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Ask Slashdot: How Can I Improve My Memory For Study?

First time accepted submitter Sensei_knight writes "How serendipitous! Today I see Slashdot also has an article linking caffeine to long-term memory, but I digress. Recently I returned to college in my 30s, after battling a childhood sleep disorder, and I now discover staying awake might be the least of my troubles. Now that I failed a few classes I'm trying to analyze and overcome the causes of this recent disaster. Two things are obvious: First, it takes me way too long to complete tasks (as if suffering from time dilation) — tests take me approximately twice the amount of time to finish [and the amount of time it takes to study and do homework is cumulative and unsustainable]. Secondly, I just can't seem to remember a whole lot. I know sleep and memory are very closely related, perhaps that's why I have never been able to commit the times tables to memory. My research on the subject of memory has not been very fruitful, therefore I want to ask for input into which angle/direction I should look into next. As for cognitive speed, I have completely drawn a blank."

384 comments

  1. Sleep study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1. Have you gotten treatment, as an *adult*, for your sleep disorder? (e.g. overnight sleep study, etc.)
    2. Do you follow all the best practices for sleep -- e.g. sleep routine, e.g.only use sleeping area for sleep, avoid caffeine, no TV in bed, etc.?

    It seems to me you need to address the sleep issue first if it's still ongoing.

    1. Re:Sleep study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I find vigorous sex at bedtime really helps me to fall asleep quickly. Unfortunately, I've been wearing a cast on my hand for the last two weeks and my quality of sleep has really suffered.

    2. Re:Sleep study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't bother. How about trying to understand the material, rather than just memorizing it? Oh, but the myriad of crappy colleges don't want that.

    3. Re:Sleep study by rodrigoandrade · · Score: 4, Funny

      This tip is for someone asking on /. ? Seriously?

    4. Re:Sleep study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I don't think you understand why the joke is funny.

    5. Re:Sleep study by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I find vigorous sex at bedtime really helps me to fall asleep quickly. Unfortunately, I've been wearing a cast on my hand for the last two weeks and my quality of sleep has really suffered.

      Playboy, in the 70s, suggested having your girlfriend give a BJ while your were studying, then the next day, while taking the test, just remember the experience from the night before. They actually had some data to back it up (although I doubt it was statistically valid), and it seemed to only work with someone there was an emotional connection with.

      That said, being /., the biggest problem to implement that study technique will be finding a girlfriend.

    6. Re:Sleep study by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 1

      Dr. Richard Kimble is looking for you.

    7. Re:Sleep study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree with comment #45954615
      The middle part makes this perfectly in tune with /. culture

    8. Re:Sleep study by gangien · · Score: 2

      While I understand your point, the whole "why remember something I can look up in a book" thing.

      Being able to remember stuff is incredibly useful. From simply remembering a schedule (which can be complicated) to remembering how you solved another problem.

    9. Re:Sleep study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No kidding. My wife has hardly gone down on me since we got married!

      Redundant.

    10. Re:Sleep study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find vigorous sex at bedtime really helps me to fall asleep quickly. Unfortunately, I've been wearing a cast on my hand for the last two weeks and my quality of sleep has really suffered.

      Bwahahaha!

    11. Re:Sleep study by rwise2112 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I find vigorous sex at bedtime really helps me to fall asleep quickly. Unfortunately, I've been wearing a cast on my hand for the last two weeks and my quality of sleep has really suffered.

      Remind me of one of David Letterman's Top Ten Lists from a long time ago:

      Surprises from a recent sex survey:

      For teenage boys, the most frequeny fantasy during sex is ..... having a partner!

      --

      "For every expert, there is an equal and opposite expert"
    12. Re: Sleep study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Men. Try nootropics.

    13. Re:Sleep study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a fantastic study! I'm 100% ready to participate in reproduction, where can I apply for that? No no no, I want to take the part on the control group, that "no emotional connection - heterosexual - high visual reputation" group, or "on-time stimulation" group instead of the main "recalling in-test" group. For Science. Seriously.

  2. I used to know... by drwho · · Score: 4, Funny

    but I forgot.

    1. Re:I used to know... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 3, Funny

      That reminds of an old joke ...

      "Memory is the second thing to go when you get old.
      I would tell you the first but I forgot."

  3. go to a school there is about skills not test cram by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    go to a school there is about skills not just test cramming

  4. See a psychologist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    First see your physician for a a checkup and make sure it's nothing like Thyroid, diabetes or something phsycial. Then see a psychologist (your doc probably can refer you) and see if they have some advice - and they may refer you to a psychiatrist for medical treatment.

    You could have a number of issues from undiagnosed dislexia or depression - depression really screws with learning and memory and being depressed doesn't ncessarilty mean you are bed ridden crying your eyes out.

    1. Re:See a psychologist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      100% good advice. This could be anything from vision problems to ADD. Not something that can be self treated based on advice from /.

    2. Re:See a psychologist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes. Sleep disturbance and diminished cognivive/memory function are classic signs of clinical depression. A common misconception of depression is that it's an emotional disorder, or that emotional sadness/distress are necessary components, but they are just symptoms in some people with the condition.

      OP is a very good candidate for a professional depression screening since the symptoms presented *strongly* suggest untreated chronic depression.

    3. Re:See a psychologist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>depression really screws with learning and memory

      +1 for this. I went through a period in college where I actually thought I had organic brain damage. It turns out, it was severe depression combined with some ADD.

    4. Re:See a psychologist. by mnooning · · Score: 1

      Yes, indeed. I am retired now, but I went back for my MS in my mid 30s. There did not seem to be any stamina or mental differences vis-a-vis my college days. I would ask a doctor what could/should be checked for. Good luck!

    5. Re:See a psychologist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "See a psychologist." BAD ADVISE!!! When the government finds out you saw one, not more guns. And all your medical information is being sent to the government now.

    6. Re:See a psychologist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, do see a physician. Long term sleep deprivation shuts down a lot of "whatever" is required to form memories. While I only am aware of the phenomenon, and cannot describe it in scientific detail, I can state that the laboratories which are reporting this are not the "junk science" labs. Perhaps they even already have a working model of the process in detailed biochemical pathways, considering the improvement in the scant amounts of information being leaked into the common press.

      Even slashdot managed to run an article a while back that reflected the mind's need for sleep to properly form and hold memories, with hints toward it being a time of biochemical resetting of "junk" (probably byproduct proteins) in the brain.

      Research on sleep (fly model) also shows that sleep is a two chemical control system. One acts as a suppressor for the degradation of the other. Genetic variance in the population might account for why some can get by without sleep; however, a very rare disorder prevents sleep (100% prevention) with an onset in the mid 30's. Within that family containing the defect, fatality rates are 100% within a month of no sleep.

      Most people can alter their sleep effectiveness with changes in lifestyle. No computer or television time (staring into bright lights, a nook wouldn't fall under the rule) an hour prior to sleeping. No non-sleep activity in your primary sleeping space (no in bedroom offices, for example), and an honest attempt to keep your sleep cycle in sync with daylight / night time outdoor light can more than double the efficiency of sleep; however, efficiency is not measure in how much sleep you get, it is measured in how much performance you get due to a good night's sleep

    7. Re:See a psychologist. by Psyborgue · · Score: 1

      +5 . I was gonna say just this. It could also be something neurological. It could be psychological. It could be diet. It could be sleep patterns. It could be all sorts of things, none of which slashdot is qualified to diagnose. It's like asking for legal advice here. Stupid fucking idea. Myabe don't see a shrink first, but if the physical gets ruled out, then it's always a good idea to look towards the psychological.

    8. Re:See a psychologist. by socrplayr813 · · Score: 1

      Replying mostly to undo a moderation misclick, but I'll chime in as well:

      AC here really is giving good advice. I've seen and experienced similar effects. Depression could be the cause for (or at least a contributing factor to)
      all the issues that were described.

      Absolutely take a look at your diet and exercise. Deficiencies in your diet can have a huge effect on your mental abilities and can be a major contributing factor in depression, if that is a cause of your problems.

      I also strongly recommend following up on some of the suggestions farther up the page for improving sleep. Most artificial light (including computer screens and TVs) actually does have an effect on your body's internal mechanisms. If you absolutely must use your computer near bedtime, I recommend using redshift on Linux or f.lux (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F.lux). These will change the color of the output to reduce the effect on your sleep.

      Last, don't be shy about discussing your issues with the appropriate people at the school. If it is a medical issue, they should be very willing to help you deal with it and/or work around it.

      Been there before (though maybe not quite as serious) and it's not fun. Good luck.

      --
      The confidence of ignorance will always overcome the indecision of knowledge.
    9. Re:See a psychologist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are not at all unique in your problem. And there likely will be prepackaged solutions available. I'd really suggest going to see the school psychologist (down at the health department). Very likely they'll hear you out, nod sagely, and then stick a DVD in a player, saying "watch this". And it really does help. And it doesn't cost anything beyond the tuition you already paid.

      Now, that said, if you are at all in a technical field, I *strongly* suspect that if your tests take too long, you may be short on training, not memory. If that's the case, what you need is pracctice. More specifically, you need LOTS OF HOMEWORK PROBLEMS. In fact, do every problem in the book. Do the ones that the book gives answers to, first; then do the ones that it doesn't give the answers to.

      In fact, if there is one stage of the problem that is giving you trouble -- maybe, indeterminate integrals, then go ahead and get the book that teaches indeterminate integrals, and DO EVERY PROBLEM. Even better, sign up for the class and take it again, and DEP.

    10. Re:See a psychologist. by s.petry · · Score: 1

      While there are certainly things you can do to improve your memory, I think this advice is correct. You are not just wanting to strengthen your brain, you have something not working quite right. Assuming you exercise, eat healthy, and exercise your brain a bit each day your mind and body should both shut down to rest at some point. If you are doing none of those things, or even some of them well you may want to start there.

      A regular doctor should be able to tell you if your heart rate, blood pressure, and overall health is normal. They may offer advice on things they see that appear wrong, such as increasing exercise or a change in diet.

      When you get to a "normal" sleeping state, then you can look at improving memory. Reading is probably one of the best things to do regularly, followed by logic puzzles and memory games. Fish and high protein foods are good for brain function, but also can be a health concern due to mercury and other toxins found in nearly every fish today.

      --

      -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    11. Re:See a psychologist. by napulist · · Score: 1

      A common misconception of depression is that it's an emotional disorder, or that emotional sadness/distress are necessary components, but they are just symptoms in some people with the condition.

      Depression is a mood disorder. How is this a misconception? What criteria of depression allows someone to be diagnosed with it without exhibiting emotional distress?

    12. Re:See a psychologist. by hey! · · Score: 1

      This is good advice.

      I'll also give you the advice I gave my daughter going off to college. Problems will arise, you'll have bad days and sometimes bad course. Give yourself every advantage. Start by taking good care of yourself. Eat well, exercise, and sleep. Pace yourself. Cramming is the most inefficient way possible to study, so study in smaller chunks more frequently -- every day in fact. Always keep up or a little ahead of the course to avoid pointless cramming.

      You can't remember what doesn't pass through your consciousness, so pay attention, and take notes. You don't have to look at the notes again, but the process of engaging the brain enough to translate a lecture into notes helps fix it there. Also, some people need to move to remember, and note taking, even doodling can help. In extreme cases you might need to play back lectures on your iPod while you walk (many schools make lectures available on video).

      --
      Post may contain irony: discontinue use if experiencing mood swings, nausea or elevated blood pressure.
    13. Re:See a psychologist. by Macgrrl · · Score: 1

      Yes. Sleep disturbance and diminished cognivive/memory function are classic signs of clinical depression.

      I would also say that diminished cognitive/memory function and clinical depression are classic signs of a sleep disorder based on my husband's experiences of severe obstructive sleep apnea. (When I say severe, I mean having seizures, hallucinating, not sleeping properly for over a decade before correct diagnosis and treatment).

      --
      Sara
      Designer, Gamer, Macgrrl in an XP World
    14. Re:See a psychologist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about a psychiatrist, but definitely see a doctor. What your describing is brain fog and it can be caused by a lot of things.

      Diet (Allergies / Sensitivities)
      GI Infection (H. Pylori)
      Chronic Poisoning (chemicals / heavy metals)
      Thyroid / Diabetes related

      Some people quickly discount the possibility of poisoning, we're exposed to things everyday.
      For example, did you know dental silver fillings are made from tin and mercury which should be stable
      but isn't because of reactions with bacteria biproducts.

    15. Re:See a psychologist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up.

    16. Re:See a psychologist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I finished my BA when I was 46 so I empathize! Sorry for the anon ID, but I do have a book suggestion. Make Your Brain Smarter, Chapman, just came out this month. A webinar was held not two hours ago on this topic by the author. She presented facts about memory and provides ways to improve it. I also have a book at home on reading techniques that might help but don't remember the title off the top of my head. (Considering the topic this is kind of funny.) I'll post it tomorrow. Nevertheless, I hope i don't get modded out and I hope this helps you.

    17. Re:See a psychologist. by Desty · · Score: 1

      When you get to a "normal" sleeping state, then you can look at improving memory. Reading is probably one of the best things to do regularly, followed by logic puzzles and memory games. Fish and high protein foods are good for brain function, but also can be a health concern due to mercury and other toxins found in nearly every fish today.

      Apparently logic puzzles don't provide much benefit in brain function, even though it seems intuitive that they should. Strangely enough computer games of various sorts have been shown to improve cognitive abilities. Playing tetris for a little while every day actually resulted in a measurable increase in thickness of cortex tissue in one study, along with improved language skills of all things. Playing first-person shooters helped make certain parts of the brain process things more efficiently.

      Then, for working memory and (I think) executive function, the adaptive dual n-back (DNB) has shown to be quite useful, although the effect size might be smaller than initially reported.

      You're absolutely right that proper exercise, diet and sleep are by far the most important things to have. Having poor quality sleep in particular has an enormous negative impact on long-term memory and can lead to atrophy of the hippocampus and parts of the prefrontal cortex. So I'd recommend spending a lot of effort on really fixing your sleep as it's worth proportionally more than probably any other intervention, and it's easy to keep fixed once you've gotten into a good routine. A good routine is at least 7.5 - 8 hours of decent uninterrupted shuteye at consistent times. Dietary and behavioural changes can also help improve sleep and ensure that you get good slow-wave activity (this is the part that usually suffers most as we age, and is linked with memory deficits). Try to measure your activity with a sleep tracker, and see what's going on.

  5. Just remember the golden rule of long term memory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Repetition is the key.

  6. Study help by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One thing I recently learned was that controlled breathing while studying really improves your focus and definitely improved my retention. A guy showed me how to breath in and out with slow breaths 5 secs on the inhale and exhale first through the mouth and then after i got the timing down, the nose.

    From what I have heard, it is the same type of technique used by snipers.

    1. Re:Study help by DexterIsADog · · Score: 1

      One thing I recently learned was that controlled breathing while studying really improves your focus and definitely improved my retention. A guy showed me how to breath in and out with slow breaths 5 secs on the inhale and exhale first through the mouth and then after i got the timing down, the nose.

      From what I have heard, it is the same type of technique used by snipers.

      Unfortunately, this is the same technique used in advanced Tantric sex techniques. Not what you want to deal with in the middle of a proctored test.

  7. Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by Nutria · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If you can't do that, then maybe University isn't for you.

    Bottom line: not everyone is able to do what most other people can do (hence "dis-abled"), and -- speaking from experience -- must make the best of your limitations.

    --
    "I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
    1. Re:Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by YumoolaJohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling

      Yep. This level of memorization is indeed "schooling"; what it isn't, though, is education.

    2. Re:Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by serenity.city · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is hogwash. Education has nothing to do with memorization. Memorization is not understanding. Two entirely different beasts.

    3. Re:Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      It depends on which level of "education" you are talking about because it sure the hell isn't critical thinking these days!

      "A Mathematician's Lament"
      http://worrydream.com/refs/Lockhart-MathematiciansLament.pdf

      and

      "The Underground History of American Education"
      http://www.johntaylorgatto.com/underground/

      Education comes from the latin word "Educare" which means "To draw out that which lies within" not the "fill up with useless facts" paradigm that the current establishment loves.

      --
      I have professionally shipped games on DS, PS1, PS2, PS3, PC, and Wii.

    4. Re:Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by BoRegardless · · Score: 1

      Memory can be incresed by, I know you want to know, both daily exercise and by travelling to different areas, towns, venues to stimulate thinking and logic.

      Trying these are basically low cost options to improvement that anyone can do.

    5. Re:Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by burningcpu · · Score: 1

      I think you're being more than a little harsh here. Almost all of us have some sort of difficulty to work through when it comes to higher education. Would you have told Steven Hawking to go home?

    6. Re:Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Memorization and understanding are both connected to education. You definitely don't want too much of the former, or emphasis on one as a replacement for the other, but you do need some of both. You need understand in order to combine and apply knowledge to new situations, but you still need some basis in knowledge to apply. The exact balance will vary with field.

      For example, if you want to learn programming, you need a fundamental understanding of what the computer is doing, and some basics in math and algorithms goes a long way to big picture design. But if you can't remember the syntax of a language, you are going to have trouble getting far. If you can't remember some of the basic objects and functions in a framework or API relevant to your project, it could be painfully or even inhibitively slow to constantly be looking those up.

      An intro level physics course shouldn't have you memorizing equations, and should be emphasizing how to combine them together to deal with various situations. But if you ever go to a higher level physics course, you won't get far if you have to keep looking up some of the basic equations.

      While it is good start to learn some of the basic ideas and where to go to look things up if you need the things you can remember, practical level skills frequently require applying things from memory.

    7. Re:Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude don't be so quick to slap a disabled label on the guy because he's having memory issues. Maybe its his lifestyle thats affecting his brain. It happens. Work burn out, family issues, lack of physical exertion, lack of fun or social interactivity can (i believe) be contributing factors. You just have to re-asses your life, see what needs change, and try different things to see what works. Exercise, supplements and a little fun(whatever that is for you) can help things.

    8. Re:Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Drop out" is terrible advice. I proctored many exams as a grad student, and at least at UC Berkeley, something like 1% of the students had similar issues (I'm not sure what, since such things are handled respectfully, and kept confidential). Anyway, in such circumstances, we'd find a quiet room, and / or give them double time, depending on their condition. The students in question seemed to be doing fine with their coursework (as well as the general population of students).

      This was set up and handled via the university's office for students with disabilities (grad students and instructors have no decision making power on this stuff -- people with medical/psych training work with doctors to decide on a proper course of action) I suggest you talk to a counselor at the analogous office at your school.

    9. Re:Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by skids · · Score: 1

      Education has nothing to do with memorization.

      This is a knee-jerk over-reaction to poor educational experiences. Yes some educators throw useless memorization busy-work at students. No, memorization is not useless. Pulling things into fast-cache in wetware makes some forms of cognition possible that are not possible when pulling them off google or other reference material.

    10. Re:Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Would you have told Steven Hawking to go home?

      If he wanted to be an artists, mechanic, chef, carpenter, etc, etc -- trades which require abilities manifestly beyond his capacity --, then yes, I would have.

      --
      "I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
    11. Re:Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is hogwash.

      Education has nothing to do with memorization. Memorization is not understanding. Two entirely different beasts.

      Education has nothing to do with learning anymore. Two entirely different beasts.

      Not sure what decade you were last in a college classroom, but Rote Memorization of Pointless Bullshit can and does accurately summarize 98% of four-year degrees out there.

      Understanding that memorization is key in college, is critical to success in that particular venture.

    12. Re:Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You still have to memorize things in order to receive an education. The two go hand-in-hand. You can't learn Shakespeare's plays and appreciate the plot if you can't understand the words. You can't do math if you can't remember the difference between multiplication and division. You can't understand the evolutionary history of chelicerates and compare them to crustaceans if you don't know what a chelicerate is. You can't pose interesting questions and test them experimentally if you can't remember the basics of what's already known.

      School should be a heavy dose of both memorization and other learning techniques (e.g., critical thinking). But if you think you can do without memorization then you are probably one of those people who thinks google has eliminated the need for development of that skill. Students often grumble about memorization, but you have to do quite a bit of it before you have the foundation to start asking the bigger questions. It's like learning a vocabulary. If that's *all* you're doing, then, yes, it's a valid criticism of the teaching approach, but don't make it sound like some level of memorization isn't a legitimate part of education.

    13. Re:Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, I'm think about medical school. Are you saying doctors don't get educated, or are you saying they don't need to memorize much?

    14. Re:Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Surprise, surprise: memorization (storage, accurate and efficient retrieval) is important for ALL KINDS of learning. Your nitpicking on terminology not withstanding.

      If you can suggest areas where it is NOT one of central things, please share. Note that even things like mastering an instrument require good memory, but this includes motor-side of things; your neural pathways learn and sort of remember sequences of things -- otherwise it would be impossible to play fastest passages as the mere latency of neural signalling is not fast enough to allow brains to control fine motoric (fingers, hand etc) movements at required pace & granularity.

    15. Re:Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      When you don't know the dates of the US Civil War, how can you compare the plight of the slaves in the US to the Serfs in Russia? Knowing the order of the freeing of the slaves world-wide makes a huge difference in understanding. Much like some people blame Sufferage for Prohibition. How can you evaluate that if you don't know which came first? Yes, memorizing the date of Little Big Horn isn't necessarily useful, but putting seemingly unrelated things into chronological order is an important skill that relies on memorization.

    16. Re:Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Never let school interfere with your education." -- Mark Twain (as Tom Sawyer)

    17. Re:Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most doctors I know are great at memorization, not so much with education.

