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Rome Police Use Twitter To Battle Illegal Parking
cartechboy writes "Illegal parking has always been a major problem in Rome. More than half of Rome's 2.7 million residents use private vehicles, and the ancient city has a staggering ratio of 70 cars per 100 residents. So many residents park, uh, creatively. But now authorities think they've found a way to fight bad parking using social media. Basically, they've asked residents to post photos of bad parking jobs to Twitter. In December, the Italian cops began encouraging smart phone users to snap pics of illegally parked cars and tweet those photos to the department's Twitter account. The new system, which was created by Raffaele Clemente, Rome's chief of traffic police, seems to be working. In the first 30 days, police received more than 1,000 complaints tweeted to their account; (one example is here). Officials were able to respond to around 740 and hand out citations."
Hey, 'your car is being towed' is trending!
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Basically, they've asked residents to post photos of bad parking jobs to Twitter.
Why not just use the non-emergency number that most police agencies have to report a parking infraction? This just puts millions of license plates at risk of being put online for the purpose of reporting a person's supposedly bad parking.
Better education, less regulation and all that...
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What irks me is the lack of town planning for cars in European cities then the incompetent authorities act like it is all the citizens fault. I get that they have ancient medieval town centers that are almost impossible to modify - but that is no excuse for not providing adequate amounts of free to almost free just out-of-town parking and efficient cheap public transport into the centers (efficient does not mean it has to be profitable in the direct sense).
Singapore for example with so little space has pioneered high rise cheap parking for all out in the suburbs and electronic pay to enter town centers that really increased the quality of life in the inner city, or so I hear.
Don't get me started on the last century traffic lights on timers and no trigger sensors of any kind in sight even at the pedestrian crossings. Christmas lights I like to call them. The amount of petrol they must waste stopping scores of cars for no reason must be mind-boggling.
So when I park my Fiat in a parking fountain, should I send a dozen tweets sending the cops to the opposite side of the city? "The solution is dilution".
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Indianapolis has a staggering ratio of probably 150 cars per 100 residents.
To put those numbers into perspective: In 2011, 2.5 million traffic citations were filed in Rome, about 45% of those have been paid. In 2012 the number of citations dropped to 2.2 million of which 39% have been paid. (source)
One word.
Photoshop.
2.7 million residents, 1.9 million private vehicles and they got about 30 complaints per day? In the world of social media, that's a pretty big failure.
I don't find that staggering. What I do find staggering is that the seems to be a ratio of about 70 cars per every parking space. Rome is a place where triple parking is pretty much routine.
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I see them on the sidewalks everywhere in Italy. And not just one. It's as if the sidewalk and cars were a jigsaw puzzle, and however a car can fit, it goes in. Thank god for twitter in Italy. If only twits where around when I was there: 1945. Or maybe later. I forget now.
And come to Tel Aviv. It's even more 3rd world here in regards to parking. Yet the cops are on top of it. But they wont touch luxury cars. Only average cars. How's that for a caste system /embarrassed
Did this program improve the parking situation in Rome? Doubt it. I'll go out on a limb and guess that it has yielding a tiny bit of revenue that disappears into the noise of what they already collect. But this is Rome, so why not a bit of tech circus for the masses?
The future of politics will rely on this kind of "user-generated content", like wikipedia, only in real life and everywhere
Italy is notorious for its culture of tax evasion and insane driving.
In a country where almost no one pays their taxes (rendering it unenforceable) why pay fines too?
Just open up for private companies to tow illegally parked cars and make money (huge fees) from the towing and storage of the vehicles. With hundreds of such companies hunting for illegally parked cars and thus money, the streets will be clear in no time, and all the parking assholes will have learned an expensive lesson. To prevent abuse all towing must be documented using photos showing the parking offense, a copy of which are sent to the offender.
"For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple, neat, and wrong." -- H.L. Mencken (1880-1956) --
The new system, which was created by Raffaele Clemente, Rome's chief of traffic police, seems to be working.
