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PC Shipments In 2013 See the Worst Yearly Decline In History

An anonymous reader writes "The PC market continues to be in free fall, having now seen its seventh consecutive quarter of declining worldwide shipments. Worldwide PC shipments dropped to 82.6 million units in the fourth quarter of 2013, according to Gartner, a 6.9 percent decrease from the same period last year. It's worth emphasizing that this past quarter resulted in a total of 315.9 million units shipped in 2013, a 10 percent decline from 2012, and the worst decline in PC market history. The overall shipment level was equal to the one in 2009."

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  1. Current PCs are good enough. by roc97007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Film at eleven.

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    1. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by alen · · Score: 3, Interesting

      yep
      i have a 2 year old macbook i'll use for another few years

    2. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Also people are turning to tablets more often for casual computing rather than getting a 2nd or 3rd computer. And then some people just don't like Win 8.

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    3. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by msobkow · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Old PCs are good enough. I'm still on a 3.8 GHz P4 single core running Debian, and it's fast enough for everything I do but running my pet project or doing video encoding, both of which I do on my Core i7 laptop.

      My folks recently had to replace their machine. It's a quad core unit that is such serious overkill for email and surfing it's not even funny. Unless it breaks down, I doubt they'll *ever* have to replace it.

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    4. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Informative

      And then some people just don't like Win 8.

      You've actually met someone who does like Window 8?

      Everyone I know who's seen it takes one look, goes 'WTF?' and decides not to buy a new PC after all.

    5. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by hairyfish · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That, and that fact that Win8 is an unmitigated disaster. Had Win8 given us a Win7-type interface then I'm sure the slowing PC market wouldn't have slowed quite as quickly.

    6. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by roc97007 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There is that. It'd be difficult to quantify, but I suspect that there is a significant percentage of people who were going to get another PC, but decided to wait rather than struggle with Win8.

      But I think the overriding factor is that PCs made since, oh, 2007 are fast enough for any but the most demanding needs.

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    7. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by roc97007 · · Score: 5, Funny

      > You've actually met someone who does like Window 8?

      I have. Well, wait, he says he does, but he works in Redmond (true story) so it may be a job requirement.

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    8. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Old PCs are good enough. I'm still on a 3.8 GHz P4 single core running Debian, and it's fast enough for everything I do but running my pet project or doing video encoding, both of which I do on my Core i7 laptop.

      My folks recently had to replace their machine. It's a quad core unit that is such serious overkill for email and surfing it's not even funny. Unless it breaks down, I doubt they'll *ever* have to replace it.

      That's kinda the point -- you can't BUY a PC these days that isn't serious overkill for email and surfing.

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    9. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by orthancstone · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It'd be difficult to quantify, but I suspect that there is a significant percentage of people who were going to get another PC, but decided to wait rather than struggle with Win8.

      Doubtful. There's nothing sexy about a laptop, whereas Apple and Google (via Samsung and others) have made tablets the go-to computing device of the moment. Win8 is barely moving the needle on this decision; it is all being decided by form factor.

    10. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I can't believe people are choosing other tablets.

      So you think people buying a $70 Android tablet should be buying $1000 Surface tablets instead?

    11. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by unixisc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The biggest enemy of the PC industry has been.... (drumroll!) ...PCs

    12. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by Peristaltic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I open up Windows Store Apps only on the the Modern UI display and Win32/64 apps on the desktop displays.

      Okay, I'll bite: What benefit could you experience on the Metro side (worth dedicating a monitor) that you can't with the desktop?

    13. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by Peristaltic · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's Microsoft's fault. They won't allow the makers to sell you a PC without a tablet OS.

      I'm sure that's a significant factor. I wonder how the makers feel about that.

      Look no further "Samsung is blaming Windows 8 for its poor performance in the PC market and the overall decline of the industry as a whole."

    14. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by scamper_22 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What is odd though is that this is not an enviable market to be in. People spend all kinds of money on things they don't need or replacing things that work perfectly well.

      Even with something as expensive as cars, many people just want a newer car for the simple reason that it is newer. Their old car works perfectly well. But hey,,, time to buy a new car.

      People spend so much money eating out or on coffee and snacks... yet think twice before spending $1.99 or some app.

      People replace clothes all the time just because they're bored of it.

