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Sherlock Holmes Finally In the Public Domain In the US

ferrisoxide.com writes "As reported on the Australian ABC news website, film-makers in the US are finally free to work on Sherlock Holmes stories without paying a licencing free to the estate of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle after a ruling by Judge Ruben Castillo. A quirk of U.S. copyright law kept 10 stories out of the public domain, on the basis that these stories were continuously developed. In his ruling Judge Castillo opined that only the "story elements" in the short stories published after 1923 were protected and that everything else in the Holmes canon was "free for public use" — including the characters of Holmes and Watson. Holmes scholar Leslie Klinger, who challenged the estate, celebrated the ruling. 'Sherlock Holmes belongs to the world,' Mr Klinger said in a statement posted on his Free Sherlock website. IANAL, but the ruling of Judge Castillo that "adopting Conan Doyle's position would be to extend impermissibly the copyright of certain character elements of Holmes and Watson beyond their statutory period," is surely going to have implications across U.S. copyright law. Mark Twain must be twisting and writhing in his grave."

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  1. A bad remake is a foot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I smell a lot of vile and unsavory SyFy productions ramping up with this ruling.

    "SyFy, that great cesspool into which all the loungers and idlers of the Empire are irresistibly drained."

    1. Re:A bad remake is a foot! by narcc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Er, the "the blood sucking scum called Hollywood" has already pissed all over Sherlock Holmes. I don't see how this changes anything.

    2. Re:A bad remake is a foot! by davester666 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I believe Congress now has a first order of business when they next convene, to add another 20 years to copyright, retroactively applied of course. Because Doyle would never have written a word knowing his heirs would not be able to continue mooching off his work 3 generations later.

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    3. Re:A bad remake is a foot! by gnasher719 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And? I never understood why this so called "IP" deserves to be treated differently than regular property. Does Ford get a cut of every used Ford ever sold? Does Joe the carpenter get a cut every time a house he built changes hands for decades?

      Let me explain. If you write for example a book, there are in theory two ways to get paid for your work: A. Find someone who is willing to buy the book, copyright and everything, and pay you a fair value for the work. You are not going to see a penny after that. Or you get a little bit of money from everyone who buys it, forever. It's a different business model. Not one sale for big money, but many sales each giving you a tiny amount.

      But look at it in a different way: Either you want a book, or a video, or a music performance, or you don't. If you don't want it, you shouldn't care whether it's for sale or free. And if you want it, then surely you should agree that it is _worth_ paying for. You can't seriously argue that you want it but it's not worth money.

    4. Re:A bad remake is a foot! by devent · · Score: 4, Informative

      Copyright law was never about to offer a business model to authors. Copyright law was always about to ensure that works are produced and published, to enrich society. If it turns out that copyright laws actually reduce the amount of works produced and published, then copyright law should be abolished. Normally, copyright law should be at balance to offer authors enough protection that they can make a dime of their works, but also short so that society (the public domain) can be enriched.

      That is why the original copyright term in the USA was just 14 years with the option to extend for another 14 years, and also only for registered works. With the Internet the copyright term should been shortened because the Internet offers a faster way for authors to make a dime of their work. You obviously bought into the Hollywood propaganda that copyright is a natural right of authors to have a business model. No it's not. It's an monopoly right that is granted to benefit at the end the public domain.

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  2. My favorite Sherlock Holmes quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Watson, come here, I want you!".

  3. Finally... by msauve · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Disney will now be able to bring the stories of the the brothers Grimm to the big screen, like Snow White and Sleeping Beauty. No longer will our culture be stolen from us by dead people and uncreative "owners of intellectual property."

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  4. You're surprised by the gay undertones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I thought that the subtle homosexual undertones throughout the entire series were well known. In fact, they play prominently at the start of the The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes, a feature film from 1970. No, it's not a pornographic flic, but a comedic mystery directed by Billy Wilder that even features Christopher Lee.

