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Engineering the Perfect Coffee Mug

Nerval's Lobster writes "From the annals of Really Important Science comes word that a research assistant who picked up his B.S. just seven months ago has invented a coffee mug designed to keep java at just the right piping-hot temperature for hours. Logan Maxwell, who got his undergraduate degree in chemical engineering from North Carolina State University in May, created the "Temperfect" mug as part of his senior design project for the College of Engineering. Most insulated mugs have two walls separated by a soft vacuum that insulates the temperature of a liquid inside from the temperature of the air outside. Maxwell's design has a third layer of insulation in a third wall wrapped around the inner basin of the mug. Inside is a chemical insulator that is solid at room temperature but melts into a liquid at 140 degrees Fahrenheit. The insulator – which Maxwell won't identify but swears is non-toxic – turns to liquid as it absorbs the extra heat of coffee poured into the mug at temperatures higher than 140 F, cooling it to a drinkable temperature quickly. As the heat of the coffee escapes, the insulating material releases heat through the inner wall of the mug to keep it hot as long as possible; a graph mapping the performance of a prototype shows it could keep a cup of coffee at between 128 F and 145 F for as long as 90 minutes. "Phase-change" coffee-mug insulation was patented during the 1960s, but has never been marketed because they are difficult and expensive to manufacture compared to simpler forms of insulation. While working on the Temperfect design, Maxwell met Belgian-born industrial designer Dean Verhoeven, president of consulting form Ancona Research, Inc., who had been working on a similar design and had already worked out how to manufacture a three-walled insulated mug cost effectively. The two co-founded a company called Joevo to manufacture the mugs." According to the Joevo Kickstarter page, you can get one starting at $40. For that much, I'd like a clever lid like this Contigo has.

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  1. Coffee Joulies in a mug by stevel · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is just the same approach as Coffee Joulies, which is a former Kickstarter project. I have a bunch of these, they work well. No need for a custom mug.

    1. Re:Coffee Joulies in a mug by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is just the same approach as Coffee Joulies, which is a former Kickstarter project. I have a bunch of these, they work well. No need for a custom mug.

      Sometimes the reason for having is in the having, not in the utility. Any geek knows this.

      If Apple sold an insulated iMug people would queue up for it. You know this to be true.

      they'd also be suing samsung for patent infringement with their damnable galaxy adro-mug

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    2. Re:Coffee Joulies in a mug by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's actually not. All the Joulies do is act like a thermal mass that takes "excess" heat from the coffee to heat them up (cooling the coffee) and then just make the cooldown process slower due to the extra heat capacity provided by the Joulies.

      As noted in the summary and on the Kickstarter page, these mugs use a phase change material to absorb the extra heat and basically play it back as the coffee would otherwise cool.

      Another very common phase change material is ice and the behavior is very similar but in reverse. Ice absorbs heat to melt but does so at a fairly constant temperature (and also dilutes the drink). The drink holds temperature at "around" 32 degrees until the ice melts and then it warms up.

      The mugs use the excess heat to melt the phase change material and then as the coffee/tea cools, the phase change material gives up that heat as it re-solidifies.

      Joulies at room temperature will cool drinks already at perfect temperature even though you might not want them to. The phase change material simply won't melt or won't melt much. While you will still lose some heat to it, presumably the thermal mass is much lower than that of the Joulies. Or hopefully it is. If so, then the phase change material will really only substantially cool drinks above the melting temperature while not cooling drinks below that temperature (with the caveats above).

      Not the same approach at all.

    3. Re:Coffee Joulies in a mug by jcochran · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sorry, but it's EXACTLY the same approach. As others have mentioned, this mug works like coffee joulies does. And interestingly enough, the paraffin wax that coffee joulies uses melts at 140 degrees Fahrenheit. I would be extremely surprised if Logan Maxwell wasn't also using paraffin. It's cheap, readily available, and non-toxic. The only thing different is the extra layer of insulation around the cup.

    4. Re:Coffee Joulies in a mug by weilawei · · Score: 2

      Can I get mine with a peltier cooler and USB^H^H^HLightning port?

    5. Re:Coffee Joulies in a mug by mrclisdue · · Score: 1

      They'd also patent rounded and bevelled coffee mugs.

