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Rap Genius Returns To Google Search Rankings

theodp writes "After being punished by Google for manipulative SEO tactics, a contrite Rap Genius says it's back in Google's good graces. 'It takes a few days for things to return to normal, but we're officially back!' reads a post by the Rap Genius founders. 'First of all, we owe a big thanks to Google for being fair and transparent and allowing us back onto their results pages. We overstepped, and we deserved to get smacked.' Rap Genius credits some clever trackback scraping programming for its quick redemption, but a skeptic might suggest it probably didn't hurt that Rap Genius' biggest investor, Andreessen Horowitz, is tight with Google."

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  1. Rap "Genius"? by cold+fjord · · Score: 2, Funny

    Q: Rap Genius?
    A: Oxymoron

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    1. Re:Rap "Genius"? by timdingo · · Score: 1

      /agreed Sometimes, when reading on or hearing of people I don't approve of, I'll drop a pejorative 'who?' even though I've got a pretty good idea who said person is. Not this time. This time I haven't got a clue as to who this 'Rap Genius' is. Not sure I want to know either.

    2. Re:Rap "Genius"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That is about as bigoted as, "Geeks are people that have no social skills, yet still insist on pushing their electronic 'tools' on people. It is hardly possible to be more arrogant and incompetent as a human."

      I don't particularly enjoy rap, but it is evidently a musical form, and - just as with any art - doing it badly is easy, but doing it well is hard.

    3. Re:Rap "Genius"? by camg188 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Summary of the video:
      * Rap Genius is a website that provides crowdsourced text annotation services.
      * It got it's name because it originally provided "decoding" of rap lyrics so little Joe Schmoe could figure out what "beez in the trap" means.* But now they want to provide text annotation to documents of all kinds of subjects.

    4. Re:Rap "Genius"? by GoogleShill · · Score: 1

      I wish I had mod points for you.

      The "I'm smart and don't like X, so people who like X must be stupid" mentality on here is getting near YouTube levels. I've recently switched to ArsTechnica for most of my news, but still have the /. RSS feed which I monitor and occasionally click through. This article struck me as interesting because I ended up at Rap Genius yesterday after searching for some lyrics to a rap song.

    5. Re:Rap "Genius"? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Pathetic, almost literal rip-off. And completely besides the point. Surely you can do better? Oh, wait, likely you cannot....

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    6. Re:Rap "Genius"? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Just my point. I also believe that quite a few "Rappers" are actually pretty competent scam artists that use bogus "cultural identity" memes to sell their trash. Seems to be working well. There is a sucker born every minute...

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    7. Re:Rap "Genius"? by GoogleShill · · Score: 2

      You need to look up the definition of objective, because you really don't have a clue what it means, nor have you produced any evidence supporting your subjective opinion.

      Unsurprisingly you didn't mention what type of music you happen to like. It's only childish trolling to criticize others while not exposing your own interests and likes.

    8. Re:Rap "Genius"? by GoogleShill · · Score: 1

      Seriously dude? You're a fucking idiot if you don't understand that music is a subjective art form. The Dunning-Kruger effect lies solely on you.

    9. Re:Rap "Genius"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Some rap is lacking in harmony or melody, but that doesn't make it objectively bad music any more than a savoury meal is "objectively bad" just because it lacks sweetness.

      It's frankly embarrassing how our culture likes to attach metrics to everything while failing to notice that the final judgment always comes down to how you weight your inputs.

      And if you want bad lyrics, listen to opera.

    10. Re:Rap "Genius"? by wooferhound · · Score: 2

      Just my point. I also believe that quite a few "Rappers" are actually pretty competent scam artists that use bogus "cultural identity" memes to sell their trash. Seems to be working well. There is a sucker born every minute...

      A lot like the wrestling shows on TV, a guy making money by portraying himself as somebody he isn't to sell their trash

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    11. Re:Rap "Genius"? by vakuona · · Score: 1

      I don't know why I am replying to this.

      Rap music is not so much about harmony as it is about rhythm and rhyme. Basically, rap is about poetry.

      You wouldn't know that because you are an idiot.