I would argue if it were working then they wouldn't be getting many such tweets. Perfaps you forget aim is not to give more itations but fewer illegal parkings. All we can say is it might work.
...is the future.
It's more just: No observers of an infraction, no problem, regardless of the letter of the law.
I'd just add a reputation based moderation system to supress malice.
First of all, I don't think Italy have anyone seeking asylum in Russia at the moment, to avoid "enhanced interrogation" and potentially the death penalty. So much for the scary socialist state, eh?
Secondly, the point of law enforcement is to enforce the law. If citizens are informing the law enforcement officers when the law is broken, what makes that inherently socialist? Do you come from one of those neighborhoods where you don't talk to the "pigs" because they represent "the man"?
I think you just proved my point with Snowden. Governments have too much control over people as it is; we don't need to give them more. I think we agree on that. Governments only have control when we want them to. My ancestors and state fought long and hard to throw off an oppressive government and take up the mantle of sovereignty ourselves.
I come from a neighborhood where people mind their own business, because it is their own. I like my privacy and to be left alone. My neighbors like the same thing. We all agree on that. I don't stick my nose in someone else's affairs because I don't want them sticking their nose in mine.
Tattling to the police is like running and crying to Mom. The last bastion of those who can't handle that other people do things they don't like and want to punish them with the highest power they can.
Just because you don't like stereotypes doesn't mean they aren't true and the little old Italian wash woman sticking her nose in other people's business is very well known around me. Italians, on a whole, like to butt into other people's business. It is their entertainment. I know, I have four, off the boat, still Italian citizen, resident aliens in my family. They are great people, but they love gossip and getting into other people's affairs.
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Where nearly everyone spied on everyone else. You never knew who was watching and reporting, so you assumed everyone was.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
For the the modern joe-job.
Unless its an actual officer with an issued camera, the picture means nothing.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
So wait - you think reporting a crime to the police so they can investigate it is "tattling"? What are you? 8 years old?
You see some thugs mugging an old woman - move along, none of your business. You see someone breaking into your neighbor's house - leave it alone, I'm sure they value their privacy.
I simply can't understand the mentality that says if you see someone doing something wrong you just let them carry on. Baffling.
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Am I the only one chilled by the rising use of technology combined with citizens to create a self-police state? What next? Jay walking? Dogs with no leash? Spitting in public?
Will we not be satisfied until everyone has a camera, and they're pointed at everyone else, and every single infraction we all do daily is continually reported until we are all in jail? That's where it ends up, in my purposely exaggerated to prove a point scenario.
And sorry for posting as AC, but you know...tin foil hat and all that.
HAHAHA. You don't understand the difference between statutory regulations and criminal law. Go look up the difference between the two and come back and have an informed discussion. What are you 7 years old? -- insults are not necessary. Just become informed of how law works and then we can talk. Here is a hint. Who is the plaintiff in both, what is the burden of proof in both. Who is the injured party in both? How and why? Who brings action against the accused? I never said that when someone is being mugged, you should look away. This is about statutory infractions, not about crime. Understand the difference and we can talk.
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They just made it more convenient for people to report cars that violate traffic laws and presumably annoy them.
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Oh I love this story because it reminds me of growing up in Germany in the good 'ol days. Every morning my friend Klaus and I would put on our nicely pressed brwon shirts ( danke mutter!) and go out and report crimes for heir Hitler. Oh we would turn in our friends, neighbors, even our relatives if we had to. Man what we couldn't have accomplished if we could have just done our enforcement via Twitter.
Tattling to the police is like running and crying to Mom.
So some douchebag parks your car in, locks up and goes to the opera. No big deal, right? Don't go crying to mama ... be a man! Break a window and push the car down the hill. Works great until someone unilaterally decides you're the douchbag.
that it was possible to park illegally in Roma. I thought every empty spot was fair game.
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This can't be necessary or even worth the effort. In a city where double- or triple-parking is common, and just plain illegal parking is the norm, finding cars to ticket requires no assistance whatsoever. So what's the real reason they've implemented this?
