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Power-Loss-Protected SSDs Tested: Only Intel S3500 Passes

lkcl writes "After the reports on SSD reliability and after experiencing a costly 50% failure rate on over 200 remote-deployed OCZ Vertex SSDs, a degree of paranoia set in where I work. I was asked to carry out SSD analysis with some very specific criteria: budget below £100, size greater than 16Gbytes and Power-loss protection mandatory. This was almost an impossible task: after months of searching the shortlist was very short indeed. There was only one drive that survived the torturing: the Intel S3500. After more than 6,500 power-cycles over several days of heavy sustained random writes, not a single byte of data was lost. Crucial M4: failed. Toshiba THNSNH060GCS: failed. Innodisk 3MP SATA Slim: failed. OCZ: failed hard. Only the end-of-lifed Intel 320 and its newer replacement, the S3500, survived unscathed. The conclusion: if you care about data even when power could be unreliable, only buy Intel SSDs." Relatedly, don't expect SSDs to become cheaper than HDDs any time soon.

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  1. Stop Bragging! by CajunArson · · Score: 5, Funny

    "after experiencing a costly 50% failure rate on over 200 remote-deployed OCZ Vertex SSDs"

    Stop gloating about how you got the good batch of OCZ SSDs! Some of us weren't so lucky....

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    1. Re:Stop Bragging! by ColaMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      SSD's from certain companies were crap. Unfortunately you couldn't tell straight away (and I guess, they couldn't tell either, otherwise they wouldn't have shipped them).

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    2. Re:Stop Bragging! by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Funny

      Companies are all about making money. I don't think they would have shipped such dodgy products, since it resulted in bankruptcy

    3. Re:Stop Bragging! by sclark46 · · Score: 4, Funny

      we had about a 100% failure rate on 16gb kingston SSDs

  2. So make the power reliable... by ssufficool · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and get a UPS. Why blow more money on a slightly more reliable SSD when a UPS is so much cheaper?

    1. Re:So make the power reliable... by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Because Intel doesn't make UPS and he is shilling for Intel? Seriously, people actually run WITHOUT a UPS nowadays? There's no excuse. They're not $700 beasts like they used to be.

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    2. Re: So make the power reliable... by iamhassi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your MacBook Air came with a UPS built-in, it's called the battery.

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    3. Re: So make the power reliable... by nerdguy0 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Or get an m500 which is basically a m4 with capacitor backup and newer NAND.

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    4. Re:So make the power reliable... by haystd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The "remote-deployed" may have something to do with it. These may be part of some kind of set-and-forget devices that are not maintained by IT types. Think industrial settings.

      If the UPS units were desktop grade, they are a crapshoot for quality and would probably have to be rotated out every 2-3 years and are expensive to ship due to weight. Add in the hassle of recycling the lead-acid batteries.

    5. Re:So make the power reliable... by lgw · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've never found a UPS useful. I used to buy them, but this always happened:

      * Power went out
      * UPS didn't quite come up in time
      * Computer reset
      * UPS now was happy to provide power for my computer to boot

      I've tried very expensive and very cheap - they just don't work for computers in my experience, and the batteries need replacing every couple of years, and are difficult to dispose of.

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    6. Re:So make the power reliable... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've had at least two UPSes add injury to insult by simply dropping dead and failing to even act as a power strip, merrily cutting power to everything attached to them despite mains power being available (and every 'unprotected' device not even flickering). Thanks a lot APC...

    7. Re: So make the power reliable... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, why test the (already discontinued) M4, which I don't remember ever being marketed as "power protected" instead of the current m500 models that actually are?
      I started deploying the m500 drives as soon as l heard about that one improvement (though only one of the numerous M4s got corrupted (less than 0.1% data lost) apparently due to power loss. Admittedly none of our Intel drives have failed yet either, but the new 530s tendency to disappear after a warm boot made us wary of them up until last week when Intel finally released the firmware fix for that issue.

    8. Re:So make the power reliable... by Tumbleweed · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've never found a UPS useful. I used to buy them, but this always happened:

      * Power went out
      * UPS didn't quite come up in time
      * Computer reset
      * UPS now was happy to provide power for my computer to boot

      I've tried very expensive and very cheap - they just don't work for computers in my experience, and the batteries need replacing every couple of years, and are difficult to dispose of.

      "UPS didn't quite come up in time"? WTF? I've never had a UPS do that, and I"m on my third one in 12 years.

    9. Re: So make the power reliable... by couchslug · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Your MacBook Air came with a UPS built-in, it's called the battery."

      Yet another brilliant example of Apple design!

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    10. Re:So make the power reliable... by ahabswhale · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've never had this problem. I run my computer, monitor, wifi, and cable modem into mine and it works like a champ every time. I've only had two UPSs but they both worked without fail each and every time. The only problem they have is that their power is reduced as they age.

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    11. Re:So make the power reliable... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wild guess: He's mixing a cheap off-line UPS with a horrible PC PSU that can't do the required hold-up time.

    12. Re:So make the power reliable... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Funny

      The people in Starbucks look at me funny when I walk in with my Macbook Air and a UPS.

      Have you considered the possibility that it's not the UPS?

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    13. Re: So make the power reliable... by greg1104 · · Score: 4, Informative

      The power loss protection on the Crucial M500 worked fine in my initial tests. It can't be taken seriously as a reliable drive because it doesn't have any SMART data on longevity. There's no way to know when the drive is wearing out, so it's pretty much useless for serious work. The one I bought for testing is in my laptop, it's a fine drive there. See Tech Report for a review complaining about the missing SMART data, I'm not the only one who noticed.

