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Engineering the Perfect Coffee Mug

Nerval's Lobster writes "From the annals of Really Important Science comes word that a research assistant who picked up his B.S. just seven months ago has invented a coffee mug designed to keep java at just the right piping-hot temperature for hours. Logan Maxwell, who got his undergraduate degree in chemical engineering from North Carolina State University in May, created the "Temperfect" mug as part of his senior design project for the College of Engineering. Most insulated mugs have two walls separated by a soft vacuum that insulates the temperature of a liquid inside from the temperature of the air outside. Maxwell's design has a third layer of insulation in a third wall wrapped around the inner basin of the mug. Inside is a chemical insulator that is solid at room temperature but melts into a liquid at 140 degrees Fahrenheit. The insulator – which Maxwell won't identify but swears is non-toxic – turns to liquid as it absorbs the extra heat of coffee poured into the mug at temperatures higher than 140 F, cooling it to a drinkable temperature quickly. As the heat of the coffee escapes, the insulating material releases heat through the inner wall of the mug to keep it hot as long as possible; a graph mapping the performance of a prototype shows it could keep a cup of coffee at between 128 F and 145 F for as long as 90 minutes. "Phase-change" coffee-mug insulation was patented during the 1960s, but has never been marketed because they are difficult and expensive to manufacture compared to simpler forms of insulation. While working on the Temperfect design, Maxwell met Belgian-born industrial designer Dean Verhoeven, president of consulting form Ancona Research, Inc., who had been working on a similar design and had already worked out how to manufacture a three-walled insulated mug cost effectively. The two co-founded a company called Joevo to manufacture the mugs." According to the Joevo Kickstarter page, you can get one starting at $40. For that much, I'd like a clever lid like this Contigo has.

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  1. Coffee Joulies in a mug by stevel · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is just the same approach as Coffee Joulies, which is a former Kickstarter project. I have a bunch of these, they work well. No need for a custom mug.

    1. Re:Coffee Joulies in a mug by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is just the same approach as Coffee Joulies, which is a former Kickstarter project. I have a bunch of these, they work well. No need for a custom mug.

      Sometimes the reason for having is in the having, not in the utility. Any geek knows this.

      If Apple sold an insulated iMug people would queue up for it. You know this to be true.

      they'd also be suing samsung for patent infringement with their damnable galaxy adro-mug

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    2. Re:Coffee Joulies in a mug by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's actually not. All the Joulies do is act like a thermal mass that takes "excess" heat from the coffee to heat them up (cooling the coffee) and then just make the cooldown process slower due to the extra heat capacity provided by the Joulies.

      As noted in the summary and on the Kickstarter page, these mugs use a phase change material to absorb the extra heat and basically play it back as the coffee would otherwise cool.

      Another very common phase change material is ice and the behavior is very similar but in reverse. Ice absorbs heat to melt but does so at a fairly constant temperature (and also dilutes the drink). The drink holds temperature at "around" 32 degrees until the ice melts and then it warms up.

      The mugs use the excess heat to melt the phase change material and then as the coffee/tea cools, the phase change material gives up that heat as it re-solidifies.

      Joulies at room temperature will cool drinks already at perfect temperature even though you might not want them to. The phase change material simply won't melt or won't melt much. While you will still lose some heat to it, presumably the thermal mass is much lower than that of the Joulies. Or hopefully it is. If so, then the phase change material will really only substantially cool drinks above the melting temperature while not cooling drinks below that temperature (with the caveats above).

      Not the same approach at all.

    3. Re:Coffee Joulies in a mug by jcochran · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sorry, but it's EXACTLY the same approach. As others have mentioned, this mug works like coffee joulies does. And interestingly enough, the paraffin wax that coffee joulies uses melts at 140 degrees Fahrenheit. I would be extremely surprised if Logan Maxwell wasn't also using paraffin. It's cheap, readily available, and non-toxic. The only thing different is the extra layer of insulation around the cup.

    4. Re:Coffee Joulies in a mug by weilawei · · Score: 2

      Can I get mine with a peltier cooler and USB^H^H^HLightning port?

  2. I'll wait for the MSDS/Patent Filing by weilawei · · Score: 2

    The insulator – which Maxwell won't identify but swears is non-toxic

    I think this is a case where it most certainly needs to be disclosed in an MSDS and/or patent filing (though more likely in the MSDS, as the patent filing is allowed to be vague).

    1. Re:I'll wait for the MSDS/Patent Filing by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      The insulator – which Maxwell won't identify but swears is non-toxic

      I think this is a case where it most certainly needs to be disclosed in an MSDS and/or patent filing (though more likely in the MSDS, as the patent filing is allowed to be vague).

      I dunno. I have a Sigg insulated drink bottle, which holds 1L and if I pour hot green tea into it, it will still be hot the next day. Larges contributing factor in coffee cooling in a cup has to be surface area at the top. Evaporation takes energy with it, so minimize exposure at the top and your coffee will stay hot longer.

