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Want To Fight Allergies? Get a Dirty Dog

sciencehabit writes "A dog in the house is more than just good company. There's increasing evidence that exposure to dogs and livestock early in life can lessen the chances of infants later developing allergies and asthma. Now, researchers have traced this beneficial health effect to a microbe living in the gut. Their study, in mice, suggests that supplementing an infant's diet with the right mix of bacteria might help prevent allergies — even without a pet pooch."

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  1. I KNEW IT! by Spy+Handler · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've had allergies all my life, dust and pollen. My mother HATED animals and we never had any pets.

    Flash forward 20 years -- I get a dog, a little Chihuahua that lives inside my house. I'm sure his hair and dander is all over the place and I breathe it in every day. And.... my allergies are MUCH better now! I can actually breathe with both nostrils, which I never could do most of my life due to sinuses being swollen.

    1. Re:I KNEW IT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Who the hell hates animals? Your mother sounds like an inhuman monster.

    2. Re:I KNEW IT! by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Oddly the only thing I'm allergic to is dog dander, I've been that way ever since I was a little kid.

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    3. Re:I KNEW IT! by Luckyo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you consider what allergic reaction is, your observation makes sense.

      Allergic reaction is your immune system looking for enemies, not finding them and attacking benign or even symbiotic cells instead. When you get a dog, alongside all the hair you get those foreign microbes and suddenly your immune system has proper enemies to fight - so it can "recalibrate" itself to combat those instead of friendlies.

    4. Re:I KNEW IT! by ruir · · Score: 2

      I dont want an animal any near my home. No responsibilities, no worries, no mess. Besides, it would not be sane for both of us to keep a dog in an apartment. And is it human for the dog and the neighbours to keep dogs confined to varandas? If you call other people monsters because of not wanting or liking pets, you really ought to have your head examined. But then, replying to an AC...

    5. Re:I KNEW IT! by MrNiCeGUi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I must disagree with your rationale for wanting dogs banned in urban areas (because that's what I deduce from your wording that you want). There are already laws in place for dealing with those aspects that annoy you, respectively noise and littering.

      The fact that there are inconsiderate people out there is not, in itself, sufficient to call for an outright ban.

      I lived close to a bar, and I can tell you a thing or two about noise, street fights and vomit on the sidewalk. I still did not consider asking for a ban on all bars within urban areas. I did, however, call the police when i considered it appropriate.

    6. Re:I KNEW IT! by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Really, I don't mind well behaved dogs, but anyone telling you that any laws on the books dealing with constantly barking dogs or dog crap on the sidewalks will have any effect at all is insane.

      Police will not enforce such laws. Animal control will not enforce those laws. Until the neighborhood comes to blows, nothing you say will make the slightest difference.

      There is something about dog ownership that causes deafness.

      The closer the dwellings, the smaller the dogs need to be, and the less time they should be allowed chained up outside.

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    7. Re:I KNEW IT! by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Police will not enforce such laws. Animal control will not enforce those laws. Until the neighborhood comes to blows, nothing you say will make the slightest difference.

      Rifle?

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    8. Re:I KNEW IT! by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 4, Funny

      There is something about dog ownership that causes deafness.

      The solution then to the barking dog problem is to get your own dog.

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    9. Re:I KNEW IT! by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 5, Funny

      There are alphas like that and they should be fined, repeatedly. But you may not understand our situation.

      Our barking is to indicate a warning to our packmates or to scare off a threat (or occasionally to intimidate a squirrel). We don't bark much when our alphas are home to hear us because our alphas quickly reassure us that they don't need us to help frighten off the threat. Once our packmates acknowledge the situation, we know we have done our job and can go back to more productive activities.

      However, some things are too scary to stop barking, and one simply must keep barking until it has gone away.

    10. Re:I KNEW IT! by SleazyRidr · · Score: 2

      On the internet, no-one knows you're a dog, until you out yourself.

    11. Re:I KNEW IT! by icebike · · Score: 2

      It's at most a fine. Destruction of private property.

      Are ye daft?

