RNC Calls For Halt To Unconstitutional Surveillance

Bob9113 writes "According to an article on Ars Technica, the Republican National Committee (RNC) has passed a resolution that "encourages Republican lawmakers to immediately take action to halt current unconstitutional surveillance programs and provide a full public accounting of the NSA's data collection programs." The resolution, according to Time, was approved by an overwhelming majority voice vote at the Republican National Committee's Winter Meeting General Session, going on this week in Washington, DC."

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even a broken clock...

[TheNastyInThePasty]

Hey, when you oppose everything the president does, it's gotta work in our favor sometimes!

Re:even a broken clock...

[ganjadude]

What a lot of people seem to be missing is that the GOP is in the middle of a transformation. I will not get into whether or not it is good or bad for the country or the party but the establishment republicans, those like romney or mccain are being pushed aside by more libertarian bent candidates. The These new republicans, at least from what I can see, are the ones who are against the NSA and big government, something bush 2 and mccain are for.

In another 10 years as more of the traditional GOP retires or is voted out, hopefully they get repaced by more libertarian leaning candidates, or even better the libertarian party will become one of the big 2.... (i can dream)

Re:even a broken clock...

[causality]

It also means that they actually have to live with being free, which carries with it some risks. Unacceptable! I demand the government violate everyone's rights and privacy to stop the terrorists!

Considering that I'm more likely to be struck by lightning than die in a terrorist attack, I think I'm willing to take my chances. I also believe that we're less likely to encounter people so desperate to hurt us if we stop manipulating other nations and attacking them for such flimsy reasons. A return to loving freedom would mean no longer trying to tell each other how to live -- this is also the way we should respect the sovereignty of other nations.

I'll tell you what else is much more likely than dying in a terrorist attack: being killed by your own government.

Re:even a broken clock...

[rogoshen1]

It would be nice if the GOP returned to something more like Goldwater Republicanism. A couple quotes:

"Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the [Republican] party, and they're sure trying to do so, it's going to be a terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are acting in the name of God, so they can't and won't compromise. I know, I've tried to deal with them."

Those who seek absolute power, even though they seek it to do what they regard as good, are simply demanding the right to enforce their own version of heaven on earth. And let me remind you, they are the very ones who always create the most hellish tyrannies. Absolute power does corrupt, and those who seek it must be suspect and must be opposed. Their mistaken course stems from false notions of equality, ladies and gentlemen. Equality, rightly understood, as our founding fathers understood it, leads to liberty and to the emancipation of creative differences. Wrongly understood, as it has been so tragically in our time, it leads first to conformity and then to despotism.

Re:even a broken clock...

[strstr]

You know that all elections are rigged by the military and they vote in and advertise the canidates that they choose for election, and the public is manipulated into electing them, so nobody is actually representing us?

The issue is not specific to republican or democrat. I want to see us vote out every democrat, republican, and vote in all new people regardless of party, but who have no association with the current system. The problem is not democrat or republican, its the people we have elected and who are in power.

There exists a way they can control society, a system called TAMI, or "Thought Amplifying and Mind Interface" which the military deployed in 1976 in all radar systems. It lets them long range spy on people, spying on their thoughts and memories so the government could control and manipulate people. The military and higher ups has used this system to screen out moles, and people who are against the militaries interests. Everyone chosen for election (Senate, Congressman, President, etc) is passed through their screens and given power only if the military lets them, and people who try to get in who aren't approved get sabotaged in the public eye and/or financially. Nobody is seriously going to fight the government amongst their ranks, and nearly everyone who's elected is benefiting from this and maintaining power through it. It is all rigged. Look up Dr. Robert Duncan's books, .. he's a DOD /CIA /US DOJ scientist who helped develop most of this. His free book is The Matrix Deciphered. Details on their system also found here:

http://www.oregonstatehospital...

Democracy was officially ended in 1976, in the name of national security (anything that could expose the governments misconduct is a violation of national security, because it threatens to end their control over us, and it may result in mass crimimal convictions if they were subject to the laws everyone else were subject to.).

Re:even a broken clock...

[LynnwoodRooster]

Social Security is running cash-flow negative, meaning it is spending reserves rather than living on current cash flow. And whilst, on paper, that looks like it doesn't add to the overall Federal deficit, those reserves are simply bonds from the Federal Government which must be redeemed out of current Federal revenues. And those Federal revenues are from a deficit plan.

