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Irish Politician Calls For Crackdown On Open Source Internet Browsers

An anonymous reader writes "An Irish politician has called for tougher controls on the use of open source internet browsers. He said, 'An online black market is operating which protects the users’ anonymity and operates across borders through the use of open source internet browsers and payments systems which allow users to remain anonymous. This effectively operates as an online supermarket for illegal goods such as drugs, weapons and pornography, where it is extremely difficult to trace the identity of the buyers. We need a national and international response to clamp down on this illicit trade.' The politician added that the U.S. had 'taken action' to address this, but he seemed surprised that their solution was only 'temporary.'"

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  1. Shut up drinky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Posting as ac because I am both Irish and drunk, I forgot my password

    1. Re:Shut up drinky by viperidaenz · · Score: 4, Funny

      That was implied

      because I am both Irish...

    2. Re:Shut up drinky by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Funny
      If the rumors are true, and the Irish would rule the World if not for alcohol,

      well,

      I'll drink to that.

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      Ernest Hemingway

    3. Re:Shut up drinky by grcumb · · Score: 5, Funny

      A Fine Gael TD named Patrick
      Vied for the cluelessness hat trick:
      He blamed anonymity
      For people's affinity
      To gambling, drugs and well-stacked chicks.

      He represents Limerick, for Christ's sake. He had it coming.

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    4. Re:Shut up drinky by zugmeister · · Score: 4, Funny

      Your password is hunter2.

    5. Re:Shut up drinky by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      At what point does the brawl start?

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    6. Re:Shut up drinky by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ok. Here's one from an old issue of Playboy, back in the mid 1960s:

      There was a young maid from Madras
      Who had quite a magnificent ass.
      It wasn't pretty and pink as you probably think.
      It was grey, had long ears, and ate grass!

      Sorry Playboy, but this ditty has stuck with me for almost 50 years! :-)

    7. Re:Shut up drinky by Adriax · · Score: 5, Funny

      I believe you meant to say "At what pint does the brawl start?"

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    8. Re:Shut up drinky by Linzer · · Score: 5, Funny

      I believe you meant to say "At what pint does the brawl start?"

      Doesn't matter, it's pronounced the same in Ireland.

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  2. I think I speak for us all... by Kenja · · Score: 5, Funny

    I think I speak for all people who know much of anything about computers when I ask, "what?".

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    "Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
    1. Re:I think I speak for us all... by iYk6 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      He starts by condeming browsers and proxies that help people browse the internet anonymously. Then he jumps to saying that anonymous browsing leads to trading drugs, weapons, and pornography. Then he commends the USA NSA for spying on Americans but is concerned that now that they have been caught Americans might do something about it.

    2. Re:I think I speak for us all... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "He starts by condeming browsers and proxies that help people browse the internet anonymously. Then he jumps to saying that anonymous browsing leads to trading drugs, weapons, and pornography. Then he commends the USA NSA for spying on Americans but is concerned that now that they have been caught Americans might do something about it."

      Seems to me there was something else I heard about that was anonymous, and can be traded for all kinds of illegal things.

      Oh, yeah. I remember now: cash.

    3. Re:I think I speak for us all... by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 4, Funny

      Clearly IE, the popular closed source browser, ,is against anonymity. Who knows this for sure, the country with the code .ie - I feel dumb for not knowing earlier.

    4. Re:I think I speak for us all... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      You mean they haven't yet?

      See United States v. $124,700 in U.S. Currency.

    5. Re:I think I speak for us all... by hodet · · Score: 4, Funny

      Ya. Ow... The stupid, it burns!

    6. Re:I think I speak for us all... by NicBenjamin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I believe he's a non-techy abusing technical language he doesn't understand. He seems to be referring to the Silk Road, and it's replacement, with the words "open source browser." Silk Road is the only major source of illegal shit that's recently been shut down in the US, and it has (predictably) already been replaced. He also seems to be lumping various other initiatives (like TOR) with the same words.

      It seems like he's an Irish ted Stevens. Some staffer has explained these concepts to him well enough that he kinda gets them, but not well enough for him to remember the words everyone else uses.

    7. Re:I think I speak for us all... by Maxwell'sSilverLART · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're thinking of Ted Kennedy, and he didn't quite make it across the bridge.

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    8. Re:I think I speak for us all... by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A lot of people seem to think that while the credit card processors will charge retailers a fee for accepting cards, that somehow accepting cash is free...
      It's really not, there are all kinds of costs to a business that takes cash. The retailer requires change to give customers, and the banks charge them for supplying small change... You also need something like a safe to store the cash in, and you face the risk of that cash being stolen and are likely to pay higher insurance costs to cover that risk. Similarly you will probably need to get that cash to the bank, which for any sizeable amount will probably mean hiring a cash courier service to take it for you. Large amounts of cash also attract the attention of the tax authorities, as its very easy to simply pocket some of the cash and never declare it for tax purposes.

      All of these costs add up such that in many cases it's actually cheaper to take cards.