    6. Re:Coffee Joulies in a mug by stevel · · Score: 1

      Yep - as jcochran says,it's just a repackaging in a dedicated mug. The Joulies web site says:

      "Their polished stainless steel shells are full of a very special phase change material (an ingredient in food) that melts at 140F. When you put them in your coffee this PCM begins melting, absorbing a LOT of heat in the process and cooling your coffee down much faster than normal.

      "Where does all that heat go? It’s stored right inside your Coffee Joulies. When your coffee reaches 140F (the perfect drinking temperature) the molten PCM begins solidifying again, releasing all that energy back into your coffee to keep it at a comfortable and delicious drinking temperature. The more heat you feed your Joulies, the longer they’ll keep your coffee warm."

    7. Re:Coffee Joulies in a mug by inicom · · Score: 1

      Came to say this - the description sounds exactly like they are using a layer of wax.

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    8. Re:Coffee Joulies in a mug by bob_super · · Score: 1

      You're already getting phase change. How greedy are you?

      I'll take mine with some of these pallets generating too much heat at Fukushima.
      Not hot enough for industrial power production? Ship it here, I would save some gas.

    9. Re:Coffee Joulies in a mug by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
    10. Re:Coffee Joulies in a mug by timeOday · · Score: 1
      Hmmm.... take a look at this coffee mug:

      The two layers of porcelain, which are separated by a hollow cavity, act as a perfect insulator for hot and cold beverages and ensure that you wonâ(TM)t burn your fingers. A silicone stopper in the cupâ(TM)s base prevents water from entering the hollow cavity when washing the mug.

      So, take out the plug, fill with melted wax, replace plug, and enjoy?

    11. Re:Coffee Joulies in a mug by Splab · · Score: 1

      Well I'm not good at them fancy maths, but for $40 I can get a mug or $60 I can get them beans...

      Now the beans might work for more than one mug, however, generally I only drink one cup of coffee at a time, so to me the mug seems to make more sense.

    12. Re:Coffee Joulies in a mug by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      "wax" was the first thing that popped into my head when I read " The insulator – which Maxwell won't identify but swears is non-toxic". Not a whole lot of cheep, non toxic materials with that particular melting point out there.

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    13. Re:Coffee Joulies in a mug by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Doesn't anyone get the irony of a guy name Maxwell making Coffee?

      The best part of waking up is having Maxwell make your cup.
      Granted Maxwell coffee isn't the best coffee but still most of you growing up got the stupid song in your head.

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    14. Re:Coffee Joulies in a mug by jcsalomon · · Score: 1

      Analysis at http://www.crcweb.org/Sappirim/Sappirim%2023%20(Mar%202012).pdf suggests the wax is “is most likely palmitic acid which has a melting point of 61–64C (142–147F) or possibly myristic acid (which has a melting point of 49–58C / 120–136F)”.

    15. Re:Coffee Joulies in a mug by drkim · · Score: 1

      It could also be sodium acetate.

    16. Re:Coffee Joulies in a mug by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      That was my first guess too, but I was looking to see if someone else had the same idea.

      Checking Wikipedia, "Sodium acetate trihydrate crystals melt at 137.12ÂF / 58.4ÂC, (to 136.4ÂF / 58ÂC)"

      ... which I think leaves sodium acetate in the frame too.

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    17. Re:Coffee Joulies in a mug by drkim · · Score: 1

      ... which I think leaves sodium acetate in the frame too.

      That was my first thought when I heard the description. Especially when they mentioned the solid -> liquid transition.

    18. Re:Coffee Joulies in a mug by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Especially when they mentioned the solid -> liquid transition.

      Same applies to the paraffins too, though IIRC they've a lower specific heat of fusion.

      I recall my Dad having a wrenched wrist muscle which he had to heat treat several times a day by building up a "wax cast" onto it. Probably the waxes used there were around the right temperature range too.

      With the waxes you could adjust the useful temperature range by mixing two waxes.

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  2. I'll wait for the MSDS/Patent Filing by weilawei · · Score: 2

    The insulator – which Maxwell won't identify but swears is non-toxic

    I think this is a case where it most certainly needs to be disclosed in an MSDS and/or patent filing (though more likely in the MSDS, as the patent filing is allowed to be vague).

    1. Re:I'll wait for the MSDS/Patent Filing by DavidClarkeHR · · Score: 1

      The insulator – which Maxwell won't identify but swears is non-toxic

      I think this is a case where it most certainly needs to be disclosed in an MSDS and/or patent filing (though more likely in the MSDS, as the patent filing is allowed to be vague).

