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UK ISP Adult Filters Block Sex Education Websites Allows Access To Porn

toshikodo writes "The BBC is reporting that Internet content filters being rolled out by major ISPs in the UK are failing to allow access to acceptable content, such as sex education and sexual abuse advise sites, while also still allowing access to porn. According to the article, 'TalkTalk's filter is endorsed by Mr Cameron but it failed to block 7% of the 68 pornographic websites tested by Newsnight.' The ISPs claim that it is impossible for their filters to be 100% accurate, and that they are working with their users to improve quality. I wonder how long it will be before one of these filters blocks access to the Conservative Party's website, and what will Cameron do then?"

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  1. Internet filter does not work, news at 11 by El_Muerte_TDS · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Can't say I'm surprised by this.

    1. Re:Internet filter does not work, news at 11 by hawkinspeter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem isn't the politicians' lack of intelligence, but the fact that their motives aren't aligned with what the people want. Unfortunately, the democratic process ensures that the top politicians are the most power-hungry and effective liars.

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    2. Re:Internet filter does not work, news at 11 by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is that this is exactly what "the masses" want. And they are very eager to believe the promise that this is what they get.

      They don't want to deal with "that intarnets stuff". They don't want to be responsible for little Timmy's surfing habits. Not only because little Timmy usually knows ten times what they know about computers and can easily defeat any kind of "protection" they throw in his way. Not only because he simply grew up with it, Timmy also has about ten times more time at his hands, not to mention a whole schoolyard of information on how to thwart any and all parental blocking and filtering. Plus, unlike for his parents, it's quite a bit of a status symbol for Timmy if he can evade his parents' directives, that's something you can brag about amongst your peers.

      What his parents want is that magic little box that makes all the stuff they don't want go away. Porn, predators, violence... they don't want Timmy to see that. But they do want the internet as their nanny. Just like the TV was. Why oh why can't there be some watershed on the internet? It did work on TV, didn't it?

      And no, I'm not kidding. That question actually does get asked and is a prime example of what people do NOT know about it. And why it is easy to trick them into believing any kind of snakeoil you promise them. Because they want that snakeoil to work. They want their perfect nanny. They want the internet to be just like TV was, a neat way to get rid of your kids but not be seen as a bad parent.

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  2. Re:What will Cameron do then? by gagol · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We let kids play ultra violent war simulation for hours and hours, but god forbid they get a glimpse of love and biology. Something is seriously wrong with this picture Mr Cameron, aside from applying technology to shape what is a social matter (mainly fear of educating properly our children).

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  3. No need for 100% accuracy by mwvdlee · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The ISPs claim that it is impossible for their filters to be 100% accurate

    Nobody's asking for it to be 100% accurate, but there's a huge difference between 100% and just 93% accurate.
    Considering this is automated restriction of speech, you'd better make damn sure you're atleast in the 99.99% range of accuracy.

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    1. Re:No need for 100% accuracy by SuricouRaven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      These filters are completly useless against anyone actively trying to subvert them. CGI proxies, SSH tunnels, VPNs, and the plain old 'google until you find something that slips through.' Children do know these tricks, or know a friend who will show them - they pick it up at school, finding games to play during lessons. Plus it only filters websites - there is still p2p, files exchanged with friends on IM, sexually explicit zones on social platforms*. It's almost useless. The best a filter can hope for is to stop people from accidentally stumbling across porn while looking for something else - and that is something we just don't need. While certain elements of government and pressure group may believe that glimpsing a penis traumatises children for life, there is no real evidence for this. Children are just not that fragile. A better approach is to just explain to them that there are naughty pictures on the internet and they should just close the tab.

      * There's some really kinky stuff on Second Life.

    2. Re:No need for 100% accuracy by king+neckbeard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How about we let parents be parents instead of the government?

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    3. Re:No need for 100% accuracy by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 4, Insightful
      That is evil... It is not the government's job or business in how I choose to raise my child...

      Naked human beings is not bad for children, we are all born naked, we'll all die naked, and under our clothes, we're all naked right now.

      The violence in our culture is the real problem. Movies like "The Hunger Games" have 8 year old's being beheaded with lots of blood, that's ok, but a naked person? Evil!

      Completely wrong and backwards.

    4. Re:No need for 100% accuracy by wvmarle · · Score: 3, Interesting

      While certain elements of government and pressure group may believe that glimpsing a penis traumatises children for life, there is no real evidence for this. Children are just not that fragile. A better approach is to just explain to them that there are naughty pictures on the internet and they should just close the tab.

      And at the same time YouTube is allowing snuff movies again. Specifically those of beheadings by terrorist groups and so. But of course seeing someone's head being chopped off is far from as traumatising as seeing two people having fun without clothes on.

  4. I hate to say I told you so... by Buchenskjoll · · Score: 5, Funny

    no, actually I don't. In fact I love it. I told you so, I told you so, I told you so ...

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  5. Feel sorry for the people of UK by paavo512 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ISPs claim that [...] they are working with their users to improve quality.

    One question: how can the users know about a blocked sexual education site in order to request unblocking it?

  6. Does it work at all? by isorox · · Score: 5, Funny

    So I'm on BT, and like most people I've replaced the terrible "home hub" with a simple 4 router solution, 5G backbone to distribute wired around the house, single 2.4G AP for non-wired devices, OSPF to manage it all.