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  3. Not interesting by jbmartin6 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Call me when a bill to this effect has some chance of passing, otherwise I am not interested. There is no idea so dumb or ill-informed that there isn't going to be some politician, somewhere, proposing it. That doesn't mean anyone else in that legislature takes it seriously, possibly even the proposer isn't serious and is just mouthing off for political reasons. This just isn't worth anyone's time to read about.

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    1. Re:Not interesting by Jaywalk · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is no idea so dumb or ill-informed that there isn't going to be some politician, somewhere, proposing it

      True, and yet the exceptional examples need to be discussed in order for them to exposed to the hoots of derision and mockery which they so richly deserved. I doubt they will learn anything from it since their cranial capacity seems to be, thus far, impervious to analytical thought, but it makes the rest of us feel better.

      Let the mockery resume.

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  4. WTF by MrEricSir · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Seems like this rather confused politician is confusing Firefox with Tor. And I bet if he knew who was funding Tor, his head would explode.

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    There's no -1 for "I don't get it."
    1. Re:WTF by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Most people are not technically knowledgeable. I fear that things will keep getting more and more silly as the human race gets more and specialized. In the 1700s is was possible to be pretty knowledgeable about all the technology of the day. Today it just isn't. You can see an example of that here on slashdot when talking about spaceflight or battery technology and some idiot makes a reference to Moore's Law.

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  5. Tor Browser Bundle; Dogecoin is so cash by tepples · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are web browsers based on the work of the Firefox and Chromium open source projects that allow browsing a parallel web with enough anonymity that users feel safe using it to trade in prohibited weapons, prohibited drugs, and prohibited sexually explicit works. One of them is the Tor Browser Bundle. And I think the "payment system" part refers to Bitcoin and the other coins that vary in the exact proof-of-work problem, such as Namecoin (Bitcoin with a parallel DNS tacked on), Litecoin (Bitcoin with Tarsnap's Scrypt hash), and Dogecoin (very Litecoin, much meme, so cash, wow).

    1. Re:Tor Browser Bundle; Dogecoin is so cash by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm currently devoting nearly all of my hate to Doge. It might be the worst thing the internet has done in a long, long time.

      wow, no love, much sad

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      The correlation between ignorance of statistics and using "correlation is not causation" as an argument is close to 1.
  6. Good luck with that, King Canute by sandbagger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let us know how that works out.

    I agree with the people above, it sounds like he's confusing Tor and Firefox. For my part, I'm a member of an on-line community and am dealing with their 64-year-old admin who refuses to let anyone post live links in the discussion forum because "it's a security risk" and won't allow any images, or media. She's wondering why this little web community is dying.

    You sometimes need to keep old people away from the keyboard.

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    1. Re:Good luck with that, King Canute by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 5, Informative

      You sometimes need to keep old people away from the keyboard.

      Patrick O'Donovan, the politician in question, is 36 years old. My father is a 70-year-old web developer. Sure, in general younger people probably understand the internet better than older people, but there are so many exceptions to this in both directions that any generalization based on age is pretty well meaningless.

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      The correlation between ignorance of statistics and using "correlation is not causation" as an argument is close to 1.
    2. Re:Good luck with that, King Canute by hyades1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Old people? You need to open your eyes.

      When you run into one of those nasty little fascists who have no respect for civil rights and damned little compassion, you can pretty much bet it's a 20-something.

      And my buddy's 83-year-old father knows a hell of a lot more about computer hardware and software than most people I know aged 15 to 35. Among other things, he's digitized and sorted generations of photographs, sketches and Super-8 films. He's turned a selection of them into some really excellent movies, and he's set up a data base that's both flexible and easy to search covering families, family trees, friends, events and much more.

      If you want a security nightmare, let a teenager loose on the family computer. Clueless little shytes, for the most part.

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  7. This reminds me of when... by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This reminds me of when Senator Orin hatch wanted to develop technology to destroy peoples computers if they were caught downloading anything that was copyrighted.

    I actually witnessed this exchange live on C-SPAN.

    Excerpt from an article that's no longer up:

    "No one is interested in destroying anyone's computer," replied Randy Saaf of MediaDefender Inc., a secretive Los Angeles company that builds technology to deliberately download pirated material very slowly so other users can't.

    "I'm interested," Hatch interrupted. He said damaging someone's computer "may be the only way you can teach somebody about copyrights."

    The senator, a composer who earned $18,000 last year in song-writing royalties, acknowledged Congress would have to enact an exemption for copyright owners from liability for damaging computers. He endorsed technology that would twice warn a computer user about illegal online behavior, "then destroy their computer."

    "If we can find some way to do this without destroying their machines, we'd be interested in hearing about that," Hatch said. "If that's the only way, then I'm all for destroying their machines. If you have a few hundred thousand of those, I think people would realize" the seriousness of their actions.

    "There's no excuse for anyone violating copyright laws," Hatch said.

  8. Wait what? by wbr1 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Open access roads are used to transport drugs. Open access city streets can hold dealers and prostitutes. Public libraries have been used to read about revolution and bomb making and pot growing.The postal service has been used to facilitate illegal payments. Lets close them all DOWN.
    Pro tip, just because it is online, or open source, does not make human nature any different.

