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Lawmakers Out To Kill the Corn-Based Ethanol Mandate

mdsolar tips this report: "Teams of lawmakers are working hard on bills to cut corn-based ethanol out of the country's biofuel mandate entirely, according to National Journal. It's the latest twist in America's fraught relationship with biofuels, which started in 2005 when Congress first mandated that a certain amount of biofuel be mixed into the country's fuel supply. The Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) was then expanded in 2007, with separate requirements for standard biofuel on the one hand and cellulosic and advanced biofuels on the other. The latter are produced from non-food products like cornstalks, agricultural waste, and timber industry cuttings. The RFS originally called for 100 million gallons of cellulosic ethanol in 2010, 250 million in 2011, and 500 million in 2012. Instead, the cellulosic industry failed to get off the ground. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) was forced to revise the mandate down to 6.5 million in 2010, and all the way down to zero in 2012. The cellulosic mandate has started to slowly creep back up, and 2014 may be the year when domestic production of cellulosic ethanol finally takes off. But then last month EPA did something else for the first time: it cut down the 2014 mandate for standard biofuel, produced mainly from corn. And now Sen. Diane Feinstein (D-CA) and Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) have teamed up on legislation that would eliminate the standard biofuel mandate entirely."

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  1. Maybe this corn can be used for food again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe this corn used for ethanol can be used for food again?

    Or, at the least animal feed, so the price at the grocery store isn't as bad, and farmers/ranchers are not as pinched as before.

    1. Re:Maybe this corn can be used for food again? by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I applaud them for trying. I also applaud them louder for realizing it didn't work and ending it.

      The problem in this stupid political landscape, You can't go back and say, It seemed like a good idea at the time, however I stopped it after we found out it didn't meet expectations. Which is really stupid, because it creates bad policies that just keep going on and on creating more harm, and making political leaders afraid to try something new.

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    2. Re:Maybe this corn can be used for food again? by GameMaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Uh, no. You're taking a half-remembered fact and mangling it. Almost all of the corn raised in this country is usable for food. However, the fact you are mis-remembering is that most of the corn isn't edible by humans straight off the stalk. Just because you can't eat it without processing doesn't mean it isn't still food. Even discounting corn syrup (which is still food) there is hominy, corn meal, etc. Even the stuff used as animal feed is still part of the food chain and increasing it's price still increases the cost of human food.

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    3. Re:Maybe this corn can be used for food again? by icebike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, I applaud them for trying to end it, but it was never wise to turn over the best food growing land to fuel production.
      It was known from the beginning that it took more energy than it produced.

      Cellulose is the only way to go. One of the most promising sources is switch grass, which can be grown on much more marginal land, and pretty much re-plants itself (due to deep roots).

      Had an equal amount of money been put into cellulosic ethanol we wouldn't be stuck with a corn industry that is driving up food prices, and depleting prime agricultural soils. Nor would be have a bunch of corn processing facilities that will require significant work to convert to anything else.

      This has been an expensive failed experiment, about what you would expect when you rush something into production rather than letting the science and the industry develop. The problem was they didn't set it up to allow competition between sources. They went full funding and full legislative mandate for a single solution before they even did much research.

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    4. Re:Maybe this corn can be used for food again? by Valdrax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe this corn used for ethanol can be used for food again?

      Better yet, maybe land can be set aside or used for other things than corn again.

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    5. Re:Maybe this corn can be used for food again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Lifted from
      Sanity, he suggests, is "when a person is adaptable and satiable, capable of realistic planning and empathizing with his fellow beings." In the book, he expands on these traits:
      flexibility -- to be able to change your opinion or course of action, if shown clear evidence you were wrong.
      satiability -- the ability to feel satisfaction if you actually get what you said you wanted, and to transfer your strivings to other goals.
      extrapolation -- an ability to realistically assess the possible consequences of your actions and to empathize, or guess how another person might think or feel.

    6. Re:Maybe this corn can be used for food again? by bigpat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There really should be sunset provisions on all laws. If it is a good idea, then it can be renewed.

    7. Re:Maybe this corn can be used for food again? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I applaud them for trying. I also applaud them louder for realizing it didn't work and ending it.

      I'm not against government mandates per se - the clean air / clean water acts were hugely necessary. I'm all for minimum fuel efficiency standards. I also believe government has a necessary role in funding stuff which requires a long-enough term investment that the private sector is unlikely to find it worthwhile to get involved.

      BUT I don't like it when the government says "here's how you're going to accomplish this goal", because they just about ALWAYS screw that up.

      This is a perfect case in point. They certainly identified the problem correctly... but then they had to meddle because there was just too much political hay to be made. Even when this corn ethanol program started, it was already pretty well established that corn was the wrong source material to use for fuel. As I recall, there was already a near consensus among researchers that switchgrass was probably the way to go. But they let some powerful legislators from the midwest shape the program in a manner designed NOT to be good for the country's long-term interests, but good for their short-term political gain. And, predictably, now many people see the whole idea in a negative light - it raised the price of food, it raised the price of fuel, and in the end it didn't work.

      If the government is going to do this sort of thing, they should stick to setting broadly-stated targets. If they want to say "XX% of your energy/fuel must come from renewable sources by 2030", that's fine with me. But don't dictate that it has to be ethanol, or wind, or solar, or geothermal, or whatever. Let the private sector figure out how best to get to the goal - but don't relax the standards for them when they whine!

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    8. Re:Maybe this corn can be used for food again? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Lifted from
      Sanity, he suggests, is "when a person is adaptable and satiable, capable of realistic planning and empathizing with his fellow beings." In the book, he expands on these traits:
      flexibility -- to be able to change your opinion or course of action, if shown clear evidence you were wrong.
      satiability -- the ability to feel satisfaction if you actually get what you said you wanted, and to transfer your strivings to other goals.
      extrapolation -- an ability to realistically assess the possible consequences of your actions and to empathize, or guess how another person might think or feel.