      MSDS sheets aren't required for consumer products in most places in Canada. They're a workplace 'thing'.

      Nevermind the fact you can get an exemption for 'trade secrets'.

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    2. Re:I'll wait for the MSDS/Patent Filing by ackthpt · · Score: 2

      The insulator – which Maxwell won't identify but swears is non-toxic

      I think this is a case where it most certainly needs to be disclosed in an MSDS and/or patent filing (though more likely in the MSDS, as the patent filing is allowed to be vague).

      I dunno. I have a Sigg insulated drink bottle, which holds 1L and if I pour hot green tea into it, it will still be hot the next day. Larges contributing factor in coffee cooling in a cup has to be surface area at the top. Evaporation takes energy with it, so minimize exposure at the top and your coffee will stay hot longer.

      Rather like those dang travel mugs where I can't drink the hot coffee for about an hour after I bought it >:(

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    3. Re:I'll wait for the MSDS/Patent Filing by RevWaldo · · Score: 1

      IT'S PEOPLE! Temperfect mugs are made out of people!!

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    4. Re:I'll wait for the MSDS/Patent Filing by weilawei · · Score: 2

      I've never seen a Sigg bottle--do they also use a chemical insulator which changes phases and could potentially mix with the beverage? A bit of research on my part suggested that what DavidClarkeHR said is likely to also be true in the US, as consumer products are exempted from requiring MSDS's unless it's part of an employees function to handle some chemical. Amusingly, the FDA also states that any product emitting "any type of radiation" is under their purview. I wonder if they've ever heard of black-body radiation. (I know, now I'm just being ridiculous.)

      I'm just worried about this miracle material that he refuses to disclose that might potentially wind up mixed with my coffee. The first person with an allergy to it is going to make headlines.

    5. Re:I'll wait for the MSDS/Patent Filing by icebike · · Score: 1

      If the material is separated from the beverage by the cup's inner wall, its not an FDA issue.
      It may be a CPSC issue if the inner cup was would bee thin enough to puncture easily (such as if you stir your hot chocolate), but there would seem to be no reason for a dangerously thin wall.

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    6. Re:I'll wait for the MSDS/Patent Filing by weilawei · · Score: 1

      I wasn't saying it was an FDA issue, I was saying it was amusing and I stumbled across it in the course of looking for information.

  3. I have a near perfect one... by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Funny

    It holds 800ml.

    If you need insulation, you are drinking it too slow.

    perhaps the ability to add an iv-drip

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    1. Re:I have a near perfect one... by Antipater · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Personally, the "cools it quickly to a drinkable temp" was the biggest attraction for me. I have to put a single ice cube in my mug when I use the coffee machine here at work, or else I have to wait twenty minutes so I don't scald myself.

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    2. Re:I have a near perfect one... by icebike · · Score: 2

      That would be a work place risk, probably already covered by OSHA.
      If you want to get everyone pissed off, just file an OSHA complaint. They will descend on your workplace and find fault with everything from the floor tile to the overhead lights.

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    3. Re:I have a near perfect one... by dj245 · · Score: 1

      That would be a work place risk, probably already covered by OSHA. If you want to get everyone pissed off, just file an OSHA complaint. They will descend on your workplace and find fault with everything from the floor tile to the overhead lights.

      Depends on the locality. I filed one against a summer employer for clearly unsafe activities. Common practice was to get in a clogged hopper with the conveyor underneath still running. The site supervisor advocated the practice. An extremely serious and obvious safety hazard. OSHA looked the other way.

      The company went bankrupt 2 months later.

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    4. Re:I have a near perfect one... by dontbemad · · Score: 1

      This is the reason I drink my coffee with milk. Cuts the acidity just right, and also cools it to the perfect temperature.

      Another solution (for those that frequent coffee shops) is actually specifying beverage temperatures. When I go to starbucks, for example, I order my lattes at 140 degrees. Its a bit cooler than the normal, scalding temperature, and just right for drinking right away.

  4. Wrong shape by dohzer · · Score: 2

    It's too tall and thin; it will tip over easily (not that it matters if it has a spill-proof lid, but still...).

  5. No wonder the world hates us. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A $40 coffee mug. Come here and let me slap you.

    1. Re:No wonder the world hates us. by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

      I would pay $40 for it, if I could use it to hold ice cold soda at around 35 degrees F. Is this thing reversible?