    Some people will beat their spouse or hire a hitman. Some people will be addicts. Some will sell to the addicts. Some will fondle their niece.

    Claiming some tool is enabling these behaviors and ignoring that tool's greater benefit greater benefit to society is either fear-mongering or blind unthinking fear (possibly instilled by other fear mongers). If the former, you are the worst kind of control hungry sociopath to use fear to restrict others. If the latter, you are a puppet and a simpleton. in either case, you do not deserve to be in any position of leadership.

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    Silence is a state of mime.
  9. Double Irish by tepples · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Internet Explorer and Safari are produced in Ireland for tax purposes.

  10. Re:Wow. by Baloroth · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Did we learn nothing from the USSR and the Iron Curtain?

    Yes. We learned how to do it better.

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    "None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license." --John Milton
  11. What more can one expect from total Assholes? by The_Other_Kelly · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just when you think that you have grown beyond caring, theses guys manage to poke beneath the shield and hit the "AAAAAARRRGGGHH" button !!
    I am sorry for taking this seriously, but after the Bank Bailouts, the corruption, the incompetency, the cover-ups and the sheer fuck-wittery of the past
    years, they attack OPEN SOURCE BROWSERS !!

    What more can one expect from politicians that:
    - kowtow-ed to the EU on the Maastricht Treaty re-Vote, (It puts the lotion in the basket, and votes again and again until the answer is YES)
    - sold 3 generations of their own people out, in the form of a bank bailout for *private* non-system critical banks,
    - have no concept of Justice whether social, civil or criminal
    - have no concept of public probity, of duty or what to be a servant of the people actually means
    - assume in blind arrogance that their own short-sighted, small-town, bigoted, religion-ridden, never questioned views are "NORMALITY"
        and those of everyone else, are simply illegal.

    In short. Olympic level Assholes.

    Winking and smiling and smirking, crapping out their "hokesy/folksy" catchphrases, with constant shit eating grins.

    Concepts such as free speech, right to privacy, equal treatment before the law, due process,
    womens' rights (especially reproductive rights), ... are considered amusing or just dismissed,
    out of hand, by these troglodytes.

    For example, the implicit assumption that *all pornography* is simply illegal!

    The US and Britain have blanket surveilled every Irish citizen for generations, and this cringing *lackey*
    assumes that *law enforcement* was the purpose.

    Call me harsh, but I interpret the failure of elected representatives to protect .the rights of their citizens,
    in the face of blatant intrusions, as more than incompetence, more than failure.
    It is treachery.

    Following the usual, endless cycle, whenever social unrest threatens, the Haves in Ireland,
    push the Have-nots to emigrate. Since, conveniently, the non-resident cannot vote, there
    was, is and will never be any pressure on the ruling elite to change any of their policies ... the opposition is simply disenfranchised.

    And nothing changes.

    I dream of another Ireland.
    A country where an informed electorate hold their elected leaders to account, demand the
    definition and enforcement of just laws which protect individual and public rights.
    A truly Free Ireland.

    Until then, I apologise to the world that we are represented by these fools and that
    you have to listen to their blather.

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    (R)ule in Hell or (S)erve in Heaven [R]?
  12. As wasted as that idiotic Irish luddite by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... and the fact that that idiotic Irish luddite can be elected as a politician says a lot about those who voted for him !!

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    1. Re:As wasted as that idiotic Irish luddite by Patent+Lover · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I thought only the U.S. produced these idiots. I'm slightly less embarrassed to be an U.S. citizen.

    2. Re:As wasted as that idiotic Irish luddite by 1s44c · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Democracy creates these idiots. The problem is that politicians are expected to have opinions on everything, yet it's impossible to know everything. These people end up making decisions on things they understand little or nothing about.

  13. Re:Hurray! by ls671 · · Score: 5, Funny

    What is that "Senior System Engineer/Architect" thing doing in a slashdot sig?

    Furthermore, your sig says: "Notice: If you post anonymously do not expect a reply" and you just replied to an anon!

    You seem to have problems following basic algorithms which is questionable for a " Senior System Engineer/Architect".

    Take care nevertheless man ;-)
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  14. W3C + HTML5 + DRM by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'll tell you what this is all about:

    http://boingboing.net/2013/10/11/w3cs-drm-for-html5-sets-the.html

    Soon, all compliant browsers will have to be opaque, in order to have DRM that will protect Netflix and other streaming services. Independent browsers will disappear. Open source browsers will be a big hole in the plan to completely lock down the internet once and for all and cannot be allowed to exist. Irish politicians have learned their globalization lessons well and know on which side their bread is buttered. He may not be the most eloquent advocate, but he knows what the agenda is.

    We are very close to the end of the internet as we know it. I've long said that the internet is turning into cable television. Now the transformation is almost complete.

    http://mostlysignssomeportents.tumblr.com/post/72759474218/we-are-huxleying-ourselves-into-the-full-orwell

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