      One of my friends is a perfect example of this effect. He can diagnose all sorts of psychiatric ailments and remember all sorts of prescription interactions and probably has the DSM totally memorized, but still thinks going out in the cold weather is how you catch a cold and seems to be totally oblivious to kitchen cross contamination hazards and seems to fall for every single fad diet that comes out to attempt to lose a few extra pounds he picked up since med-school...

      He's really smart (graduated HS at 14), but it's actually pretty sad he's so uneducated for a doctor...

    18. Re:Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Education has nothing to do with memorization.

      This is a knee-jerk over-reaction to poor educational experiences. Yes some educators throw useless memorization busy-work at students. No, memorization is not useless. Pulling things into fast-cache in wetware makes some forms of cognition possible that are not possible when pulling them off google or other reference material.

      Hear, hear. I couldn't agree more.

      I generally find that people who complain that "X isn't real education" are people who simply can't do X.

    19. Re:Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your ability to understand concepts seems significantly impaired here: while there is no equivalence, there is strong dependency.
      Learning things does require a whole lot of memorization, even if much of it is indirect; that is, not forced repetition to explicitly remember individual facts, but ability to recall everything that your brains need to process information. You may want to read more about modern cogn psych research; memory system of brains is much, much more complicated than most people even imagine. It is quite unlike memory storage of computers, for example, much more elaborate, deeply compressing, and both more amazing and much reliable than mechanical or electric systems.

    20. Re:Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by YumoolaJohn · · Score: 1

      You still have to memorize things in order to receive an education.

      Please reread what I said. "This level of memorization is indeed "schooling"; what it isn't, though, is education."

      And you could've just left the unnecessary garbage at, "If you had no ability to retain information, you'd have nothing to work with."

      School should be a heavy dose of both memorization and other learning techniques (e.g., critical thinking).

      There shouldn't be much memorization at all, or rather, forcing people to memorize random garbage is a waste of time 99% of the time. Learning to understand the material will likely mean you'll memorize it, anyway.

      What schools do is not education; it is pure rote memorization.

    21. Re:Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by YumoolaJohn · · Score: 1

      I'm saying that almost always schools do a poor job of educating people because they focus on rote memorization rather than understanding, not that all memorization is bad.

    22. Re:Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by YumoolaJohn · · Score: 1

      Surprise, surprise: memorization (storage, accurate and efficient retrieval) is important for ALL KINDS of learning.

      Let me just direct you to my other comment. Pure rote memorization almost never equals education. Understanding is education.

    23. Re:Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by YumoolaJohn · · Score: 1

      Knowing what came first is pretty much all that's needed. I barely ever remember random dates, and that's because they're written down somewhere (in books, on the Internet, etc.); I simply have no need to. I might end up memorizing them naturally if I work with the information enough, but it's just a waste of time to make a specific effort to memorize dates.

    24. Re:Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The question submitter should enroll at a university offering compressed 8-week courses delivered on-line instead of traditional courses. I returned to school in my late thirties and successfully completed a degree without having to memorize anything; instead we have lots of research and writing assignments with the rare course having an examination (mathematics courses mostly). I had already earned many credit hours from two years on-campus courses but the work necessary to successfully complete the on-line courses was at least twice as much yet I learned far more than twice as much compared to my traditional on-campus courses taken during my twenties. Memorization is stupid especially in a society with exponentially growing amounts of information. Research skills, critical thinking skills, writing skills, and problem solving are more relevant in the twenty-first century.

    25. Re:Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Hardly entirely different.

      Understanding something will make it much easier to remember. If you have to remember something, putting in some effort to understand it is likely to do better than just trying rote memorization.

      It will be easier to understand something if you can remember the relevant facts. History will make more sense if you can remember what happened in what order and where. Current events will make more sense if you can remember historical parallels.

      Memorizing a lot of stuff is much less important than it used to be. Currently, remembering that there is something and how to find something with a short Wikipedia or Google search will frequently do as well as remembering something in detail, and it's a lot easier. This doesn't work without a vague memory of a subject, though.

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    26. Re:Memorizing stuff is pretty central to schooling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I generally find that people who complain that "X isn't real education" are people who simply can't do X.

      I generally find people who things such as this to be idiots. Even if what you're saying is true, it's 100% irrelevant.

      Second of all, to say that people are saying that all memorization is bad is a straw man. Time for you to sleep, ultimatumness Tom.

  8. Not an easy answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You're asking the wrong audience, unless there are people here who have experienced similar troubles. You need to talk to qualified specialists.

    The general advice seems to be: eat healthy, regular aerobic exercise, get the right amount of high-quality sleep, and do lots of memory practice (get the right amount of sleep for you -- my memory suffers if I sleep too much)

    In your case, general advice probably isn't adequate

    1. Re:Not an easy answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course you are offering advice which is self contradicting.
      Sir I advise you to not follow advice from this forum!

    2. Re:Not an easy answer by xclr8r · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm in a similar situation only older . Here is what is working for me (going from D's to A- and B+'s)

      You're older - it will take longer to assimilate information. Plan accordingly - that means studying on the weekend in advance of the class not night before. Ask the professor to point to any large blocks of information that you should commit to memory at the beginning of the semester in preparation.

      You are not a sponge - all night-ers are not going to help. Give yourself at least two nights of rest and then test your recall.

      Taking twice as long on tests seems on the long end - I take about 1.5x the time of traditional students on tests. Realize that some of them don't know the material either so are just turning in what they can. That said get a learning disability test to see if you do need special considerations (it may just be using a quiet area to take a test with no people around is all you need to focus).

      Usually (depending on field) the lower division courses are memorization and the upper division courses show how parts work in systems which is the important aspects.

      Try and see your study material in an applied setting. Putting pictures/experience to terms that need to be memorized is vital.

      Good luck.

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      Beware of those who profit off the docile and persecute the unbelievers.
    3. Re:Not an easy answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That said get a learning disability test to see if you do need special considerations (it may just be using a quiet area to take a test with no people around is all you need to focus).

      I absolutely recommend this! I have 2 siblings with learning disabilities and this sounds like a very likely cause. If you do in fact have a learning disability, the test will give you a lot of information about it and ways you can work around it. For instance, one of my sisters has to do large projects in small, well-defined tasks or she just shuts down, learning this made a HUGE difference in her schooling.

      Also, if you have a proper learning disability test, most schools (even post-secondary) will make accommodations for you, particularly for tests. Depending on the learning disability, you may be allowed to use reference material, a computer (for typing instead of hand writing), etc.

      Your college counsellors, student reps, or similar should have information on where you can get tested. The tests are similar to IQ tests, but much more interactive and usually consist of a few hours at most.

      Note: posting anonymously to protect the privacy of others.

  9. Stop making excuses and just get it done. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is what our society has turned into.

  10. Non-traditional students by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm in a similar boat as you only older. I've found that wrote memorization actually does not stick but if you have to then writing the information down over and over again will eventually help. There is no way around longer study times for those of us in our later years - we are not sponges like in our youth. What works for me is relating the item to be memorized with it's application and how it works in a system. This is natural and why you see historically lots of older members be community leaders and arbiters over internal conflict.

    Hopefully at the end of the course you will use this broader long view perspective to your advantage and your upper division courses will value and reward that insight but you have to get the foundation down first. Good luck.

    1. Re:Non-traditional students by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YES, this - writing down the process stepwise and continuing to look at it as a process. Super helpful for me.

      captcha: "solvable"

  11. Nootropics by tlambert · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nootropics

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nootropic

    Not sure if it's the right band-aid for you. Treat the sleep disorder first.

    1. Re:Nootropics by PJ6 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nootropics

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nootropic

      Not sure if it's the right band-aid for you. Treat the sleep disorder first.

      I tried Piracetam for a while... seemed like a safe, cheap miracle drug for memory. And you know what? It does what it says on the tin.... but I stopped taking it. After a while I realized that I remembered all the words to the books I'd been reading. It was awful. I looked at them and thought, I will never read these again. Every book I'd read on it, I ended up getting rid of.

      Having your memory force-stuffed isn't all it's cracked up to be. Unless you need to reverse age-related cognitive decline, I don't recommend it.

    2. Re:Nootropics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, the bullshit that gets points these days. Piracetam won't make you remember every word in a book that you have read. Think about it. If that was the case, you would have heard about this miracle drug. Taking piracetam will have a slight unnoticeable effect. Nothing to write home about at all.

    3. Re:Nootropics by ortholattice · · Score: 1

      Be careful with priracetam. There is anecdotal evidence that although it may make people with low IQ/memory problems smarter, it might also make people with high IQ dumber. Personally, I tried it for a while and it seemed to make no difference. (Does that mean I have an unremarkable IQ? :-) )

    4. Re:Nootropics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      After a while I realized that I remembered all the words to the books I'd been reading.

      WTF? If piracetam had worked that well for me, I'd still be taking it. As it happened, I found that I rather quickly built up a tolerance to it, and it didn't do anything that other stimulants didn't.

    5. Re:Nootropics by PJ6 · · Score: 1

      Wow, the bullshit that gets points these days. Piracetam won't make you remember every word in a book that you have read. Think about it. If that was the case, you would have heard about this miracle drug. Taking piracetam will have a slight unnoticeable effect. Nothing to write home about at all.

      Of course everyone responds differently, but I know you don't know what you're talking about - double-troll! There is most definitely an effect to 'write home about' (which has nothing to do with memory) that everyone I know who's taken it mentions. Instead of being all sour grapes why don't you try it yourself.

  12. wetware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    check out rewrite your wetware, a developers guide.

    Also try reading material last thing at night, over and over. Then it's often just "there" when you need it.

  13. Logic Puzzles by sandytaru · · Score: 1

    Good old fashioned brain teasers can help a lot. I used to do the cross hatch logic problems published by Dell magazines. Crossword puzzles, maybe even sudoku. Thing is, your sleep disorder is probably a major factor in your memory issues - our brains commit short term memory to long term while we sleep, and any sleep disorder that disrupts that process will have an adverse impact on your memory.

    If you want to try the drug route, I use phosphodatyl choline supplements during crunch time. That's more for people with the occasional ADD symptom, though.

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    Occasionally living proof of the Ballmer peak.
    1. Re:Logic Puzzles by laejoh · · Score: 1

      Start with binary sudokus and work your way up from there!

    2. Re:Logic Puzzles by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      There are a handful of vendors that sell software with memory and logic puzzles. "Brain Age" and "Luminosity" come to mind, but I'm not endorsing any vendor.

    3. Re:Logic Puzzles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually, studies have shown that these brain teasers companies sell, do NOTHING to improve memory or other cognitive abilities.

  14. Please get tested for a learning disability. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    From your description of your challenges, it sounds like you may have a learning disability.
    I know from the experiences of my son, who has a written output disorder, that schools are willing and able to make accommodations for students who take longer to do their work-- but only if a diagnosis of some sort is in hand.
    As an educator myself, I also know that instructors and school administrators want their students to succeed.

    1. Re:Please get tested for a learning disability. by azadrozny · · Score: 2

      Second this. Most colleges will grant you exceptions/accommodations if you have a diagnosed learning disability. This is sometimes codified in state laws or guidelines. This is not to say that you will be given a free pass, but like the original poster said, most educators want their students to succeed. They cannot help you unless they are aware of your problem, and how it can be over come.

  15. Reading comprehension by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is it possible that you have an issue with reading comprehension?

  16. Re:Just remember the golden rule of long term memo by jcoy42 · · Score: 1

    Additionally, try to focus on repetition. Repetition is the key.

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  17. Tests burn me out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Back in high school and later in college (equivalent), when taking tests, I was 120% concentrated, and five minutes after the test was over, I couldn't even remember whether I'd written my name on the paper. Or anything, really. Almost total test-related amnesia. Funny how it works.

  18. I know of four means by gurps_npc · · Score: 1
    1) Good nights sleep.

    2) Use smells to associate memories with. When you smell the smell, it will help you remember what you associated with it.

    3) Use story chains associations - associate all ten digits with objects, and then to remember a twenty digit number, remember a story about twenty digit's associated objects.

    4) Controversial, there are claims that caffeine and adderall (ADD medication) can aid memory. But there are side effects....

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    1. Re:I know of four means by torkus · · Score: 1

      Don't improve the targeting of your focus.

      Very much this. Adderall can be very useful or very distracting. It's only one piece of the puzzle though. Memory, focus, and target (or goal) are three very different things and depending on the situation one may be far more important than another.

      Personally I think testing focuses FAR too much on outright memorization and far too little on conceptual knowledge/critical thinking. If I forget an obscure formula or definition...I look it up in 5 seconds. Being able to understand what you're doing with the formula is another level entirely.

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  19. disabilites? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have you been tested for any learning disabilities? If not, I'd advise you to check with your university's disability office and get checked out. If you do have LD, they will acccomodate it.

    1. Re:disabilites? by _anomaly_ · · Score: 1

      Good suggestion. I have a friend whose wife returned to college in her 30's and had difficulty with testing. I'm not sure what office it is, but they allowed her to take her tests apart from the other students, and on a different time table. I think it has really helped her, at least with the testing part.

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      "I have no special gift, I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
    2. Re:disabilites? by slugstone · · Score: 0

      Yes get yourself tested for learning disabilities. It does help knowing, but do not go through the university for the testing. Also getting a BS/BA does not mean it will get you a job.

  20. Question by Herkum01 · · Score: 1

    I guess the real question is under what conditions are you able to perform well? I think you will need to identify those conditions and focus upont working in those conditions. You may need to work with teachers to develop a schedule which you can work under.

    You just may not be able to do well under a normal classroom conditions, and you will need to address that. Good teachers will help where they can and bad teachers will be inflexible, you may need to avoid those.

    1. Re:Question by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      I guess the real question is under what conditions are you able to perform well? I think you will need to identify those conditions and focus upon working in those conditions. You may need to work with teachers to develop a schedule which you can work under.

      This is the best answer so far, but still incomplete.
      You need to talk with the school about this.
      And you need to see some doctors, get a full workup on your weaknesses,
      then with that information, you can work out an education plan with the school.
      It might involve extra time for tests, taking notes on your laptop, extra help with writing papers, etc etc etc.

      Good teachers will help where they can and bad teachers will be inflexible, you may need to avoid those.

      For the most part, this is true.
      But if there's a class you have to take with an inflexible teacher, keep making noise until your problems are addressed and don't be ashamed to get the school administration involved.

      If you don't advocate for yourself, no one else will.

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      o0t!
    2. Re:Question by torkus · · Score: 1

      But there's a limit to the coddling ... or there should be.

      If you were hiring an engineer and they told you...well I can only work on projects alone, in a darkened office, with a private fridge of xyz drink, during evenings...and if there's thunder and lightning I won't be able to come to work...you'd laugh and take the next candidate.

      I'm tired of hearing about kids who "can't possible do XYZ and don't deserve to fail because of it" ... when thousands (or millions) of others did the same thing and got by. Sure, some struggled...but that's what builds character and develops a personality.

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      You can get rich if you own a politician, but you have to be rich to buy one in the first place.
  21. Diet/Exercise by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are plenty of chemical/herbal compounds that you can take to improve cognitive abilities. However, aside from sleep with respect to controllable factors the absolute most powerful contributors to cognitive abilities are your diet and exercise. Both eating low quality (unhealthy) food as well as a sedentary lifestyle degrade cognitive performance immensely.

    My advise to you would be to ditch McRotten and visit your local gym regularly. As a side benefit you just might find yourself sleeping better too.

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    Two of my imaginary friends reproduced once ... with negative results.
    1. Re:Diet/Exercise by Havokmon · · Score: 1

      There are plenty of chemical/herbal compounds that you can take to improve cognitive abilities. However, aside from sleep with respect to controllable factors the absolute most powerful contributors to cognitive abilities are your diet and exercise. Both eating low quality (unhealthy) food as well as a sedentary lifestyle degrade cognitive performance immensely.

      My advise to you would be to ditch McRotten and visit your local gym regularly. As a side benefit you just might find yourself sleeping better too.

      Huh? Talk about a shot in the dark. Your post is about as on-topic as the "You just need to get more sex, Bro", post.

      That said, I do agree with both, but neither really address the OPs issue.

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      "I can't give you a brain, so I'll give you a diploma" - The Great Oz (blatently stolen sig)
    2. Re:Diet/Exercise by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you need to re-read the question... He reports that he is slow of mind and has difficulty with recollection then asks for help with this. To what do you point to in my post regarding improving his cognitive abilities as off-topic?

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    3. Re:Diet/Exercise by Havokmon · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you need to re-read the question... He reports that he is slow of mind and has difficulty with recollection then asks for help with this. To what do you point to in my post regarding improving his cognitive abilities as off-topic?

      You're assuming that he must have a poor diet. That's just as likely as him having a poor sex life. Neither can be alluded to by details in the parent post.

      Maybe he should lay off the weed.
      Maybe he should take fish-oil supplements.
      Maybe he should get a C-PAP machine.

      Ok - I suppose - other than lack of sleep since childhood, there's really not much detail to go on and just about any suggestion is a shot in the dark.

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      "I can't give you a brain, so I'll give you a diploma" - The Great Oz (blatently stolen sig)
    4. Re:Diet/Exercise by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      There are no assumptions embedded in there. If he can already check off these boxes of then he can move on to other suggestions such as study skills, academic accommodations, clinical diagnosis/treatment, etc.. Not knowing the applicability of something to a particular circumstance does not invalidate the merit of suggesting it. With regards to this subject, lifestyle is one of the biggest contributors to cognitive performance or lack thereof. It only makes sense to start there. If the TV won't turn on you don't first take it to a TV repair man, you check to see if the bloody thing is even plugged and branch out from there.

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    5. Re:Diet/Exercise by Havokmon · · Score: 1

      With regards to this subject, lifestyle is one of the biggest contributors to cognitive performance or lack thereof. It only makes sense to start there. If the TV won't turn on you don't first take it to a TV repair man, you check to see if the bloody thing is even plugged and branch out from there.

      I agree. So in that he has already researched the problem, shouldn't diet/exercise already have been addressed?

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      "I can't give you a brain, so I'll give you a diploma" - The Great Oz (blatently stolen sig)
    6. Re:Diet/Exercise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering very few people actually eat a healthy diet or get enough exercise, probably not.

    7. Re:Diet/Exercise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Should have, but might not have been.

      A bad diet is a good assumption though, as most English speaking people have a diet too high in sugar, sodium, and fat.

    8. Re:Diet/Exercise by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      Have you ever worked in or known someone that has worked in technical support? Don't assume anything. There's a reason why first level support is commonly staffed by Rolodex flippers or AI.

      With respect to healthy lifestyle, particularly as it pertains to nutrition, an accurate understanding is not very common at all and is perpetuated by the disinformation campaigns of the food industry. For that matter even when knowledgeable people don't always do what is right and proper but rather that which is more expedient or gratifying in the short term.

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  22. Repetition is the key. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Repetition is the key.

    Repetition is the key.

    Repetition is the key.

    1. Re: Repetition is the key. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was something about a key but I can't recall... key... key, wait, a lock?

      No, wait, not a lock. A door. A door!

      Uhm, what about the door? College is HARD!

  23. interaction of mind components by drwho · · Score: 1

    There are different parts of the brain; one which is careful, considerate, and can deal with new tasks but is slow. The other is faster, but sloppier and harder to train. This is instinct. When the two of these work in harmony, the results are great. Train your instinct by many attempts via your considerate mind, with various amounts of attention and varying inputs, but with measurable correctness. Use your deliberate mind to do a quick sanity check on what your instinctual mind presents, but sharpen ways to judge quickly.

    Gameplay can be good for this. For instance, playing solitaire on the computer. Sure, solitaire isn't a valuable life skill of itself, but you can exercise your brain and build confidence in your learning systems with it. Action games also provide this, in varying degrees.

    Of course, nutrition is also important.

  24. adderall by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

    Rail it, all the cool ADHD kids are.

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    1. Re:adderall by sunderland56 · · Score: 1

      Rail it, all the cool ADHD kids are.

      Who needs ADHD?? ALL the kids are on it. Adderall is more popular in college than smoking used to be.

      The ADHD kids are probably taking less than others - because they make so much money selling their prescriptions.

  25. See a profrssional by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are in your 30's and cannot remember the multiplication tables, you need to see a professional, not ask for help here. You need a physician to check for general medical conditions, and then a specialist such as a neurologist to check for neurologic disorders. The fact that you asked this question here also may mean you have a problem with judgement and may need psychologic evaluation.

  26. Albert Einstein said... by bi$hop · · Score: 1

    ...never memorize something you can look up (after a reporter asked for Einstein's phone number and Einstein retrieved the phone book).

    1. Re:Albert Einstein said... by _anomaly_ · · Score: 1

      Good quote, but it doesn't apply. Most university courses won't allow you access to reference materials during exams or quizzes.

      At the engineering school I attended, during what we affectionally called boot camp (the first 3 semesters where you take Calc 1-3, once a day for an hour, with a test and a quiz every week), we weren't even allowed calculators during exams, much less a text book.

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      "I have no special gift, I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
    2. Re:Albert Einstein said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...never memorize something you can look up (after a reporter asked for Einstein's phone number and Einstein retrieved the phone book).

      With the advent of the internet and things like online search engines, anyone under the age of 25 literally have never felt what it's like to not have an answer at their fingertips within seconds. That certainly doesn't mean we have a nation full of fucking geniuses.

      And Einstein must have been always writing shit down to recall it later, for there were few things he could "look up" that were floating around in his mind at the time. He was too busy inventing them.

