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What Would French Fries Taste Like If You Made Them On Jupiter?

sciencehabit writes "Hoping that studying deep frying in different gravitational conditions will help them improve space food for future astronauts, scientists with the European Space Agency chopped potatoes into thin sticks and deep fried them in extra-virgin olive oil, one side at a time, in a spinning centrifuge that created conditions of up to nine times Earth's gravity, akin to that seen on Jupiter. Higher gravity levels significantly increased the heat transfer between the hot oil and the potato, shortening frying time and resulting in thick, crispy crusts, the team reports. In fact, the scientists may have discovered the ideal gravitational condition for creating crunchy fries: The crust reached its maximum thickness when the potato was fried at three times Earth's gravity; any further increase in gravity levels did not improve the fries' crispiness."

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  1. Obvious proof... by stox · · Score: 4, Funny

    French fries did not originate on Earth, but were brought here by benevolent Aliens in the past.

    I, for one, would welcome the return of out benefactors!

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    1. Re:Obvious proof... by Thomas+Miconi · · Score: 5, Funny

      all these worlds
      are yours except
      europa
      build no
      macdonald's there
      fry them in butter
      fry them in grease
      just don't dunk them in goddamn mayo
      or else

    2. Re:Obvious proof... by Phreakiture · · Score: 2

      They kept telling people "We are from France" as their cover story . . . .

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  2. Re:So, next piece of equipment for molecular gastr by DexterIsADog · · Score: 5, Funny

    Whirling hot oil around at high speed, in a kitchen.

    What could go wrong?

  3. Ig Nobel Prize? by bunyip · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Surely this research is a leading candidate!

    1. Re:Ig Nobel Prize? by GumphMaster · · Score: 2

      Up there with belly button fluff studies IMHO

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    2. Re:Ig Nobel Prize? by fox171171 · · Score: 2

      Ig Nobel Prize?

      Surely this research is a leading candidate!

      Or, with some of the "try this at home" do it yourself amateurs, possibly even a Darwin Award.

    3. Re:Ig Nobel Prize? by tibit · · Score: 2

      I read about it a few days ago and I couldn't resist. With potatoes I have, 4g seems to be a sweet spot. I've had a 50A slip ring with a bearing/axle set laying about, and I've actually put an off-the-shelf deep fryer on an arm made of some scrap right angle. Works fine. Yum!

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  4. Am I the only one thinking of building this? by raymorris · · Score: 3, Funny

    Am I the only Slashdotter thinking of trying this? The clothes washer on spin would be too big. Maybe put a faster motor on my ice cream maker and pour in some hot oil...

    1. Re:Am I the only one thinking of building this? by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Am I the only Slashdotter thinking of trying this? The clothes washer on spin would be too big. Maybe put a faster motor on my ice cream maker and pour in some hot oil...

      Be sure to film it. This has the makings of a youtube favorite.

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    2. Re:Am I the only one thinking of building this? by aztracker1 · · Score: 2

      I was thinking it wouldn't be too difficult with a pressure fryer... For that matter, better use lard or beef tallow (beef lard).

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    3. Re:Am I the only one thinking of building this? by nitehawk214 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I enjoy that most of the Wiki article on pressure frying basically is trying to state, "For fuck's sake, don't try this at home."

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  5. Jupiter Fries by RandomUsername99 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So at work, they've got a food stand outside that does made-to-order liquid nitrogen ice cream. I think that a "Jupiter Fries" truck would fit in quite nicely.

  6. Re:So, next piece of equipment for molecular gastr by narcc · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What could go wrong?

    I suspect that we'll read about more than one actualized possibility over the next few weeks.

  7. No Idea by tpstigers · · Score: 2

    I'd be busy having the life squeezed out of me by the gravity.

  8. Re:So, next piece of equipment for molecular gastr by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whirling hot oil around at high speed, in a kitchen.

    What could go wrong?

    But you know, the same people who deep fry turkeys would try this.