      Huh.. so I live in a world populated mainly by insane people...

      That explains a lot, actually.

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    9. Re:Maybe this corn can be used for food again? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Cellulose is the only way to go. One of the most promising sources is switch grass, which can be grown on much more marginal land, and pretty much re-plants itself (due to deep roots).

      I've heard similar things about hemp, with the added benefit of hemp being useful for more than 1 thing.

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    10. Re:Maybe this corn can be used for food again? by mrchaotica · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In principle, I agree with the sentiment that trying something out, realizing that it doesn't work and stopping it is good.

      However, the underlying problem is that they set themselves up for failure because they didn't just say "we want ethanol fuel, and we'll let industry figure out the most efficient way to produce it," they said "we want ethanol, and we're going to subsidize a stupid way of producing it."

      Now the question is, will they understand that they failed at regulation, or will they (mistakenly) think biofuels failed as a solution?

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    11. Re:Maybe this corn can be used for food again? by hubie · · Score: 4, Funny

      When I was in college I was always impressed with how concerned the dredlock crowd was about the rope industry. Usually those guys got tagged with an anti-business label, but in reality they were really looking out for the small rope manufacturer.

  2. Probably a good thing by cold+fjord · · Score: 5, Informative
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    1. Re:Probably a good thing by DocSavage64109 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But how am I supposed to give billions in subsidies to corn farmers then?

      I'm sure that the Democrats will find another way to give them billions.

      If it was the Democrats giving billions to the farmers, then how come they all vote Republican?

  3. Good by hduff · · Score: 4, Funny

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  4. About Time guys.... by bobbied · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This NEVER made sense environmentally, economically or technically.

    Technically, we hit the "blend wall" at about 10%. Above that amount, gasoline engines start to have issues with Ethanol. Rubber seals, hoses and plastic parts in fuel systems start having reduced lifespan. Above 10% some engines start having other internal issues. Gas mileage is reduced because Ethanol has a lower energy density. Ethanol is a water magnet, it mixes with water easily and is hard to keep "dry" so rusting and corrosion becomes more common in fuel systems.

    Environmentally, the production of ethanol doesn't really reduce emissions of C02 when you count the whole process of growing, harvesting, storing, transporting, processing into ethanol, transporting, blending and transporting the product again. It was at best a wash. Then when you consider how much more fertilizer, pesticides and tilling add to the environmental impact it clearly becomes a negative.

    Economically, the case is even worse. The whole process of producing ethanol is both labor and capital expensive. It is obviously more expensive as a motor fuel. Then when you consider what has happened to food prices as corn (a base part of much of what we eat as well as feed for animals we use for food) prices have gone up.

    But what about or dependance on foreign Oil imports? It helped, but was it worth it? T Boon Pickens has the answer to that. He thinks that we are stupid to convert food into fuel when we could be using abundant Natural Gas for a motor fuel. Converting gasoline engines to use natural gas is not that hard (albeit harder than 10% Ethanol) it works great with reduced range due to energy density. Refueling times can be comparable to gasoline and a large distribution network already exists in much of the nation.

    It's time. Do away with this mistake.

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    1. Re:About Time guys.... by couchslug · · Score: 4, Informative

      NG engines are easy to do and well understood, but the infrastructure issue means it's a fleet-use only item.

      Folks who work with NG generators report very long life and low wear. If I had a convenient source of CNG I'd convert at least one of my trucks to bi-fuel as "gas and gasoline" systems can co-exist. Ford is going to offer a CNG option on the extremely successful F-150. (That would make a great option for a work truck since CNG can be used to run cutting torches, generators, and so forth. Standard hardware could easily connect them.)

      http://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2013/07/31/ford-f-150-to-get-natural-gas-engine-option/

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  5. Good... alternatives are better by BenJeremy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Switchgrass, Sugar Cane, and Hemp all provide more sustainable, easier-to-convert alternatives to creating ethanol, which, even with the subsidy, was more expensive per mile to operate vehicles with when made using corn.

    These alternatives cost about 30% less to convert and are easier to grow.

  6. The Fuel of the Future -- and it always will be. by Guppy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Cellulose is the only way to go

    To borrow an old joke: Cellulosic Ethanol is the fuel of the future -- and always will be.

    From a chemistry or molecular biology perspective the concept looks great -- similar Hexose sugar units are in Sugar / Starch / Cellulose, so why not use the most abundant and cheapest material? The problem looks different from the perspective of evolutionary biology, however. Naturally occurring Cellulase enzymes, sourced from a wide range of different organisms, have each undergone a long process of optimization through evolutionary history. Yet every enzyme remains extremely slow and inefficient (compared to enzymes that process sugars and starches). Why is that?

    I believe the reason is that Cellulose (or rather, the Cellulose-in-Lignin composite matrix that plants use) is the end result of a very long evolutionary arms race between plants and their consumers. It has evolved to be resistant to microbial degradation -- never totally resistant, but just tough enough to ensure no critter gets a free lunch out of digesting it.

    Of course, not all Cellulosic Ethanol need be derived from purely microbial techniques; chemical and chemical/biological hybrid processes might break the evolutionary deadlock. Others have suggested engineering the starting material itself, starting with plants designed to produce more easily digestible Cellulose (which brings up the problem of how well they would defend themselves against insects and pathogens). Unfortunately, in each of these alternate solutions, the amount of work needed is enormous, and it is possible we are simply out of time, with regards to the funding for this sort of research.