      Apple has probably been the most visible in its ability to get people to think of the computing market like they do the rest of life.

      I often catch myself thinking about my purchases. I'll be cheap about my computer or worry about spending money on a game that takes so much skill to make (so many programmers, graphic artists, managers...). Then I'll go out and spend $50.00 at a restaurant or blow $50 on a pair of jeans that probably cost $5 to make and rest is all show.

      Current PCs are good enough, but it is sad how poorly we treat the field relative to the rest of life.

      yeah, a PC is just a tool... and that's the problem.
      A cup of coffee is just a cup of coffee.
      A pair of jeans is just clothing.

      Somehow many other fields manage to make it more than that and that keeps the money going.

    15. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Informative

      I realize that you have not met me but I use Win 8.1 everyday at work and love it (took a while to get used too bout the same as Win7 did from XP)

      Oh please. Win7 was not different at all from WinXP; to the casual user, Win7 just looks like a re-skin of XP, except now the task bar shows tasks differently (using big icons instead of small icons with text), and there's a little area on the right with indicators/controls for things like WiFi, battery, etc. Overall, the usage is almost the same.

      Win8 is a complete sea-change from Win7/XP, at least until you can find the desktop, and even then you're still going right back to Metro any time you bring up the "start" menu.

    16. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > The market was never driven by equipment wearing out, it was always about rapid planned obsolescence.

      Well, it was also driven by being on the steep end of a new technology curve. The 386 was fast compared to the 8088, but the 486 was a godsend if you were doing anything besides text editing. There was a time when you couldn't want to get your hands on the next generation hardware, because current hardware really wasn't good enough. Now it is. (Has been for some time.)

      Honestly, I haven't seen a lot of planned obsolescence in current PC hardware. The examples I can think of have to do with software, not hardware. For instance, Windows XP getting slower and slower as the number of patches increases. (As discussed on Slashdot recently.)

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    17. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by unimacs · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because most people aren't interested using a command line, USB keyboards/mice, or X-box controllers on a tablet. Suitable alternatives to Word, Outlook, and Excel exist on other platforms and swiping to switch apps is not unique to the Surface.

      Lots of people thought the iPad would flop because what THEY wanted was a more lightweight and portable PC with a touch screen and decent battery life. That's not what an iPad is and it's not what the people who are buying them (and similar Android tablets) want.

      If you really want a mechanical keyboard there are tons of bluetooth choices and frankly I just don't understand why anyone would want to use a mouse with a tablet. It makes no sense. I'd rather have a tablet that's a great tablet and a PC that's a great PC than one device that's only marginally good at being either one.

    18. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by Penguinisto · · Score: 3, Informative

      Macs were the anomaly in all this - their "PC" sales went up 26% over the same time period.

      Ultimate source is Gartner, but found the info here: linky

      Also, if kept reasonably clean, a Mac will last way longer than the typical OEM box/laptop.

      Otherwise, in the PC realm? Yeah... over the past few years, I've just bought laptops as needed, and aside from my last purchase (because the old laptop was failing), that's been farther and fewer between.

      In other news, there is also the Tablet Effect; my wife went from a laptop to an iPad 4 last year, and it seems to suit her perfectly.

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    19. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by Man+On+Pink+Corner · · Score: 3, Informative

      Win8 + ClassicShell is fine. No drawbacks versus Windows 7 that I've run across. I've never seen Metro since the initial installation, it just isn't there.

    20. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Informative

      So, with console getting a major upgrade recently, do you expect to see a huge "move" in games in about 2 years?

      That 'major upgrade' makes the console about as fast as a low to mid-range gaming PC today.

    21. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Informative

      > Also, if kept reasonably clean, a Mac will last way longer than the typical OEM box/laptop.

      No it won't. It will become obsolete faster as it's completely unmaintainable. Anything that breaks will be harder to deal with. Obsolete components can't be swapped out.

      With a PC, I can do this myself or pay someone else. This isn't an option with a Mac.

      My old Mac is a doorstop. Can't even get OS updates for it. Similarly old PCs are fine, especially with an upgraded video card.

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    22. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Informative

      > But for $500, I want to be able to type up a document in a pinch. Plug in my USB devices. Connect to HMDI TV, plug in an SD Card, open a command prompt,

      I can do all of that with my phone. I can certainly do that with an Android tablet without spending $500 on it.