    12. Re:Rap "Genius"? by Merls+the+Sneaky · · Score: 1

      Even if I accept your premise that rap is "bad music", I have heard rap that is very good poetry. It takes a skilled linguist to write good rap as it does to write good poetry and there are good and bad examples of both. To me rap is modern day poetry with a beat. look outside the pop charts for the good stuff and you will find it.

    13. Re:Rap "Genius"? by Merls+the+Sneaky · · Score: 1

      Really? Zero talent? So when is your number one album going to debut at number one on the charts?

    14. Re:Rap "Genius"? by Wootery · · Score: 1

      Oops, forgot to sign in. Also, s/broad/vague/

    15. Re:Rap "Genius"? by TheloniousToady · · Score: 1

      And if you want bad lyrics, listen to opera.

      OK, I'll bite. Treat yourself to a little "Gilbert and Sullivan". A very famous example lyric is the Major-General's Song, which is very cleverly triple-rhymed. (Let's see Eminem top that!) It has inspired a host of parodies, one of which is so well done as to merit a Wikipedia entry of its very own .

      And Sullivan's music is every bit as brilliant as Gilbert's lyrics. Once you get over the fat lady's singing, G&S truly is one of the good things in life. The recordings by the Welsh National Opera are highly recommended.

    16. Re:Rap "Genius"? by Ellie+K · · Score: 1

      ...It takes a skilled linguist to write good rap as it does to write good poetry and there are good and bad examples of both.

      Linguist! The professors of linguistics that write University of Pennsylvania's Language Log are skilled linguists. I don't think that has anything to do with their ability to write poetry. Or rap, although it would be fun to ask!

      Rap is words, music and visuals with attitude, and usually post-production effects. Poetry is written words on a page. They aren't comparable.

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    17. Re:Rap "Genius"? by Ellie+K · · Score: 1

      And if you want bad lyrics, listen to opera.

      OK, I'll bite. Treat yourself to a little "Gilbert and Sullivan"...

      I really like Eminem and Kid Rock. They are sarcastic and very funny. Will they still have the same appeal after 100 years? I doubt it. Gilbert and Sullivan has endured.

      I don't especially like G&S (I prefer what someone else called "traditional arias" e.g. full chorus "Ode to Joy"), yet I can completely relate to, understand why you are fond of G&S. A live G&S performance is music and art.

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    18. Re:Rap "Genius"? by YesThatsMeImHere · · Score: 2

      Taking into consideration this post and the first anonymous troll post that went in this direction, that you probably also wrote: It's impossible to draw the conclusion that something is "objectively bad" based on subjective statements like a component of it "being rubbish" or "sounding like utter shit". You're trolling, but you know, I like it when "low hanging fruit" helps making a very simple and objectively non-refutable point. (See what I did there?) Also, lyrical content is not really genre specific. Sometimes you can rap a lyric that wasn't written to be rapped, or sing a lyric that wasn't meant to be sung. Therefore, your point doesn't really work, as you're aware of. On a slightly more ad populum note: You really have to be stubborn if you see a crowd of ten thousdands of people dancing and jumping around and still not accept that they're doing it because of music. Comparing listening one of the best selling musical genres to playing with feces.. well. Doesn't make a lot of sense, in practice. You know, if you're into psychology and not being insane and all that. Also, it can't be "not music" and "bad music" at the same time. It can obviously not really be "objectively bad music" or "objectively bad poetry" in the first place. You're objectively bad at being a troll. Some rap lyrics are actually pretty darn clever. Black metal, now there's a genre that's objectively terrible all the way!

    19. Re:Rap "Genius"? by YesThatsMeImHere · · Score: 1

      Rap is rhytmical lyricism. Not the same as poetry, but comparable.

    20. Re:Rap "Genius"? by YesThatsMeImHere · · Score: 1

      It does not lack the basic elements of "music" if you accept it's common meaning, nor does it "discard every core element" of it. And it does indeed happen to be "subjetively good" to some and "subjectively bad" to others. So that point didn't really make sense if you still want to agree it's objectively bad. Unless you don't accept that some people actually find it good.