    2. Re:No wonder the world hates us. by jcochran · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, it wouldn't work. In order to get what you want, you'd need to find a phase change material with a melting point of about 35 degrees F. And even then, it's unlikely to work since the beverage you'd be pouring into the mug would be already very close to 35F and as such, there wouldn't be much or any energy transfer between the beverage and the phase change material. But if you did get such a mug, you could store it in the freezer. Then the phase change material would freeze and when you used the mug, it would keep your beverage close to 35F until all of the material melted.

  6. I don't need my coffee kept hot for hours. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I just need it hot enough until I finish drinking it.

    And having coffee sit around at 140 degree will eventually make it taste like shit.

    It's a cool design and invention, but it's one that should be applied somewhere else.

  7. Not ... exactly. by DavidClarkeHR · · Score: 2

    This is just the same approach as Coffee Joulies, which is a former Kickstarter project. I have a bunch of these, they work well. No need for a custom mug.

    Well, it's not quite the same as coffee joulies, for a number of reasons.

    First, it's integrated/built in.
    Second, well ... you won't lose the integrated joulies.
    Third... uh ... different name.

    Seriously though, this is just an improvement on the thermos. A fancy improvement, and it might even be more effective ... but it's not breaking new ground.

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    1. Re:Not ... exactly. by vux984 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seriously though, this is just an improvement on the thermos. A fancy improvement, and it might even be more effective ... but it's not breaking new ground.

      Nothing that hits the shelves as a consumer product is ever 'breaking new ground'. Its always standing on the shoulders of what came before; and has already cut its teeth in niche markets that needed and could afford the high early adopter price for research and development for the incremental improvement over what was already out there.

    2. Re:Not ... exactly. by icebike · · Score: 1

      Plus the joulies clunk around in any mug, making a fair bit of noise.
      Use them in an open topped mug and they smack you in the teeth as the mug gets emptier.
      And they displace beverage, meaning you need a refill sooner.

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    3. Re:Not ... exactly. by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1

      Two layers of insulation? Push, I have three layers!

    4. Re:Not ... exactly. by donaldm · · Score: 1

      One of the points of the article is how people like their coffee at 140 deg F (60 deg C). I would love to know how he arrived at the stats for that since people who like drinking coffee like it at varying temperatures, from "iced" coffee to hot which can be over 80 deg C (which I prefer by the way). It really depends on the drinkers preference. To me 60 deg C is insipid, still that is a personal opinion.

      To me the very idea of paying US$40 for a cup that will keep coffee at an "insipid" temperature is not appealing. In addition to that I do like tea as well and for the so called tea connoisseur (there are coffee ones as well) the temperature of the beverage is very important, which in the case of Green tea is between 70 and 80 deg C. For black tea the temperature is normally over 80 deg C.

      Usually I find a normal thermal cup/mug will keep the temperature of the beverage for a longer time than a standard ceramic cup/mug although you can buy dual walled ceramic cups/mugs for much less than US$40.00 and they do hold the temperature of the beverage for a reasonable time, of course you do have to be careful you don't burn your self. A bit of common sense applies here, however it is unfortunate that a few people don't take responsibility for their actions usually claiming that the cup/mug did not come with a warning stating that the contents of this could be hot enough to burn you :). Still I suppose 60 deg C (140 deg F) is not really going to burn people.

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    5. Re:Not ... exactly. by pedestrian+crossing · · Score: 1

      Based on my (admittedly non-scientific) testing, between 140F and 150F is the sweet spot where the coffee flavor is the most intense while still being reasonably hot. Hotter than 150, I don't taste the flavors of the coffee as much. Cooler than 140, it doesn't feel like a hot cup of coffee. YMMV...

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  8. espresso? by lisabeeren · · Score: 1

    sounds ideal for /american style/ coffee; which has been criticised for being less than perfect. espresso anyone?

    1. Re:espresso? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      coffee vs espresso is, frankly, a matter of taste. they're completely different drinks. that said, the cafe americano is an anachronistic abomination.

      and by 'american style', i'll assume you mean 'good'. american coffee culture has, by now, matched and surpassed the european in terms of quality, diversity, and most of all, snobbery, whether you want espresso or drip/french-pressed.

    2. Re:espresso? by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Anyone can criticize anything, big deal.

      And this isn't ideal for "American style" anything. It's ideal for keeping a certain quantity of hot liquid hot. Feel free to fill it with a latte, cocoa, tea, apple cider, mulled wine, or your own urine if you feel so inclined.