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    23. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Win8 + ClassicShell is fine

      Third party UI add-on. 95% of users will never even hear of it, much less use it. Meaningless to the over-all acceptance of Win 8.

    24. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by washu_k · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You do realize that a Celeron 847 is way faster than the GP's P4 3.8 GHz? Don't let the Celeron name fool you, it is still a dual core sandy bridge chip, just clocked low.

      The lowest end AMD E2s might get bested by the P4, but the higher clocked ones would still be a big improvement.

      The bigger problem with most cheap laptops is the slow HD and lack of RAM which would cripple any CPU. Give a Celeron 847 an SSD and 4GB+ and it would be fine for most non CPU intensive or gaming tasks. Much better than the P4 for sure.

    25. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Funny

      I went on a trip to Africa a few years back and by shear chance ended up traveling with a Microsoft Salesman. God was that a fun trip... I generally like giving people shit but this was special... ...and when he pulled out his windows phone, and it wouldn't connect... then it crashed... He had to borrow my Android... I just stood there grinning ear to ear every time he had to call home.

    26. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by sl149q · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They did bring back the "Start Button" for 8.1.

      Unfortunately not the actual Start Menu inside it thought :-(

      The current rumours say we'll see the actual Start Menu in 8.2. That plus auto start to desktop and you are almost back to Win 7!

      Will it be too little too late? Under the hood Win 8 is really not that much different from Win 7. Probably better. If you can keep corporate desktop users from having to screw around with Metro ever and make it look like Win 7 corporate use may pickup.

      I was in Home Depot last weekend and noticed that the Service Desk computers where still running WinXP Professional.

    27. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by gweilo8888 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Also, if kept reasonably clean, a Mac will last way longer than the typical OEM box/laptop.

      Is that from the ministry of made-up statistics? Because if so, I'd like to rebut with this, from the ministry of silly ministries -- I have multiple, perfectly-working Windows-based PC machines (both desktop and laptop) that are well over a decade old. In fact, the *only* component failures of any kind that I have had with my machines are hard disks, fans, and keyboards, all of which fail with identical frequency in Macs because they are the exact same components.

    28. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Funny

      Menus are passe. Nowadays you're supposed to just search for everything! Want to start Word? You don't need to just click on an icon, you need to select a search box and then type "word" to find it. Want to see what software is installed on that PC? You don't need to know that, just search for what you want!

    29. Re: Current PCs are good enough. by iamhassi · · Score: 3, Informative

      Mac hardware lasts longer, but the OS goes out of date far faster than PCs. A ten year old Windows XP machine can run all the latest browsers, but Apple updates OS X every year so a 2004 Mac can not run 2014 Firefox, IE or Chrome.

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    30. Re:Current PCs are good enough. by VortexCortex · · Score: 4, Funny

      I open up Windows Store Apps only on the the Modern UI display and Win32/64 apps on the desktop displays.

      Okay, I'll bite: What benefit could you experience on the Metro side (worth dedicating a monitor) that you can't with the desktop?

      Well, you don't get the benefit of a clean slate from swapping to a full screen UI and walking through the mental-door-way that helps you forget what you were about to do.

      You also benefit from the lack of discoverability that these gesture based interfaces present -- So you can sharpen your mind guessing at and maybe even learning new ways to do the things you already knew how to do.

      You also benefit from Microsoft's App store which charges developers a cut of profits; You see, I'm not going to eat that distribution cost, I'll pass it onto you so the the same app in their "modern" W8 store will costs you more than the desktop version -- Well, actually, I'll calculate adoption rate then distribute that MS tax across both the W8 UI and the desktop program to increase overall cost to you whether you use W8 or not. This is "beneficial" because it gives Microsoft a cut of software sales they never needed before, so they don't have to focus on their core competency (Selling you an OS with features you want), and instead can... well... Give gamers more glorious ads on their dash over the XBL service they pay for which operates via the same MS sales tax model; Fund more patent suits against FLOSS OSs they had no part in developing so they can roll out the MS tax to smartphones and tablets instead of having to compete; Run servers for software as a service so they can rent you MS Office, and help the NSA maintain "national" corporate interest "security", etc.

      You've got to look at things from MS's perspective: It's not a bug, it's a feature. It's only micro when it's soft, baby.