    21. Re:Rap "Genius"? by Merls+the+Sneaky · · Score: 2

      Before either poetry or rap is spoken aloud they can both be words written on a page. Both can also not be written on a page. The page is just a recording medium. or can poetry not be recorded on a CD and still be considered poetry?

    22. Re:Rap "Genius"? by Merls+the+Sneaky · · Score: 2

      Ad hominem attack, nice to see you keeping it classy!

      1) Popularity does not always equal quality, but I never claimed it had to be quality. You said it took no talent therefore anyone can do it.
      2) I never claimed talking = music. I consider rap to be more akin to poetry. But you will find rap in the music charts, along with many other "artists" a lot of people also consider to not have any talent.
      3) You're claiming it takes no talent and with a payout like that why wouldn't you? Unless of course it does take some sort of talent that you don't have.

      I'm not your "homie", I don't even know anyone that owns a gun, nor do I work in the music industry, additionally someone that opens with an ad hominem attack is not an intellectual and certainly not superior.

    23. Re:Rap "Genius"? by bbsalem · · Score: 1

      I'm not a real fan of Rap either, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't have its place or that it sin't high art in some way. When it first appeared I thought that sometimes it was quite poetic, even with all the dialect and swearing, and like any art form that is current, most of it is pretty hum drum,

      What caught my eye is that the application that got Rap Genius in trouble was a linguistics application. I wonder, really, what arm twisting Google was able to do to get Rap Genius to change what it was doing. I don't trust Google anymore, so it must be some kind of Travestry.

    24. Re:Rap "Genius"? by bbsalem · · Score: 1

      Ay, Fidelio, you are a seingspiel!

    25. Re:Rap "Genius"? by vakuona · · Score: 1

      Blimey, someone needs to get rid of the twist in their knickers.

      Rhythm is merely the absence of harmony and melody.

      What sort of crazy rubbish is that? High sounding nonsense that is.

      As with any art form, there are good practitioners and bad practitioners of the art, and the lyrics to rap range from the downright awful to the absolutely brilliant. And the skill of the delivery ranges from the clumsy to the sublime. As with anything else in life.

      And when it comes to harmony, there is plenty of it in rap come to think of it. Basically, when rappers ride the beat, they are rapping in harmony to the "music".

  2. who? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    who?

    1. Re:who? by lxs · · Score: 5, Funny

      The people who bought this ad space.

    2. Re:who? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      Well, you've heard of them now . . .

      1. Piss off Google.
      2. Get headlines in the press.
      3. Profit.
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  3. Re:Who gives a shit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There's apparently a website called "Rap Genius" and it's apparently popular among those who aren't geniuses. Hence, the rap part.

  4. Slashdot by dale.furno · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Delete this stupid article and smack whoever posted it. what a load of useless shit.

    1. Re:Slashdot by mario6915 · · Score: 1

      I never comment ... but I have to this time. I concur; what an utterly useless piece of shit! Shame on slashdot!

  5. Re:Google .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    But it turns out that very few other websites want to give you a "free link".

    Want to know why? BECAUSE YOUR SITE FUCKING SUCKS!

  6. Re:Google .... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm up for joining your startup to build a better search engine. You obviously have some clever ideas on how to do it.

  7. Slashdot keeps on pushing the boundaries by mutube · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Unfortunately, it's the boundaries of how un-newsworthy content can be and still be called "news".

    Someone I've never heard of does dodgy SEO, gets banned by Google, then gets the ban lifted (+- unproven allegation of favouritism) and I'm supposed to give a shit?

    Happens every day, almost entirely to other people I've never heard of either.

    1. Re:Slashdot keeps on pushing the boundaries by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Unfortunately, it's the boundaries of how un-newsworthy content can be and still be called "news".

      Someone "modded" it up at the Firehose, and Soulskill put it on the front page... It's probably a Slashvert, either paid to Dice or more likely paid to Soulskill.

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    2. Re:Slashdot keeps on pushing the boundaries by girlintraining · · Score: 1

      Someone "modded" it up at the Firehose, and Soulskill put it on the front page... It's probably a Slashvert, either paid to Dice or more likely paid to Soulskill.