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  9. deep frying cures all ills... by turkeydance · · Score: 2

    even those you don't know about.

  10. Jupiter is 9? by Wolfger · · Score: 5, Informative

    Every source I've found says it's 2.53, where did these people come up with 9? Nonetheless, I am looking forward to trying some high-gravity fries. Sounds delicious.

    1. Re:Jupiter is 9? by Dahamma · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not only are you correct, but TFA didn't even mention Jupiter. The submitter made that part up and got it completely wrong...

    2. Re:Jupiter is 9? by slew · · Score: 2

      Perhaps someone thought that since Jupiter's diameter is about 10x earth, it would have 10x the gravity?

      Given g = G*m*(M/r^2)

      If somehow the density of Jupiter was similar to earth...

      Me = De*4*pi*re^3
      Mj = De*4*pi*rj^3

      The force of gravity experienced by a mass at the surface would be...

      ge = G*m*(Me/re^2) = G*m*(De*4*pi*re/3)
      gj = G*m*(Mj/rj^2) = G*m*(De*4*pi*rj/3) (proportional to the radius or diameter)

      But of course, Jupiter is much less dense than the earth, so that analysis is totally bogus...

    3. Re:Jupiter is 9? by rubycodez · · Score: 2

      note one place that has nearly earth-normal gravity for making fries but makes them taste salty and smell terrible: Uranus

  11. Another variable to consider by techno-vampire · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Deep frying, of course, is quite literally boiling in oil. As the boiling point is dependent on the pressure, they might want to consider putting the fryer in a pressure vessel that can handle several atmospheres. (No, I don't think a broaster is built for that.) Of course, that may well take the boiling point above the smoke point, so you may want to fill the container with nitrogen or possibly carbon dioxide.

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    1. Re:Another variable to consider by mirix · · Score: 2

      The oil isn't boiling though, is it? Doesn't oil smoke before it boils... at least at 1 atm? Since it is hotter than 100C, anything with water in it (say food) added to the fryer 'boils' instantly though.

      Since the oil is already much hotter than water's boiling point, I don't see any advantage to increasing the pressure? Except keeping the boiling water in the food item a tad longer, I guess...?

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  12. Harumph. by ApplePy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Fat lot of good it does if you can't *grow* potatoes in 9x Earth gravity.

    If they can grow potatoes in their centrifuge... then we have a useful study. :)

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    1. Re:Harumph. by rossdee · · Score: 2

      I guess you import the potatoes from Earth.
      You can synthesize the oil from the Jovian atmosphere.
      But its gonna be expensive just to get there yourself.

      Next up, how to cook a burger on Venus...
      (oh wait, its already cooked, and so are you)

    2. Re:Harumph. by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 3, Informative

      Next up, how to cook a burger on Venus...

      Actually, Venus is better for roasting. The sulphuric acid helps tenderise the meat. You can customise the temperature by floating the meat at a specific altitude. Diners themselves float at about 55km.

      (Mercury is for burgers.)

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    3. Re:Harumph. by Dahamma · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, when reading TFA my first question was "why bother frying the fries anyway, why not just bake them!?"

      But that's because the article had absolutely ZERO to do with cooking fries on Jupiter. Jupiter is completely inhospitable to human life and there would be no reason to have humans live on the surface. Jupiter isn't even mentioned in the article, that was a stupid (and incorrect) addition by the submitter.

      The ACTUAL point of the study was that cooking in *zero* gravity brings up a bunch of challenges (ie. cooking with oil in zero G!) so they wanted to figure out what levels of artificial gravity would be acceptable/ideal for deep frying.

  13. Olive oil? by sochdot · · Score: 5, Informative

    I would think olive oil a poor choice for making french fries. In general, olive oil has too low of a smoke point; it just doesn't get hot enough to fry things well. Maybe the increased pressure made a lower oil temp better? I was always taught to use olive oil as a flavoring on pastas, salads, bread, etc. but never for actual hot-oil-cooking.