HAHAHA. You don't understand the difference between statutory regulations and criminal law. Go look up the difference between the two and come back and have an informed discussion.
So regulations can be ignored.
By the sounds of it you are the one who needs to go and look up what a regulation is and how not following them can become a criminal offence.
The city of Rome do have a right to determine how people park, it's not a free for all. Above this, think about a persons business and having some arsehole park where customers usually sit/stand or in parking space that business has reserved (read: paid for) for his customers. Because that's where the majority of these complaints are coming from.
What are you 7 years old?
I'd say "What are you, 6 years old" but that would be an insult to six year olds, not only do they have a sense of right and wrong you seem to lack, they're also more considerate.
Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
> Not just Italy - Greece, Turkey, Croatia, Austria, Hungary, Czech Republic.
As for Hungary, here is a clue. During communism (1948-1989) there was a thing called COMECON. It decided centrally what each soviet-satellite state of Eastern-Central Europe was allowed to do economically. Complaining against silly decisions was pointless, as there were 200k soldiers, 1000 tanks, 400 warplanes and 50 nuke missiles garrisoned by the russkies, in Hungary alone. Anyhow, COMECON has decided Hungary was not allowed to produce cars for private use, but only specialize in making buses (Ikarus Corp.) All cars for office or private use had to come from imports to Hungary, which was never enough. (Czech, Poland, East Germany, Romania, the Soviet Union were all allowed to manufacture cars, but they served their own citizens first and only the balance went to Hungary, which was almost nil). Waiting list with advance payment (!) was 6 years for the junkest east german Trabant plastic car and 8-9 years for a somewhat respectable vehicle, like a russian Lada by Fiat or a czech Skoda. Even in 1989, some 80% of all travel in Hungary was by public transport and only 20% of person-kilometers were done in cars.
In 1990, communism collapsed in Hungary in an unforeseeable, quick suprise and in two years a huge number of second-third hand cars were imported from Austria, Germany, France. Suddenly cities got filled with old, worn out, polluting cars, causing traffic jams and the road pavements couldn't cope with the load. We still have a beyond terrible pothole situation and our people suddenly became so individualistic, they made a riot when the gov't tried to stop car traffic in the capital for two days, during extreme smog situation. The major of the capital city Budapest ran over and killed a 4-year old kid in 1995, which event made him even more of a pro-car fanatic and our current prime minister is a notorious speedster, who got fined multiple times by police in the neighbouring Romania (where driving fast is hyper dangerous due to almost non-existent road surfaces.)
There is now a young tram nerd, from a mega-rich family, who literally bought his way to chairmanship of BKK, the unified Budapest public transport management company. He is changing things fast for the better in the capital city (tramline renovations, new buses, GPS infodisplays, etc.), but faces huge political opposition. The government considers all transit riders left-leaning, atheist subhumans and only values the car-riding "good christian" populace. The official GOP party ideology slogan is "Three bedroom [flats], three kids, four wheels", which is supposed to represent the good thing missed under those 40 years of communist oppression.
The problem is then you end up with the a**holes being the towing companies. Plenty of issues around here where they've been caught ticketing people who actually still have time on the meter, aren't parked in the area the towing company is responsible for, etc.
I got nicked parking in a lot that had pay parking at certain hours, but also a sign saying free customer parking. It was fairly ambiguous as to whether it was always free for customers of the mall, pay after 8pm (most businesses were closed but the liquor store etc stay open later) for everyone, or if customers of non-mall businesses were allowed to pay+park after 8pm.
It's 10 degrees currently and we're suppose to get 6-8" of snow .
Not to nit pick, but I see this often enough that I thought I would correct you. The phrase above should be ". . .we're supposed to . . .."
I know that, when spoken, the 'd' of the 'ed' gets mixed in with the 't' of the 'to,' but it is still there.
The government is now outsourcing the reporting of crime to the public. And it's working. Hooray?
Obviously, the person that reports it will have their tweet accoutname revealed online.
If the person being cited takes revenge on the reporter... Urghhh!!!