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$499 3-D Printer Drew Plenty of Attention at CES (Video)

3-D printing is far from new, but a $499 3-D printer is new enough to get a bunch of people to write about it, including someone whose headline read, CES 2014: Could 3D printing change the world? XYZPrinting, the company behind the da Vinci 1.0 printer, has some happy-looking executives in the wake of CES. They won an award, and their booth got lots of attention. This is what trade shows are all about for small and/or new companies. Now the XYZprinting people can go home and pump out some product -- assuming they got a lot of orders (and not just attention) at CES.

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  1. Yeah yeah by NaughtyNimitz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But what will the cartridges cost? And will they 'expire' each time I unwrap and insert one?

    ("Nudge nudge, wink wink HP?")

    1. Re:Yeah yeah by mark-t · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Inkjet cartridges expire so quickly after being opened because they contain ink... which is wet, and evaporates, leaving dry residue in the compartment which cannot be used.

      You will save money in the long run in printing costs if you just buy a laser printer, because toner is dry, and does not evaporate from the container. The cartridges are more expensive, but you will buy them so much less frequently that you will actually save a lot of money in the end.

    2. Re:Yeah yeah by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Same thoughts about why I don't own a color printer at home. I got a cheap ($55) black and white laser a couple years back, and I couldn't be happier. The toner is cheap (relatively), and I don't have to worry about the ink drying up, or print heads clogging before I've even had a chance to use up all the ink. I very seldom if ever need color printing, and when I do it's cheaper and easier to head over to the photo printer (Walmart) or print shop (UPS Store) when I actually need color prints. 3D printers have the opportunity to really change things, but only if I can obtain plastic for really cheap, preferably by recycling plastic from products I've already bought.

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    3. Re:Yeah yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      According to their site, each cartridge costs $28 for 600g of ABS plastic, available in 12 colors.

    4. Re:Yeah yeah by mark-t · · Score: 2

      As you rightly point out... many CFL's don't actually last as long as they purport, so they can end up being more expensive than incandescents.

      Toner, however, really doesn't ever evaporate. Ink does.. leaving behind an unusable residue in the inkjet cartridge's compartment that will require replacing long before you've actually exhausted the raw material you originally purchased unless you are printing in high enough volume that evaporation is not an issue.

      But if you are printing in that high volume, then laser is *STILL* the preferred choice, because just comparing cost of cartridges and dividing by the number of pages you can optimally produce per cartridge, toner still ends up being less than a quarter of the cost of using ink.

    5. Re:Yeah yeah by GameMaster · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ink cartridges that expire each time you unwrap them? Where are you from, the '90's? Welcome to the future my friend, today we have ink cartridges that expire while sitting, un-opened, on the shelf.

      I'm not really joking, we have an HP plotter where I work that does exactly this. When they went to replace the ink cartridge, they found that the entire stock of back-up cartridges had already "expired" according to a pre-set date built into a chip in the cartridge. Thankfully, HP was nice enough to provide a setting hidden away in the firmware that lets you over-ride that check. My guess is that they think the pro-market might not be willing to put up with their crap if they pushed it that far.

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  2. Why is it so cheap? by Predanuke · · Score: 5, Informative

    Because it doesn't use the standard filament. http://www.xyzprinting.com/en/... You have to buy the 'ink' from them.

    1. Re:Why is it so cheap? by Kenja · · Score: 3, Insightful

      By comparison, their filament is around three times as expensive as others (more if you just get bulk rolls) at ~$46.67/kg.

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    2. Re:Why is it so cheap? by PRMan · · Score: 2
      From their website:

      The da Vinci 1.0 will also notify you when the filament is running low so you don’t run out.

      I'm sure it will...

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    3. Re:Why is it so cheap? by wramsdel · · Score: 2

      I was at CES, and I specifically asked to see one of the filament cartridges. Assuming the ones on the show floor are the same design that will ship with the printer, there are no electrical contacts on the cartridge, so likely no "chip" as is the case with ink cartridges. It looked to me like it would be fairly straightforward to reload one of the cartridges with commodity filament.

  3. "So you buy the filaments from us...." by macraig · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Proprietary consumables? Seriously? When are we gonna get past this crap? Ever?

    1. Re:"So you buy the filaments from us...." by jythie · · Score: 2

      Well, it is a viable business model. We have not gotten away from it because it tends to work.

      People complain about proprietary consumables when it comes to printers, yet people keep buying the ones that use them. Printers exist that are pretty favorable to 3rd party refills, but they are more expensive so people tend not to buy them.

      You can have low initial cost + higher recurring cost, or high initial cost + low recurring cost. There is enough consumer demand for both models that options exist, but just because both exist does not mean we can easily mix and match, not if we want the company to keep building then devices.

  4. Not one link to the company in summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nice going, "editor". You managed not to provide a single direct link to the company that makes the product you're talking about.

  5. Why are 3D printers so exciting? by MobyDisk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From the latimes article:

    Even though 3D printing is all the rage at the Consumer Electronics Show, many people outside the industry are still puzzled by all the fuss. "Explain 3D printers to me. Why are they useful?" one non-techie friend of mine tweeted me this week, after I posted a picture of a 3D printer at the show.

    The show is called the *consumer* electronics show, not the *producer* electronics show. Most people are not makers, so they won't be excited about a technology that lets them make something. Even if people want something, a 3D printer requires that you know how to design that item.

    When someone invents a 3D designer, where you can say "Build me a thing that..." then you might get the consumers excited.