    3. Re:espresso? by chromas · · Score: 2

      Urine coming out at over 140 degrees may be a health concern.

    4. Re:espresso? by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      Having travelled through North America, this 'summer', it is possible to get decent coffee made from an Italian espresso machine. Just look for independent local cafeterias staffed by hipsters with beards. :) Pour overs have become a post-espresso fad.

      The secret is to 'have here'. Coffee-to-go is another story - if the store wraps your latte's disposal container in a cardboard sleeve to prevent hand scoldage then they're doing it wrong - 'experts' have remarked that flavour and nutrients in the milk are destroyed by heating it to such a high temperature.

      as for 'anachronistic abomination' of the americano, I guess it depends on the cup size. A 'long black' is a common beverage in Australia, while I was served 'Allonge' in Montreal. Each in a standard coffee cup - not a jumbo container where the flavour is diluted by copious amounts of hot water.

      Tim Hortons and Starbucks, on the other hand, is what most people experience as bad American coffee. Bland muddy water, where a piping hot caffeine-laden 500ml+ take-out trumps flavour.

    5. Re:espresso? by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 1

      and by 'american style', i'll assume you mean 'good'. american coffee culture has, by now, matched and surpassed the european in terms of quality, diversity, and most of all, snobbery, whether you want espresso or drip/french-pressed.

      Ummm.. I take it you've never been to Europe?

      Espresso diluted with hot water being called an Americano is appropriate from a continental European standpoint.

      Over here, an espresso is the basis for coffee. If you want a powerful espresso they use less water, and you get a ristretto. If you want a regular cafe, you get a lungo. The serving of water is done right in the machine, and is whether the barista gives you a long or short "pull" (literally on old style machines you pull a lever to put water in a piston that gets shot out through the coffee).

      "Drip" coffee is generally not done. While it is possible to buy a drip set up, if you go into a restaurant or café and ask for a coffee it's a lungo from a coffee machine. And if someone invites you to their home they'll tend to have either an automatically-grind-your-own-bean espresso machine or something like a Nescafé. Or a Moka Express (delicious way to make coffee).

      Now this does vary country by country. Some countries (Italy, Spain, Netherlands, France, etc.) have very good coffee cultures. You go into a cafe and you get a real cup of coffee. In these countries, you'll be hard pressed to find a starbucks. Sometimes, like here in the Netherlands, if you do find a starbucks its around a tourist area like the Airport, Central station, or a tourist attraction like the Flower Market.

      Other countries like Britain have terrible coffee cultures. That's probably why in London you'll see a Starbucks pop up almost as often as Manhattan.

      Either way, once you go European you'll have a hard time accepting American coffee. Even "good" American coffee.

    6. Re:espresso? by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 1

      Is refusing to eat spam meat snobbery then?

  9. Sunk cost by istartedi · · Score: 5, Funny

    It'll never sell to me. There are sunk costs involved. I have too much engineering invested in non-linear coffee consumption as cheap mugs and paper cups lose heat. Slowly at first, with much intake of the aroma. Then cautious sips, then normal sips, then fairly heavy consumption somewhere between 1/2 and 2/3rd of the way down. It ain't broke. I'm not fixing it. It works anywhere. No need to buy an expensive mug, take it with me everywhere, wash it, and worry about losing it.

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    1. Re:Sunk cost by weilawei · · Score: 4, Informative
      A sunk cost is something you walk away from. That's why it's sunk. It shouldn't influence your future behavior. Continuing to throw money at it is known as "throwing good money after bad".

      In economics and business decision-making, a sunk cost is a retrospective (past) cost that has already been incurred and cannot be recovered. Sunk costs are sometimes contrasted with prospective costs, which are future costs that may be incurred or changed if an action is taken.

      In traditional microeconomic theory, only prospective (future) costs are relevant to an investment decision. Traditional economics proposes that economic actors should not let sunk costs influence their decisions. Doing so would not be rationally assessing a decision exclusively on its own merits.

      Sunk costs should not affect the rational decision-maker's best choice. However, until a decision-maker irreversibly commits resources, the prospective cost is an avoidable future cost and is properly included in any decision-making processes.

      Evidence from behavioral economics suggests this theory fails to predict real-world behavior. Sunk costs do, in fact, influence actors' decisions because humans are prone to loss aversion and framing effects.