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    1. Re:Olive oil? by DerekLyons · · Score: 2

      I was always taught to use olive oil as a flavoring on pastas, salads, bread, etc. but never for actual hot-oil-cooking.

      Then you weren't taught very well as olive oil is routinely used for for sauteing. A mixture of olive oil and butter (both low temperature oils) is commonly used in classical French cuisine.

    2. Re:Olive oil? by ebno-10db · · Score: 2

      That may be, but if you want truly great fries use suet. It may kill you, but at least you'll die happy.

    3. Re:Olive oil? by benlwilson · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's a complete myth that olive oil has a smoke point too low to fry with.

      The smoke point of oils varies by oil type and by how refined it is
      Here's some examples of oils people use for deep frying.
        - Canola oil 190 - 204C (375 - 475F)
        - Sunflower oil 107 - 232C (225 - 450F)
        - Peanut oil 232C (450F)
        - Tallow 215C (420F)

      And here is olive oils..
      - Extra virgin olive oil 191C (375F)
      - Extra light olive oil 242C (468F)

      Normally you deep fry stuff around 175C (350F) which is fine for all types of olive oil.
      It's best to use light olive oil if you're deep frying in a saucepan rather than
      a proper deep fryer because you have less temp control on a saucepan and light olive gives
      you more leeway.

      As far as starting a fire goes, It's more risky to deep fry using canola or sunflower oil rather than olive.
      The main reasons not to deep fry with olive is
      - It's expensive
      - It can sometimes leave an aftertaste on the food.

      It is however much healthyer

    4. Re: Olive oil? by DerekLyons · · Score: 2

      Sauteing is (relatively) low temperature oil cooking. That is, around 150C, vs frying which is usually around 210-230C depending on what it is.

      Um, no. Like the OP, you're badly misinformed about cooking techniques. French fries cook at around 150-175C, as do other items. Frying temperatures range widely depending on the food being cooked.

    5. Re: Olive oil? by RabidReindeer · · Score: 2

      Sauteing is (relatively) low temperature oil cooking. That is, around 150C, vs frying which is usually around 210-230C depending on what it is.

      Um, no. Like the OP, you're badly misinformed about cooking techniques. French fries cook at around 150-175C, as do other items. Frying temperatures range widely depending on the food being cooked.

      The word sauté comes from the same root as somersault. Because part of the technique is to periodically flip the contents of the pan, thus ensuring that all surfaces get jumbled instead of same-side down like stirring tends to produce and because it helps distribute the cooking oil more evenly on the food.

      For those prone to decorate walls, ceiling and floor, however, one should make due with a suitable weapon of destruction such as a spatula or spoon and do the jumbling manually.

      And while I haven't collected a really good set of data, a lot of my sauteing seems to be with a pan surface temperature of around 400 F, but as stated, that depends on the food and whether you're looking for mostly surface cooking fast and furious, low and slow, how much internal water you're dealing with/cooking out and so forth.

      Also, 400 degrees on the bottom of a air-filled pan is a lot different than total immersion in a fluid whose mean temperature is 350 or so.

    6. Re:Olive oil? by gmhowell · · Score: 2

      Bake the fries.

      I bet you think sex with a condom is just as good as bareback.

      Oh, wait, slashdot:

      I bet you think masturbation is just as good as sex with another person.

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  14. that was KFC's innovation, Colonel Sanders secret by raymorris · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's a good idea. So good that you could make millions of dollars from it, like Colonel Sanders did.

  15. OK, I'll say it by symbolset · · Score: 3, Funny

    If ever there was an article begging for a "hot oil on Uranus" comment, this is it.

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  16. Re:So, next piece of equipment for molecular gastr by Cryacin · · Score: 3, Funny

    Eat that Heston Blumenthal!

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  17. Re:So, next piece of equipment for molecular gastr by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Whirling hot oil around at high speed, in a kitchen. What could go wrong?