    It's connected upstream to the VDSL via a pppoe (username bthomehub@btbroadband.com, no password), and the central DNS proxy uses either 4.2.2.2 or 8.8.8.8 upstream.

    I've spent the morning scientifically browsing lots of porn sites, and haven't found a single one blocked. A google search for "porn" reveals the following sites on the first attempt, all work just fine.

    http://www.pornhub.com/
    http://www.youporn.com/
    http://www.redtube.com/
    http://www.porn.com/
    http://www.xnxx.com/
    http://www.perfectgirls.net/

    The search also brings up the following site
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/

    Which is blocked as being morally unwelcome in my house.

    What am I doing wrong?

    1. Re:Does it work at all? by jonbryce · · Score: 5, Informative

      The filters are default-on for new customers, but off for existing customers unless you ask for them to be switched on. Very few people will be using them at the moment.

  7. Re:What will Cameron do then? by AdamColley · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's nothing to do with porn and we all know it.
    Did you notice that filter also blocks "extreme political content"?
    Who decides what's too extreme?
    They're going to ask everyone over the next year to choose filtering or no filtering, how long do you think it'll be until it's presumed consent unless you specifically ask for no filtering? How long after that anyone who wants no filtering is subject to extra GCHQ monitoring as they're considered subversive?

    Can someone please stop the country? I want to get off -.-

  8. Re:What will Cameron do then? by AGMW · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The default is already "Filtering ON", even though the Gov tried to insist that the ISP's call it something like "your choice" to hide the fact! Railroaded in by referring to it as some anti-child porn crusade, it also includes filters to block (extreme) political websites too.

    Who determines what political sites are extreme?

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  9. Re:What will Cameron do then? by jimshatt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't know if you've seen any porn lately, but it has nothing to do with love (I'll grant you biology). Though I disagree with the UK and with censorship at large, I'm beginning to really hate this "boohoo violence is okay but love is taboo" whining. Besides, when videogames come up again after some high-school shooting, we're all up-ins too.

  10. Re:What will Cameron do then? by Jherek+Carnelian · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We let kids play ultra violent war simulation for hours and hours, but god forbid they get a glimpse of love and biology.

    It isn't so obviously wrong. Most kids will never commit any significant act of violence, but most will have sex. If they get a warped view of violence, it won't really affect their lives. If they get a warped view of sex (and nearly all porn is a production, not real sex) then that could screw up their ability to have sexual intimacy for the rest of their lives.

    I doubt that's how the censors see it, but a broken clock is still right twice a day.

  11. Re:What will Cameron do then? by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most kids will never commit any significant act of violence, but most will have sex.

    Regardless of whether or not they watch porn. Furthermore, I highly, highly doubt that most people (even kids) aren't capable of distinguishing between reality and porn. But even if someone isn't capable of doing that, a five second talk would likely suffice; censorship will never be an acceptable solution to me.

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  12. Re:What will Cameron do then? by xelah · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Indeed he won't care, because he hasn't done this to 'protect children' or any similar thing. It's about political positioning: it's purpose is to present a certain image of the Conservative party - we're this sort of people - to a particular segment of voters who they hope will vote for them. (It wouldn't surprise me if this includes wives wondering what their husbands are doing as much as parents). It also helps distinguish themselves from their coalition partners who are the most pro-civil liberties of the mainstream parties, and who may be seen by some as saying 'we oppose protecting children'.

    A huge amount of government policy and law is symbolic. Like the rest, you will notice that it doesn't have to actually work in order to achieve these goals.

  13. Re:What will Cameron do then? by daem0n1x · · Score: 5, Insightful

    for those parents who don't teach their children about these subjects, they obviously know their children well enough to know that they should not engage in further damaging the gene pool.

    Unfortunately, the less kids know about sex, the more likely they are to spread their genes in an undesired and uncontrolled way. That's why sex education is so important and shouldn't be left to parents.

  14. Re:What will Cameron do then? by hawkinspeter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Also, the parents are often parents due to their own lack of sex education.

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  15. Re: What will Cameron do then? by SerpentMage · · Score: 3, Interesting

    eh?

    Saying that home made amateur porn is love and the rest ain't is being a tad bit over simplistic. Sex is there for the enjoyment, believe it or not. Seriously think about it from a biological perspective. If sex were a pain in the arse (heh heh heh) then we would not be doing it because it would be too much effort. For example imagine our society relied on the fact we needed to lose weight. We would have mucho less people right now because even obese folks want to have sex. Thus because sex is very enjoyable we try to do it however, or wherever we can. Some more, some less. Don't believe, read over the Bonobo monkey, google "bonobo monkey sex". Its a hoot, and if that ain't an example of nymphomania I don't know what is.

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  16. Re:What will Cameron do then? by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sex education will happen. No matter whether you want it to or not. You can only decide whether your kids learn about it in the classroom or the school yard.

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  17. Re:What will Cameron do then? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

    I don't know if you have seen any porn lately, but more female oriented stuff is quite popular now. It tends to focus on the bond between the performers and barely shows the actual penetration. It's much better than the usual macho bullshit.

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