    2. Re:Sunk cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Um, at a personal level it's known as "doubling down" on an investment in money or time because you don't want to lose that investment (even though you already have). It's highly irrational, although as a rule of thumb (which is how we tend to operate) probably not that bad--otherwise we may be prone to giving up on endeavors too soon.

      Buyer's remorse is just that, being remorseful. It doesn't have the effect of causing you to continue to make irrational economic decisions.

      "Failure is not an option"... okay, maybe, sorta, if you squint really hard.

      "Throwing good money after bad" really does sum it up well, although it doesn't help you if you don't fundamentally understand the concept.

    3. Re:Sunk cost by istartedi · · Score: 1

      Economic theory be damned. I'm going all-in on ignoring their product.

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  10. Re:disadvantage... by Dahamma · · Score: 2

    Wait, what does the time of day have to do with thermodynamics? If the coffee and insulating material are both heated to the same temperature then there is no way it would cool things down *more* quickly than if there were no insulation at all. Especially if you rinse the mug out with some hot water first to add some heat to the system before putting the coffee in. There is no disadvantage to this system...

  11. The Insulator is Spam by Hillgiant · · Score: 5, Funny

    The unnamed insulator is Spam. Not sure if that makes it toxic or non-toxic, though.

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    1. Re:The Insulator is Spam by Antipater · · Score: 1

      Damn. I was hoping it was cheese.

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    2. Re:The Insulator is Spam by CatsupBoy · · Score: 1

      That's ok because it's not got much spam in it.

  12. Re:American coffee ... by weilawei · · Score: 1

    Wet, rough, and wobbling all over? Oh god it burns...

  13. Re:disadvantage... by alexander_686 · · Score: 1

    Well, that is part of the appeal. It’s supposed to rapidly cool your coffee down to 140 degrees – the perfect tempura to drink it at – and hold it at that temperature.

  14. Not practical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Unless the "phase change" material is quite massive, making the mug heavy, there is no way that a thin layer can literally cool a piping hot drink enough to be useful, let alone act as a temperature maintainer. A well built thermal mug can also keep a hot liquid between 128 and 140F for 90 minutes. This smacks of a bit of a con. Well done, con.

    1. Re:Not practical by weilawei · · Score: 1

      The phase change material comes into equilibrium with the inner material, reducing the heat of the inner material (coffee) by moving some of it to the insulator. The two inner layers (coffe + phase change) are maintained in equilibrium by the outer insulating layer which appears to be traditional. Now, as for effectiveness, I'll let someone else spend the $40.

  15. Mystery Material Is Probably Gallium by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    My money is on Gallium:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallium

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aolRO9eteSk

    It melts at 30C and is actually non toxic. Maybe he alloys something with it to bump the melting point up a little, though, basic thermo tells me an alloy will melt at a lower temp.

    Anyway, there are variations on this that aren't so nicely non-toxic due to components like: tin, bismuth, antimony and lead.

    http://scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/thermo/thermo4.html

    1. Re:Mystery Material Is Probably Gallium by thatseattleguy · · Score: 4, Informative

      All good, except; gallium is hella expensive. And very very dense, therefore very heavy.
      My money is on good old-fashioned paraffin wax, which (at least in the bulk candle variety that I bought in my hippie candle-making days) melts at exactly 140F.
      Cheap and food-grade (it coats many candy items) and pretty light.

    2. Re:Mystery Material Is Probably Gallium by jcochran · · Score: 2

      Sorry, but a melting point of 30C is entirely too low. That's about 85F and that is the temperature that the cup of coffee would be soon brought down to until all of the gallium melted. The 140F ( 60C) temperature mentioned points towards paraffin wax which is commonly used as a phase change material for maintaining temperatures http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraffin_wax#Properties

    3. Re:Mystery Material Is Probably Gallium by dbIII · · Score: 2

      It's listed as a material that is in food so I'd say not.
      Heavily salted bacon grease? Coconut oil/Copha? Any ideas for something that's going to last and melts at 60C?

      As for basic thermo - look for a binary phase diagram for an alloy between two metals of different melting points. There will be some compositions where the melting point is higher than that of the one with the lower melting points. Tin-Lead is a good one to look for, you'll notice that with a lot of tin the melting point is higher than that of Lead.