  27. Nature's Hugs... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

    Obviously, doing something not-blatantly-unhealthy is probably a good idea; but amphetamines and modafinil are the tools of choice among students these days in need of a performance enhancement.

    If Modafinil has any serious downsides, they certainly are subtle ones. Unlike stimulants, which leave you tired but jittery, it just makes you not tired. The amphetamines, of course, are to be treated with respect and moderation(oral doses, ideally sustained release, you aren't trying to get high here); but can, somewhat surprisingly, sharpen the hell out of your focus. Just be careful. In my experience, they Don't improve the targeting of your focus. If they help you maintain intense focus on a piece of work for far longer than would otherwise be possible, great. If they help you maintain intense focus on completing 100% of the achievements in Dishonored, less useful; but they'll do either depending on the situation you put yourself in.

    1. Re:Nature's Hugs... by Herkum01 · · Score: 1

      The other problem with taking drugs can help you in the short-term, but it is sort of defeats the purpose. You are able to perform well for a short period but you are not able to retain the knowledge very well and you are not being educated so much as you are learning how to cram.

      I assume that if you are in the 30's going to school you are trying to get an education, not learn how to cram for tests.

    2. Re:Nature's Hugs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >but can, somewhat surprisingly, sharpen the hell out of your focus.

      How is that surprising? This is the purpose of amphetamines.

    3. Re:Nature's Hugs... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Amphetamines have a certain... associated stereotype... of high-as-a-kite tweakers too buzzed to focus on much of anything coherent. In terms of actual prescriptions, yeah, psychostimulants are all about attention, with a side of alertness aid and the occasional dubiously-approved-of weight loss application.

    4. Re:Nature's Hugs... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Eh, off-label modafinil use strongly suggests that cramming is going on(since they aren't good enough to stave off sleep forever, and people who don't want to crash hard just have to suck it up and develop a vaguely healthy sleep schedule in the long term); but psychostimulants (while they may well be useful for cramming) don't magically taint what you learn while using them with some sort of 'unnatural, short-term retention only' flag. They also don't have any properties precluding long-term use in people who find them useful (plus, many are off-patent and quite cheap).

    5. Re:Nature's Hugs... by Herkum01 · · Score: 1

      I was thinking more along the lines of "if you are condensing your learning into a few intense hours of study", drugs may help you get through those few hours. The problem is you really did not learn much because you are not going to retain it.

    6. Re:Nature's Hugs... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Oh, definitely, cramming isn't a particularly good strategy, especially in the long term. My point is just that (particularly for people who have conditions for which they are prescribed; but apparently the general population as well to some degree) performance enhancing drugs are simply performance enhancing.

      People who have blatantly shot study habits and/or sleep schedules need drugs to function; because they are pushing themselves well beyond sensible parameters; but it's entirely possible to take a sensible approach to sleep and study and just make it a bit better with the extra focus and alertness that drugs can provide. You have to be careful; because the greater ability to push yourself makes it easier to fall into bad habits and (at least for a bit) get away with it; but if you are careful, there isn't anything magically pathological about drug-aided activity.

  28. What I have done for this by parallel_prankster · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have a similar issue with not being able to sleep and not being able to focus on the task at hand thus taking much longer to finish things and for me it boiled down to the following 1) Get your body clock in order. Sleep and eat at fixed times as much as possible. Also, rest plentifully throughout the day 2) Eat the correct kind of food like fruits etc. Eating fast food for me has caused havoc on my stomach thus leading to sleep issues. Also, I reduced my sugar/candy/soda intake a lot. 3) Exercise. This is right up there with eat and sleep. 4) I realized that I was not finishing tasks because on some level I was not really interested in doing them. This you need to just do some thinking on what your goals are and are you really interested in doing what you are doing etc. 5) I also realized that I wasn't doing fun things enough that I would then be able to do my mundane work items. So on a daily or maybe at least weekly basis, participate in a fun/hobby activity. It is very refreshing. I am planning to buy a PS4 or XBOX for this soon. 6) I find that blocking out external noises and stimuli while working helps me focus on things. This along with making a log of what I am doing (learning Emacs org mode for this) helps me remember things much better. I bought noise cancelling headphones and turn off most notifications that are not important to me during the day as much as possible. 7) Most importantly, I realized focus/concentration is not something you build in a day or week. It takes a lot of time. It is literally like developing a muscle. You need to feed it right and work hard on it to sharpen it. Remember, you need a lifestyle change, not a quick fix. There is a lot of interest recently in mindfulness you can take a look at that. Hope this helps.

    1. Re:What I have done for this by parallel_prankster · · Score: 1

      I forgot this one thing - try to develop a reading habit. Read a book or novel or anything for some extended period of time. Like more than 20-25 mins or something. That helped me as well. I try to do this before going to bed.

    2. Re:What I have done for this by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 1
    3. Re:What I have done for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check out " justgetflux.com"

      f.lux manages the frequency of light emitted by your monitor, iDevices, etc...

    4. Re:What I have done for this by coldsalmon · · Score: 1

      I would second items 1-3 regarding sleep, diet, and exercise. I took the bar exam in July, and to prepare, I gave myself a strict sleep schedule and ate only foods that made me feel great. After the test was over, I decided that I should keep doing everything that I did while studying, since I should always be at my best. It has worked fantastically well. "Lifestyle change" is definitely what your are looking for.

    5. Re:What I have done for this by jafac · · Score: 1

      I would also add:
      In nurturing this reading habit - read a "long thing".

      It does no good to sit and read (for example) reddit (or other internet/social-network) comments for 25 minutes, because you're actually training your brain to flip over new thoughts and ideas, which may only be remotely connected, at a superficial level, shifting focus several times per minute (or more) - and you will lose your ability to look deeply at ideas within a broader context. This is the opposite of what you want your brain to be able to do.

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      These are my friends, See how they glisten. See this one shine, how he smiles in the light.
    6. Re:What I have done for this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Recently I suffered from a back problem, and there was a program I'm working on, so I started working on it on my laptop instead of my desktop while lying down in bed with my head supported by a pillow. Soon I noticed that my level of performance was different than usual - my concentration was better, I could comprehend and think about more parts and their interactions in my head, and my head didn't get foggy after a while.

      Being struck with this difference, I thought there might something to this, so I got on Google and fired some searches on this, and behold there was published research on this that seem to confirm my own experience:
      http://info.anu.edu.au/ovc/media/Media_Releases/2005/May/090505_lipnicki

      Now I got into the habit of coding while lying down level, I truly believe it makes big difference. I wanted to share so that others can try it for themselves and see if they get a similar effect.

    7. Re:What I have done for this by ruir · · Score: 1

      Studying/remembering things takes a lot of training and most of it, the right mindset and attitude. Be careful with the distractions, though: give up facebook, and come only one time per day to slashdot. Read only email a fixed x times per day; if you have it in your smartphone, disable notifications, unless you are a doctor or work in IT. The two non-IT subjects I had better grades in faculty, the professor followed a book, and I for the whole semester read 2 or 3 pages of it before I went to bed. At the end of the semester, it turns out I remembered the book. I actually enjoy a lot to read and learn stuff, but at my pace. Took already some linux certs, next will be CCNA. However I hate being spoon fed, the extreme slowness of data feeding in a Uni setting, and the mediocracy, where the lowest common denominator sets the pace. And at 40, I dont see myself going back to for an MBA any time soon. And I am at ease with it. Not everyone thinks like me obviously, however I am much happier doing what I like best. I concur also that reading helps.

  29. Over the counter Supplements by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use this over the counter supplement called "Choline". It has absolutely no known side-effects and it really works.

  30. You need a system. Look for classes in the by aussersterne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Educational Psychology department at the local U about study strategies/study skills. Usually these are geared toward teachers (how to help their students to develop strategies) but sometimes they're even geared toward students at said U (how to study in college, and so on).

    These aren't classes about how to improve your brain, or about theory. They're very meat-and-potatoes: ways to organize note-taking, ways to organize reading activity and coordinate it with note-taking, ways to prepare for exams systematically and so on. What seems a problem of recall may be a problem of cognitive data architecture—not "it's not in there" but rather "you're not putting it in there in a way that lends itself to retrieval later on."

    I don't know your case or just how hard it is for you, but it's not uncommon for a broad cross-section of students to have many of the same complaints, and often the remedy is to learn differently (i.e. different, time-tested, sample-studied methods for effectively acquiring, organizing, and storing information) rather than to try to "do mental exercises" or improve some immanent property of themselves.

    And it's not common sense—they get down into things like how to lay out a page of notes, in geographical regions of the page; how to key words to paragraphs; how to note pages and where, etc. Very mechanical, technique-style stuff. You may find it helpful.

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    1. Re:You need a system. Look for classes in the by xclr8r · · Score: 1
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      Beware of those who profit off the docile and persecute the unbelievers.
    2. Re:You need a system. Look for classes in the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my cohort at a Canadian university (WLU), there was a student who always took tests in a separate room away from everyone else. He explained to me that he is a special needs student that needs double the time to write tests. The university accommodated him. Perhaps the submitter can find a college that has a similar program.

    3. Re:You need a system. Look for classes in the by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's a suggestion in a similar vein that helped me out a lot for certain types of test questions, especially those involving specific definitions or just rote memorization.

      Make a study guide where you substitute every letter but the first for an underscore and then use that to fill in the blanks. Once you can do that, substitute the first letter out as well, so you're left with only underscore characters, but can still get a good idea of the word size. Once you can do that repeatably, remove the underscore characters and recall from memory. This staged approach helped me a lot when I needed to remember precise definitions or other short answer types of questions. I still remember a lot of it years later, even though it is of no real use to me.

  31. Drugs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There has been recent research in brain-disease treating drugs being good for healthy people. Investigate the use of anticonvulsants as well as Parkingson's- and Alzheimer's-treating drugs, as well as nootropics. I would recommend you explore off-label use of these drugs with a psychiatrist wiling to prescribe them based on research studies. Also, you should get a sleep study done and maybe consider a CPAP machine if you are having trouble breathing in your sleep. Ambien and other sleep-inducing drugs may also work, although with all of these chemical solutions you might want to consider the risk of dependency, side-effects, and long-term damage that may be caused.

    1. Re:Drugs by frog_strat · · Score: 1

      I went through a period where my concentration went through the floor, which is scary if you are a software developer. Later I would learn I had a stroke and did not realize it. To help my concentration I used Adderall, which gave me amazing concentration powers, but made me much less patient with people. Now I take 800mg Piracetam, and I definitely notice a difference in my ability to stay in deep concentration. It does not give me the Adderall buzz. It's pretty cheap, I buy the powder and cap it myself.

  32. memory tricks and tips by ThatsDrDangerToYou · · Score: 1
    Hi. Here are a few thoughts. Firstly, be sure you have your sleep issues addressed. Second, some nutritional supplements can aid with memory (some or all of this may be bullshit, but at least be sure you are getting balanced nutrition to rule this out as a source of problems). Next up.. there are lots of tricks and techniques you can use to systematically improve your memory. One method we studied years ago was Memory Power, by Harry Lorayne. There are loads of other programs, but this was the one we happened to choose and it works pretty well. We didn't put it to full use, but still have the basic techniques at our disposal and they are very useful. Some of the keys are employing visualization and mnemonic techniques to make things "stick" better.

    http://www.harrylorayne.com/

    Lastly, don't be discouraged. We can make incremental and even revolutionary improvements at any age.

    Good luck!

  33. Give time, get time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take time to pray, and learn to be disciplined. Wake up at the same time, every day, and make sure it's early enough to take a relaxed shower (shown to improve cognitive function, particularly creativity, perhaps because of how you come out of dreams, while waking). These things have helped me, with similar issues.

    “I have so much to do that I shall spend the first three hours in prayer.” - Martin Luther

    "For God has not given us a spirit of fear and timidity, but of power, love, and self-discipline." - 1 Timothy 2:17

    I cannot emphasize the prayer part, enough. It seems counter-intuitive, and I am not trying to be religulous, here, but, as Jesus said, "wisdom is proved by its result."

  34. Re:go to a school there is about skills not test c by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Follow Joe Dragon's lead and go to a school where basic literacy isn't required.

  35. Stop Ejaculating (I'm serious) by Adeptus_Luminati · · Score: 0

    Contrary to popular belief, sex, or more correctly, ejaculation isn't good for you. Sure it might feel like the best thing in the world for all of 10 seconds, but afterwards you will feel far more tired and emotionally distant and negative. For each subsequent ejaculation you will feel even more tired and even more emotionally negative. Depending on how old and healthy you are, excessive ejaculation can lead to excessive tiredness and emotional depression (although the effect is usually temporary).

    How does this relate to your concern? Ejaculation has a direct effect on your energy levels and thus has the same effect as sleep deprevation, again depending on frequency of ejaculation and your age/health.

    If you don't believe me try ejaculating 3 times what you normally do in 1 day, then tell me I'm wrong. For further proof, try the exact opposite. Stop ejaculating for at least 2-4 weeks, then tell me your energy, sleep and memory haven't improved significantly.

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    No trees were killed in the making of this post; however, many trillions of electrons were horribly inconvenienced.
    1. Re:Stop Ejaculating (I'm serious) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This.

      While I wouldn't go so far as to say it's 'bad for you', I totally agree that it can sap your energy/interest/motivation for a few hours at least and thus have a dampening effect on getting the shit that needs to be done, done. While it can be difficult to overcome the urge, ultimately resisting can be useful in channeling your energies to other, more important tasks. And no, I'm not 'anti-masturbation', I just wanted to say I think he is correct in his anecdotal observations.

    2. Re:Stop Ejaculating (I'm serious) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is completely insane. Are you going to try to sell him some Graham Crackers and anti-masturbation gloves?

    3. Re:Stop Ejaculating (I'm serious) by coldsalmon · · Score: 1

      I will strongly second this based purely on anecdotal evidence. If the OP has any science to cite, I would be interested to see it.

    4. Re:Stop Ejaculating (I'm serious) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a myth. Yes, ejaculation has a direct effect on your energy levels: It keeps your gear going and your hormones flowing, and the brain profits from that. I'm not a brain in a jar. For my brain to function my body needs to be happy too, and sex is part of it. And ejaculation is part of sex, at least for me. I can come five times a day and still do my homework. Don't mistake the relaxation after orgasm for low energy.

    5. Re:Stop Ejaculating (I'm serious) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be in your teens or early 20's. Come back when you are over 30 and tell me you can still come 5 times a day and be able to concentrate on anything.
      Contrary to Western ignorance, real men are those that can subjugate their desires, not the other way around.

      For those that want articles to read, try googling "no sex before competition" regarding why some coaches of elite sportsmen tell them to refrain from ejaculation upwards of 6 weeks before any competition.

      This is a good summary article:
      http://breakingmuscle.com/mens-fitness/no-sex-before-competition-the-medicine-behind-the-myth

      If you want to read a book on the subject, try the Mantak Chia "Multi-Orgasmic Man" or some of his other books.

      Better than 3rd party info is to try some experiments yourselves as per my original post.

  36. Electrical stimulation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    applied at the temples works wonders...

  37. Tips by TBoneBot · · Score: 1

    10) Take breaks. For every hour (or possibly less) of study, take a 15-20 min break. 9) Sleep: NEVER pull an all nighter, start your studying in advance (small bits, earlier vs. big chunks last minute) 8) Re-write: take notes in class, and re-write notes in words that you understand (explain things to yourself) 7) Draw: make diagrams in your notes 6) Talk: talk to others, explain what your learned 5) Questions: write notes in the form of questions, then answer your questions (this helps for studying later) 4) Good health: exercise and eat healthy to support your body in keeping up with the demands and stresses of learning. 3) Emotions: Try and relate things to your life in a meaningful way. You're more likely to remember if it has personal meaning to you. 2) Use your body: make an effort to keep an open body posture when learning to ensure you are "open" to the info 1) Don't memorize - UNDERSTAND. Wtf? If you make an effort to really understand what you're learning you won't need to memorize, it will just come (kind of like how striving for good health brings on weight loss naturally. Those who do the action experience the consequences).

  38. Sure, I could tell you the solution... by tippe · · Score: 1

    ...but you'd probably just forget it. So why bother?...

    1. Re:Sure, I could tell you the solution... by boristdog · · Score: 1

      I was going to go with the old Judge Smails quote: "Well, the world needs ditch diggers too."

  39. Memory issue or disorganized? by schneidafunk · · Score: 1

    How much of your class is really about memorization? Maybe you should try reading "Getting things done" by Paul Allen instead.

    http://www.davidco.com/

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    Some people die at 25 and aren't buried until 75. -Benjamin Franklin
    1. Re:Memory issue or disorganized? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *David Allen

    2. Re:Memory issue or disorganized? by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 1

      *David Allen

      If the original poster had better recall abilities, he would have caught that!

    3. Re:Memory issue or disorganized? by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      Perhaps this tome isn't as beneficial as he recalls...

      --
      Two of my imaginary friends reproduced once ... with negative results.
    4. Re:Memory issue or disorganized? by schneidafunk · · Score: 1

      Hah, well to be fair it was me that corrected my mistake. If you have read the book, you'll also know it has nothing to do with memorization. In fact, it is an organization system that allows you to separate thinking from working, and thus facilitates getting things done. I highly recommend it.

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      Some people die at 25 and aren't buried until 75. -Benjamin Franklin
    5. Re:Memory issue or disorganized? by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 1

      Hah, well to be fair it was me that corrected my mistake. If you have read the book, you'll also know it has nothing to do with memorization. In fact, it is an organization system that allows you to separate thinking from working, and thus facilitates getting things done. I highly recommend it.

      Yes, I try and follow GTD myself. It does free one up from having to keep all of the superfluous stuff from occupying my limited memory! Years ago, that task was accomplished using a Daytimer. I would say that it allows me to memorize stuff that really needs to be memorized (which is actually very little) and to easily access most of the stuff that I thought I had to memorize. That said, I still struggle, however, trying to keep it organized through Evernote.

      Although there is a lot of information online about GTD, I tell people to read the book to get a more complete understanding. I, too, highly recommend it.

    6. Re:Memory issue or disorganized? by schneidafunk · · Score: 1

      One thing I struggle with is implementing it online. I tend to use it more for paper-work, such as my file cabinet and writing notes onto note cards.

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      Some people die at 25 and aren't buried until 75. -Benjamin Franklin
    7. Re:Memory issue or disorganized? by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 1

      One thing I struggle with is implementing it online. I tend to use it more for paper-work, such as my file cabinet and writing notes onto note cards.

      I concur. I started using GTD with a Livescribe pen and Evernote, but while it can be made to work, it's not ideal. Evernote is good at storing things for reference, etc., but it's not the ideal interface for GTD. I also tried Remember the Milk and a few others. Each have their advantages and disadvantages. I have since shifted to an iPad using notability to capture notes and synch them with Evernote or Dropbox. I am also following closely the project Getting Things Gnome. On Linux, it includes a desktop client, and there is a web version. I haven't implemented anything with it because it is still under development.

      I would actually pay for a solution that would let me do this the way I want and was cross-platform.

  40. Is your material interesting? by itwasgreektome · · Score: 1

    First of all, I would ask you if you're very interested in the subject you are studying? If it's your first year, chances you are doing all your GEs and some of them can be hard and boring as hell. If it is a boring class, chances are your memory isn't to blame, because everyone reads and remembers boring stuff poorly. I speak from experience. After being a straight A student in high school, I went to one of the top 20 schools in the nation, only to realize I was failing after a year or so going there. I couldn't wake up for classes, I slept in most of the day, I couldn't pay attention, etc. For a student who prized himself based upon grades, I wasn't feeling great about myself. Luckily I found out about the student psychological services. Turns out I was suffering from a mild depression and ADD. ADD? How could that be possible, I'd been a straight A student and never ran around the classroom, though I did like to blurt comments out at my teachers when I felt so inspired. I was suffering from ADD, inattentive (daydreamer) non hyperactive type. The depression stemmed from my poor performance in school. I was given different meds for the ADD until we finally found one that worked, and I took it for about a year to get on track. Now, to the point, I ended up in the most awesome major- Cognitive Science. I found it insane and awesome all at once, it engaged my brain, I loved going to school then! I was able to stop taking the meds altogether because the material enthralled me that much! I've been able to stay off the meds for 9 years altogether because the material was that interesting. Two points- get yourself checked out at the school student psych services center. You may be suffering from depression, ADD, Insomnia, any other myriad of conditions they might be able to help with, sometimes just with techniques and not pills. Secondly, find a major you love not one you think that will love you in turns of money. Good luck.

  41. Try to get a learning profile by liquiddark · · Score: 0

    Different people learn differently. Consider the possibility that you are simply not using the learning style best suited to you. There are tools to help with this.

    The sleep thing as well, obviously. But consider that you may not have a fruitful approach to learning in general.

    1. Re:Try to get a learning profile by UniAce · · Score: 1

      I advise caution investing much time/effort to the individual learning styles approach. There is actually extremely little (if any) scientific evidence that learning is enhanced by matching the method of presentation or study to an individual learner's style or preference. See the following scholarly review on the subject: Pashler, H., McDaniel, M., Rohrer, D., & Bjork, R. (2009). Learning styles: Concepts and evidence. Psychological Science in the Public Interest, 3, 105-119. [PDF]

    2. Re:Try to get a learning profile by liquiddark · · Score: 1

      Given that both my parents and my significant other are all teachers, and several of my friends have had great success with alternative learning styles, I am going to go ahead and ignore this paper, which says only that there aren't many studies which meet their specific preferred experiment design. Differentiated instruction does accomplish what "traditional" learning doesn't - it provides a means of understanding material in several different ways and activates several different mental "nodes". So while the specific studies on the topic may not be perfect, the practical effect is engagement, which even the authors of the paper acknowledge. Engagement with material is a not-insignificant effect on someone undertaking learning for their own purposes.