  2. Other industries are hurting too by therealkevinkretz · · Score: 4, Funny

    Iron lungs and horseshoes are still way down.

    1. Re:Other industries are hurting too by Entropy98 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Iron lungs and horseshoes are still way down.

      Who doesn't like a game of horseshoes? These kids with their Upset Birds. They need to go outside more.

      and who wouldn't want iron lungs? These pink ones get sore after the first pack of cigarettes.

  3. Computers these days are more than adequate by Jimbookis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anything sold in the last 4-5 years with an i3/i5/i7 with over 2GB of RAM and Vista or Win7 is still more than enough for most businesses and individuals. There is no real incentive to replace the whole machine when there are cheap options to upgrade with a few more GB and an SSD to give it a new lease of life.

  4. Nice to See Macs are Up by glennrrr · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apple's PC shipments are up 28% in the US. Good for them as a side business.

    1. Re:Nice to See Macs are Up by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Informative

      Let's see. Other than the case, a Mac is nothing but OEM components. Sure, they may be to some degree at the middle or higher tier of OEM components, but they're just off-the-shelf parts.

      A Porsche, on the other hand, isn't just a collection of generic components. Certainly there are some, but the engines, transmissions, suspension and the like are all unique to the Porsche. A Porsche is not just a Toyota Corolla in a different case.

      So yes, there is very much a thing called the Apple Tax. Call it what you will, but you pay a premium for the logo. The very existence of Hackintoshes shows you that a Mac is just a PC with some special custom ROMs to facilitate easy installation of OS-X.

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  5. Custom Builds by Koby77 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How many brand PC units were replaced by custom built PCs?

    1. Re:Custom Builds by Godkills · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Custom built PCs are a niche market. I highly doubt they would have anything near a 10% impact on the entire PC market.

    2. Re:Custom Builds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why not. It's an exponential market.

      After friends/relatives/neighbors wanted me to work on their pos dell/gateway/emachines/sony.. I talked most of them into building one for their next upgrade instead of going back to shit companys who won't support you anyway unless you pay. alot.

      Most of them went for the custom machine easy. Half the price. Better preformance. No crapware on top. And if i have to 'support' them. I don't want to do it for shitty machines. I built more than a few of them for people too. $50.. an hour of my time picking parts. an hour assembling and installing windows. $25 an hour for something i enjoy doing. Everyones happy and it ends up alot less work and downtime/problems for everyone in the future.

      And they go out and tell other people to get away from the name brand overpriced paying for a name machines. And it just keeps growing.

      I can easily see it being 10% of computers now. Maybe even 20%. Someones keeping newegg in business and growing.

    3. Re:Custom Builds by Billly+Gates · · Score: 5, Informative

      Custom built PCs are a niche market. I highly doubt they would have anything near a 10% impact on the entire PC market.

      Not anymore. Asus mentioned they have sold millions of high end/gaming motherboards as gamers no longer buy Dells and replace the GPU like they did in the old days.

      You can thank crappy PSU's and proprietary tiny cases for this decline as gamers are the only ones who upgrade besides corporations and they only do so every 10 years now when MS decides it needs more money for another OS upgrade.

    4. Re:Custom Builds by Tynin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      After friends/relatives/neighbors wanted me to work on their pos dell/gateway/emachines/sony.. I talked most of them into building one for their next upgrade instead of going back to shit companys who won't support you anyway unless you pay. alot.

      Most of them went for the custom machine easy. Half the price. Better preformance. No crapware on top. And if i have to 'support' them. I don't want to do it for shitty machines. I built more than a few of them for people too. $50.. an hour of my time picking parts. an hour assembling and installing windows. $25 an hour for something i enjoy doing. Everyones happy and it ends up alot less work and downtime/problems for everyone in the future.

      You sound like me ten year ago. I know everyone is different, but get out while you can. If you get more friends and family coming to you, you'll find more and more things breaking, more problems coming up, with expectations that your weekends are no longer yours. And more often than not, over time, these same friends and family will begin expecting you to just fix it, and may even get rude or cause you issues if you expect much more than a "Thank You! Till next time I my smoking causes my GPU to fail due to the dust gunk that caked over the heatsink causing it to overheat for the last few months". And somehow, again over time, they'll come to blame you for these problems that you should have been able to warn them about or prevent. I still assist close friends with anything I can help them with, because they aren't assholes, but some "friends" and definitely some family will take advantage of you. If you feel the desire to pursue this line of work, find a way to do it professionally, and only deal with customers.