      Intel's data on wear is very good, see my look at the 320 vs. 710 lifetime for example. The replacement models, DCS3500 and DCS3700, are even better drives in every way.

  3. Is it that hard to include a capacitor? by ZorinLynx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    These things are already expensive; surely spending a few more cents per unit on a capacitor to ensure power loss reliability isn't a big deal.

    The cap only has to be big enough so the controller can do a controlled shutdown.

  4. Consumer grade vs. Enterprise Grade by CajunArson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Slightly more seriously than my last post, the S3500 was the only enterprise-grade SSD tested in that batch. Frankly, I have little sympathy for you if you expected consumer-grade SSDs to perform like Enterprise-grade SSDs in a mission-critical application.

    Consumer grade drives, even/especially the "high performance" ones that will often benchmark better than the "overpriced" enterprise drives, ain't designed to have perfect data retention. Of course, consumer or enterprise, any drive can fail and appropriate measures including RAID and backup* should always be in place no matter what type of drive you have.

    * Yes, RAID != backup, I know, don't bother making that post.

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    1. Re:Consumer grade vs. Enterprise Grade by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If one company's enterprise grade drive is the same price as another company's consumer level drive, isn't it valid to compare them head to head?

    2. Re:Consumer grade vs. Enterprise Grade by kthreadd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A £100 budget was mentioned. I guess Intel was the only vendor that offered enterprise hardware below that.

      The Intel 320 apparently delived good results as well, and that's not enterprise grade whatever that means anyway.

  5. Power-loss protected? No Samsung? by MatthiasF · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does this mean the write-cache is NAND too? I do not see that in the features for the SSDs they selected.

    Also, why was Samsung excluded? Their 800 series with RAID support has been tested in the past with long term writes with great results.

    http://us.hardware.info/reviews/4178/10/hardwareinfo-tests-lifespan-of-samsung-ssd-840-250gb-tlc-ssd-updated-with-final-conclusion-final-update-20-6-2013

    I do not mean to plug a particular brand, but the range of SSD's tested in the articles does not seem very expansive nor do they seem to fit into the criteria they specify.

  6. Re:SSD drives are fast, but they suck for reliabil by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Informative

    There's still one 720RPM laptop drive, I just bought a 1TB 7200RPM HGST drive recently...

    That said one of the newer Seagate drives scored faster in a speed check. Not sure what to make of that.

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  7. Re:SSD drives are fast, but they suck for reliabil by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People who have "important data" and fail to make a backup copy - no matter which type of media they are using - deserve to lose their data. Seriously, what you said doesn't only apply to SSD's.

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  8. Re: UPS by Adriax · · Score: 4, Funny

    Steve Jobs created UPS technology?

    You're missing the point of this advertisement. Only an Enterprise class Intel drive will save your data. All other factors of the test are irrelevant, like the other drives being consumer grade or that all the other drives were beaten with a rubber mallet for 5 minutes before each test while the intel was handled with silk mittens attached to 7 grounding point. And you definitely don't need to pay attention to the fact the power loss with the Intel drive was carried out via software shutdown while the other drives were done by power surging the computer until the motherboards burst into flames.
    Nope, pay no attention to that irrelevant information. Just remember that only official certified and authorized Intel drives can protect your data. Now please wait while the next advertisement queues up, which will explain how the Intel drives protext your data with a computer rendering of the drive tucking your data into bed at night before turning off the lights.

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  9. Statistical significance? by amaurea · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but from my skim through the article, it seems like he only used a single drive of each type. That makes it hard to demonstrate that the differences he saw were real, and not just random. I.e., it may be that all drives have a 75% chance of surviving the test, and that the Intel one just happened to be the lucky one. A more robust test would be to test N copies of each drive. N = 5 should give pretty good significance if this really is completely deterministic.

  10. Re:what's the point of this? by raxx7 · · Score: 3, Informative

    HDDs, even the cheapest ones nowadays, allow the software to enforce the order in which pending data is written to safe permanent storage and software to known that pending data has indeed been safely committed to permanent storage.

    The operative systems, file systems and applications build upon this to ensure that, in case of an unexpected crash, you don't end up with a corrupted file system or data. You may lose files created in the last 5 minutes, but you won't end up with a file system so corrupted that you need to re-install your computer.
    Databases uses this to ensure that, once you've clicked "pay" in a e-commerce site, it will either record it properly or not at all, so you don't end up with half-way situations where you get charged and don't get the product you paid for or vice-versa.

    According to reports like TFA and the article TFA was attempting to reproduce, a lot of cheap SSDs break this guarantees.

  11. Re:am I missing something? by DigiShaman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Technically -yes-, but the issue can be catastrophic with an SSD where as with an HDD, you just loose maybe a file. Both the drive and a journaling filesystem should be able to recover from. With an SSD however, the LBAs are not mapped predominately to memory cells. They get reassigned based on whatever algorithm of wear leaving is employed. If this separate abstracted database to the drive's firmware itself becomes corrupted, you could lose the entire drive. And that's the problem, yet another abstraction that SSDs use that's completely vulnerable to uncommitted writes-backs from power failure. This is something where the OS and filesystem can't help you on an SSD. Unfortunately.

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