    In my personal view, however, there's nothing homosexual about Sherlock Holmes. Just because a man dislikes women, and prefers the company of another man, treating him as a life-long companion in work and play, even when at the Turkish baths, it does not mean that he's a homosexual. He might like to smoke a pole as much as he likes to smoke a pipe, but again, that does not make him a homosexual. It's perfectly normal and straight for two completely heterosexual males to touch one another's genitals. Just because two men love each other and form a bond stronger than steel it does not mean that they are gay.

  5. Re:Arthur Conan Doyle was Scottish by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    No the US law applies because a Georgian Princess bought out the other English heirs of the Scottish author who then assigned it to Swiss to manage it.Later when the swiss started skimming off the top, she then sold the whole thing off.The person who purchased it was American but the estate was managed by another Swiss man. Due to a quirk in the US law, the british (dis)inherited tried to reclaim the property, but were conned by a texas lawyer who sent the notices to a non existent address in Switzerland instead of the correct address in US or Switzerland. So the ownership of the estate remains in the US. Hence US law applies.

    I did not make any of this up .

  6. But now he won't write anymore books! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    How can Sir Arthur Conan Doyle be incentivised to write more Sherlock Holmes books, if he can't enjoy exclusive rights to his works?!

    Nooooooooooooooooo!

  7. Re: Arthur Conan Doyle was Scottish by GTRacer · · Score: 4, Funny

    Have you *heard* bagpipes played? Badly?

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  8. Decision text by Flamerule · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's a slightly more detailed story posted on the plaintiff's website. They're also hosting a copy of the full decision from Judge Castillo, of the United States District Court for the Northern District of Illinois.

  9. Hitler must be pissed by TrollstonButterbeans · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sherlock Holmes --- an imaginary character --- has more rights than real people.

    Hitler, Albert Einstein and Elvis make frequent cameos in media and often star in YouTube videos, having no rights because they are *REAL* people.

    But Mickey Mouse and Sherlock Holmes and Barbie have more rights as imaginary characters.

    Curious legal system we have. Feel free to use Ronald Reagan or Jimmy Carter or Richard Nixon (hello Futurama!) in a story ... it's just bizarre!!!

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  10. Re: Arthur Conan Doyle was Scottish by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Have you *heard* bagpipes played? Badly?

    Is there any other way?

  11. I'm confused... by king+neckbeard · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Doyle has been dead since 1930. That means that Sherlock Holmes has been in the public domain in Scotland since 2000. If something is PD in the country of origin, it is PD to all Berne signatories. That's part of how the CTEA was sold to the US public, as our authors would be 'disadvantaged' if we kept a shorter term.

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  12. Re:You did make it up by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Informative

    US law governs a copyright's enforceability in the US. How could it be any different?

    Because of international treaties; the Berne convention, among others.

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  13. Re: Arthur Conan Doyle was Scottish by Vainglorious+Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've heard that the definition of a Scottish gentleman is one who knows how to play the bagpipes, but refrains from doing so.

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  14. Re:You did make it up by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, according to US copyright law (17 USC 104(c)), the Berne Convention has no effect in the US.

    And this isn't odd; copyright treaties are typically not self-executing. They obligate the various treaty states to enact domestic legislation that brings them into compliance with the treaty, but do not serve as copyright laws themselves. In addition, in the US, all treaties stand at an equal level with ordinary federal legislation, and a last-in-time rule dictates which trumps in the event of an irreconcilable conflict. This means that Congress is not bound to adhere to treaties, and can refuse to pass laws that treaties require, and can even pass laws that directly contradict the treaty. This may embarrass the executive branch, and may cause problems for the US in its foreign relations, but sometimes that's the way the cookie crumbles.

    A fun example is WTO Dispute 160, the gist of which is that certain copyright exceptions in US copyright law violate our treaty obligations, a complaint was brought against the US by the Irish, the US lost the case, and we've never bothered to comply by changing our laws in the decade-plus since we lost.

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