    5. Re:Custom Builds by neuro88 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not anymore. Asus mentioned they have sold millions of high end/gaming motherboards as gamers no longer buy Dells and replace the GPU like they did in the old days.

      You can thank crappy PSU's and proprietary tiny cases for this decline as gamers are the only ones who upgrade besides corporations and they only do so every 10 years now when MS decides it needs more money for another OS upgrade.

      I was about to ask you to back up that claim, but a quick google shows what you're saying as true: http://www.maximumpc.com/gigabyte_asus_wrestle_motherboard_shipment_crown2013

      The article is a bit dated, but apparently Asus was expecting to ship 22.2 million mid to high end boards in 2013. It's starting to seem custom rigs (particularly for gaming) is hardly a niche. Maybe the market's somewhat smaller than desktop machines, but it's certainly large enough to be considered healthy and is still growing.

  6. I don't see why this was unexpected by zippo01 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This just isn't news to me. There is a large percentage of people that don't really need a PC todo what they do. play online, email, Social media, shop, pictuers, etc.... Until a few years ago the PC was the only way todo this so, they bought a PC. They bought an item that designed todo work and tweeked for home use, so it was overly complex for most. Along came the smart phone and tablet. Small, portable, works, it's SIMPLE and does everything they want/need it todo. Couple that with the slowing of PC speeds advances and new techknology, it is no wornder PC sales are down. They will continue to go down until they reach their new equilibrium.

  7. Window 8 by 0123456 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wasn't Window 8 released about seven quarters ago?

    1. Re:Window 8 by roc97007 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wasn't Window 8 released about seven quarters ago?

      Utter coincidence. Nothing to see here. Move along, now.

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  8. The PC is Dead! Long live the PC! by cogeek · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is no shock. They've been proclaiming the death of the PC for 15 years or better and the laptop for the last 5 or so. Tablets are cheap, they perform all of the functions the average user needs (browsing, email) But sit down and try to type a novel on a tablet. Or do any sort of CADD work. Programming, 3D modelling, animation, it's not going to happen on a tablet. And 3-4 years from now when everyone's tablet batteries start failing and people realize they have to throw them away and buy another, we'll see the laptop and PC coming back stronger, but it probably won't ever reach the levels it was once at. Doesn't mean it's going away, just the market balancing itself.

  9. Re:even compared to the number sold in 1975? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

    what does the worst in history mean?

    It means the worst in either absolute or percentage terms. It is far worse than 1975, since PC sales did not decline at all that year. The Altair 8800 was introduced in 1975, and it was a big hit. Sales were in the hundreds.

  10. Build your own by Sandman1971 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Now I'm only going by my circle of friends, family and acquaintances so this might be a small anomaly but...

    It appears that not only is tablet use displacing having a 2nd or 3rd PC, it is more importantly replacing the laptop (name brand). When buying a desktop, the people in my circle have been moving away from buying the Dells and Compaqs and other name brands and have either been building their owns or buying the local PC shop pre-mades, Numbers that wouldn't show up in these reports.

      As others have mentioned, today's desktop PCs also tend to last longer as they are still very powerful 3-4 years later.

    Mix all of these together and it's no surprise

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  11. My Quad Core is over 6 years old... by MindPrison · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...and still running just fine. Very little is happening on the PC market (except graphics card wise), I just couldn't justify upgrading to an i7 gaming platform that in Scandinavia cost around 2500$. It only had 16 gig memory, whereas my old one got 8 gig. The only thing I did to my "old" quad core pc, was to add a brand new Nvidia 760GTX, and basically every game ran smooth as ever. Even my 3D design software (which uses GPU rendering anyway) ran fantastic with this upgrade. So yeah, if more people do what I just did (which I suspect they do), there's part of your decline in sales right there - the new computers just aren't innovative enough to justify spending hard earned cash on them.

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  12. Have you seen the PCs they're selling these days? by nctritech · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Everyone will say "no sense replacing what works" and I agree. Let's look at what one would be able to buy now, though, and why people wouldn't buy it.