    1. Re:Why are 3D printers so exciting? by macraig · · Score: 2

      You've never heard of 3D scanners, I guess? Or open-sourced downloadable 3D files?

    2. Re:Why are 3D printers so exciting? by jythie · · Score: 2

      There is a lot of middle ground though. Go into any DIY home improvement center and there will be a wide range of tools available for consumers to support any number of wood or metal projects. Some machines (like a CNC or vacuform frames) end up being outside what the average DIY consumer will utilize, but many others (drill press, table saw, etc) have found their way into many non-producers homes and projects. It is still pretty early to guess which way these plastic fabricators will go.

    3. Re:Why are 3D printers so exciting? by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 3, Funny

      The killer application of 3d printers will be to print a new back to the battery compartment in remote controls

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    4. Re:Why are 3D printers so exciting? by Laxori666 · · Score: 2

      Also, utensils. I don't want to have to go all the way to the fucking kitchen when I get delivery, sit at my desk, and realized they didn't include the fucking fork and knife.

    5. Re:Why are 3D printers so exciting? by tahuti · · Score: 2

      I would say 3D printers are at the stage where "micro" computers were in early 80's, yes there were big expensive real computers and almost a toy for home use that you often needed to assemble by yourself. Did majority need computer then, no; today, well who doesn't have smartphone.

    6. Re:Why are 3D printers so exciting? by Laxori666 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I can wait, I just don't want to have to move.

  6. Re:Pass by x0ra · · Score: 2

    just wait 6 month and the file format will be reversed engineered, same for the software.

  7. Re:3dnewsen article - auto translated? by devjoe · · Score: 5, Informative

    Specifically, it appears to be a translation-and-back-again of the LA Times article which is the first link in the article, or an automated synonym-substitution (trying to avoid being detected as copyright violation for reposting stories in full, perhaps, though strangely they link to the original article at the bottom). The other articles on their site (see Latest USA News sidebar on the right) appear to have undergone the same process.

  8. Shoes? by jklovanc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the future, users may be able to print shoes that are tailored to the exact size of their feet, among many possibilities.

    Have they looked at the different materials that go into shoes these days? The different parts need to have different qualities. The sole needs to be grippy. The uppers need to be flexible and porous. The insole needs to be cushioning yet supportive. This is done today by using many different materials. Sorry but materials that come out of thermal printers don't have all those qualities and generally don't hold up under the stress shoe are put through. Let's try to be realistic about what this technology can do.

  9. Why? by fiordhraoi · · Score: 2

    Something that accepts .STL format (which most CAD type programs let you output now) and G Code (pretty much the standard for CNC machines) as well as their own XYZ format is hardly locked into "proprietary formats." Do you have to use their software? To do the actual printing, sure. But it looks like you can do the design in a number of other tools as well, as long as you can output the aforementioned .STL or G Code. Buying filament from them? Sure, possibly a pain. But then, for the vast majority of printers nowadays, you "have to" buy the ink cartridge from the company. And since it's in a cartridge, it's presumably easier to load - one of the most common complaints I've seen for products like Makerbot is that loading the filament is tricky and you often have to fiddle and do numerous test prints to get it right. Is that solution going to be best for a high-volume printer? Absolutely not. For a hobbyist who wants to print maybe a dozen things every few months? Should be fine.

  10. I looked at it @ CES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The overall construction was in line with a cheap 2D printer. The rails where thin, the structure in general seemed to be flimsy in comparison to the other 3D printers that were there. The proprietary print medium and the cheap-ish construction were enough to put me off and I was ready and willing to buy.

  11. Re:3-D printing. Pffft! by kirkb · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Due to miscalibration of the 4th axis, your object was printed 255 years ago."

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  12. Re:Pass by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

    just wait 6 month and the file format will be reversed engineered, same for the software.

    According to their website the printer will accept STL files, which is an open, well documented, and widely supported industry standard format. Nearly any CAD software, including nearly all FOSS CAD programs, will export STL, in either compressed binary, or human readable ascii text.

  13. Re:3-D printing. Pffft! by sinij · · Score: 3, Funny

    No, not again. I... why does it say time jam when there is no time jam? I swear to God, one of these days, I just kick this piece of shit out the window.

  14. Nobody seems to know what to do with a 3D printer by hyperfine+transition · · Score: 2

    From the article "Gary Shu, XYZprinting's market development division senior manager, said the 3D printer can quickly create objects that users may need in their homes, such as a plastic cup or a plastic spoon.". I hope he comes up with a few better ideas than that.

    Actually, a 3D printer would be useful to me for hobby projects like cosplay props, although probably a bit expensive. But around the house ? I look around for things completely made out of plastic that it would be practical to print if they broke or I needed another one but it's a struggle.

    I suppose what all of these 3D printer manufacturers want to convince themselves and their investors is that there is a mass market for their product. The cheap printers still look very much like a hobbyist tool to me though.

  15. Re:3-D printing. Pffft! by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Funny

    PC LOAD CHRONOTONS? What the fuck does that mean?

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  16. Ouch by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 2

    Aren't market development senior managers supposed to be kind of visionary....or able to fake it? Cups and spoons? Really?

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  17. People are Makers by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Most people are not makers

    I challenge that assertion.

    Just look at the size of the scrapbooking industry, or hobby stores in general.

    Or cooking classes and cookbooks.

    Most people ARE makers. Most people like creating things. There's no reason to think that devices that can produce small useful things for a myriad of hobbies will not be accepted by a huge range of people.

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