  42. Leaning Disabilitiy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It sounds like you may have an undiagnosed learning disability.

    Many of the big universities and colleges in the United States provide accommodations for students with learning disabilities, such as being allowed to take 2x regular time to finish exams and quizzes, as well as some kind of support regarding the doing of homework and studying. To obtain such accommodations, you would have to go to your institution's "learning disability center" (unfortunately, there is no standardized name for it), fill out some paperwork and get examined/tested to determine if indeed you do have a disability, and if so, what accommodations would be appropriate/fair to be given you. They will probably also be able to advise you on the kind of medial treatment you might need.

    1. Re:Leaning Disabilitiy by niado · · Score: 2

      It sounds like you may have an undiagnosed learning disability.

      Many of the big universities and colleges in the United States provide accommodations for students with learning disabilities, such as being allowed to take 2x regular time to finish exams and quizzes, as well as some kind of support regarding the doing of homework and studying. To obtain such accommodations, you would have to go to your institution's "learning disability center" (unfortunately, there is no standardized name for it), fill out some paperwork and get examined/tested to determine if indeed you do have a disability, and if so, what accommodations would be appropriate/fair to be given you. They will probably also be able to advise you on the kind of medial treatment you might need.

      This is almost exactly what I was going to post. If you cannot memorize the multiplication tables (generally considered a trivial tasks for adults) then you have some more-or-less serious problem that is dramatically impacting you intellectually. The only modification to the above would be to perhaps see a physician first (start with a general practitioner). You could have any number of treatable conditions that might respond well to medication or behavioral modification. This is especially the case considering your history of what you describe as a "childhood sleep disorder".

      This is not to say that you are any less "intelligent" or "smart" than your peers, so please do not take this the wrong way. Your potential could be very high, you just might need outside assistance to reach it.

  43. Repetition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having mostly overcome similar symptoms onset from different causes, I can suggest what worked for me: Repetition as a primary strategy for learning.

    I no longer bother trying to grasp the minutia on my first pass, I use it and a couple of subsequent passes to establish familiarity. Candidly, I can barely describe the material as a whole after a single read. But the more times I cover the material, the more firmly the fine details become lodged in my memory and my test scores are back above 95%.

    This replaces my earlier method of carefully understanding and ingesting material in one or two passes; and because I'm not reading carefully from the outset it doesn't take much more time than the original method. The first few times you try this, expect to worry if the material will ever stick in your memory, but usually I find that 10 fast passes separated by a few minutes spent doing other things makes me the most knowledgable student in every class.

  44. Moonwalking with Einstein by dannysosa · · Score: 1

    You need to sleep enough, eat well, and exercise.. After that, I recommend reading Moonwalking with Einstein: The Art and Science of Remembering Everything by Joshua Foer. It's chock full of research, great read.

  45. Ask Slashdot: How Can I Improve My Memory For Stud by danielpauldavis · · Score: 1

    Your brain is like any other muscle: the more you do with it, the more you are able to do with it. Trouble remembering? Start CONSCIOUSLY working on developing your memory by CONSCIOUSLY working on memorizing stuff. It matters not what because it matters not whether you lift 10 pounds of feathers or 10 pounds of lead 50 times. The effort at memorization is what your brain needs. I memorized the Book of Proverbs, 1 chapter at a time. It took me 6-7 years, but there it is. Patient, persistant self-discipline (i.e., self-training) develops the skill.

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    Cranky educator.
  46. Forget That Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Forget that shit! It's totally worth lacking memory in favor of the sex.

  47. The guy can't memorize times tables. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The guy can't memorize times tables. That is not just random "memorization", there are patterns and other contextual clues such as relationships to prime numbers, etc.

    I imagine he has difficulty learning new words, terms, acronyms, etc.

    That level of memorization is absolutely a core requirement for education and understanding.

    How can you understand complex concepts if you can't remember the simple ones?

    1. Re:The guy can't memorize times tables. by serenity.city · · Score: 1

      The guy can't memorize times tables. That is not just random "memorization", there are patterns and other contextual clues such as relationships to prime numbers, etc.

      I imagine he has difficulty learning new words, terms, acronyms, etc.

      That level of memorization is absolutely a core requirement for education and understanding.

      How can you understand complex concepts if you can't remember the simple ones?

      Wrong. I can't memorize my times tables either. I am consistently above average in my math courses, and am now taking second year math courses. Think again. Understanding simple concepts and memorizing formulas/terms/tables are entirely different.

    2. Re:The guy can't memorize times tables. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that math is inherently methodological, memorization of rote quantity tables (e.g., multiplication) may not be critical.
      However, the ability to acquire and retain processes (how to evaluate a statement or set of statements, etc) is critical. If he is unable to reliably parse a set of symbols after working to document and understand the process, then he's in the wrong field.

      And I'm saying this as someone who has to work hard to do math well, but who will write an entire narrative and review it to ensure that I understand it correctly.

    3. Re:The guy can't memorize times tables. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Again, knee jerk reaction. I would like to see a person that either a) understands simple concepts only or b) memorizes formulas/terms/tables consistently compete with a person that can do both.

      There are many skills in real life which are aided by memorization. For example, writing code.

    4. Re:The guy can't memorize times tables. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      So you don't know what 7*8 is, but are "above average" in math? That may say more about your peers than you.

    5. Re:The guy can't memorize times tables. by YumoolaJohn · · Score: 1

      Memorizing a multiplication table isn't all that useful. You might be able to figure out the result of some useless calculation more quickly than someone else, but you just wasted your time with rote memorization when you could have been trying to actually understand something. Furthermore, if you see something often enough, I've found that you'll memorize it naturally, anyway. Attempting to understand what you're doing can make the concepts more memorable as well.

      The problem with schooling is that it often forces people to make explicit attempts at memorizing random garbage, and it's just a waste of time 99% of the time.

    6. Re:The guy can't memorize times tables. by YumoolaJohn · · Score: 1

      So you don't know what 7*8 is

      Just because he doesn't have the result stored in his head for immediate retrieval doesn't mean that he doesn't understand the process of multiplication and can't figure out the answer. I never bothered memorizing multiplication tables and I can easily figure such things out.

      I focus far more on understanding than on rote memorization.

    7. Re:The guy can't memorize times tables. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      So he knows them, but recalls them slowly? I'd still consider that knowing them.

    8. Re:The guy can't memorize times tables. by Nutria · · Score: 1

      I never bothered memorizing multiplication tables and I can easily figure such things out.

      While you're figuring out what 7*8 is, the people who have memorized the multiplication tables have that (usually intermediate) answer and have gone on to more interesting stuff.

      Memorizing facts gives one a fund of knowledge from which to deduce patterns and gain deeper insights.

      --
      "I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
    9. Re:The guy can't memorize times tables. by YumoolaJohn · · Score: 1

      While you're figuring out what 7*8 is, the people who have memorized the multiplication tables have that (usually intermediate) answer and have gone on to more interesting stuff.

      I can figure it out in a split second. These people aren't saving themselves much time at all. Math is not about speed.

      Memorizing facts gives one a fund of knowledge from which to deduce patterns and gain deeper insights.

      Sometimes. Often, that's simply not true. Example: Jeopardy geniuses. Memorizing random facts does no one any real good, and you only serve to waste your own time.

      99% of the time, rote memorization is useless and detrimental, especially if you're forcing it on people. Now, vanish.

    10. Re:The guy can't memorize times tables. by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Memorizing random facts does no one any real good, and you only serve to waste your own time.

      Only if they stay random facts.

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      "I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
    11. Re:The guy can't memorize times tables. by YumoolaJohn · · Score: 1

      Look, if you want to memorize what are essentially random facts because it's possible you'll use them in the future, do that on your own time; don't force that on kids or students. I have better things to do.

    12. Re:The guy can't memorize times tables. by YumoolaJohn · · Score: 1

      Like post on Slashdot. Well, it's more entertaining, at least.

  48. Stop trying to memorize!! by Jmc23 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Understanding is the key to an efficient and well organized memory system. Unprocessed data takes more effort to store, the more you understand and can interconnect what you know the more stable and long lasting the connections.

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    Don't complain about syntax, grammar, or spelling. There is no.hell like input on android.
    1. Re:Stop trying to memorize!! by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      While I do not disagree with this, there are certain quanta of knowledge that form the building blocks of understanding. They form the language of discussion for a particular discipline and must be memorized as they cannot be deduced.

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      Two of my imaginary friends reproduced once ... with negative results.
    2. Re:Stop trying to memorize!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably no chance to be modded up, but maybe someone will benefit.

      Although highly controversial, one could potentially apply some recent(ish) thinking on language acquisition to general skill acquisition. Imagine there are 2 systems in your brain: one for "learning" and one for "acquisition". The learning system allows you to recall. The acquisition system allows you to use something flexibly. It is possible to learn something but, not having acquired it, not be able to apply that learning. For example, you might know the definitions for various words in a foreign language but not be able to spontaneously (without prior planning) produce sentences using that vocabulary.

      For learning, memory is required. For acquisition, repeated contact in the correct context where you *understand* the issue is required. If you don't understand during these repetitions, you will not acquire the knowledge, even if you remember it. Although not directly addressed in language acquisition theory, if you don't remember something, you will not acquire it either. However, the repeated contact combined with understanding often furnishes the memory side of things.

      As far as I can tell, to optimise acquisition you must place yourself in contexts in which the material you want to acquire is present *and* you understand 95% of what is being presented to you. So if you don't understand, stop and don't continue until you do understand.

      I have experimented with this on junior programmers in our company who were struggling badly and have had very satisfactory results. Simply by asking them to review code and to understand its content, they acquired the skill to program. Note: I intentionally asked them to prioritize code review over code writing, because the theory states that production is probably not the driving factor in acquisition.

      Sometimes learning something (i.e. memorizing it) is useful for setting a context where you can understand something else. It can often allow you to create that context much more quickly than if you tried to acquire everything at once. So for example, you can memorize the definitions of foreign words and then use that as a context to help you read new texts that contain those words. The memorized words allows you to comprehend the text and acquire new grammar/vocabulary. To help memorize things, the techniques of spaced repetition, spacing, and interleaving are all extremely helpful.

      To be brief, space repetition is repeating exposure to something at ever increasing intervals. So you remind yourself of something just before you forget it. Software like Anki can help predict the optimal times to remind you of something so that you can learn it with less effort. Spacing is kind of the opposite effect. It says that forgetting something and relearning it results in a memory that is stronger than if you hadn't forgotten it. So when you first learn something, it can be beneficial to intentionally forget it and then relearn it before you take up something like spaced repetition. Finally, interleaving is constantly changing subjects while you are studying so that it promotes you to forget things quickly. This allows you to relearn them earlier than if you had remembered them initially longer. (Well, this may or may not be true -- studies of interleaving show an effect, but whether it is actually due to prompting the spacing effect or something else is not actually known).
       

    3. Re:Stop trying to memorize!! by Jmc23 · · Score: 1
      There is nothing new under the sun.

      An.eternity of objects is created from a handful of 'details'. If you really think there are somethings to be memorized then you obviously don't see the bigger picture and don't fully understand science. Granted egoism and stupidity of scientists have made certain things a bit harder. You can always judge a persons understanding of their field and its relationship to reality by their ability to discuss it without using a dsl. After all, the sciences aren't investigating separate realities, they're just different viewpoints of the exact same thing.

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      Don't complain about syntax, grammar, or spelling. There is no.hell like input on android.
    4. Re:Stop trying to memorize!! by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      I think you're missing a forest surrounding those trees. Perhaps I should have made it a bit clearer by inserting the word "reasonably", as in "...must be memorized as they cannot be reasonably deduced."

      Since you chose science as your soap box I'll pick on chemistry. How do you deal with the notion of a specific atom such as Thorium. I suppose you my try to understand the Thorium atom by drawing a picture in your mind of it properties, the influence those properties have within a given system as well as comparative relationships to each of its isotopes as well as to other atoms. You might try to grasp notions of electrons, protons, covalence, ionization energies, thermal conductivity, electrical resistivity, etc. But can you really understand Thorium? For every layer of abstraction provided by your hated domain specific languages that you peel off you find yourself surrounded by increasingly complex notions pertaining to manifold complex systems. Soon you find yourself overwhelmed and spiraling out of control through an ever divergent maze of ideas, ideas that make up the thing you are trying to understand. Even experts in the pertaining field have to get off ride at some point as the depth and complexity overwhelm their ability to understand. How much harder for a novice...

      Your pithy saying is cute and all but really does not comprehend the requirements of those details. Take away even the memorization of things that we take for granted everyday such as spoken languages, walking, eating, etc.. What are you left with? Abstractions provide critical foundations for deeper investigations and acquisition of understanding.

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      Two of my imaginary friends reproduced once ... with negative results.
    5. Re:Stop trying to memorize!! by Jmc23 · · Score: 1

      Starting from the bottom looks really hard when you've been taught to start from the top your whole life. Atom? Stop starting from the top.

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      Don't complain about syntax, grammar, or spelling. There is no.hell like input on android.
  49. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bullshit. I teach at a university and frequently have students that have trouble with their exams. What the OP should do is go see the Accommodated Services department (or equivalent) at his/her university and see what accommodations can be made. I frequently have students that are able to write exams in separate rooms, on a computer (if it helps them to type rather than write), and with extra time and breaks in the middle of the exam. If someone wants to do a university degree, there is no reason they should be unable to do so.

  50. 2 tips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These are just my own speculation, so take it with a grain of salt.

    First, avoid memorizing anything. Understand how the concept works and why. If you know this you don't need to memorize all the little cases around [concept] because you can answer any question about it by thinking about how it works.

    example: I don't need to memorize IV means 4 and VI means 6 if I understand how roman numerals work.

    Second, you can improve memory recall by associating a memory with as many references as possible. Mnemonics are an example of this by linking a work or phrase to the concept you are memorizing.

    examples: I memorize a friends phone number by the pattern it makes on the keypad. I associate the new client's name with the smell of their perfume.

  51. YES there is LOTS to help! by LF11 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a person who has gone back to school in his late 20's, I have struggled with some of what you describe. I'm going to just list out a few things I have done or ways I act to help improve my cognitive performance and memory.

    Firstly, memory is learned, not innate. Many of the world memory game finalists and champions are ordinary people who started practicing the Method of Loci (Memory Palace, other names as well) as a memorization technique and a couple years later are placing in memory games. I cannot possibly overstate the importance of this technique. With it, I pass hard memorization classes like Orgo and Physiology with straight A's. Without it, I fail. Curiously, I found that once I started using this technique, my overall memory improved considerably.

    OK, now a laundry list, in no particular order.

    *) Take less classes. If stuff takes more time, allocate accordingly.

    *) Nutrition is important. If you are deficient in B12 (many adults are slightly or moderately deficient in this) it will severely affect your cognitive ability and memory. Try daily supplementation with cyanocobalamin for a month. Also vitamin C, as well as eating a balanced diet. Vitamin D supplementation can help quite a bit, and some people (including myself) experience benefit from CoQ10 supplementation.

    *) What you eat is important as FUCK. Whatever food you put in your mouth, will take blood away from the brain. Eat simple, nutricious, easily-digested food for breakfast and lunch. If you have bacon and eggs for breakfast, that''s going to suck all the blood out of your brain and you won't be able to think. Try yogurt or smoothies instead, add raisins and nuts. Similarly, if you have a ham sandwich for lunch, your body is going to be digesting that instead of your class material. Don't do that. Eat minimally through the day in order to maximize cognitive function.

    *) Hunger is predatory. Being slightly hungry increases memory and processing speed, at least for me. Experiment.

    *) Stay away from sugar. Sugar is a drug that makes you fat, dumb, and happy. Minimize sugar intake as much as possible. Also stay away from artificial sweeteners; as bad as sugar is for your brain, it is a lot better than aspartame / nutrasweet / phenylalanine.

    *) Eat a well-balanced diet, minimizing processed foods and meats. Eat fruits, vegetables and beans. Some people find it is a good idea to stay well away from grains like rice and wheat. Experiment with your diet and find out what works for you. Universally, processed foods are bad, though.

    *) Exercise! This is a huge boost for making your brain work better. If you walk for 20 minutes every morning, your brain will work much better all day.

    *) This goes without saying, but stay away from marijuana. It takes several days for the effects of marijuana to fade from your cognitive faculties. If you smoke MJ, save it for academic breaks. (NOTE: plenty of people will disagree with me. No, I will not cite a source because I have none. But if you smoke MJ, stop for a while.)

    *) Stay away from alcohol. This drug also takes several days for your brain to recover from. Again, no scientific source, just my personal experience. If you are young and dumb, EtOH and MJ can be fine every night, but when you need to maximise every iota of brain performance that is a different story.

    *) Talk to your professors. Also talk to your school's psychiatric counselling. You may be able to get extra time to complete tests if you do suffer from memory or cognitive impairment. Unless you are planning to take the MCAT or GRE or something, most professors are more than happy to make lots of allowances for struggling students. Since you are an older student, I expect teachers will actually be even happier to help you. Most teachers really like having the maturity and motivation of older students in the classroom.

    *) Stay away from TV and video games. These interfere with learning. If you spend the day in lectures then spend

    1. Re:YES there is LOTS to help! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a person who has gone back to school in his late 20's, I have struggled with some of what you describe.

      Damn, you're counting late 20s as old for being in school now? Get off my lawn! (Speaking as someone who went to a community college a long time ago, where the average age in the classroom is much older than that, never mind grad students often enough reach 30 even without taking a break from school....)

    2. Re:YES there is LOTS to help! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wanted to mention, I agree with most of this here, and I'll let you into one thing I found. About 8 years ago, I was diagnosed with T2 diabetes and I had to change my entire life to cope.

      One thing I only worked out about a year ago, is what is commonly called 'Brain fog' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clouding_of_consciousness - This is a really bad problem because like you, I cannot focus and tend to even fall asleep or at least drowse.

      I finally learned after nearly 6 years of experimentation, and study as /dehydration/ was the key cause. Diabetics go though water a lot that's true. I finally gave up my soda habit, now drink nothing but teas, waters, and /occasional/ soda and sure enough. 99% of the brain fog lifted (so to speak) and now I think far clearer than I did. Once in awhile if I accidentally fall off the soda bandwagon I can feel the brain fog returning, or on the onset of gastrointestinal illnesses that lead to vomiting, and diarrhea.

      So check out dehydration as another problem. Are you drinking enough? Some say 1gal per day, but don't attempt that much in one day, but gradually build yourself up over a week or two. For you can easily get water intoxication that leads to headaches, or severe dizziness. Tea is better, since it's absorbed slowly, while water is sucked into you within 20 minutes.

      Thanks to everyone who posted as well. I'm going to try everything myself. At least the good posts can't do anything but help. (Exercise, sleep, good foods, and the like.)

    3. Re:YES there is LOTS to help! by ThatsDrDangerToYou · · Score: 1

      Good list!

    4. Re:YES there is LOTS to help! by LF11 · · Score: 1

      Thanks! I have had to struggle quite a bit to get through, but I have done pretty well. I am a programmer and I dislike doing things badly. I always try to find better ways to do things, including living. I have been profoundly gifted with wonderful parents, friends, and teachers who have helped me over the years.

    5. Re:YES there is LOTS to help! by hey! · · Score: 1

      The hunger tip is an interesting one, worth trying, but you should accustom yourself to fasting first. You don't have to fast entirely, you can limit yourself to 1/4 the calories needed to maintain your weight on a fasting day. Also, you probably shouldn't fast back to back days. Hunger is stress -- like exercise. Moderation and rest are the best training advice.

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      Post may contain irony: discontinue use if experiencing mood swings, nausea or elevated blood pressure.
    6. Re:YES there is LOTS to help! by Squallop · · Score: 1

      A really great reply!

    7. Re:YES there is LOTS to help! by LF11 · · Score: 1

      There is a bit of line between stimulating the intellect with hunger and starving brain cells with glucose deprivation.

      I like to snack lightly on almonds or some other nut to keep my brain working on these days. :)

    8. Re:YES there is LOTS to help! by hey! · · Score: 1

      You don't starve your brain if you reduce calorie intake for one day; the brain switches to ketones and you feel very sharp.

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      Post may contain irony: discontinue use if experiencing mood swings, nausea or elevated blood pressure.
    9. Re:YES there is LOTS to help! by LF11 · · Score: 1

      True, but it does feel like shit until you figure out how to induce the switch.

  52. Melatonin by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 1

    If you are still battling sleep problems, try reducing your exposure to light (especially blue light) in the evening. Most particularly, pull yourself away from the computer or the big-screen TV. Use dimmed incandescent bulbs (less blue light) to illuminate the paper you're working with. If you must use a computer, set your monitor for the warmest color balance you can select, and turn it down as far as you can without eyestrain.

    Avoiding mentally taxing activities late at night is also helpful, but probably incompatible with college.

    Try melatonin, available OTC at least here in the US. Your body uses it as a signal for sleep. It's effective orally, and it's essentially impossible to overdose, but you should try to stick with the smallest amount that's effective.

    1. Re:Melatonin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone with similar problems, I can make your good advice even more precise:

      Use f.lux or redshift (both are free, f.lux came first but redshift seems less buggy to me). The software takes as input or detects, if it can, your location and makes your screen slowly match the natural light level outside. There's even an android version of redshift, which I use when reading ebooks in bed.