    4. Re:Mystery Material Is Probably Gallium by weilawei · · Score: 2

      Gallium has a molar heat of fusion of 5.59 kJ/mol and a mass of 69.723 g/mol. Paraffin (we're going with C31H64, or, hentriacontane here) has a median molar heat of fusion of 21 kJ/mol, and a mass of ((12.017 * 31) + (1.00794 * 64)) = 437.04 g/mol. If we take 437.04 / 69.723 = 6.2682, we see that we can have 6.2682 moles of Gallium for the same mass as paraffin. This leaves us with 5.59 * 6.2682 = 35.0 kJ of energy absorbed for the same mass of ~437g versus 21 kJ for paraffin. Gallium has a density of 5.904 g/cm^3, and Paraffin has a density of 0.781g/cm^3, therefore the gallium will not only absorb more heat, but also be substantially denser, to the tune of about 7.5x denser than paraffin. So, for 437g of gallium, we'll occupy 74 cm^3, and for 437g of paraffin, we'll occupy 559.5 cm^3.

      It's been around 7 years since I took a chemistry course; I'd appreciate corrections on mistakes.

  16. Writing comprehension fail by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

    90 minutes is not "hours." It's not even plural; it's less than 2 hours.

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    1. Re:Writing comprehension fail by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 3, Informative

      Any quantity over one is plural, including 1.5 hours. For that matter, while fractions between zero and one are generally written in the singular form (1/2 hour), the equivalent decimal forms are typically plural (0.5 hours). Zero is always plural. Really, the only quantity guaranteed to use the singular form is exactly one.

      That said, you're correct that the quantity-free "hours" would generally imply at least two hours, regardless of the fact that 90 minutes converted to hours would be written with a plural. That's because it doesn't include potential fractions of an hour, only whole numbers.

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    2. Re:Writing comprehension fail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Very well done, professor. Take the next couple of weeks off for Christmas. Happy Holidays.

  17. Re:disadvantage... by weilawei · · Score: 1

    cool down your coffee.

    Isn't that the selling point? To use the inner insulator to remove some of the excess heat, bringing it down to a perfect temperature? And once they're in thermal equilibrium, using further outer layers of insulation to maintain the two inner layers roughly in equilibrium?

  18. 90 Minutes??? by jddeluxe · · Score: 1

    Who needs that? Doesn't everyone on this site tend to slam the caffeine down as quickly as possible?

    1. Re:90 Minutes??? by weilawei · · Score: 1

      Nope. I find that a slow drip works better than a big rush and crash.

    2. Re:90 Minutes??? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      I'm home brewing caffeine patches. DMSO and Mountain Dew.

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  19. Beeswax? by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 2

    My guess is the mystery insulator material is beeswax. At least, the temperatures are about right, it's non-toxic, and doesn't oxidize AFAIK.

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    1. Re:Beeswax? by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 1

      You beat me to it! Wax meets all of the criteria.

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  20. Re:disadvantage... by mythosaz · · Score: 3, Informative

    As others have pointed you - you missed the point.

    It cools to 140, and then holds near 140 for as long as possible, because 140 is the optimal coffee temperature -- or so sayeth the coffee gods.

    That said, I spent a lot of time explaining to people with the "new aluminum beer bottles" that "gets cold faster!" also means "gets warm faster" for all the same reasons.

  21. Pfft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    What a piker.

    Just line your coffee mug with plutonium. That'll keep it warm.

  22. Fuck it, we're going to five layers by Overzeetop · · Score: 2

    I called it.

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    1. Re:Fuck it, we're going to five layers by easyTree · · Score: 1

      Rube Goldberg much?
      Standard mug, pour, whack some milk in, drink in ten-fifteen. Problem solved.

  23. Cool... or hot? by koan · · Score: 2

    I just set my ceramic mug on top of my Apple Airport, that seems to keep it warm.

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  24. No one taking coffee seriously should buy this... by PineGreen · · Score: 2

    This is precisely one thing that irks me about living in the US. People get the coffee culture completely wrong, they even say things like "let's grab a coffee". In civilized countries, you never *walk* around with a coffee. You sit down, spend 10 focused minutes on an espresso and maybe conversation and then go on doing things with both hands. Walking around holding some significant fraction of gallon of coffee is just pointless - you get gorilla arm, you never enjoy coffee and you never enjoy a real break.

  25. Techs guide to a decent cup of coffee by toygeek · · Score: 1
  26. Re:No one taking coffee seriously should buy this. by weilawei · · Score: 2

    A slightly more subtle than glaringly obvious example of the No True Scotsman fallacy.