      It's a swat team busting down your door.
      It's cuffed and dragged out of your home and charged with attempted murder. (Until they can't find anything but a dead dog).
      Then it's Reckless Endangerment, Discharging a firearm in City limits, resisting arrest, and anything else they can possibly pile on.

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  2. Makes sense by ls671 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It makes sense. I have always said that keeping your kids in an aseptic environment is not helping them to build resistance for when they get out to the real world at some point.

    Do you remember that South Park episode where the parents would get their kids with other sick kids for them to also get sick? Well, there is some truth to it...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chickenpox_(South_Park)

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  3. Re:Lactobacillus. johnsonii by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    In addition, a study conducted by La Ragione et al. (2004) addressed the beneficial use of L. johnsonii in the poultry industry. This study found that the administration of L. johnsonii in chickens helped control diseases caused by Escherichia coli and Clostridium perfringens. Thus, L. johnsonii has the potential to be directly used in the poultry industry as an alternative to antimicrobials

  4. In other words ... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2

    What TFA suggests is to get a "dirty dog" which pass on some "gut microbes" onto the human babies which, according to TFA, may help the human babies to fight allergies.

    This scenario has several implications:

    1. How the "gut microbes" being passed from that "dirty dog" to the human infant ?

    Shit.

    Specifically, dog shit.

    Which means, the human infant somehow ingested some of the dog shit which contains the microbes that previously reside inside the dog's guts.

    2. The transfer of a microbe from a species (dog) to another (human) may, or may not work.

    It may even be very harmful.

    If the microbes are of the "benign" kind, yes, it may benefit the human baby, as TFA has suggested.

    But if the microbes are of the nasty kind, it may bring on transgenic diseases.

    3. There may be a better and more hygienic way of boosting the human baby's immune responses --- Mother's milk.

    Human babies who were fed the milk from their mothers are healthier and have better protection from many diseases. This is because, when the baby consume the milk from their mothers, they also consume beneficial microbes that were mixed in with the milk.

    In conclusion - it is better to have your human babies to be fed mother's milk than to be fed dog shit.

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    1. Re:In other words ... by Luckyo · · Score: 5, Informative

      You'd actually be surprised to hear that mother's body prepares itself for giving birth by allocating a number of fecal bacteria to the vagina, which baby licks up on its way down the birth canal.

      So yes, nature intends for babies to "eat shit". Because it's needed to establish appropriate gut flora. To the point where nowadays doctors take vaginal swabs and put them in baby's mouth if baby is born of cesarean section and cannot get these naturally.

    2. Re:In other words ... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2

      Actually, the babies get their first shot of gut bacteria at birth. Unless it is a caesarean.

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    3. Re:In other words ... by El+Puerco+Loco · · Score: 2

      The signs that a dog is harboring harmful intestinal bacteria are not exactly subtle.

    4. Re:In other words ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I swear, God is a fucking troll.

    5. Re:In other words ... by EvilSS · · Score: 2

      What TFA suggests is to get a "dirty dog" which pass on some "gut microbes" onto the human babies which, according to TFA, may help the human babies to fight allergies.

      This scenario has several implications:

      1. How the "gut microbes" being passed from that "dirty dog" to the human infant ?

      Shit.

      Specifically, dog shit.

      Which means, the human infant somehow ingested some of the dog shit which contains the microbes that previously reside inside the dog's guts.

      2. The transfer of a microbe from a species (dog) to another (human) may, or may not work.

      It may even be very harmful.

      If the microbes are of the "benign" kind, yes, it may benefit the human baby, as TFA has suggested.

      But if the microbes are of the nasty kind, it may bring on transgenic diseases.

      Yes, this is also how the parent's gut microbes are passed to their infant as well. It's a well known fact that fathers giving their newborns what we today call a "dirty Sanchez" immediately after childbirth goes back 10's of millions of years as a way to pass on their unique gut flora.

      Wait, what's that? Oh, sorry, I'm being told it's transferred via saliva. Hey, maybe that's how the dog to human transfer works too...