      I use melatonin to such an extent that I'm a little bit concerned about it. AFAIK it's not addictive, it's natural, after all. However, because I use it every fucking day, it might be more of a habit than an actual need by now. What I mean is, my sleeping schedule could very well be good now but taking melatonin has become the same kind of habit as brushing my teeth before going to bed. I have to do it or otherwise I don't feel "ready" to sleep. Sometimes when I go out partying and come home much later than my normal bedtime, I might still feel like I should've taken melatonin in order to sleep even though I also feel tired and know that it takes at least a couple of hours for the melatonin pills to take effect. I don't drink so alcohol doesn't have anything to do with that problem.

      One final thing I might add about melatonin pills is that I think you develop some "resistance" to them when you take them for a long period of time. At first, I could take a smaller dose and despite that the effect was so strong that before I learned the timing, I fell asleep on my keyboard a couple of times. Now I can sometimes stay awake despite taking a bigger dose if I get stuck reading something interesting on the web (I know that it's a bad habit but it's been hard to quit).

  53. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by queazocotal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Unless they are not bright enough to do so.
    Which would pretty much cause all of the symptoms mentioned above too.

  54. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by LF11 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's bullshit. I started out with similar troubles, and just had to learn better time management. Skip the time-consuming questions, focus on the fast questions, then go back and work out as much of the time-consuming questions as possible in the time alloted.

    Few students do this.

  55. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by TheCarp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Except that it has been found that one of the single largest predictors of success in the study of math specifically (and I do believe this translates to many other areas) has been whether a person believes in talent and abilities vs learned skills.

    That is to say, it was found that people who believe math to be a talent perform worst than people who believe it is a skill that can be mastered with effort.

    So if you really think it comes down to "abilities" then just go flip on the TV, you probably aren't going to find abilities in anything if you aren't willing to work at getting them.

    --
    "I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
  56. You can overcome this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Firstly, ignore the naysayers who say you aren't cut out for College/University. These are the same people who would have tried to dissuade other intellectual luminaries who also had trouble in primary/secondary schools and colleges/universities. Just because you are slower on the curve does not mean you can't obtain a college degree/education. Good on you for admitting your troubles and seeking help.

    That being said, I think the obvious answer here is to try and seek professional help to address your cognitive/learning/sleep issues whether that be a psychologist/psychiatrist/doctor or other health care professional. I had similar issues with ADHD and concentration in all levels of school and, while it was difficult, I did overcome these challenges and eventually graduated from college. It's great that you are being proactive and trying to address your learning disability in a constructive manner.

    Lastly, a quote: "Don't let the turkeys keep you from soaring from the eagles."

    1. Re:You can overcome this. by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up.

    2. Re:You can overcome this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A correction to my initial post - that quote should be "Don't let the turkeys keep you from soaring with the eagles". I guess that would be my last point, that proof reading is important. ;-)

  57. cerebrolysin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try cerebrolysin. it works great for me! http://www.reddit.com/r/Nootropics/comments/18dvy9/anyone_try_cerebrolysin/

  58. Perfect solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I knew of one, except I can't remember it anymore :(

  59. +1, and include simple sugars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    during exams. Something quick hitting, like 5 & 6 carbon types.

  60. Re:go to a school there is about skills not test c by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This.

  61. Learning to Learn by David_Hart · · Score: 1

    Learning and memorization is like any other skill, you need to practice it. Through High School I had to constantly go over material multiple times (up to 10) before I could remember what I needed for tests. In University, I got it down to a science. I needed three days of study for each course to prepare for exams. I needed to go over the material three times on three different days before it would finally sink in. Of course, having good notes makes a big difference too.

    Personally, I found that I took in more material if I am slightly drowsy when I was in class (i.e. almost napping). I find that if I am fully awake, my brain is too busy thinking about other things which gets in the way of learning. Fortunately, I am at the point in my career and education where memorization isn't as important as being able to apply the knowledge.

    BTW, you might want to try taking an online course. I took several when finishing up my Masters degree. They require less memorization and more practical skills and the exams/tests tend to be open book timed. However, if you take online courses there is less socialization. So, if you want to meet people, make sure that you also take some campus courses.

  62. I also have a sleep disorder by microcars · · Score: 1

    AND I went back to college as well, but I am even older than you.
    My disorder has been under control for decades now, but I found similar issues re: studying/retaining info when going back to school.
    All I can say is that I found that daily exercise to get my heart up to 2X normal for 10-20 minutes really seemed to help tremendously.
    I have an elliptical at home and used that.
    If you don't have something like that, consider some other exercises to get your blood moving and in turn help your brain get nourishment.
    It won't happen overnight, but made a difference for me at least.

    --
    I like microcars
  63. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by skids · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Believing "brightness" to be an intrinsic character trait is a psychological crutch for those who view their intelligence as their only redeeming quality. A large proportion of the variety of cognitive impairments can be overcome, many even cured, and people can and do get smarter. OP should be praised for embarking on a serious quest for self-improvement. If only those sitting on their laurels would do so as well.

  64. vitamins by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lions mane mushrooms, gingko biloba, l-carnitine, tDCS therapy

  65. QUIZ YOURSELF by UniAce · · Score: 1

    I am a cognitive scientist (Ph.D.) who studies the workings of human memory. The number one thing you can do improve your learning is to QUIZ YOURSELF.

    Every time you retrieve some information from memory, you STRENGTHEN that information in your memory, making it easier to retrieve again in the future. So when you study new information, DON'T just re-read it multiple times. Read it, then quiz yourself (try to remember the info on your own), wait a while, quiz yourself some more, quiz yourself again later, etc.

    Key terms: "testing effect" or "retrieval practice". For example, here's just one peer-reviewed psychology publication that summarizes relevant scientific research, and some implications for education: Roediger, H. L., & Karpicke, J.D. (2006). The power of testing memory: Basic research and implications for educational practice. Perspectives on Psychological Science, 1, 181-210. [PDF]

  66. Master sun says: by Papabravo · · Score: 0

    Sun Tzu's The Art of War: "In difficult ground, press on; On hemmed-in ground, use subterfuge; In death ground, fight." I say fight since you appear to be on death ground academically.

  67. Study technique by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 2

    While there are a lot of funny posts to this request, there are some real techniques that help improve one's retention. In no particular order:

    1) Get ample sleep and have a regular schedule for sleep
    2) Increase the amount of exercise you do (improves blood flow to the brain).
    3) Minimize use of alcohol and other recreational drugs
    4) Take handwritten notes while in class and while studying (notes must be handwritten, not typed)
    5) Drink caffeinated beverages, but not to excess -- too much has a detrimental effect (ADHD meds work even better than caffeine, but require a prescription to be legal)
    6) Don't cram for exams, instead study every day at the same time.
    7) Leave time to read novels (studies show that reading novels stimulate areas of the brain used for recall in other situations)

    One thing that is fairly common in the above is consistency, whether with sleep, study times, etc. Shakespeare said "Consistency, what a rare gem, though art." When it comes to study habits, that is definitely true. Regardless of one's recall ability, the above suggestions, when used consistently, will improve one's capabilities.

    1. Re:Study technique by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Graduated from college in my 30's.

      Handwritten notes are good. Handwritten summaries are better. For any class with difficult homework, while doing the homework attempt to create your own "how-to" guide. You'll find the effort well worth it. It's easy to think you know something because you used it once. But internalizing it and then expressing it as your own thought requires engagement that leads to deeper understanding.

      Eight months of second year calculus became one 8.5" x 11" sheet, four columns each side. That piece of paper was the tangible representation of everything I learned in that course. I used it so many times that I could have written it out when I got into the final exam. In high school calculus I was in the mid-80's as a teenager. My course mark for 2nd year calculus? 100%.

    2. Re:Study technique by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think cramming works just fine, but you can't go non-stop. Take 3-5 minute breaks every 30-45 minutes. Get up, look out the window, walk around the block, do some stretches. Give your brain a breather.

  68. Prepare and change your mind set. by zacherynuk · · Score: 1

    As stated above, Exercise is probably the easiest way to awaken your mind and body. Energetic sex is a bonus.

    Exercise will clear and sharpen your mind and prepare your body for sleep. If sleep and stresses are an issue, I have found both herbal remedies (Like sleepeze) and meditation - I used to 'do' Astral Travel to add some fun, although essentially bollocks - it improves your imagination, your ability to create scenarios and force you to remember objects and locations. All improving your brains functions. As a side note it makes cashing in your wank-bank memories more rewarding.

    But this all leads up to not relying on parrot-fashion learning. Rarely does vocational study require intense parrot-fashion study - it's the easy way out for young mind - prep for an exam and pass it, never use it again (generally) - or if possible keep aspect for later reference (Doctors have to be able to do this, just so they know of the existence of things to diagnose properly later on, good IT people also have this ability: to remember the contents as it were, without full details, just enough to know to look it up later.

    You need to know WHY you need to know what you are expected to learn. Once of my terms at uni was mostly maths - PURE maths - 8hrs Monday 4hrs Tuesday, APPLIED Maths 4hrs Wednesday and 8 hrs Thursday. Friday was an optional Physics seminar, but without the Friday - there was no way my under experienced brain could link together the weeks workings....the fact that it was optional was a critical factor in what sort of student turned up; sure we had the whizz kids who could recite everything and pass it easy and didn't have to attend Friday - but without exception, come hard stuff a few years later - AI, 3D rendering and associated calc, functional programming and even more abstract things like compression & artifact removal the people who did well were the people who attended the optional seminar; the people who had been able to link information with knowledge with reason with application.

    Do not be afraid to interact and ask questions about the usage of the knowledge imparted to you. This will help you apply it and keep you focused during testing time.

  69. Perhaps not a time for DIY by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 1

    Choose the right tool for the job. The right tool for this job is not Slashdot.

    Go see a doctor. A good GP will be able to point you to a specialist who may be able to better pinpoint exactly why you're having these issues and help you sort them out.

    Do your research, by all means--you'll need to be your own advocate--but there are people who dedicate their lives to figuring this sort of thing out. Talk to them, not us.

    --

    Obliteracy: Words with explosions

  70. Flash Cards by esten · · Score: 1

    I found using flash cards can be really helpful both for memory and for speed. Also because each unit is small it forces you to keep on task which might help for the time dilation. For the mac I like iFlash, bit dated but works well.

  71. Research, Lifestyle changes, and Specialists by ausekilis · · Score: 1

    There are a plethora of studies out there tying memory and cognitive function to various things, including diet, sleep, type of learning, etc... Being in my 30's I can empathise with the problem, I just don't seem to pick things up as quickly as I did in my teens and 20's. It's not drastic, but it is noticable.

    Some foods have been tied to cognitive function. Read up a little bit here and here. Or do some googling for some more stuff. It's interesting that the traditional american diet of burger and fries is actually a hindrance to memory and brain function. Healthy eating is very important to every component of your life, I just wish I new that when I was in my early 20's.

    Exercise is another thing that fuels the brain. I find that when I stop biking/running, my mood goes to crap and I have a harder time sleeping. As my exercise level goes up, everything else gets better. Plenty of research here to back it up.

    Different people also learn things in different ways. Looking at learning styles may help you figure out what works best for you. One thing I learned in undergrad is you don't really understand something until you can:

    1. Define what it is
    2. Defend it's strengths
    3. Attack its flaws

    In that same class, the professor told us that if we knew our stuff, there was no way he could trick us. I've applied that same test to those things I really want to remember, and I've found it works great. Repetition in Math never really stuck with me, but when I was finally able to reason about what the equation was actually doing, and understand the strengths and weaknesses (getting into applied math here), I found it was much easier to comprehend and work with.

    You could spin your wheels for days trying to figure what works best for you, or to discover that there may be something else going on that needs treatment (i.e. ADD or something) before you're able to progress. It may be worth talking to your primary care and getting a referral to the appropriate specialist.

  72. Digress from what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Today I see Slashdot also has an article linking caffeine to long-term memory, but I digress.

    You haven't even said anything yet, so what exactly are you digressing from?

    1. Re:Digress from what? by syockit · · Score: 1

      I was about to disagree, but I digress.

      --
      Democracy is for the people; you only vote once per season and we'll do the rest of the work for you don't have to.
    2. Re:Digress from what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His intended path through his dialogue. Duh! :P

  73. Drugs by aph0rism · · Score: 1

    Try Modifinil or Adrafinil. Both promote wakefulness and help with productivity. For the memory, consider a nootropic, such as Piracetam, Noopept, or Oxiracetam.

  74. You've extended. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    . . . that legend. It's not even sure he said that and he certainly wasn't talking about his own phone number. If you followed that stupid rule, you'd spend your entire life looking stuff up. Did you memorize e=mc^2? Or do you look it up every time?

  75. Some suggestions by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    First of all, google is your friend. This is something that has been studied by many people, and many effective are available for you to use. For example, I happen to like the Method of loci which I use to memorize the main points of speeches and lists.

    Different people like different methods, and there's a buffet of effective methods to choose from. Again, google is your friend.

    That being said, here's the psychological answer:

    If you want to increase your long term memory, you start with the theory of memory. Our brains remember things that are important to us, which means that either the information has perceived value or emotional content.

    Emotional content in lectures is hard to get in a college setting - it's an aspect that good lecturers use - but you can use tricks to increase your retention. Get together with some friends and make up a "game" of reviewing the information. Play Jeopardy, make up funny physics stories, try to make puns from equations... anything that causes you and your group to laugh or think deeply will do. For example, how would "Ming the Merciless" destroy the Earth using magnetic fields (from your recent physics lecture)? Analyze it tongue-in-cheek with your friends to see if the idea is viable.

    High value is anything that will get you towards your goals, but you can choose your goals. Pick an appropriate goal and you will sop up information like a sponge. Imagine starting your own company... what's your dream situation? All the MBA classes you are taking will now have new meaning: everything you are taught will cling to that goal like ornaments on a tree. Resolve to be an amateur astronomer who discovers a new comet, a teacher who wins "teacher of the year", a writer that wins a Hugo award... dream big and convince yourself that the information will get you towards that goal.

    Learning is actually fun, and it's something your brain is evolved to do. As a consequence, and as a survival trait we get pleasure from learning. If you can tap into this basic function, you'll find that learning is both fun and easy.

  76. Physical/Mental Harmony by meburke · · Score: 2

    There have been many memory courses and systems taught over the last couple of centuries. I personally liked, "How to Develop a Super Power Memory," by Harry Lorayne. It's old but good, and you only have to read it once. (!!!) http://www.amazon.com/How-Develop-Super-Power-Memory/dp/0811901815

    There are many others: One of my favorites for studying is, "Brainbooster" by Robert Finkle. It helps organize your memory system specifically for studying. http://www.amazon.com/New-Brainbooster-Hours-Learning-Remembering/dp/0802773524/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1389726169&sr=1-6&keywords=brainboosters

    I have over thirty how-to books on memory and learning that revolve around mnemonics. They all teach pretty much the same thing,, and some of them may appeal to you more than others, so check around. The books by Tony Buzan are pretty good, and some of them teach skills besides memory that apply to study.

    The book, "Find Your Focus Zone," by Lucy Palladino is terrific, and includes insights into how the brain works and how to make it work better. http://www.yourfocuszone.com/

    A lot of people don't study well because they don't take care of their body. I highly recommend, "The Four Hour Body," by Timothy Ferriss. As for learning, His book, "The Four-Hour Chef" is more about learning than cooking. (Tim did a show for Discovery called, "Trial by Fire" which followed him while he learned martial arts skills (Yabasume) equivalent to 20 years' ordinary practice in only about 4 months. He has a background in neuro science, so he seems to have access to a lot of cool resources.) http://www.amazon.com/4-Hour-Body-Uncommon-Incredible-Superhuman/dp/030746363X/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1389726764&sr=1-1&keywords=4+hour+body+by+timothy+ferris

    Again, the connection between brain and body; "Change your Brain-Change your Body" by Daniel Amen. This is very much about Brain Fitness, but also syncs the health and fitness connection. http://www.amazon.com/Change-Your-Brain-Body-Always/dp/0307463583

    For fun read, "Moonwalking with Einstein," by Joshua Foer. It is an overview of the culture of people who train their memory for serious competition. http://www.amazon.com/Moonwalking-Einstein-Science-Remembering-Everything/dp/0143120530/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1389726982&sr=1-1&keywords=walking+with+einstein

    Good luck.

    --
    "The mind works quicker than you think!"
  77. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As would circumstances that some people can't concentrate under. I'm one of those people. I hate human voices or random sounds when I'm working on something. I pretty much wear headphones to do any real work otherwise it's a very frustrating situation for me. To see me "out of my element" you'd think I'm some kind of idiot, the reality is that I know I have a problem but it's not one most people can relate to.

  78. Seth Roberts blog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Read Seth Roberts' blog: http://blog.sethroberts.net/. It's focused on how to improve sleep and how to improve brain functioning.

    Some of his findings:
    -a teaspoon of honey before bed improves sleep
    -eating more fat, such as butter, improves brain functioning (measured by reaction time)
    -magic dots improve focus (make a mark on paper every time you complete 5 minutes on a task)

    There's lots more. It's worth a read.

  79. Use Ritalin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As per subject: use it!

  80. Re:Just remember the golden rule of long term memo by Pope · · Score: 1

    Would you say the key is repetition?

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    It doesn't mean much now, it's built for the future.
  81. Three pillars of good health and energy by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Informative

    The three pillars of good health are:

    1) Nutrition. Make sure you're giving your body energy.
    2) Exercise. Keeps your body capable. Cleans out bad stuff.
    3) Sleep. Gives your body time to rebuild itself.

    Once you have those figured out, then the answer is practice, and it will improve. Personal anecdote: I used to have horrible memory skills until I memorized a workable vocabulary in another language. Now I can handle memorization no problem.

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    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  82. Attention-deficit disorder (ADD). by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suffered a while from likely symptoms before knowing what it was ... it's called Attention-deficit disorder (ADD). Approximately 4% of people suffer from it. Add has nothing to do with physical agitation. Your attention is just lower than most people, therefore slowing the reading / learning and memory process....

  83. Moonwalking with Einstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://joshuafoer.com/

    Joshua knows as much about memory as anyone. Plus he's funny.

    Practice helps with speed, too.

  84. Scheduling by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    First, it takes me way too long to complete tasks (as if suffering from time dilation) — tests take me approximately twice the amount of time to finish [and the amount of time it takes to study and do homework is cumulative and unsustainable].

    Sounds like you just need to schedule twice the amount of time to complete the tasks. Problem solved. :)

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    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  85. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To make such a statement is both cruel and more demonstrative of your own lacking than his. Anyone attempting to improve their lot in life by investing in themselves should lauded not ridiculed. Just because his path may be harder than someone else's doesn't mean he should give up, nor does it mean he cannot overcome present circumstance.

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    Two of my imaginary friends reproduced once ... with negative results.
  86. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Believing "brightness" to be an intrinsic character trait is a psychological crutch for those who view their intelligence as their only redeeming quality. A large proportion of the variety of cognitive impairments can be overcome, many even cured, and people can and do get smarter. OP should be praised for embarking on a serious quest for self-improvement. If only those sitting on their laurels would do so as well.

    Maybe the asker should figure out how to memorize the multiplication table before he embarks on a four+ year, $40k+ college expense. I'd like to ride a 200 hp motorcycle, but I'll master a 250cc before getting one.

  87. My $0.02 by godrik · · Score: 1

    There are lots of advice, but I'll contribute to it. I have been teaching for a few years and I was a good student before that. So I guess my advice are meaningful.

    1/ SLEEP and HEALTH! Sleep is critical. Health is critical. Plenty of people apparently already pointed it out. But your body and your brain do need the sleep. Getting 2 more hours of sleep is typically more important than getting 2 more hours of study. Also, you will sleep better if your optic nerve is not too stimulated before you fall asleep. So try to stay aways from screens in the last hour of your day.

    2/ Beware of slides. Many classes are slide based nowadays. I find it idiotic in most topics. Slides are typically short bullet points, they won't help you remembering everything. Also they contribute to student not writing during the class. Most people have a visual memory which means that you need to SEE the material. Also you learn better when you are active rather than passive. Most of the time you can accomplish both by writing your class.

    3/ You need to study in the calm. No TV or radio in the background do not help you study, they are likely to be distracting you. Music can be helpful to cover background noise, I'd stay away from high BPM tracks or tracks with understandable lyrics. Classical, instrumental, electronic or pop music in a language you do not speak are typically good candidates.

    4/ You need to study smart. Typically I find that going over notes, correcting them or re-writing them helps a lot to get the data in. I tend to spend at least 30 minutes per hour of lecture. Making picture illustration (schemas) helps. Before a test, I usually try to make a 2 or 3 pages summary of what is important. Once again, the point is not to have it, but to make it. Doing extra exercise help.

    5/ Out of class material. The way the informations are presented in class is not the only way to present the informations. I found it extremely useful in the past to pick other sources of informations. Go to your library and pick a book related to what you study and read it when you have time. It might say the same thing as your class in a different way, or just say something different. But for sure that will help you getting different perspective of your subject.

    6/ Exercises. There is no secret in how to deal with exercise. You need to do exercise. If you are too slow, you need to do more. It might be important to understand WHY you are slow. Do you not understand the techniques involved? Or does it take you too much time to apply them?

    Finally remember that going to college is essentially a full time job. Even if you are enrolled for only 15 credits, it should probably take about 45 hours of your time each week.