      Rather like those dang travel mugs where I can't drink the hot coffee for about an hour after I bought it >:(

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    2. Re:I'll wait for the MSDS/Patent Filing by weilawei · · Score: 2

      I've never seen a Sigg bottle--do they also use a chemical insulator which changes phases and could potentially mix with the beverage? A bit of research on my part suggested that what DavidClarkeHR said is likely to also be true in the US, as consumer products are exempted from requiring MSDS's unless it's part of an employees function to handle some chemical. Amusingly, the FDA also states that any product emitting "any type of radiation" is under their purview. I wonder if they've ever heard of black-body radiation. (I know, now I'm just being ridiculous.)

      I'm just worried about this miracle material that he refuses to disclose that might potentially wind up mixed with my coffee. The first person with an allergy to it is going to make headlines.

  3. I have a near perfect one... by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Funny

    It holds 800ml.

    If you need insulation, you are drinking it too slow.

    perhaps the ability to add an iv-drip

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    1. Re:I have a near perfect one... by Antipater · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Personally, the "cools it quickly to a drinkable temp" was the biggest attraction for me. I have to put a single ice cube in my mug when I use the coffee machine here at work, or else I have to wait twenty minutes so I don't scald myself.

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    2. Re:I have a near perfect one... by icebike · · Score: 2

      That would be a work place risk, probably already covered by OSHA.
      If you want to get everyone pissed off, just file an OSHA complaint. They will descend on your workplace and find fault with everything from the floor tile to the overhead lights.

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  4. Wrong shape by dohzer · · Score: 2

    It's too tall and thin; it will tip over easily (not that it matters if it has a spill-proof lid, but still...).

  5. No wonder the world hates us. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A $40 coffee mug. Come here and let me slap you.

  6. Not ... exactly. by DavidClarkeHR · · Score: 2

    This is just the same approach as Coffee Joulies, which is a former Kickstarter project. I have a bunch of these, they work well. No need for a custom mug.

    Well, it's not quite the same as coffee joulies, for a number of reasons.

    First, it's integrated/built in.
    Second, well ... you won't lose the integrated joulies.
    Third... uh ... different name.

    Seriously though, this is just an improvement on the thermos. A fancy improvement, and it might even be more effective ... but it's not breaking new ground.

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    1. Re:Not ... exactly. by vux984 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seriously though, this is just an improvement on the thermos. A fancy improvement, and it might even be more effective ... but it's not breaking new ground.

      Nothing that hits the shelves as a consumer product is ever 'breaking new ground'. Its always standing on the shoulders of what came before; and has already cut its teeth in niche markets that needed and could afford the high early adopter price for research and development for the incremental improvement over what was already out there.

  7. Sunk cost by istartedi · · Score: 5, Funny

    It'll never sell to me. There are sunk costs involved. I have too much engineering invested in non-linear coffee consumption as cheap mugs and paper cups lose heat. Slowly at first, with much intake of the aroma. Then cautious sips, then normal sips, then fairly heavy consumption somewhere between 1/2 and 2/3rd of the way down. It ain't broke. I'm not fixing it. It works anywhere. No need to buy an expensive mug, take it with me everywhere, wash it, and worry about losing it.

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    1. Re:Sunk cost by weilawei · · Score: 4, Informative
      A sunk cost is something you walk away from. That's why it's sunk. It shouldn't influence your future behavior. Continuing to throw money at it is known as "throwing good money after bad".

      In economics and business decision-making, a sunk cost is a retrospective (past) cost that has already been incurred and cannot be recovered. Sunk costs are sometimes contrasted with prospective costs, which are future costs that may be incurred or changed if an action is taken.

      In traditional microeconomic theory, only prospective (future) costs are relevant to an investment decision. Traditional economics proposes that economic actors should not let sunk costs influence their decisions. Doing so would not be rationally assessing a decision exclusively on its own merits.

      Sunk costs should not affect the rational decision-maker's best choice. However, until a decision-maker irreversibly commits resources, the prospective cost is an avoidable future cost and is properly included in any decision-making processes.

      Evidence from behavioral economics suggests this theory fails to predict real-world behavior. Sunk costs do, in fact, influence actors' decisions because humans are prone to loss aversion and framing effects.

  8. Re:disadvantage... by Dahamma · · Score: 2

    Wait, what does the time of day have to do with thermodynamics? If the coffee and insulating material are both heated to the same temperature then there is no way it would cool things down *more* quickly than if there were no insulation at all. Especially if you rinse the mug out with some hot water first to add some heat to the system before putting the coffee in. There is no disadvantage to this system...

  9. The Insulator is Spam by Hillgiant · · Score: 5, Funny

    The unnamed insulator is Spam. Not sure if that makes it toxic or non-toxic, though.

