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How To Make 96,000lbs of WWII Machinery Into High-Tech Research Platform

coondoggie writes "The US Naval Research Laboratory is taking a 96,000-pound piece of World War II-era machinery and turning it into a test-bed for leading edge communications and radar applications. The equipment was originally known as a three-axis tilting platform designed to simulate the movements of a large ship at sea. It was built by Westinghouse in 1943 as a gun platform requiring only primitive motion in roll, pitch and yaw, according to the Navy Lab. Specifically it was used as a mechanically operated deck with a heavy machine gun director and a machine gun mount installed. Gun crews and director operators could be trained on the platform under conditions that approximated the movements of a vessel at sea."

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  1. I'll bet... by Cornwallis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In 1943 it probably cost a few hundred thousand $ to build - if that.

    Today's "updates" will cost $4.3 billion, be obsolete 6 months before completed, take 6 years, be the subject of multiple disciplinary hearings, congressional investigations and DOJ corruption probes, won't work, then ultimately will be outsourced to China for completion prior to being abandoned for a new technology.

    1. Re:I'll bet... by symes · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well hello there you little ray of sunshine

    2. Re:I'll bet... by SpzToid · · Score: 2

      Now that's sarcasm. Speaking on behalf of the internet, this time I think we've nailed it.

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    3. Re:I'll bet... by TWX · · Score: 3, Funny

      We were still using predominately virgin steel in the '40s, so the costs for this material by weight was probably not significantly different than for other forms of steel from the manufacturer. As the raw steel smelter was selling right to the government or to the durable-goods manufacturer, whatever their price was, should be fairly close.

      Or in other words, whoever smelt it, dealt it...

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    4. Re:I'll bet... by supercrisp · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Clearly the parent hasn't read much history. Military over-expenditures and boondoggles go way, way back. Hell, I was just reading about similar problems in the 14th century.

  2. Jodrell Bank by Molt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This type of reuse of ex-military kit quite often happens, although not normally so long after it was originally used. I'm not sure if it's still running on the same engines but I know that the Lovell Radio Telescope at Jodrell Bank (UK), at one time the largest movable dish telescope, originally had a lot of parts cannibalised from engines taken from two battleships. Lovell, the maker of the telescope, had also previously been using quite a lot of reclaimed military kit for his astronomical observations before the actual radio telescope was built.

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    1. Re:Jodrell Bank by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This type of reuse of ex-military kit quite often happens, although not normally so long after it was originally used. I'm not sure if it's still running on the same engines but I know that the Lovell Radio Telescope at Jodrell Bank (UK), at one time the largest movable dish telescope, originally had a lot of parts cannibalised from engines taken from two battleships. Lovell, the maker of the telescope, had also previously been using quite a lot of reclaimed military kit for his astronomical observations before the actual radio telescope was built.

      After WWII German Würzburg 'Riese' GCI radar antennas were repurposed for radio astronomy. Some of them remained in use at least into the 1980s. I wonder if any are still in use?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Würzburg_radar
      http://www.astron.nl/~leeuwen/video/dloo/JAHH9p3.pdf

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    2. Re:Jodrell Bank by AlecC · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not engine parts - the main bearings that carry the dish are gun turret bearings from battleships. Since they are so central to the structure, I doubt they have been replaced.

      I like their pigeon prevention mechanisms as well - two nests of peregrine falcons, one in each support.

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    3. Re:Jodrell Bank by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2

      The hypoxia research lab where I work has a USAF hypobaric chamber dating back to the early 1950s, still perfectly functional. So not quite that old, but pretty impressive when you think about it.

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    4. Re:Jodrell Bank by cusco · · Score: 2

      There is a little old observatory on the grounds of the University of Washington, built in the 1890s when the U was still well out of town. The bearings for the dome (which is small enough to be moved by hand) are Civil War surplus iron cannon balls.