  88. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take a path in life more suited to your abilities. Tests taking twice as long, and tasks taking too long mean that you are not able to do them acceptably.

    Taking the time to understand that the utterly pointless shit that is presented to you in college will have little or no impact on your life or career is the first step in understanding how to make oneself more "suited" to college.

    This certainly doesn't mean quitting is necessarily the best or right answer.

    And if your dream in life is to become a nurse or teacher, you don't really have an option of not having the degree, or being better off without it. I hate the fact that certain paths in life require a degree. Good luck arguing against that point with the other thousand applicants.

  89. Any other drugs? by plopez · · Score: 1

    Besides caffeine? Anything else which may be a factor?

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    putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
  90. memory is a skill, practice at it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    everybody has different memorization skills (as in methods + ability).
    some are innate, like better sensory memory (sight, sound, smell, touch, taste); some are more about how you think.
    most can be improved with practice, or by using different kinds of memory working together.

    for example, there's the often-mentioned trick of telling yourself a story which incorporates the material, an approach which lets people memorize details as dry as pi to thousands of digits or the contents of telephone books (or, more appropriate to this day & age, google search responses :).

    try a variety of things and find out works best for you.
    and practice with random things as you go through your day... could make a commute more interesting, anyway.

  91. Use spaced repetition software by John_Yossarian · · Score: 1

    I recommend using anki: http://ankisrs.net/

    The basic idea is you make electronic flashcards based on the material you need to memorize. Then the program quizzes you. If you get a question wrong, you will see that question again in a few minutes. If you get it right, the program doesn't show it to you for a few days.

    People use systems like this to memorize vast amounts of information b/c human memory periodically runs garbage collection on unused data. If you recall the desired info at the right intervals, you get around that problem and can shove all sorts of facts into your long term memory. I use it for studying languages, but it can apply to anything. The Jeopardy super champion used anki to memorize trivia in preparation for the show, so I think it should work nicely for college classes.

    1. Re:Use spaced repetition software by aikawa · · Score: 1

      Yes, with Anki you can memorize stuff much more efficiently, for long-term.
      Available for Linux, Mac, Windows, Android (AnkiDroid), iOS (Anki Mobile).
      You can easily sync between devices.
      All open source except for iOS.

  92. Study habits by plopez · · Score: 1

    Check your study habits. Group study is very effective. Apparently this is the "secret weapon" of Asian students, they tend to form more study groups. I use mnemonics quite a bit, e.g. OIL RIG == Oxidation Is Loss Reduction Is Gain.

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    putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
  93. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by pspahn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I teach at a university ... If someone wants to do a university degree, there is no reason they should be unable to do so.

    I'm a car salesman ... If someone wants to drive a car, there is no reason they should be unable to do so.

    --
    Someone flopped a steamer in the gene pool.
  94. Responses are useless by plopez · · Score: 1

    The poster will never remember the answers.

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    putting the 'B' in LGBTQ+
  95. It really sounds like by atari2600a · · Score: 1

    ...you have Aspergers Syndrome. Look into it & find out for yourself. I had the same thought patterns until I realized how retarded traditional education is for a man of my age for my particular industry (where a degree will hinder your pay/employability significantly)

  96. I forget by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I remember reading about a good set of books for improving memory, but can't remember what they were.

  97. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by Dins · · Score: 1

    I think the GP's point was that if it's taking him twice as long to take tests, when he has to apply the information in a real-world setting (i.e. a job) he's probably also going to be slow. Perhaps unacceptably, depending on the job and the employer.

    But that doesn't mean he shouldn't be able to get a degree and still apply it with the right job and employer. Good that he's trying to better himself at any rate.

  98. Get tested to see if you have gluten sensitivity by BravoZuluM · · Score: 1

    If I consume gluten or wheat products in general, I develop foggy mind. No gluten, my mind becomes clear as a bell. What you are describing is a classic symptom of gluten sensitivity. A doctor can test you easily for this.

  99. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And what does that get him? A useless degree at best. You know damn well universities are about cashing tuition checks, not education, which is why such things exist.

    Let's say he was taking programming courses, if he can't complete his assignments there without help - how the fuck is he going to hold down a job? Will your accomodated services come with him to his interview with Google? Your hippie bullshit "everyone deserves a degree" means nothing in the real world.

    How are your special students doing post-graduation? You don't know or even give a fuck, do you?

  100. Been there by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you smoke? Stop. Are you unfit? Join a gym. Those two things for me made the difference between night and day.

  101. as if suffering from time dilation by pr0fessor · · Score: 2

    "as if suffering from time dilation"

    I started having trouble in my 30s with concentration, memory, and can relate to the feeling of being trapped in some kind of time dilation field. I didn't experience it all the time, more frequently when I was under stress. Until one day the feeling became so bad that I went to the doctor. It was poor diet, I had low blood sugar {stress made it worse}. I cleaned up my diet according to the doctors recommendation and don't experience it any more.

    There are any number of things that can effect memory concentration consulting with a doctor that can run tests is probably a better place to start than /. Since you have suffered from sleep problems it may not be as simple as a poor diet but still a doctor is the right place to start.

  102. Re:Just remember the golden rule of long term memo by jcoy42 · · Score: 1

    I think we can all agree that it bears repeating- repetition is the key.

    --
    Never trust an atom. They make up everything.
  103. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That's bullshit. I started out with similar troubles, and just had to learn better time management. Skip the time-consuming questions, focus on the fast questions, then go back and work out as much of the time-consuming questions as possible in the time alloted.

    Few students do this.

    I think a lot of kids today aren't taught this for some reason. There are test taking strategies as far as time management. A few I remember: 1. Skim the test first, just to get a quick idea of what is on it. Allocate time based on point values (i.e. make sure you have time for essays if they're 60% of the exam!) 2. Answer all of the easy questions you know first as the OP noted. 3. Go back, on any multiple choice questions that were hard, eliminate the choices you know are incorrect. 4. Refer to #1, did any of the later questions actually answer a previous question? 5. By process of elimination answer any difficult multiple choice questions.

  104. Training by Peter+H.S. · · Score: 4, Informative

    Memory and study technique are like all other efforts; they require regular training if you want to master them. There are no magic short cuts or pills that can remove the need of training. Some things like good sleep, exercise and not being stressed helps a lot, but you still need training.

    The training will be hard and progress frustratingly slow in the beginning (think overweight ex-chain smoker taking up jogging or cycling; it is tough going in the beginning.).

    Reading books is the key to success. You have to read regularly (like every day) and probably for more than an hour per day to make any difference (bed time reading excluded).

    Memory is a complex thing, but for studying purposes I find it useful to distinguish between "passive" and "active" memory. "Active" memory is the stuff you can recall and talk about for some length. "Passive" memory is something where you can recall the meaning when you read about it again. Just reading a book usually just produce "passive" memory. Talking about the book (or movie, or show, etc.) afterwards converts the passive memory to active memory.

    A good student is one that studies in such a way, that the most important stuff in the texts, are converted from passive to active memory.

    There are several classic techniques to convert passive book knowledge into active; discuss the book afterwards with others, write you thoughts about the text down (making notes is useful even if you never look at them again), or use your inner voice to recapitulate what you have just read, or even talk aloud to a fictitious audience. The latter was a major technique for Roman orators because it improves rhetorical skills as well. It will improve your verbal exams considerably if you train the same way.

    So try to start out with a small non-fiction book with a subject that you care for. Read a whole chapter, then reread it one page at a time, explaining to yourself with your inner voice using your own words, what was covered in that page and what parts were the important ones. Perhaps underline important passages.
    Afterwards, try to recapitulate major points from what your read, perhaps glancing at the index as a memory aid.

    Read another book on the subject in the same manner, and compare it underways (from memory only at first) to the first book.

    The above will not just convert passive memory to active memory, but it will also help you to actually understand in detail what was written instead of just reading the passage on autopilot without comprehension, it will help you focus on what is important, and the comparison will spawn memory connection between both text, so that one passage from one book, opens up the knowledge from the second book.

    The above is very slow and time consuming in the beginning, and it is hard work too. But don't worry, as time goes by, the speed will increase; you will develop your own way of committing the stuff to memory, and knowledge will make it easier to see what is important, and what is secondary.

    The point is to learn how to learn in a slow, systematic and thorough way in the beginning, later you brain will do much of the stuff automatically, and the speed will increase too.

    Read, recapitulate to understand what was read and to convert it from passive to active memory, try to identify what is key points, compare and connect the knowledge with similar subjects, read slow and thoroughly at first, and don't be afraid to reread stuff later.

    Good luck.

  105. Utterly stupid! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is why education is such a farce. I had trouble retaining information myself all through school. When I got into the business world (software engineer), learning was as snap. The reason was that I had every source necessary at hand to figure out how to do the job. No memorization was required. Everything could be referenced and looked up anytime. All I had to do was to see once what instructions were available to get the program going. I didn't have to have everything committed to memory. This came with continuous use. This is what education should be, giving the student the examples of how things are done and then allow them to use every source available to do it. NOT memorize everything also to prove how wonderfully smart they supposedly are.
    I have seen some complete lowlife losers get into good job positions because they happened to have a good memorizing ability to get a degree. One such loser I worked with shortly told me how easy college was for him because he had the ability to memorize gobs and gob and gobs of information and then spew it out of his memory forever after the test.

  106. I don't think that means what you think it means.. by Dr.+Zim · · Score: 4, Funny

    If someone is sitting on their laurels, they've already improved themselves.

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    (name withheld by request)
  107. Re:Studying art is not for me by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can sketch, but I do not have the fine motor skills or natural ability to replicate real world (or imagined) people, places, or things on paper. If I were to go to a university to study art, I too would take 2-3 times as long as anyone else, and produce work which was noticably less accurate/detailed than my peers. I could study harder, retake many classes, try all sorts of learning tricks, but it would always be an uphill battle.

    It is easy for those of us in knowledge positions to think that success in technical classes is simply a function of hard work. That, while partially true, is not the sole criteria for success. A friend (and music notable) has said that nearly everyone can sing, and with practice anyone who can sing, can sing well. While that's true, it's only true in the sense that you could dedicate your entire life to singing and get good - good enough to enjoy it. But you would never have thevoice of Mariah Carey or Luciano Pavoratti or any of a number of naturally gifted people who also worked very hard.

    I think the parent post is right -maybe college just ins't for this guy. At least not as a short term career choice. Speed and repetition, along with memory training may help. Or it may not. Choosing to become an artist out of desire, and finding that you cannot - with instruction - replicate basic actions is a prime indicator that art may not be the path which provides the greatest reward.

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    Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
  108. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    Every person is not a delicate butterfly who will grow up to be the unicorn if they just believe and clap their hands hard enough to make it so.

    Sometimes, a wall in front of you is not a requirement that you climb it no matter the difficulty, but perhaps that walking around - or choosing a different direction - really is a better alternative.

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    Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
  109. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Very few people have been killed by others getting their diplomas.

  110. Illegal use of prescription drugs by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

    Such as Ritalin. Anything else wouldn't be worth the time you could have spent studying.

    Seriously though, you're screwed education-wise. For the most part, if it isn't 100% about rote memorization, it's a vital part of passing exams.

    The good news is that in the real world if you can't remember something off the top of your head and have to look it up, it's no big deal. The bad news is that the people who have good memory (and usually no other merits) will have a big advantage over you going into the job market.

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    "When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
  111. Weed by aaaaaaargh! · · Score: 3, Funny

    Lots of weed. Wait, what was the question again?

  112. Syntax error by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a conditional statement your OP could have done with an "IF". Were you trying to write Prolog?

    1. Re:Syntax error by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      As then could everyone else making suggestions. But then since no one else did either what conclusion could we draw? We all think we know exactly what his situation is? Or, that everyone expected that the implication of their suggestions was that they were ideas to look at rather than a specific prescription for remedy?

      --
      Two of my imaginary friends reproduced once ... with negative results.
  113. Several possibilities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I ran across some similar issues years back; since you're asking for speed, I have a few ideas to think about (besides fixing sleep, which WILL help lots - you might be able to get some advice from the college counselling department for that):

    Meditate. Meditation has recently been tied to improvements in what is, essentially, 'cognitive speed' (I forget the publication, article came out summer 2013 though). UCLA's Mindful Awareness Research Center (MARC) and the Oxford Mindfulness Centre have some excellent resources in this department, and (at least in my experience) 15 minutes a day can give one heck of a nice kick-start.

    Questions Are Your Friend: If something about the material doesn't make sense to you, try and turn that into a question. Try and find different possible answers to the question. Ask your question to others; be willing to discuss what you've come across. If the material still doesn't make sense, that's cool - you have a new question! And if a lot of your questions seem similar to each other, categorize them. Come up with areas you know you are good at, and areas you have issues; work on problem areas. Seriously, though, question EVERYTHING. Getting in the habit of asking questions all the time means you'll catch problem areas quicker, too.

    Mistakes Are Your Friend: Mistakes are a *GREAT* source of questions - they mean you tried to do x and did y instead, which means you get to come up with some ideas about how to fix it. Speed benefits very much related to the above.

    Self-Improve Serially: Don't try everything at once. Pick one thing, whatever you feel is your current learning bottleneck, and spend some time making it better. In my experience, this means experimentation - try something, give it some time to work, and either stick with it or figure out what went wrong and build from there. Since you're in school, picking one major task to work on each semester (or quarter) is a good idea. This speeds up the overall process, because you're getting to the 20-hour mark (a major milestone, actually - there's a TED(x?) Talk about this somewhere) in whatever skill or habit you're working on much quicker, and you can turn those results into gains in other tasks.

    Eat Right: Take this with a grain of salt; this is a complex area, there's lots of bad info out there, and I'm no nutritionist. That said, roughly, 'Simple' Carbs ('Regular' Pastas and Potatoes, White Rice and Breads, Sugars) and Trans Fats (typically any fats or oils which are solid at room temperature) should be minimized (your taste buds may take time to adjust). Eat a base of Complex Carbs (typically whole grain/wheat pastas and breads, brown rices, sweet+purple potatoes?), which are a major fuel source and scale nicely with exercise, along with Meats and Vegetables for fiber, protein, and most of your nutrients. Fruits, nuts, and berries make good snacks and typically provide a nice short-term energy boost, as well as providing extra nutrients. Stay well hydrated, too - urine should be more clear than yellow. Speed gains come from everything else working right, which can improve base speed as well as reduce any moodiness that might be making a task more difficult.

    Prioritize: You come first. Let me repeat that: You come first. When several tasks collide, whatever they are, prioritize by the task which you believe will benefit you the most, preferably in the long-term. If some particular thing (such as a job) is constantly causing problems, either change it up or figure out a way to do it without it getting in your way. This will improve cognitive speed by letting you make decisions quicker, since you'll have some pre-developed value measurement.

    Be Careful About Perfectionism: Bad Perfectionism means beating oneself up over errors; Good Perfectionism is spending as much time as is valuable to you to achieve the goal optimally and being ok with the result, whatever it is - your value is derived from the effort spent first. Speed from here is a result of avoiding the stress which comes from mistakes.

  114. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    And every person on the planet could be the best basketball player on the planet, if only they trained harder/practiced more.

    Some traits are influenced by genetics (intrinsic). The studies have shown correlations that indicate this is true with intelligence (though also influenced by environment as well).

    The best advice at this point is probably to put off study for another 5 years, and in that time, find an intelligent hobby. If he wants better math skills, take up sudoko or cards. If he wants better language/reading skills, read more (fiction, non fiction doesn't really matter). Do things that exercise the parts of the brain they want to focus on.

    I could *never* be a world-class basketball player, but I could be better than I am now.

  115. Re:Stop trying to generalize!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I never liked the brute force memorization of songs, poems and passage I had to do in grade school but memorization is just as important as understanding concepts. Doing calculus for example, memorization of some basic integrals significantly speed up understanding and usage of more complex problems.

  116. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by ApplePy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Believing "brightness" to be an intrinsic character trait is a psychological crutch for those who view their intelligence as their only redeeming quality.

    Nonsense. It's only one of my many redeeming qualities.

    I really tire of the notion that people do not differ in intelligence. We know it about everything else, from sprinting speed, to artistic talent, to the strength of one's eyesight being inborn, but gods forbid we say that about brains.

    Oh no, if we just spend enough money on schools, and feed little Johnny a federal breakfast, we'll find that everyone is smart enough to be an electrical engineer. Even all the little minority kids are geniuses but we lie and say they're not because racism. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. I'm sick of it.

    I'm smarter than some people and dumber than others, and no amount of mental gymnastics is going to change that.

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  117. Pay your monies and take your chances. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, see a psych who can make you dependent on some life threatening drug that hopefully will do what you hope for without all the many dangerous side effects.

    If you have problem retaining information get more familiar with the subject, do lots of practical hands-on tests or walk throughs to demonstrate to yourself how it is working, all the way through. By properly covering each point and not skipping at any point it will all come together piece by piece.

    Go back and review from the beginning every now and then to ensure you have not missed anything.

  118. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pushing boundaries and becoming more than you presently are should always be the foremost goal of everyone. Does everyone succeed in every endeavor? Of course not. But even the struggle of the journey itself bares fruit. To simply give up and accept only that which is easy would be a tragic waste so much potential.

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  119. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    Depends on the test. I never skim tests. They could tell you the structure and breakdown of questions, but not the difficulty of them. If you are reading to that level, it's no longer a "skim" and you could just answer the question. So know the layout before you start. Most testgivers will tell you the number of each type of question long before the test, so you can prepare.

    Rarely have I run out of time in a test. I'm usually first done. That doesn't correlate with score (I'm first done and usually do well, but I'll also be first done with a C or worse - if you don't know it, staring at it won't help).

    Knowing what you don't know is the best thing for me. "I think it's 7, if it's not 7, then I don't know what it is or how to find an alternate answer" then pick 7, move on, and don't come back.

    Elimination as an answering tool for multiple choice isn't a time management tool.

  120. Unable to memorize times tables - a real problem by Biologist · · Score: 1

    The OP comments that he/she is unable to commit times tables to memory. This alone indicates a real, measurable learning disability in at least one domain. He/she should get formally tested and have a plan to address the areas of weakness directly.

  121. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Talented people knows that Genius is 1% talent and 99% percent hard work . Talented are good to hide hard work.

  122. Diet, exersize, and noots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As others have commented, your condition seems a bit extreme and may be a result of lifestyle, environmental, or physiological factors. Get a thorough physical from a physician rather than relying on /.ers to prescribe a solution.

    That said, you may want to experiment with various nootropics, esp racetams. A good bootstrap might be AGP choline and oxiracetam; both are fairly easy to acquire and fairly cheap. There are other experimentals available now (eg PRL-8-53) intended for memory boosting. For lack of focus issues, look into pramiracetam or nefiracetam (note the latter is a bit controversial due to an old study of megadosing dogs). Note that most noots will likely disrupt your sleep patterns after awhile, since they tend to keep the brain running in high gear. Also look into various choline supplements (my favorite is centro aka Lucidril, but be careful about cheap choline bitartrate, which can have adverse emotional effects. Another recommendation: omega 3's (fish/flaxseed oil).

    fwiw, I'm 50+ and starting getting fuzzy around the edges about 8 years ago (tho not to the extremes you indicate). After exploring various noots, I've worked out my own stack, which I start/stop as needed, and the effects are definitely positive for me. But as always YMMV. Longecity can be a good source of info (tho with its share of crackpots as well).

  123. Sleep is key by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Today I read something that made me doubt my decision to go back to university as a math freshman two years ago (I'm in my mid 40s). It's a quote by the inventor of the Pinyin romanization system for Chinese, Professor Zhou Youguang, who turned 108 today, as recorded by Victor Mair:

    He tells me that one of his secrets of longevity is to sleep whenever he feels like it and get up and work whenever he feels like doing so. [ languagelog ]

    I deeply believe that to be true. And all the more I hate this irrational university system that makes people get up before dawn. In every lecture there's someone dozing off, and this has nothing to do with the lecture being boring or people's partying habits. It's the enormous workload and the stupid time schedules that make people sleep-deprived, and that cannot be good neither for our health nor for our cognitive capacity. Believe me, this affects the kiddies as much as us oldsters. Or even more.

    If I were to follow this hunch I'd go back to taking moocs. But that would feel like quitting. Also I don't trust my self-discipline enough, I think I need some external pressure.

  124. False division there by hessian · · Score: 1

    Believing "brightness" to be an intrinsic character trait is a psychological crutch for those who view their intelligence as their only redeeming quality. A large proportion of the variety of cognitive impairments can be overcome, many even cured, and people can and do get smarter.

    All the evidence points to intelligence being an innate trait, but it also sometimes co-exists with certain learning disabilities.

    It doesn't go both ways however -- someone with Down's syndrome has a lower intelligence and won't be able to complete a college regimen (unless it's dumbed down for political reasons, or they're a poli sci major). Generally you're supposed to have a 115 IQ or higher to get through college.

  125. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by Hatta · · Score: 1

    What the OP should do is go see the Accommodated Services department (or equivalent) at his/her university and see what accommodations can be made.

    And what happens when a future employer is unwilling to make accomodations for someone who cannot perform?

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  126. Meditate by cryoknight · · Score: 0

    If you can't sleep, learn to meditate. This will rest your mind, among several other things.

    I started meditating in college with the Silva method (alpha level meditation -- very light meditation, akin to when you watch tv)
    After college, I started with the theta level (the point right before sleep) meditation course from: www.probablefutures.com.
    A year after I got my tech diploma from college, I decided to transfer to university to finish my degree. I continued meditating during that time.
    When I got to university, the amount of time it took me to finish an exam dropped by 50-75%.
    When I was in high school and college, I typically took the entire time available to write an exam, and didn't always finish.
    In university, I finished 17 out of 21 exams first. The next person out took twice as long as I did. The other 4 exams, I finished within 5 minutes of the first person.