    Can't wait to see how someone's frozen turkey will turn out in one of these next Thanksgiving. It'll be like an angry birds reality show.

  18. Re:So, next piece of equipment for molecular gastr by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

    I'm eagerly awaiting Alton Brown's commandeering of a playground roundabout with deep fryers lashed to the bars and an '01 Kia minivan's power wheel providing the input power.

    But how to distribute the AC power - rotors and brushes?

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  19. Re:A technical question by mysidia · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Gravity so strong that it collapses into a singularity, the sweet-potato fries get sucked in, and ordinary non-sweet potato fries are ejected from the fryer, fully done.

  20. Or, you know.... by jcr · · Score: 2

    You could just use higher pressure.

    -jcr

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  21. What Would French Fries Taste Like... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

    ...If you made them on Jupiter?

    I suppose we can assume that there is somehow a way to remain on the "surface" of the atmosphere, since Jupiter obviously has no surface that we could build anything to withstand the pressures of. And overcome the issues with the 400 mph upper atmospheric wind speed. For the purpose of weight savings, we can also assume that the fryer will not be made of stainless steel like a normal fryer would be. This is also a good thing as the magnetic field at this distance is estimated to be at around 1 Tesla. It's probably still going to cause all kinds of issues.

    But the real kicker is the radiation. A person who is exposed to 30 Sv or more in a short period of time will be dead in 24 to 48 hours. Io averages a little over 400Km distance from Jupiter. At that distance you would receive 36 Sv in a single 24 hour period. So the radiation and magnetic field are probably going to play hell with any kind of electronics, or electric heating element. And good luck using gas as an electrical arc will probably cause an oxygen tank to explode. But let's say we somehow find a way to work around all those problems. Just how do we keep the fries from getting cold and mushy in the time it takes to get them to us at our survivable distance from Jupiter? I can barely get fries home from McDonald's w/o my wife telling me I took too long and that the fries are disgusting.

  22. Re:that was KFC's innovation, Colonel Sanders secr by mirix · · Score: 2

    Sanders' isn't a deep fryer though, or at least it wasn't. The whole point is he didn't want the chicken to be deep fried, but pan fried (which was too bloody slow)... Hence the compromise of pressure-pan frying.

    Never worked at a KFC, so I'm googling it, and it sure looks like a deep fryer, though...

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  23. Re:But... by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    And are onion rings better on Saturn?

  24. Re:So, next piece of equipment for molecular gastr by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

    Don't. You can get gas-powered friers. Use those, put a canister of propane in the middle.

    Then turn it on by remote control from a safe distance. Such that you have to watch it through a telescope.

  25. Re:So, next piece of equipment for molecular gastr by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

    He looks a bit stringy to me.

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  26. FREEDOM FRIES! by Shoten · · Score: 2

    No! Not French Fries! Freedom Fries! Remember 9/11!

    Also, not French Kissing! Freedom kissing! NO TONGUE, OR THE TERRORISTS WIN!

    (Sorry...apparently I've been possessed by the ghost of Ann Coulter's career. I have someone with common sense and knowledge of facts coming to perform an exorcism later today.)

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  27. Business Opportunities in Space by Optali · · Score: 2

    Well, this will definitely become the mayor incentive for the Human Colonization of Space: Building snack and fast food factories in Jupiter and Saturn...
    Instead of a the a war between the Federation and the Klingon Empire we will end up with Doritos vs. Pringles and a Starbucks on every asteroid.

    And the worst of it is that it perfectly fits all what already happened with each and every technology util now: Instead of intelligent supercomputers dedicated to advanced science and pure mathematics we have Facebook and porn, instead of flying in UFO at light speed in nice Starfleet uniforms we have fat moms driving their ugly kids to school in an SUV... shit, and the only Androids that we have are nothing more than crappy cordless phones with a few more functions. Shit, shit, shit.

    We should be drinking Vulcanian ale right now in a Klingon tavern :_(

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