  27. Re:Different trick - same result by stevel · · Score: 1

    If by "lumps of stainless steel" you mean Joulies, you missed that the Joulies have phase-change-material inside - probably the same stuff as this mug. This is why I said it was the same trick.

  28. Re:No one taking coffee seriously should buy this. by dontbemad · · Score: 1

    While I enjoy the same things you stated, I don't really see how you "can't take coffee seriously" if you ever do these things. As a working individual, there are times when I simply don't have the time to sit down and chat for a while. But I sure as hell would love to be able to have a hot cup of coffee as I walk to a meeting or something.

  29. OK then - same trick by dbIII · · Score: 1

    I should have read more about these things since they appear to be wax filled lumps of stainless steel instead of just stainless steel.

  30. Filthy Casuals by aaronb1138 · · Score: 1

    No cup of coffee should need to sit around more than 30 minutes. If you're doing hours of reading or socializing, you should be having more than one cup, sized appropriately to your preferences and tolerance.

    Hell, part of the social ritual is the host refilling the beverage, a demonstration of their ability to provide an abundance to a guest.

  31. Re:No one taking coffee seriously should buy this. by aaronb1138 · · Score: 1

    I think you clearly validated their hyperbole regarding U.S. work culture. As someone who is also pressured by work to a degree of questionable ethical limits, I'm a bit disappoint to see another person standing up for the work place culture that is demonstrably wrong (not entirely about the coffee thing, but with regards to hustle and bustle).

  32. Re:No one taking coffee seriously should buy this. by dontbemad · · Score: 1

    there are times when I simply don't have the time to sit down and chat for a while

    I really don't understand how one could interpret that to mean that I *never* have time to sit and enjoy a cup of coffee. Or whatever beverage I like. There are plenty of times at work where I'll take 10-20 minutes and enjoy a cup of green tea while just relaxing. But occasionally, I may have a meeting that I have to go, immediately following an hour or two of trying to work through some bugs in code. In that three hour block, I would like some coffee, but there aren't any breaks possible.

    Maybe you guys never really go to cafes or coffee shops, but in my home town, there are around 6 starbucks at various locations, and they are almost always full to the brim of people sitting, relaxing, and enjoying a hot drink. And that's usually the same picture I see at most starbucks and coffee shops in general.

    It is definitely easy to cherry pick the occasions when working individuals unfortunately don't have time to stop and enjoy a cup of coffee, but then again, I find that cherry picking is usually the basis for most arguments i read...

  33. First Don't Tip Over by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    I'll never understand the fascination with beverage container designs that encourage spilling. Ever since getting a Highwave Hotjo several years ago, I've been able to keep coffee (or masala tea more often these days) next to my electronics projects all day. Its shape resists spilling and it even has a nonskid mat on the bottom. I've had mine for, gosh, probably six or seven years and it's still as good as new.

    Temperature stability seems likle a great idea, but this vessel design only seems well-suited for an automotive cupholder.

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  34. Re:disadvantage... by John.Banister · · Score: 2

    Wait, what does the time of day have to do with thermodynamics?

    Thermodynamics is already being blamed for the heat death of the universe, even though that hasn't happened yet. It tends to drink a lot, which can leave it hung over in the morning sometimes.

  35. For coffee maybe not by DavidMZ · · Score: 1

    I am also an espresso drinker, so I would not use it for coffee, but I see it could be useful for tea.

  36. Re:Meh I want better by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

    If everything I owned passed these tests, I'd probably only own a single nuclear waste disposal unit.

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  37. Not the perfect mug: this is.... by whitroth · · Score: 1

    This is.

    From Cliff Stoll's Acme Klein Bottles

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    1. Re:Not the perfect mug: this is.... by whitroth · · Score: 1

      Right, forgot slashdot edits URLs... Notice spaces before www....

      http:/ /www.kleinbottle.com/index.htm
      and the mug, er, "Klein Stein"
      http:/// www.kleinbottle.com/drinking_mug_klein_bottle.htm

  38. It's called WAX by Zeorge · · Score: 1

    Wax has been used for phase change cooling for quite some time. Any ways, a wiki link: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraffin_wax And, a table of (candle) wax melting points: http://www.nuscentscandle.com/melt-point-and-pour-candle-wax-temperature-chart/ You just have to account for the expansion, as always.