    The one difference in my lifestyle was meditation.

  127. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by Hatta · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That is to say, it was found that people who believe math to be a talent perform worst than people who believe it is a skill that can be mastered with effort.

    Suppose math IS a talent. Then those without that talent would have tried and failed to get good at math. They would correctly believe that math is a talent.

    Those who have the talent would have tried and succeeded, and since people tend to believe that their experience is common experience, they would assume that people who are bad at math didn't try. So they would incorrectly believe that math is a skill instead of a talent.

    Your data is consistent with either conclusion.

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  128. Tip on test taking... by erp_consultant · · Score: 1

    Whenever I take a test the first thing I do is look for the questions that I absolutely know the answer to and tackle them first. This accomplishes two things: it builds confidence for tackling the tougher questions and it ensures that you won't run out of time by missing out on easy questions. As others have mentioned, the key thing is to understand the material rather than trying to memorize it. When your brain understands something conceptually it will create little hooks to retrieve the trivia bits that are often asked on tests.

    Although my school days are long behind me I find that these techniques still work for me when I'm learning new concepts today. Take a bubble sort for example. In my view, it's more important to understand how and why it works rather than the syntax to accomplish it. Syntax you can look up. Understanding the concept is the key thing.

  129. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by sandytaru · · Score: 1

    Hey, that's how I do my alpha testing!

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  130. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by darnkitten · · Score: 1

    Often when a person leaves the educational environment for an extended time, he or she loses the study/memorization/testing skills that once were routine and instinctive. Those skills can be difficult to re-learn. Check to see if your university has a Returning Students or a Students Over Traditional age Program. When my dad returned to school, they were able to help him with study and learning strategies. What they couldn't help with, he got through on sheer cussedness (for instance, it would take him many nights of study and several tries to pass each of his higher maths class, but he made it through them all).

    Keep slogging through, and best wishes!

  131. Memorize tons of arbitrary information by techprophet · · Score: 1

    No joke. The best way to increase the rate at which you retain information is to train yourself to retain information without regard for its utility. Commit lyrics to memory. Memorize the hobbit appendices. Takes time of course, but it isn't something that you have to sustain for your entire life.

  132. Get a book by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

    Get a book about "how to learn efficient" and one about "practicing".
    There are easy learning techniques involving index cards.
    Practicing is for getting up to speed.
    I assume, you do try to 'learn' after class and try to 'practice' before the exames?

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  133. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by TheCarp · · Score: 0

    > Your data is consistent with either conclusion.

    Did you see data detailed somewhere? because I wasn't even trying to present the data supporting those conclusions, I was only summarizing the conclusions and the general form of the data that was used to come to them.

    I am sure such a discussion of the original relevant studies and their data might be interesting but, it would require actual data and not just my brief summary.

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  134. Better Joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2 men and a woman are talking about past travels they enjoyed, and one of the men is having trouble remembering a name. He says to the other man, "What's the name of that flower... the red one with the thorns that smells so nice?" The other man replies, "A rose?" "Yes, that's it," replies the first. Then he turns to his wife and says, "Rose, where was that city in Spain where the Moors ruled for 764 years and 5 months?"

  135. Re:Just remember the golden rule of long term memo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For most people, I'd guess it's repetition, probably. But I've seen brilliant students whose memorizing skills are so well developed that they never write anything twice, though they will read through things multiple times. I'm convinced that is a learned or self taught skill and has a lot to do with attitude and a lack of fear of the material.

  136. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by LF11 · · Score: 1

    It's how I code! :)

  137. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by jafac · · Score: 1

    Logic is a talent?

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  138. Nature AND nurture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A computer fresh out of the box with no OS installed is pretty much useless. It's got "talent" to be something interesting. You have to install on OS on it, which is analagous to teaching. You have to keep the OS patched, which is "life long learning".

    There are some sad cases of kids raised with very little input, and they don't function. There are also some inspiring cases of kids with mental challenges that received special input and achieved.

    Most of us fall somewhere in between all of that; but it's "nature vs. nurture" is a false dichotomy. You need both.

  139. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by unrtst · · Score: 4, Insightful

    arghhh... bullshit.
    I used to, and still do, hear the same thing regarding artistic talents. My senior year in high school, I was spending 2 study halls, 1 art class, and my lunch, and any other classes that let us take a blow off day, in the art room, and I was spending hours at home on it as well. Yes, I could draw/paint/etc better than most others, but they spent somewhere between zero and 20 minutes a day, in an unconcentrated state, practicing.

    I do 100% believe that there are predispositions to various activities, and if you enjoy something or, at least, easily stay focused on something, then it'll be easier to get better at said thing. I don't think those are talents.
    I'll also admit that I think there *are* some naturally "talented" people, but the term "savant" fits better.

    The vast majority of tasks, especially the 9-5 job ones, do not require any talent. Dedication, hard work, commitment, etc... sure, but you don't need to be especially talented, and most people are not. I also think anyone can learn just about anything (master is another question) if they really want to. It could be an uphill battle for some, and I think that's what the original topic is about... what are some ways he can make this easier? That's a valid question for anyone, and for each person, the answer will probably be a little different.

    All that said, just as the "naturally talented" folks are the exception and not the norm, there will be some that simply won't be able to excel in some areas. If you have an IQ of 85, don't get your hopes up on joining the ranks of string theory experts. If you're over 400lb before college, you probably won't be joining the olympic-level marathons... but you could work up to a nice long jog.

  140. There is a whole website by Babstar · · Score: 1

    You need to visit mnemotechnics.org - Best collection of techniques that I have found on the web. http://mnemotechnics.org/wiki/Main_Page

  141. Get yourself younger blood by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

    According to some recent studies there's something in the blood of younger people that makes their brains learn better. Enough so that giving an older person blood from a younger person actually has very noticeable affects on the brain.

    So one possibility would be to get regular transfusions from a young person to keep your brain functioning at its best. Younger folks tend to be destitute so you might be able to pay for this. Otherwise I suppose you could use the techniques demonstrated in the documentary series Twilight to get yourself "volunteer" donors...

  142. You can't fix stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can't fix stupid.

  143. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bullshit! I have a lousy memory but seem to be able to put things together OK .

    I struggled in HS and in some undergraduate courses (barely made a D in Introduction to Biology which was a pure memorize-names BS course.) Nonetheless, I went on to get an engineering PhD from a tier 1 university. Hell, even now I can't recite all of the multiplication table without stopping to figure it out. My GRE was in the top 2%, so a good memory isn't even necessary for the GRE.

    On a possibly related note, I've had the same wife for 30+ years and she assures me that a bad memory is an advantage in a relationship...

  144. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Einstein didn't consider himself to be a natural talent at maths. Penrose or someone taught him differential geometry, which is about as math as maths can get.

  145. C'mon... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    If any story deserves a dup in a couple of days time, it's this one.

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  146. Memory and learning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Learning and memorization aren't the same thing. But they're very closely related. If I want to know how long something will take to reach the ground when I drop it I can pull out my watch, but measurement error will dominate. I can try more complicated experiments and derive gravity, but that's going to take a long time and a lot of effort. Or I can remember gravity, remember acceleration due to gravity and figure it out easily, assuming minimal air resistance. And as soon as I remember air resistance I can tell if that's a reasonable assumption, which I won't get from dropping cannon balls off of a castle wall.

    If we're talking computer science it's even easier. Your toolset includes a bunch of data structures and algorithms. You need to remember those, and you need to remember their characteristics. For education you need to understand the characteristics of quicksort and answer questions about it, such as why can you pivot around a particular value in a particular position, why is it faster than insertion sort, why would it sometimes be not faster. If you don't remember the algorithm it's hard to reason about it.

    The same applies to problem solving in general. So much of problem solving is pattern recognition. Problems usually fit some template. They are similar to something you've seen before and you can apply the same approaches to solving them. The more patterns you have available the quicker and easier this is. Newton was already standing on the shoulders of giants. To be educated today you must draw from the knowledge of the past, put in your toolkit and use it and build on it. The way we draw from that knowledge is through our memory.

    1. Re:Memory and learning by YumoolaJohn · · Score: 1

      Again.

      The same applies to problem solving in general.

      If you want to be a real problem solver, you have to understand what you're doing. Merely memorizing patterns so you can perform pattern recognition is what I call a "rote memorization genius." That's not to say that memorizing patterns isn't useful, but most people don't understand the logic behind what they're doing at all.

      I advocate understanding. I do not advocate that people never remember anything. Although, I do assert that schools far too often force people to make an explicit effort at memorizing material (such as memorizing multiplication tables), and that such a thing is almost always useless.

  147. Re:Studying art is not for me by unrtst · · Score: 1

    I can sketch, but I do not have the fine motor skills or natural ability to replicate real world (or imagined) people, places, or things on paper. If I were to go to a university to study art, I too would take 2-3 times as long as anyone else, and produce work which was noticably less accurate/detailed than my peers. I could study harder, retake many classes, try all sorts of learning tricks, but it would always be an uphill battle.

    Do you have any idea how many hours those others have already invested in those skills? You'd be playing catch up, but not because of talent! (note: I went to college for fine arts... there's a LOT of people that struggled to replicated real world imagery, even if they could make nice looking art)

    Here's one of my favorite (real) stories (it's slightly on topic):
    A friend, Tom, was selling some ceramic pieces at the art fair.
    A lady wanted one of the pieces, and was a little shocked at the price - $85.
    She asked how long it took him to make it, that it was priced so high (which, btw, was only high in the "student art sale" realm).
    His reply: "22 years - my entire life."
    He then briefly explained that it would be impossible for him to make that piece if it weren't for everything that came before it... the hundreds of others that never made it off the wheel; the learning of the fundamentals of color, line, and form; etc etc. So no, it's not worth $85, but I need the money for school, so I'm selling it at a loss.

    It is easy for those of us in knowledge positions to think that success in technical classes is simply a function of hard work. That, while partially true, is not the sole criteria for success. A friend (and music notable) has said that nearly everyone can sing, and with practice anyone who can sing, can sing well. While that's true, it's only true in the sense that you could dedicate your entire life to singing and get good - good enough to enjoy it. But you would never have thevoice of Mariah Carey or Luciano Pavoratti or any of a number of naturally gifted people who also worked very hard.

    Those are exceptions, not the norm, even for professional singers. Do you have any idea how many people are paid to sing? Dedicate your life to it, and there's a REALLY REALLY good chance you can be one of them.

    Choosing to become an artist out of desire, and finding that you cannot - with instruction - replicate basic actions is a prime indicator that art may not be the path which provides the greatest reward.

    If you enjoy it and have the desire, you already have the reward if you are actively doing it. ...and have you seen any artwork... ever!?! The "replicate basic actions" are the easy part, and often not required. (ex. https://www.google.com/search?safe=off&site=&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1392&bih=1047&q=Willem+de+Kooning&oq=Willem+de+Kooning&gs_l=img.12..0l10.11723.11723.0.12785.1.1.0.0.0.0.87.87.1.1.0....0...1ac..32.img..0.1.86.yf1nF7wnQGY)

  148. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, because he could never be at the top of his field, he shouldn't even bother?

  149. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In my classes, we were taught the "one mark is one minute of time. Skim your exam and work out which questions to answer first for the most marks, and then work out which of those you can answer. Do those first. Stuck for more than 30 seconds? Skip to the next question, and come back - the answer will probably occur to you in the meantime."

  150. Don't Memory, Associate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can relate.

    The problem may be that you're approaching your studies the wrong way. Memorization is lame; it's what you do when you don't care enough to put the mental energy into understanding the thing. Learn how the elements of what you're learning relate within the discipline and you'll find that the information sticks with you.

    When I find that I can't will myself to be interested in a topic, I try instead to focus on what is important about it. I had to learn accounting that way.

    On a totally different note, figure out what environments work best for your studies. Some people need it to be completely quiet. I prefer a level of chaos that is unrelated to what I'm doing, but buzzing nonetheless -- coffee shops are perfect.

    Finally, *stop failing classes*. Don't blow your GPA, it will be with you until the last time you ever decide you want more education. Put school on the back burner for a year or three, then go try to make it in the "real world." All the while, pay attention to what would have happened had you had the degree, vs. not having it. I failed a few classes and left. When I came back, I knew why I was there and my GPA stayed above 3.5. I'm now a semester from finishing grad school.

    You can do it but you have to want it.

  151. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Says the person that works at McDonald's.

  152. There was an article this week in slashdot.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In one word, caffeine

  153. PQRST by rvw · · Score: 1

    I've studied Psychology. All books were American, and because of that my English has improved enormously, but that's beside the point. Most of these psychology books were set up with learning in mind. One of the described this clearly, with the PQRST method.

    1) P=Preview: browse through the chapter that you're going to read
    2) Q=Question: what is this chapter about? Ask questions to yourself, writing them down is even better
    3) R=Read the chapter
    4) S=Summary: make a written summary of what you've read
    5) T=Test: do you understand what it's about, do you remember?

    For the summary, give it some more attention; don't make it so short and concise that you cannot decipher it anymore in a week or a month. If you reread it in a month and you don't know what it's about anymore without using the book, the summary is no good anymore. It should bring that a-ha feeling, just enough to get those things back into your mind. The test part can help here as well.

  154. Maybe words from a classic could help by thoughtsatthemoment · · Score: 1

    Forget all the advice about the memory. It is all about the method.

    If you write down the steps you do your work and compare that with other people, it's easy to figure out how to improve. But you can also do your own optimization. Once you realize the importance of a good method, the way to do things, you don't need much memory.

    The Chinese classical book, Dao De Jing (literally the book of the Way), says "if you learn every day your knowledge/memory increases; but if you understand the law (Dao means the natural ways/laws of the universe), your knowledge decreases (but you can do more).

    Every sentence in this book is this profound if you can understand. It also contains concrete advice on how to understand Dao. It is a philosophical book not a religious one (although many read it like a Bible). For those who suffer intellectually, this book is a savior.

  155. What I've Learned From My Own Experience by monk · · Score: 2

    I suffered a brain injury at the age of five due to head trauma. I've had several issues over the years including memory and other cognitive problems.
    Over the years, I've developed various coping strategies (lists, mnemonic tricks, remapping tasks to take advantage of strengths and minimize weaknesses).
    The most useful thing I've learned is that most people have to make up for deficits, and you are not at all unusual.

    The advice on exercise and healthy eating make sense in general, but you will also need to create some unfair advantages for yourself. Rather than depending on your own, natural memory, spend some focused time on mnemonic gimmicks. They aren't the same as learning, but they will allow you to carry lists around in your head like the world's most ingenious cheat sheet.

    I've had good results with an old copy of You Can Remember By Dr. Bruno Furst. There may be better courses I don't know about, but this one gave me a bag of tricks I use every day to function almost as if I had a normal to exceptional memory.

    It's just a bag of tricks though, and only a doctor specializing in cognitive issues related to sleep disorders is likely to be able to help you with the root cause.

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  156. Other Ways to Go Back to School by jerel · · Score: 1

    My wife went back to school in her 40's and got her Bachelor's degree, Master's degree, and began her PhD. The key was that she went to the (fully regionally accredited) Anthioch University campus in Santa Barbara, which (at the time, anyway) was geared 100% toward "adult learners" with at least 1-2 years of college credit already. (Note: It is an expensive private school, but if you want it bad enough and can get loans and/or scholarships, it's doable.) Their approach is different from that taken with freshly-minted high school graduates, acknowledging that most adults who return to school have a complex life built up during their years away from formal education, and are at a different place in their life than someone fresh out of high school. There are several things they do differently: class size is very limited; the "quarters" (or whatever) are only 10 weeks long and very intensive; you can opt for letter grades or pass/fail and you are evaluated entirely on class participation and the many MANY papers you must write for each class, usually including a final paper that demonstrates mastery of the material. Classes are scheduled in such a way to better accomodate the student's outside committments, such as family and work. Some students take all their classes on weekends, while others stack them all on one or two days a week, or evenings. Some students find that going back to school surrounded by others who are doing the same thing is more supportive of their efforts.

    Bottom line to what I'm saying: Check out other ways of going to school. Distance learning can be a good option because there are several ways to make that work. Schools catering specifically to adults that are returning to school after an absence are another option.

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  157. Field of study appropriate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't imagine the poster has as bad of a long-term memory as he/she believes. It is more likely that they are not engaging the material and forming thoughts about it, and are instead attempting to memorize facts without making connections between them. This is extremely common, and the thinking process for appropriate learning is not taught.

  158. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We know it about everything else, from sprinting speed, to artistic talent, to the strength of one's eyesight being inborn, but gods forbid we say that about brains.

    For all those things (except maybe eyesight, but even that can be vastly improved with medical treatment), the variability based on effort is much more than the variability based on 'natural ability.'

    Getting a marathon time from 3 hours to 2 hours might take some natural ability (whatever that is), but getting it from 15 hours to 4 hours is all effort (and knowing how to apply that effort).

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  159. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    No. That he can never be at the top of his field is proof that the GP (skids) was wrong. You are just agreeing with me in a most disagreeable manner.

  160. Re:Studying art is not for me by darnkitten · · Score: 2

    Chuck Jones' illustration instructor told his class that "all of you have a hundred thousand bad drawings in you. The sooner you get rid of them, the better..." , While a hundred thousand is a metaphorically high number, if you worked hard and seriously enough, you would eventually develop the fine motor skills and the "ability to replicate real world (or imagined) people, places, or things on paper." In addition, you would in the process, develop a distinct graphic style, and be at an employable level of ability--probably better than most art school students, a good portion of whom are not willing to put real effort into improving their skills.

    Similarly, with steady voice work, you can be employable in ensemble, chorus, or supporting work, which, while not at the level of a "named" star, still would allow you to sing for more than enjoyment.

    Dogged determination focused on self-improvement may not get you to to the heights of ability, but it will generally get you to a practical level of competence.

  161. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by Art+Challenor · · Score: 1, Troll

    Oh no, if we just spend enough money on schools, and feed little Johnny a federal breakfast, we'll find that everyone is smart enough to be an electrical engineer. Even all the little minority kids are geniuses but we lie and say they're not because racism. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. I'm sick of it.

    Assuming that you're not just a racist troll (it's not clear from the posting) I think you're missing the point.

    While I agree that there is an innateness to intelligence, failing to educate capable kids is bad for society. The geniuses (Einstein, Turing, etc.) may make it, but a potentially great brain surgeon may be working as a middle-manager at a department store because there was no path to medical school.

  162. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by chihowa · · Score: 2

    You don't get points for finishing early, but you do get points for getting the correct answer. The elimination strategy (and going back to questions that you weren't sure about) is meant to improve your chances of getting the right answer.

    Using up the allotted time in order to maximize your score is, in fact, a time management tool.

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  163. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm smarter than some people and dumber than others, and no amount of mental gymnastics is going to change that.

    Not with that attitude.

  164. the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    study.

  165. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by SomePoorSchmuck · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Very few people have been killed by others getting their diplomas.

    Thousands of DOD-contractor engineers over the past 60 years would disagree with you. Highly-credentialed scientists have been responsible for millions of deaths in the modern world.

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  166. Parent post is stupid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what does the processing of foods have to do with anything? Should we also stay away from genetically modified foods? They're less natural, therefore less green, therefore more evil, therefore the antithesis of everything good and pure such as school.

    These ideas seem to be along the lines of finding something someone does not understand, claiming to understand it without evidence, claiming the solution is

  167. claiming the solution is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    insert_personal_ideology.

    (sorry, the end of the previous post was interpreted as markup)

  168. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by ApplePy · · Score: 0

    Getting a marathon time from 3 hours to 2 hours might take some natural ability (whatever that is), but getting it from 15 hours to 4 hours is all effort (and knowing how to apply that effort).

    Yeah? Tell that to a guy born with no legs.

    Which is, incidentally, my point.

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    That I'm right, and you don't like it, doesn't mean I'm a troll.
  169. a real sleep disorder by epine · · Score: 1

    I've had a lifetime sleep disorder which I've spent the last three decades dissecting. If you have a real disorder, you're getting a lot of well-intentioned yet useless advice about general well being.

    So many times in my life I've heard "we all go without sleep, you just learn to deal with it". These are people who can't tell the difference between a nose bleed and haemophilia, because they've never been there.

    There are many illnesses which are thought to impact sleep quality. Among these are depression and fibromyalgia. It's not unlikely that depression causes poor sleep, and poor sleep leads to poor memory. Poor sleep alone by another cause is a good depression mimic. A psychologist will understand your symptomatology, but your underlying condition—if it is not actually depression—might not respond to the usual drugs.

    On the bright side, some drugs which are considered to be antidepressants actually provide benefits because they directly treat sleep disruption.

    Low doses of amitriptyline are commonly used to treat FM. I experienced improved sleep quality, and a boost in initiative and motivation. I also had a fuzzy head for the first half of my day, every day. This wasn't a winning trade off for writing code. This drug (in my body, and by some accounts in the literature) has some kind of weird, antagonistic relationship with caffeine. By the time I consumed enough caffeine to clear the fuzzy brain, I lost all the sleep benefits.

    Most people way overdose with caffeine. Once you start chasing the tolerance effect (tolerance begins in as little as a week or two in novice coffee drinkers) you end up drinking about three times as much as you need to get a small increase in net buzz. All that extra caffeine in your body is not friendly to your adrenal system, and it's known to mildly disturb your sleep architecture. The nose-bleeders can ignore this term, if they wish. We sleep haemophiliacs can't afford to play marbles in a rose bush.