      The future is coming... and it's ugly and full of ads.

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    3. Re:Slashdot keeps on pushing the boundaries by pspahn · · Score: 1

      The correct and appropriate typo would have been "Soulshill".

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    4. Re:Slashdot keeps on pushing the boundaries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What I hate about the internet today - by Gus
      1. SEO - it's obvious
      2. The Cloud - security nightmare
      3. Advertisements - pay for your own site, or get it off the internet. You're not doing anyone any favors
      4. Social websites - facebook, twitter, google+, you all suck
      5. Youtube - posting a 10 minute video explaining how to do something that you could have explained in 1 line of text
      6. Web Forums - mail lists are better, you losers
      7. IOT - I don't even want to hear about this, it's fucking ridiculous
      8. Please add to my list or tell me why I'm a loon.

  8. Time to drive the hipsters out of the industry. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I've been in the computing industry since the 1970s. I've seen trends come, and I've seen trends go. I've seen people come, I've seen people go. I've seen companies come, I've seen companies go. I've seen technologies come, I've seen technologies go.

    But over these several decades of experience, the worst, and I mean the very worst, people I've ever had to deal with are the hipsters that have weaseled their way in since 2008 or so. They've advocated for some of the worst technologies we've ever seen (JavaScript, Ruby on Rails, NoSQL), while engaging in some of the ugliest business and social practices (collecting and selling huge amounts of private information, "lifestyle businesses", scummy SEO tactics).

    They aren't contained just to industry, either. They've got their rotten tentacles into open source projects, too. They've almost single-handedly destroyed GNOME 3 at this point. Firefox is not far behind. And their obsession with git (and GitHub) has basically destroyed the practice of proper releases, especially of libraries.

    We need to shun these people. Anyone hiring in industry should avoid them at all costs. Anyone working on open source projects should refuse to let them contribute. While open source projects are often in desperate need of help, this is surely not the kind of help that is needed. We don't need hipsters involved with software development of any type.

    1. Re:Time to drive the hipsters out of the industry. by Trepidity · · Score: 1

      The preferred term is "brogrammer".

    2. Re:Time to drive the hipsters out of the industry. by pspahn · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a great way to induce an age discrimination suit.

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  9. if he was that "tight"... by Hohlraum · · Score: 1

    they wouldn't have banned him in the first place. they would have contacted em and then made them resolve it.

  10. Re:Google Abuse by Threni · · Score: 1

    > google searches are near worthless

    You clearly aren't a developer who needs quick answers to edge-case problems which have affected a hangful of other people (including your client), or someone stalking their...uh...forget that - go with the programmer thingy.

  11. Re:Google Abuse by ganjadude · · Score: 1

    agreed. In my job I use google all day long to troubleshoot and whatI need is usually within the top 3 results. Granted my searches are usually for a specific error code

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  12. the advertizing genius by BringsApples · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I didn't RTFA I didn't even finish reading the whole summary. This is stupid advertizing. This makes me feel like looking for other news outlets...

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    1. Re:the advertizing genius by BringsApples · · Score: 2

      Thanks for the info. Don't let the door hit you on your way out.

      I think my cable company told me basically the same thing when I cut them out of my life 8 years ago, for so much advertizing. Turns out, there's a big push for getting rid of advertizing these days, by many folks. I guess you could get with the fine folks over at Netflix and see if they agree.

      You may also be able to get with the folks at slashdot, like 10 years ago. Each article used to draw in at least 350 responses. These days, looks like 100 is about average, 350 is going to have something to do with the NSA, and 150-200 will be a good discussion about actual 'news for nerds, stuff that matters'. I'm sure that if they keep up the same lazy editing, shotty stories, and advertizing, in another 10 years slashdot will be all but gone. If Google News enable a discussion for viewers, then slashdot should be very worried.