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    6. Re:In other words ... by EvilSS · · Score: 2

      As a person who studied A&P in college, I'm sure as hell surprised by this revelation. How, exactly, does this "allocating" occur? Trans-lumen transporter beam?

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    7. Re:In other words ... by Bengie · · Score: 3, Informative

      The vagina does actually change to some degree and the bacterial flora changes. Turns out this change increases "good" bacteria for the infant and infants tend to ingest some of the bacteria on the way out. Other research has shown that infants actually have strong immune systems, they're just suppressed via a gene expression while they're young. Seems this gives time for bacteria to settle and make a strong biome, while giving the body time to learn to play nice with these bacteria.

    8. Re:In other words ... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

      I swear, God is a fucking troll.

      No, God just loves incestuous scat child pornography. Either that, or it's evolution. You decide, based on whether you're religious or not. ;-)

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    9. Re:In other words ... by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 2

      Woah -- mind officially *blown*!

      I'm not kidding. This is definitely one of the more interesting bits of trivia that I've learned in a long time. It means that it's common and widespread knowledge from doctors that humans need intestinal flora "training."

      It's not long now until we start getting a lot smarter about immunizations and healthy living, and stop this nonsense with using anti-bacterial poisons on everything.

      I still remember sterilizing bottle nipples for my boy and my anxious wife, only to discover half a cockroach in his mouth one day when he was 6 months old. I said to my wife; "Obviously, nature thinks we are being to fastidious." His mouth wouldn't be programmed to lick everything in the house if it weren't a useful process.

      The only real difference I see with today's modern immunizations is that they have "dead" viruses and adjutants to excite an immune response. This may not be appropriate or the "best" way for the immune system to be trained in all cases -- and we might be seeing the proof of this by witnessing such a huge increase in food and other allergies in children. I've been pointing out to the "pro immunization" crowd for some time now, that the body may have trouble recognizing the difference between what is injected in an antivirus and what is a first exposure to a small baby. The body can reject chicken pox and peas if the baby gets an immunization with their first dose of peas.

      Humans are a "biological system" -- not just DNA that instructs stem cells. And "poop on the mouth" treatments for babies is finally recognizing that we are an amalgam. A lot of these sorts of considerations need to be used when dealing with premature babies.

      I'm going to predict right now -- though this isn't the first time. That "poop transplants" will be the #1 method for dieting, immune and digestive system treatments and to modify food cravings in a few years.

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  5. Doesn't work by antifoidulus · · Score: 5, Funny

    I already tried this, but all that happened was that Snoop stole my weed and banged my wife. Didn't really help my allergies at all.

  6. The Finns already know it by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A Finnish friend of mine told me when kids there reach the age of 2, during summer holidays, they take them to the countryside and get them to play naked in dirt and mud on purpose, to build up their immune system.

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  7. Not in my case by robin.cornelius · · Score: 2

    My wife was brought up on a farm, they had pet cats and dogs she had horses and now later in life she has developed severe asthma and dogs and cats effect her really badly. She has also developed bad allergies to preservatives in food and now has to carry an epipen in case of anaphylaxis.

  8. Of course there are exceptions... by realkiwi · · Score: 2

    Born and raised a NZ farmers son I have been allergic (pollen) and suffered from asthma (allergic not chronic) all my life. I grew up surrounded by dirty dogs and more sheep and cattle than most people will ever see in a whole lifetime.

    Did the fact that precautions were not taken with farm chemicals back then have something to do with the allergy. I have been exposed to DDT, pesticides, feretilizers, you name it.

    So OK maybe this works in a city environnement with kids that live in a modern hyper clean envirronment and who eat agro-industry cr@p er sorry food. Didn't work for this farmers son.

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  9. get a dog -- maybe by roc97007 · · Score: 2

    > Their study, in mice, suggests that supplementing an infant's diet with the right mix of bacteria might help prevent allergies — even without a pet pooch.

    A part of me says don't take pills, go out and get a dog. There are enough of them who need homes. And then there's another part of me that says, if you're getting a dog just to prevent allergies, maybe you should take the pill instead.

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