    On the low end of the price spectrum, you have Chromebooks (yuck, puke, no one sane buys these unless they put Linux on it instead), Celerons, and AMD E2 and A4 processors; none of those are even remotely fast. Moving up in price, you see a lot of AMD APUs and Intel Core i3-M systems. I've owned two fairly new laptops recently, one with an AMD A8-4500M ($400) and one with an Intel Core i7-2630QM ($830). The i7 was disappointing (it's a freaking i7, it should absolutely blaze) and only more so because for tasks that are not heavy in the data processing side of things (i.e. data/video compression, software compilation) the A8 seemed to move much faster than the i7 with identical Windows 7 images. Unfortunately, someone at AMD had the stupid idea of making the L1 instruction caches a pitiful 16KB in size and that makes data-heavy tasks run like dog poo.

    On the higher side of things, you find ridiculous and exotic offerings like the Yoga 2 Pro with a 13.3" LCD that has a 3200x1800 resolution (hint: you can't read anything at all unless you squint) and it comes with a low-performance ULV version of a mobile (read: already low-performance without being ULV) Core i5 and a nice low-performance Intel GPU, and all versions of this insane hardware combination are around the $1000 mark. I also firmly believe that while there is a market for "ultrabooks," the majority of people out there are wasting their money on "convertible laptops" and having touchscreens for Windows 8. It's a neat shiny new feature that ends up only being useful in niche situations and otherwise was no different than wrapping $400 up and chucking it in the rubbish bin.

    Why would anyone buy a new laptop when they are so ridiculous? If you're penny-pinching, you get a machine with tons of RAM, hard drive space, and maybe even USB 3.0, but the CPU is slow beyond belief and the whole system suffers. Dropping a few hundred more bucks might get you into i7 territory but even the i7 up to Sandy Bridge is, in my experience, not much better than equivalent higher-end chips in laptops made four years ago. Why blow $1000 on a really nice new laptop when they're either not much better than what you already own or they're an expensive high-resolution joke of a machine? No thanks; I'll wait until they sweeten the pot some more. (And until the convertibles fad goes to hell.)

  13. Re:Theories? by nctritech · · Score: 4, Informative

    I got it. I used it for a few months because I support "normal people" and had to learn it. I moved to Windows 7 and never put that scourge back on the laptop ever again. Windows 8 definitely contributed to driving down PC hardware sales.

  14. Re:Theories? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    III. is incorrect. The tech-savvies "coming of age" now have jobs, relationships, kids, responsibilities. Gone are the days of spending a whole day troubleshooting and tweaking video drivers to get the latest game to work. Now it's a matter of "I need it to work and don't have the time to fix it". That's when you realize the phones, tablets and Macs are built to be simple and reliable to use. Perhaps not perfect but reliable. Those who have come-of-age have a little more money than time these days.

  15. Modded funny but... by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think that's a factor. Last time I bought a PC it was partly because I wanted to upgrade to win7. Nobody wants to "upgrade" to 8, I expect a lot of people are waiting for MS to replace it with an OS that sucks less.

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  16. Re:Anyone surpised by this? by HiThere · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Tablets don't have decent keyboards. Smart phone additionally have screens that are too small.

    There are a lot of use cases where tablets and smartphones are sufficient. There's a huge number where they aren't. But people will use what they have on hand even if it's poorly adapted to the job.

    FWIW, I'm considering getting a smartphone. It has a use-case that makes sense. I can't see ANY case for a tablet...except for things like warehouse worker, or inventory control. The ergonomics of keyboards are bad enough.

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  17. Re:Hear that, Microsoft? by X0563511 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Don't.

    It's a computer - a tool. Bend it to your will, don't bend to it.

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  18. It's a Windows problem, not a PC problem by Stuntmonkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    Unit sales for Apple computers are way up year over year. Likewise unit sales for smart phones, tablets, game consoles -- literally everything with a CPU that doesn't run Windows -- are up year over year.

    This is a Windows problem. People don't get excited by clunky old Windows. They don't buy it because they love it, they buy it when they have to. And increasingly they don't.

  19. Massive Correction, not Death by morgauxo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A lot of people like to say that the Desktop PC is dead or dying. I doubt that but I think the market is going to shrink A LOT in the next 10 years. What people seem to forget is that before the internet most people did not have PCs and yet, there were several companies making a lot of money selling them.