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  10. Re:Mystery Material Is Probably Gallium by thatseattleguy · · Score: 4, Informative

    All good, except; gallium is hella expensive. And very very dense, therefore very heavy.
    My money is on good old-fashioned paraffin wax, which (at least in the bulk candle variety that I bought in my hippie candle-making days) melts at exactly 140F.
    Cheap and food-grade (it coats many candy items) and pretty light.

  11. Re:Writing comprehension fail by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 3, Informative

    Any quantity over one is plural, including 1.5 hours. For that matter, while fractions between zero and one are generally written in the singular form (1/2 hour), the equivalent decimal forms are typically plural (0.5 hours). Zero is always plural. Really, the only quantity guaranteed to use the singular form is exactly one.

    That said, you're correct that the quantity-free "hours" would generally imply at least two hours, regardless of the fact that 90 minutes converted to hours would be written with a plural. That's because it doesn't include potential fractions of an hour, only whole numbers.

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  12. Beeswax? by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 2

    My guess is the mystery insulator material is beeswax. At least, the temperatures are about right, it's non-toxic, and doesn't oxidize AFAIK.

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  13. Re:Mystery Material Is Probably Gallium by jcochran · · Score: 2

    Sorry, but a melting point of 30C is entirely too low. That's about 85F and that is the temperature that the cup of coffee would be soon brought down to until all of the gallium melted. The 140F ( 60C) temperature mentioned points towards paraffin wax which is commonly used as a phase change material for maintaining temperatures http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraffin_wax#Properties

  14. Re:disadvantage... by mythosaz · · Score: 3, Informative

    As others have pointed you - you missed the point.

    It cools to 140, and then holds near 140 for as long as possible, because 140 is the optimal coffee temperature -- or so sayeth the coffee gods.

    That said, I spent a lot of time explaining to people with the "new aluminum beer bottles" that "gets cold faster!" also means "gets warm faster" for all the same reasons.

  15. Pfft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    What a piker.

    Just line your coffee mug with plutonium. That'll keep it warm.

  16. Fuck it, we're going to five layers by Overzeetop · · Score: 2

    I called it.

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  17. Re:espresso? by chromas · · Score: 2

    Urine coming out at over 140 degrees may be a health concern.

  18. Cool... or hot? by koan · · Score: 2

    I just set my ceramic mug on top of my Apple Airport, that seems to keep it warm.

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  19. No one taking coffee seriously should buy this... by PineGreen · · Score: 2

    This is precisely one thing that irks me about living in the US. People get the coffee culture completely wrong, they even say things like "let's grab a coffee". In civilized countries, you never *walk* around with a coffee. You sit down, spend 10 focused minutes on an espresso and maybe conversation and then go on doing things with both hands. Walking around holding some significant fraction of gallon of coffee is just pointless - you get gorilla arm, you never enjoy coffee and you never enjoy a real break.

  20. Re:No one taking coffee seriously should buy this. by weilawei · · Score: 2

    A slightly more subtle than glaringly obvious example of the No True Scotsman fallacy.

  21. Re:Mystery Material Is Probably Gallium by dbIII · · Score: 2

    It's listed as a material that is in food so I'd say not.
    Heavily salted bacon grease? Coconut oil/Copha? Any ideas for something that's going to last and melts at 60C?

    As for basic thermo - look for a binary phase diagram for an alloy between two metals of different melting points. There will be some compositions where the melting point is higher than that of the one with the lower melting points. Tin-Lead is a good one to look for, you'll notice that with a lot of tin the melting point is higher than that of Lead.

  22. Re:Mystery Material Is Probably Gallium by weilawei · · Score: 2

    Gallium has a molar heat of fusion of 5.59 kJ/mol and a mass of 69.723 g/mol. Paraffin (we're going with C31H64, or, hentriacontane here) has a median molar heat of fusion of 21 kJ/mol, and a mass of ((12.017 * 31) + (1.00794 * 64)) = 437.04 g/mol. If we take 437.04 / 69.723 = 6.2682, we see that we can have 6.2682 moles of Gallium for the same mass as paraffin. This leaves us with 5.59 * 6.2682 = 35.0 kJ of energy absorbed for the same mass of ~437g versus 21 kJ for paraffin. Gallium has a density of 5.904 g/cm^3, and Paraffin has a density of 0.781g/cm^3, therefore the gallium will not only absorb more heat, but also be substantially denser, to the tune of about 7.5x denser than paraffin. So, for 437g of gallium, we'll occupy 74 cm^3, and for 437g of paraffin, we'll occupy 559.5 cm^3.

    It's been around 7 years since I took a chemistry course; I'd appreciate corrections on mistakes.

  23. Re:disadvantage... by John.Banister · · Score: 2

    Wait, what does the time of day have to do with thermodynamics?

    Thermodynamics is already being blamed for the heat death of the universe, even though that hasn't happened yet. It tends to drink a lot, which can leave it hung over in the morning sometimes.