average population.

      Clearly honeybee numbers are actually on the rise, but they don't want us to know about it!

      And I for one...

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  45. Re:An insecticide-infection connection in bee colo by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

    It's too farfetched to think that industrial farming and the use of GM modification in plants to imbed pesticides might actually have COLLATERAL DAMAGE?

    However, I think we need a citation for this widespread proof you are seeing. There's not a lot of places anymore where there are no GM crops which are likely more a key player than the pesticides.

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  46. Argh! by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1
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  47. Fact by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When saving the world, or at least saving the world's bees, one must maximize bee colony growth and production/reproduction. That means keeping them warm or at least from freezing, keeping them fed, maintaining some diversity, protecting them from predators/pests and disease, and more. Most, if not all, of these things is best facilitated by moving the hives.

    Maximizing production requires moving hives. You do want to save the world, don't you?

  48. Problem found already? by dragon-file · · Score: 1

    I could be mistaken, but i remember hearing somewhere that scientists discovered the cause of this problem. Something to do with a small worm that was incubating in their brains and as it grew larger and more mature it would literally drive the bee insane. The bee would then fly away from the hive to die as its brain was being reamed out by this parasite.

    I could be entirely mistaken, but that's what I heard.

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  49. Re:An insecticide-infection connection in bee colo by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

    No, it is not farfetched to think there might be problems with any particular artifact of technology. Everything you do in life has positives and negatives.

    However it is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE to just go and place blame on something for a problem without having any real evidence, and in fact in the presence of evidence to the contrary.

    This is exactly what happened during the Salem witch trials. It's what happened to vaccines and why we are now getting measles outbreaks in he US when measles used to be considered eradicated.

    There is a process to finding a right answer. We know what that process is. But NOoooOOOoo. Just because we have some preconceived idea that GMO is bad we go and blame it for any and all perceived ills WITHOUT having evidence that it is indeed the source of the problem.

    This sort of crap is what leads to the scientific frauds perpetrated by people like Seralini and Wakefield.

    Sorry, but you can't run a technological civilization like that.

    If you are going to behave like that you might as well ban fire and go back to living in dark unheated caves and eating your food raw.

  50. Re:An insecticide-infection connection in bee colo by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

    How do you think honey bees got the US in the first place?

    THEY ARE NOT NATIVE.

    The Pilgrims brought them. They have been shipped globally for FIVE HUNDRED YEARS.

    No native American plants require bees for pollination.

    Crikey how about some basic knowledge people.

  51. Re:An insecticide-infection connection in bee colo by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

    Bayer doesn't care much about pesticides. Monsanto would prefer you buy their bullshit-ready genetically modified seeds, which oddly enough could be a good future movement: plants modified to be more resistant to pests, rather than simply poisonous or coated in poison. Faster growth, harder stems, and softer leaves would attract pests to the leaves rather than the fruit.

  52. GNU/Bees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    :P

    rmzzzzzzzzzzzz

  53. FTFY by drainbramage · · Score: 2

    No native American plants require honey bees for pollination..
    Many native American plants require do require bees for pollination but the imported (and possibly undocumented) European bees just don't do the job.
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  54. From ILEAPS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Evidence that in 2010 alone, over the Ohio skies, there was dumped more than 4,000 tons of aluminum, sprayed into the atmosphere for various projects including a net of electronic protection from the powereful sun's radiation that is a problem for the aeronautics electronics and a plethora of others excuses. Maybe, researchers should start there. My water supplier has told me they are not even required to test for aluminum in the water they supply everyone. I have heard politicians stating that aluminum is benign in the environment and I am pretty sure that was not true or scientifically researched. It is a scientific fact that aluminum affects the synopses of normal human brain function even leading to diseases such as Alzheimers and Dementia. Perhaps, the bees are forgetting what used to come natural to them for their own natural habitat's survival because of the pollutants purposely being dumped in OUR skies.

  55. That design is crap by RichiH · · Score: 1

    Sorry, but it's crap:

    * Uses plywood instead of wood that's naturally resistant to water and insects, line white pine (pinus strobus)
    * That build wastes a huge sheet of wood instead of starting with small pieces. That's a waste
    * Need for CNC
    * Insanely complex build
    * Angled roof, resulting in bad support for the hive
    * No room to extend the hive to harvest honey
    * No immediately obvious way to access the hive from below
    ** No way to check on bees to see if they are all right
    ** No way to deploy stuff that kills varroa destructor

    There's a German non-profit called Bienenkiste.de (literally "bee box"). It's a simply, sturdy design that went through over a decade of improvements and incorporates feedback from professionals. Honey yield is 1/2-1/3 of that what the same hive would get with traditional hives, but they are a lot less work and the bees are in a more natural state. This means that the bees are so relaxed, I can do all my work on the hive without smoke or protective equipment.

    http://www.bienenkiste.de/doku/bauanleitung/ for instructions. Translate into English, the pictures and videos should be largely self-explanatory.

  56. Surely you mean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I want to be bee