    I think most people in our society have a strong aversion to technology. They don't want to learn about it, they may want something from it (the internet) but they don't want to make ANY effort to learn anything about it in order to get that. It's not that they are unable or even unwilling to learn something, it's specifically technology. They learn other things in absurd detail like sports stats and clebrity trivia.

    People don't want to see technology. They are repulsed by the site of something that looks technical. That's why TVs have to be flatter. You only see the front, the front is a picture of something else, not a TV. Before flat screens the big thing was to hide them inside cabinets with doors that close. People do that to their stereos too. Somehow a overpriced but cheap piece of fiberboard is better to look at than some shiny piece of kit.

    I think what we actually have is a society full of wannabe ludites. They would be ludites except... they can't break themselves of their internet and entertainment habits to become real ludites.

    But, now there are tablets and other small devices. Tablets and phones look more like jewelry and require less actual learning to use. So, the ludite wanabee masses are ditching the PCs they didn't really want to have in the first place and getting their fix from their.

    But, that tech friendly minority of the population that always existed before has not gone extinct. We too will use our tablets and phones where it is appropriate but some things are just better on a bigger device that is not encumbered by the size, energy and weight restrictions of a portable. We will buy Desktops just like we did 15-20 years ago. That is a much smaller market but it was big enough to float large corporations then, it will be big enough now... once the number of competitors is whittled down a bit.

    The sad thing is I think their time with PCs was actually starting to mend people's mass psychosis of tech hatred. Now people will just revert back to their old ways.

  20. Re:Hear that, Microsoft? by istartedi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It isn't just the UI. They need to get rid of Windows Store. They also need to distance themselves from UEFI boot restrictions both in word and deed. Windows 8 isn't just a bad UI. It's too much lock-in for the PC. Consumers are OK with their phone and even their tablet being an appliance. They want their PC to be general-purpose. PC users don't get a lot of credit. I think they appreciate these issues more than some realize.

    What they really ought to do is come out with service packs for the old OSs after their EOL dates, and charge subscription fees for patching. I'm on the record as being willing to pony up $30/yr. for XP patches rather than replace my old XP machine. A lot of people are in this, "take our money, please" situation; but MS won't go that way.

    Also, just make the full compiler suite free, dammit. It's not like that's really earning you a lot of revenue; but just think of how much more software you'll get when your developers don't have to sign up for some program or pay out like a bunch of weenies.

    In other words, quite being a bad copy of Apple and re-embrace your role as the competition that provides and alternative approach.

    Then for you next project you can do something like OSX with a BSD-based core; but don't abandon the old PC ecosystem. Do it as a separate project, a separate company perhaps to isolate it from the toxic corporate culture. The world is ready for Xenix 2.0 on the desktop now.

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  21. MAC will last longer ? by Archfeld · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Any cites for that so-called fact. MAC's are closed systems with a much more engineered life span than a clone PC. As stated previously no parts to be swapped any failure is the end of life for a MAC. The anomaly of MAC's upswing could be attributed to the absolute lack of any upgrade path.

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  22. Windows PCs just not necessary for home use anymor by technomom · · Score: 4, Informative

    We have a couple of aging Windows laptops in our house but they are slowly getting replaced by Chromebooks and tablets. There's just nothing that we run on Windows that absolutely 100% demands Windows. We're using Mint instead of Quicken now, that was the last Windows thing we used. On the Chromebooks, the kids use Google Docs or Microsoft's own cloud based Office when it is absolutely called for. They have yet to hand in an assignment this year where the teacher could tell what source program was used.

    The Windows laptops are used mostly for browsing and there's one that my husband keeps around because his work VPN is on it, but he hasn't used it in so long, he's not entirely sure the password is up to date. We also have one Macbook that gets a little usage.

    Even so, it's much more likely that if we ever buy an actual full on computer, it would more likely be a Macbook Air rather than a Windows PC. Just never warmed up to the Metro look at all. I tried it and it looked ugly and busy to me whereas the Mac look is still familiar and simple.

  23. The reality about PCs by nurb432 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This just go show several things:

    The market is saturated
    New computers are not that much better than what you have now.
    Most people never wanted a PC but wanted a tablet..
    The economy still sucks..

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