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  3. WW2 machiny and WW2 units of measurement by Viol8 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Isn't it about time a technical site such as slashdot started using metric units , eg kilos? You know, for the rest of the world outside the USA who has no clue what the hell 96,000 lbs means? Even in the UK hardly anyone under the age of 60 uses lbs as a measurement any more.

    1. Re:WW2 machiny and WW2 units of measurement by Sockatume · · Score: 5, Funny

      You need to use measurements people have an intuitive grasp of. Nobody in the US knows how much a kilo "feels like" but 96,000 lb is a readily comprehensible number.

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    2. Re:WW2 machiny and WW2 units of measurement by SpzToid · · Score: 2

      Assuming the rest of the world has access to something like Google, one might do a simple conversion with a search term as follows:

      96,000 lbs = kilos

      Here's a working example:

      http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=96%2C000+lbs+%3D+kilos

      I know this isn't a perfect solution, but I'm used to converting foreign texts in a similar fashion. This works for me in edge cases like this, however YMMV.

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    3. Re:WW2 machiny and WW2 units of measurement by DrXym · · Score: 2

      I very much doubt you know what 96,000lb "feels like" either.

    4. Re:WW2 machiny and WW2 units of measurement by mhajicek · · Score: 2

      As far as "feels like" I think he's right. 10,000 pounds and 100,000 pounds feel the same; they both instantly crush the observer.

    5. Re:WW2 machiny and WW2 units of measurement by dfenstrate · · Score: 2

      Isn't it about time a technical site such as slashdot started using metric units , eg kilos? You know, for the rest of the world outside the USA who has no clue what the hell 96,000 lbs means? Even in the UK hardly anyone under the age of 60 uses lbs as a measurement any more.

      Explain 'Stones"

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    6. Re:WW2 machiny and WW2 units of measurement by bluegutang · · Score: 2

      96,000 lbs is the weight of 300 Americans. Seems pretty intuitive.

  4. What you're forgetting, though... by swb · · Score: 2

    ...is that yacht builder Sea Ray and several Mercedes Benz dealers will see a significant boost in revenue.

  5. come again? by tommeke100 · · Score: 2

    So it was used back then as a platform to simulate movement at sea, and that's exactly what they are going to use it for now (after a few upgrades).
    The F-16 jets were created in the 70s and are still upgraded to this day. I don't see how this is that different.

  6. Bitch, bitch, bitch by Dr.+Zim · · Score: 2, Funny

    I'm one of those Americans that HAS traveled abroad and I cordially invite you to create your own *technical* site with whatever units of measurement you see fit. The fact that you're even able to complain about this 'problem' is due to DARPA. You know them, they're the US agency responsible for the development of the internet.

    Everyone wants to bitch about our units of measurement, but nobody seems to have any trouble accepting our units of currency.

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  7. The payload is not much by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2

    Works out to some 42000 Kg. But the picture shows the platform was getting its three degrees of freedom by very heavy gimbals. Though the whole apparatus is very heavy but the payload is not likely to more than any modern aircraft simulation platforms. Modern designs would use six hydraulic jacks and electronics to get not just three rotational degrees of freedom, but also limited degrees of freedom in translation. So wondering why someone would go through the trouble of rescuing that relic. The inertia of the gimbals is so high compared to the payload, upgrading the motors and electronics is going to be so expensive, it is probably cheaper to build a platform of similar capability using modern technology.

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    1. Re:The payload is not much by onepoint · · Score: 3, Interesting

      While what your saying is correct, I think it's more for the ability to handle weight. ...
      while the platform is about 42MT ( 96,000 lbs in case someone needs that )
      the original machine gun turret has a low weight of about 80MT ( the Yamato's were in excess of 2200MT )

      so I'm thinking it's for that ability.

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  8. In the future by Dareth · · Score: 2, Funny

    They should print US currency on soft rolls of paper. Then people can't say it isn't worth a crap!

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  9. Re:Blow up doll. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    On the days it isn't wet and/or blowing then the simulator might be needed.