    I get 80% of the benefit from caffeine drinking two cups a day, with 7-8 g of ground coffee and 120 g of water per cup. I drink one immediately on waking, and the second cup six hours later (four to seven hours is an acceptable range). This is half what I was drinking the first time I thought I'd achieved moderation. Don't ask me about my pre-moderation coffee consumption. I've learned that it takes my body about three weeks to accept a coffee reduction of 30% as being perfectly normal. The key is to use a gram scale, because for the first ten days your brain is working overtime on how to cheat the system. Never drink a coffee you don't make yourself while cutting back: you'll feel glorious and your brain won't let you forget it.

    Half of an amitriptyline dose metabolises into an equally cheap drug, nortriptyline. Weirdly, both sides of the AT metabolism are active. When I discovered this, I thought "why don't I just try the NT half by itself". This was a good call: almost as much sleep benefit, way less fuzzy brain.

    I get a condition I call "clutch slip" where the cognitive side of my mind is well aware of all things I need to be doing, but I completely lack some mysterious edge to dive into these tasks and do them. The nose-bleed assholes are going to fuck this up again. Yes, I can actually force myself to grin and bear it and do the work. No, applying the lash does not get me past this clutch-slip psychological barrier to the promised land of actually becoming absorbed in the work. If only. I'd pray for that to happen, even at the risk of being socially rejected by all my heroes in the afterlife we all vehemently reject. Worse, the caliber of my work is shit warmed over. In other words, what passes in this life as mediocrity.

    Have you ever had the experience where you're in some life or death struggle with a complex regex or an XSLT script to sanitize an input file and suddenly you realize, "you know, I could run this through tools A, B, C, and

    1. Re:a real sleep disorder by katleman · · Score: 1

      Been in the same boat for half my adult life.

      I agree with you on the sleep docs, CPAP is the cure all to them, and if you don't respond to it, they are lost. And good luck getting others to understand, unless you've experienced what we have, others don't get how truly debilitating sleep dep is.

      Trying drug after drug does make one feel like a guinea pig. Not a single one that allows me to sleep through the night provides me with the feeling of being refreshed. Current theory is RLS, racing thoughts, bit of depression, combined with very very mild sleep apnea (which is a side effect of weight gain from lack of sleep) Starting another experimentation with gabapentin again, higher dosage this go around.

  170. Re:Unable to memorize times tables - a real proble by ExecutorElassus · · Score: 1

    This should be modded up. A lot of the OP's stuff seems pretty garden-variety college overload, but THIS. If he's in his mid-30s, and can't do simple multiplication, there is something dysfunctional in his cognitive processes. And yes: if he's suffering learning disabilities like this, maybe college isn't the right move. A trade school, sure. But I would steer him away from any four-year degree. I wonder what his major is...

  171. Re:Studying art is not for me by olau · · Score: 1

    But you would never have the voice of Mariah Carey or Luciano Pavarotti or any of a number of naturally gifted people who also worked very hard.

    True, but luckily, in many cases you don't actually need to be a world master. You just need to figure out if you can reach a level where people will pay for what you can do, in one way or another.

    My piano teacher once told me that really talented students sometimes had a tendency to not make it, because at some point a natural gift just doesn't suffice compared to less-gifted people who had to work hard from the beginning.

  172. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a talent for mathematics, recognised in my first five years of schooling. Top 10% of the country (or higher). I have a degree in an applied mathematics field, and I have been recognised as extremely intelligent.

    I am, however, unable to accomplish anything in mathematics or any other field.

    How does that fit in with your incomplete logic?

  173. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    Yeah? Tell that to a guy born with no legs. Which is, incidentally, my point.

    It's an unrelated point. People who are handicapped aren't under discussion here. We're talking about normal, non-damaged people.

    --
    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  174. Re:Just remember the golden rule of long term memo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, it's repepetitition.

  175. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    If you don't know the answer, knowing you don't know it is a time management strategy. Wasting time on a question you don't know, and can't deduce the answer to is poor time management. When you've answered every question to the best of your ability, there's no reason to continue to second-guess yourself (and in fact, it's been shown that your first impression is often more right than a second look).

  176. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exactly what I was going to say.

  177. Ever try Pranayama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am a bit like the op I can back to school after a five year break and I chose math of all disciplines. It was hard at first and then I discovered Pranayama. You should try it it really helps the mind and memory retention. I do Nadi shodhana and kumbhaka. It's honestly worked wonders for my memory. Also trataka helps a great deal. I don't have any studies to back it up though but my own testimony. It's free and relatively harmless. Taking Commutative Algebra and stochastic next year at cal so it's either my brain or the practice hehe.

    1. Re: Ever try Pranayama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Definitely not the teachers hahahaha

  178. Adderall or... by matbury · · Score: 1

    I've heard a lot of students talk about Adderall helping them to study. If all you have to do is memorise stuff, then why not? Also learning some simple memorisation techniques will help. Check out books by magicians and mentalists, they're the real pros at that kind of thing; there have been some recent studies by neuroscientists (Stephen L. Macknik and Susana Martinez Conde at Barrow Neurological Institute (BNI) in Phoenix, Arizona) and apparently they genuinely work.

    On the other hand, if all the course has to offer is a front-loaded information dump as an excuse for a curriculum (Do they make you sit through hour-long PPT presentations?), you may want to consider studying elsewhere if that's possible. It may be that your brain is rejecting it because it's too damn boring.

  179. Exercise is the key, young man. by badford · · Score: 2

    Young Man,

    There are 3 things you need to do to become an exceptional college student and I will not charge you a dime for this extremely valuable information. Let us begin:

    1. Begin a disciplined exercise regimen that consists of sustained aerobic activity every day. Cross-training is fine and even preferred. Run, bike, swim, walk, climb, engage in a bit of hanky-panky, etc. Read the book "Spark: The Revolutionary New Science of Exercise and the Brain" by John Ratey for inspiration. Sleep is a natural side-effect of vigorous exercise. Exercise is good for the brain.

    2. Learn MindMapping (The Buzan way) and begin to take notes in this fashion. Mindmaps use a basic ordering idea and radiate out from the center. It is an efficient and very effective way to capture important points. More importantly, it helps to instantly cull away non-essentials. MindMap the textbook. Mindmap the lecture.

    3. Cure your addictions. Whether it be nicotine, Alcohol or even processed sugar. Read Allen Carr's "EasyWay" to quit smoking/drinking/overeating. A 25 year old is resistant to the self inflicted poisons of youth (Beer, Cigs, etc) At 35, your body is spending a lot of it's precious energy dealing with toxicity and withdrawal. There is no morality play here. Simple Science. Alcohol, for instance, is a highly toxic poison. let that go. You will be much happier.

    This will make you stronger, smarter, sexier and wealthier and will probably make you live longer.

    Godspeed!

    --
    -badford
  180. Re: Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is certainly a handicap for some.

  181. Drugs didn't pan out eh? by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

    PROVIGIL (modafinil)....

    Right off hand I forget the name of the practice, but you make up sentences or stories using the "stuff" you need to know.

    From Clear Brook I ate - F, Cl, Br, I, At : 7th group of the periodic table

    My all time favorite; Some People don't F#@k - S, P, D, F : orbital paths of an electron

    I've remembered those since 10th grade.

    Later on in life I needed to know the steps taken in case of an emergency (Emergency Response Guides (ERG's)). Creating a sentence with the key steps was a life saver.

    Some stick with you others just for that test, in a real emergency the actions are known, so automatic (as were the emergency systems) but when taking a test you needed to know them step by step. Many used this memory guide.

  182. A hint I never caught on to.... by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

    I had a girl friend who was studying psychology, her approach was to answer the questions the way the instructor wanted them answered. That may seem obvious to many, but I'd answer them the way the instructor, books, and talks all combined to explained it; she answered exactly the way the instructor said it in class. She passed as valedictorian, so she was on to something.

  183. Memory problems by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had problems similar to what you are describing. What I didn't realize at the time was that I wasn't sleeping properly. I would stop breathing and it would wake me up enough to prevent getting to REM sleep but I had no idea it was happening. I was diagnosed with severe sleep apnea. Ask your doctor about getting a sleep study done. It saved my life.

  184. Focus on Taking Positive Steps by Kalium70 · · Score: 1

    First, try to tune out the negative, inflammatory comments. No good can come of dwelling on them. Second, I would suggest seeing a psychiatrist, especially given your statement about a prior sleep disorder. Nothing against general practitioners, but psychiatrists are more familiar with medications that might help. The psychiatrist should also be able to refer you to a professional (psychologist, social worker, licensed counselor) to work on the non-medical aspects of your situation.

    Regardless of where you decide to get help, explain to the person what you wrote in your original post. Bring notes about what you want to discuss at your appointment. The fact that you are having trouble completing the assignments and remembering the material, as well as having trouble on the tests is important to bring up. In contrast to your situation, some people do great on the assignments and can explain the material to other people very well, but they do not do well on the tests. (Yes, I know that most people say that they do not do well on tests, but I'm talking about situations where someone gets among the highest grades on the homework but scores in the middle or lower on tests.)

  185. a couple of techniques to remember things by itchybrain · · Score: 1

    Try these advices and I hope they will help you.

    Cognitive Limit

    TED Talk by Joshua Foer

    "A man's life is interesting primarily when he has failed - I well know. For it's a sign that he tried to surpass himself." - Georges Clemenceau

  186. The Genius of Einstein by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Albert once said "Never memorize what you can read out of a book!" The real genius of the statement is not immediately obvious perhaps. What you reference often in your daily work, will find its way into your long term memory by means of that frequent use - no need to try to 'force memorization'.

  187. Re:Studying art is not for me by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    Absolutely true, but the OP isn't a 12 year old who isn't quite getting his scales. He's in his 30s. That's not to say he can't pick up the memory and learning skills to compete in a university environment and ultimately in the job market, but he's clearly way behind his 18 and 19 year old competitors in these skills if he's not just doing poorly but outright failing classes.

    It's worth a long, hard look at your goals if there are several years of catch-up and then several more of study to get where you're going. Is graduating with a BS at 45 after 12-15 years of study worth the results? Only he can decide, but better to do so now before those years are gone.

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    Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
  188. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

    This depends greatly on whether you can skim tests. It works great on paper exams. Some computer-based exams don't allow you to do this.

    But it's still a useful skill to learn because it's applicable to time management in general. Do the easy things first (if you can--priorities matter in the real world) as it gets them off the list and can provide a sense of accomplishment, and then work on the more difficult items.

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    You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
  189. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by dwater · · Score: 1

    There are good reasons for using the time you have left to go back over questions you couldn't answer when you first looked.

    For a start, one *can* remember things by spending time trying to remember them...there are even techniques to 'jog your memory', like going through the alphabet when trying to remember a name.

    Also, your memory might be jogged by a question have answered since - or just plain answered out right. I've had tests in which an early question is answered in a later question. That was a Chinese language test, but I'm sure similar things apply to all tests, to one degree or another.

    Even just considering the number of times I've spotted mistakes I've made under the pressure of the beginning of the exam, when that pressure is removed by having finished.

    Leaving early is silly, imo. I suppose everyone is different... ...but, yes, if you've answered every question to the best of your ability, then there is obviously no point in going back...point is, how do you know?

    --
    Max.
  190. Provigil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Provigil if your insurance will cover it. Works wonders.

  191. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by nusuth · · Score: 1

    In the book Outliers, Malcolm Gladwell summarizes a series of research which seems to prove that while having enough intelligence for a particular task is a must to succeed in that task, having additional IQ makes next to no difference. This is true for at all levels of complexity of tasks (from winning a Nobel to keeping a daily job) inspected. Being a bright and otherwise nondescript person I am, I would love to see some research contradicting the claim. I suspect there is none.

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    Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room!

  192. Some tricks by deuist · · Score: 1

    The advice given by others (such as making sure you don't have an undiagnosed learning disorder) is useful. Here are some tricks I used in medical school:

    Creating songs about a subject: "The radius is connected to the ulna. The ulna is connected to the humerus..."
    Pretend to teach it to others.
    Repetition, and repeat, again, and then once more. I usually need to read something 5-6 times to have everything fully committed to memory.
    After class, immediately re-work the notes. Timeliness is key to clarifying information that you just learned.

    Also, you mentioned taking multiple classes at once. Could you drop down to 1-2 this semester to see how it works with a reduced work load? Your post is well-written and clearly explained; so you clearly know more than you're letting on.

  193. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    I've taken more tests than most. I may not be "normal" but I know what I know, so when I know I don't know any more, there's not much point in continuing, though that mostly applies to multiple choice tests.

  194. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by dwater · · Score: 1

    Well, that's fair enough, I suppose. You're very different to me, that's for sure.

    --
    Max.
  195. For study, or for studying? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    Ask Slashdot: How Can I Improve My Memory For Study?

    Have you donated your brain to science after you die, and this is the equivalent of putting on clean underpants in case you get run over?

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    systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
  196. Great site with a lot of material and references by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    www.supermemo.com

  197. Memmory and Stress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey

    Generally, the brain is unable to function at max capacity when stressed. I by that I not only mean from having to keep up with a thousand things in a day, but also dealing with things at an emotional level. If you have too many things to do in your daily and/or emotional life, this may be what is impacting your ability to memorize and concentrate.

    My advice would be to cut down on extra-curricular activities if possible, as having too many things on your head will only stress you out more. Zazen meditation for about 30 mins a day might also help you un-stress, and in turn improve your cognitive abilities.

    Another tip for studying: Make sure there is nothing around to distract you while you study. Turn off the TV/Internet and try to focus on your studies.

    Also instead of reading your material through, focus on your own understanding of it. I cannot stress this enough. It's not about reading and memorizing - it's about thoroughly understanding the subject. Do your studies as if you had to give a presentation on the subject you are reading. If you have the opportunity, explain the subject matter to someone - fx a spouse, friend or study-partner, and allow them to ask questions. This will expose any holes in your knowledge and can give you an idea on where to focus your studies next.

    Cheers

  198. Old people understand slower but deeper by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    New knowledge needs time to connect to everything you already know, but once it is acquired you have a better understanding than someone younger with a fresher mind who memorizes with ease. At least I like to believe that. There has to be an upside. And I just found this:

    As adults age, their performance on many psychometric tests changes systematically, a finding that is widely taken to reveal that cognitive information-processing capacities decline across adulthood. Contrary to this, we suggest that older adults’ changing performance reflects memory search demands, which escalate as experience grows. A series of simulations show how the performance patterns observed across adulthood emerge naturally in learning models as they acquire knowledge. The simulations correctly identify greater variation in the cognitive performance of older adults, and successfully predict that older adults will show greater sensitivity to fine-grained differences in the properties of test stimuli than younger adults. Our results indicate that older adults’ performance on cognitive tests reflects the predictable consequences of learning on information-processing, and not cognitive decline. We consider the implications of this for our scientific and cultural understanding of aging. -- Ramscar &al: The Myth of Cognitive Decline: Non-Linear Dynamics of Lifelong Learning (PDF) , via languagelog

    Next time it takes you double the time to learn something, consider yourself blessed!

  199. How Can I improve my study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most Universities have a Counseling Center that can help you diagnose any study or learning disabilities that might be getting in the way. They can also help you with study skills and test anxiety issues. I went through the same issues and learned some techniques that work for me to get past the test anxiety (mostly anyway). Check into that.

  200. memory as an art or skill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look for a book, The Art of Memory, Francis Yates. This is about ancient Roman and earlier methods and techniques to improve memory. Before there were electronic recording, before there were stenographers, there were people who could do what we would consider amazing memory feats. It's been a while since I read the book, but I think memory artists were used in courts of law to 'say back' the testimony word for word when need. That is one example. Today, those are other techniques are still around. Someone who is good at it can do 'amazing feats,' but still useful.

  201. Re:Unable to memorize times tables - a real proble by ruir · · Score: 1

    If it is politics, he is on the right place.

  202. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by Xacid · · Score: 1

    I would LOVE to be able to write exams on a computer. Never occurred to me to even ask for that as an option. I always just kind of assumed they'd tell me to shove it.

  203. Do drugs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It won't really help... ...but you won't care! /ducks

  204. Your Vocabulary Sure Isn't Suffering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just an observation ...

  205. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    That's why education fails. We spend so much time on "how to educate 'children'" we forget that there is no "children". Every child is unique, and applying one standard to all will "punish" any who don't think like the others. Though we try to fix that with segregation, but that only goes so far (gifted programs for the "top" 15% and special ed for the bottom 15%).

  206. Adderall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's what 80% of the student body was on when I was in college.

  207. Uninterested by Pandora's+Fairy · · Score: 1

    Well I see all sort of responses, but am missing a very important factor: motivation. If you, deep down, somehow feel uninterested, demotivated or disappointed about the study you are doing, you won't remember what you need to remember. Because deep down you want to call it quits.

  208. Adderall by Vrtigo1 · · Score: 1

    Adderall.

  209. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    People who can't handle multiplication are damaged, but within the range of normal.

    For them ROI of college will be limited. Best to keep debt under control if the only thing ones degree qualifies one for is fast food.

    --
    John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  210. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    Debt that cannot be discharged under bankruptcy will effectively suck years out of your life. Make sure you've got something besides 'memories you can't recall' for the money.

    That a kid doesn't belong in school now, doesn't mean they will never belong in school. If they've got debt from a first go round hanging on them it will be much harder.

    Put another way: There is nothing that will focus a kid on school like a couple of years of ditch digging.

    --
    John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  211. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    Multiple choice is different.

    Even if you don't know the answer, if you can eliminate one or more answers you will be able to guess with the statistical expectation that it will improve your score.

    Multiple guess test scores are typically (#of correct answers - (# of incorrect answers / (possible choices - 1))). e.g. if you can eliminate 2 choices of 5 from 15 questions you don't know the answer to and guess you will gain about 2-3 correct answers vs leaving them blank.

    --
    John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  212. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    I've been reading 'Amateur Doctor' magazine for decades. If that doesn't make me a physician, I don't know what will.

    I blame the AMA. They're the ones suppressing all sorts of good cures. Chinese mustard and Clorox bleach baths for radiation sickness for example.

    --
    John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  213. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by phantomfive · · Score: 2

    For them ROI of college will be limited.

    Unless they learn to multiply. Then the ROI of college will be multiplied.

    --
    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  214. Get checked for sleep apnea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A sleep apnea can disrupt deeper stages of sleep and leave you very stupid.

    Continuous Positive Airway Pressure machine was a big help for me. Then I lost weight and didn't need it any more.

  215. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by easyTree · · Score: 1

    I'm smarter than some people and dumber than others, and no amount of mental gymnastics is going to change that.

    Are you smart enough to explain what 'smart' means - coherently?

  216. Soapbox time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your situation is very specific and needs specific answers. But while I have some ears and eyes, the number one thing i've found for students to improve their studying is.... TO ACTUALLY STUDY. Sorry, but 20% increase in actually looking at the bloody coursework would solve 80% of the issue for your run-of-the-mill learner. Too-common conversation "So, Mr. B - what do we need to study?" "The stuff that I've been telling, showing, posting and discussing with you." "Oh. Where is that stuff?" "On the course site." "Oh. I don't really look at that." Not all, but a significant portion of students who are otherwise pretty savvy thinkers and are willing to discuss any number of pressing (i.e. popular) topics seem to foreswear actual effort on the stuff they must know will determine their grade > success > salary > fame. etc. I know the first response will be "maybe it's you" but this seems to be an issue across courses, instructors, etc. I'm beginning to think that in some situations, technology is perhaps making it worse. In the case of school tablets, we're handing "digital natives" a device they understand is for texting, socializing, gaming, flirting, sharing, etc. and saying "now go study with it!" - and the response for a non-trivial number of users is predictably poor.

  217. Spaced repetition by sergueyz · · Score: 1

    Take a look here: Spaced Repetition.

    In short, you have to measure the speed of the forgetting and repeat things at the moment that you almost forget them.

  218. Re:Don't go to college, it's clearly not for you by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

    OP should be praised for embarking on a serious quest for self-improvement.

    Yes ... but that doesn't necessarily mean that the course that he's chosen is likely to be the most effective one for his (hmmm, did TFQ specify a gender? Meh.) personal circumstances and abilities.

    [Some] people can and do get smarter.

    Not untrue ; but there is a corollary that other people can and do get less smart. There is no way that I can see to distinguish one case from the other from the information in TFQ. Hopefully it isn't the case, but from the information presented, there's no real way of knowing one way or the other. (There's also the trivial case of no (detectable) change, for completeness.)

    The OP really needs to get some professional advice from a specialist in the "psychology of learning", and/ or "careers". It is peculiar that he's going back to full time education in his thirties, which implies that he's made a significant amount of money at something during his young adult years. So why does he so strongly feel the need for college education? There's unwritten, but probably relevant background there.

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  219. Spaced Repitition Software by adambuckley · · Score: 1

    I used Mnemosyne to successfully memorise thousands of foreign words. You type in all the facts you need to memorise as individual "cards" which are in a question-and-answer format. You can also download "card packs" from their website for some popular topics. You then memorise cards by reading the question, guessing the answer and then awarding yourself a score out of 5. Mnemosyne uses fancy spaced repitition algorithms to detect how well you've memorised a card, and to calculate the optimal time to show you the same card again. You need to do sessions every day though otherwise it's not so effective. Over time the number of cards you do each day gets smaller and smaller.