Saying SS isn't adding to the deficit is like saying your department in a company that is losing money isn't adding to the loss because you're still under budget - even if the products your department builds don't cover your budgeted costs.

Re:even a broken clock...

[Goody]

I've always been puzzled when people say what the "Founders intended". The Founders lived in a time when it took days to get from one populated area to another, on horseback. They were wealthy land owners upset with being pushed around by a monarchy thousands of miles away. They did a fine job in creating a new country, but they created it for the times they were in and the technology they had. There's nothing sacred about the laws or structure they enacted. Undoubtedly some of the motivation behind a structure with states having power was due to the realities of a sparsely populated country and frontier, and recent bad experiences with a monarchy. There's certainly nothing magical about state and local government. Both can be just as wasteful and abusive as federal government, especially, as we've seen, when it comes to personal liberties and civil rights.

Re: even a broken clock...

[Goody]

They believe in gay rights and legalizing pot and lower taxes and small govt and no surveillance or drone attacks. What's not to love?

If they would stop there, it would be great. It's when they get into the libertarian utopia stuff where there are no regulations and corporations can do no wrong is that things go off the rails rather quickly.

Re: even a broken clock...

[cmdr_tofu]

I for one feel like the Federal Government benefit me by me being able to vote and eat in formerly "whites only" restaurants without being beaten due to Jim Crow. Also I went to public schools received financial aid, have driven on and received goods that travelled along interstate highways, did not get assaulted and robbed by old people because they have social security to keep them out of desperate poverty. O yeah I didn't get poisoned from food I bought at the grocery store because FDA said it was illegal to sell. I didn't get cancer because my drinking water was poisoned thanks to EPA regulations.
I've taken trains, realized the moon was not impossible, used the Internet, benefitted from countless federally funded research projects.

Honestly saying that very little of the money the federal government spends benefits most people (presumably citizens of the US) is utterly ludicrous.

Re:Nobody....

[rmdingler]

Governor Perry of Texas was in the news this week backing the State's Rights side of Colorado's marijuana legalization,

but I suspect the homosexual angle will be solely Democrat for some time to come because of the religious objections.

The anti-surveillance stance reminds me of the rally against deficit spending by whichever Party is presently out of power.

The roles in our two-trick pony show are amusingly interchangeable.

The law of unintended consequences

[XxtraLarGe]

These guys never take into consideration that you should never grant yourself any powers you wouldn't want your enemies to have...

Re:The law of unintended consequences

[HiThere]

What you miss is that the Republicans and the Democrats are only pretend enemies. They are actually allies. So their "enemy" getting the power they asked for isn't something that bothers them.

Re:They now have proof that it can be abused

[causality]

It's all about the targets.

Republicans never thought the targets would be other American citizens.

Obama has proven them wrong.

Yes, for some reason there are still large numbers of people who need proof that something which happened every single other time (power being abused) is, in fact, going to happen again this time if you start with the same conditions.

I generally call these people "idiots", but you may prefer such terms as "numbnuts", "morons", "imbeciles", etc.

Re:Oh, the irony

[Anonymous Coward]

Sort of. The Patriot Act is simply too large to have been drafted in the timeframe allotted, so we can start with the obvious truth that whoever really wrote it had it on the shelf awaiting an opportunity. That is chilling, and under-reported, enough.

It's also worth noting that the two people in Congress who were capable of stopping it were exactly the ones targeted by the anthrax attacks--attacks which have never been solved. Isn't that convenient? Well, it certainly was if you were the Bush Administration anyway...

Congress voted overwhelmingly in favor of this unconstitutional law because the far right corporate media drumbeat was going to brand them as unpatriotic or worse if they even wanted to figure out what they were voting on. But hey, it was OK, because they were only going to violate the Constitution for a little while, right? Except that it keeps getting renewed, and renewed, and renewed even though it is very highly obvious that terrorism as an actual threat to the US is completely overblown.

Time to end this idiotic war on the American people, end the TSA, end the wholesale harassment of absolutely everybody at the borders, and stop spying on everybody's Internet and banking activities.

Re:Oh, the data!

[anagama]

Greens are interesting too ... essentially libertarians with a greater willingness to ensure a social safety net and protect the commons (environment) from being abused by a few who profit at everyone else's expense.

Honestly though, I'd vote for either. The DNC and GOP are so corrupted by and enslaved to their donors, I'd be happy to see anyone kick their collective elephantine asses.