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    2. Re:the advertizing genius by umghhh · · Score: 2

      this maybe because the tech that was once newsworthy is not anymore. Either not a breaktrough or even so it is so complicated and/or sophisticated that nobody (i.e. fewer than 10 indihviduals) understands. It was once possible to write tools that mattered on your own - what was it last time when it happened?
      Looking at different angle - the geeky stuff about say obfuscated C code - how many answers does that get? All the allure and all the geeks are gone. Only some stubborn autists are still out there thinking C or C++ is stuff that matters. Gosh if Software mattered they would actually fix internet of pipes (or what was it called lately) so that no fuckhead can sue me for IP or some other shit. And NSA shit matters - we gave up our privacy one way or the other long time ago. We have no control over this and there are smart people out there using this mistake. How to fix that is a matter of urgency. NSA discussions do not really help that much - I admit this much as majority just does standard knee jerk stuff and throws abuse at NSA without thinking about say FB and other 'good guys'.

      So yes /. changed. Geeks changed and Stuff that matters changed too. Especially stuff that matters changed is a major factor: it is not some obscure piece of code but rather complex stuff like privacy and technical solutions that can support it. I may be mistaken but that is one of the biggest things that shape this century. There is a lot at stake: on one hand our freedoms on the other criminals. The internet that is free of all earthly limitations is not anymore. Clear that such important issue takes a lots of attention. Clear that the other tech stories even if coming in the same size and importance as before (which they do not) would attract less attention.

      Having said all this - tfa here is really substandard.

  13. Static typing writes unit tests for you by tepples · · Score: 1

    For one thing, static typing is like having unit tests that your compiler automatically writes for you. It automatically catches certain classes of program defects before your program even starts running. For another, sometimes you do have to count bits when you're trying to squeeze 10,000 concurrent HTTP or HTTPS connections on one server.

  14. Re:Google Abuse by slimjim8094 · · Score: 1

    He was modded redundant because it's bullshit. In the same breath, he complains about useless results due to spam as well as Google's attempt to stop people making the results useless due to spam. And apparently Google's algorithms are "broken" because they "created" a problem, namely SEO manipulation. But then he goes on to explain that AltaVista was subject to SEO manipulation as well. And he's condemning Google for attempting to fix it, while blaming them for being unable to! After using this silly logic to come to some (wrong, but still) weak conclusions, he goes on to make broad proclamations about the demise of Google, while complaining about lawsuits (like what?) and "arbitrary rules" (like these? Seems like they're pretty reasonable, and Rap Genius admitted to violating them). Easily the most worthless comment I've read on Slashdot in months, at least above score 0, and that's saying something.

    It gets even better when the website in question has said (from the fine summary!): "First of all, we owe a big thanks to Google for being fair and transparent and allowing us back onto their results pages. We overstepped, and we deserved to get smacked". But apparently this is Google being abusive and throwing a temper tantrum (which he says twice). Someone should tell Rap Genius, because they don't seem to think so.

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  15. Re:The standards are slipping, even by /. "standar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'm grumbling myself, having been around (and yes, trolling as AC sometimes) since pre-2000 myself. I changed users because I rather use a handle than my initials these days.

    Beta.slashdot.org is awful.

    Slashdot is bad, but what is out there is worse:

    Reddit just has people cooing about BitCoin and any sentiment to the contrary will get feedback similar to posting to /b/ saying how you can't stand anonymous users and this should be illegal.

    Digg is just plain fail. Too many people with lots of accounts that will bury you with their bots the second you say something out of the PC line.

    So far, the sanest discussion I see outside of private mailing lists or heavily moderated forums tends to be /., but the articles seem mainly to be about how cool BitCoin is, How cool the triad of treason Manning/Assange/Snowden is, another "revelation" about the NSA, or some article cooing about the latest Apple toy and how Apple can never fail or make a dud product.

  16. Re:Google Abuse by fred911 · · Score: 1

    "whatI need is usually within the top 3 results. Granted my searches are usually for a specific error code"

    I agree. The problem with many, many result pages are the users queries. Properly formed queries provide useful results.

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  17. Re:Who gives a...? by Ellie+K · · Score: 1

    "Rap Genius" is a misleading and silly name for what, transcription software like DragonWriter? Actually, it might not even be that good (all I read about lately are Internet piecework/ sweatshops that are supposedly "social" and "democratizing"...except they aren't).

    I know that Mark Andreessen funded it, but he isn't right about everything.

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