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Environmental Report Raises Pressure On Obama To Approve Keystone Pipeline

Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "Reuters reports that pressure on President Obama to approve the Keystone XL pipeline increased on Friday after a State Department report played down the impact it would have on climate change, irking environmentalists and delighting proponents of the project. The long-awaited environmental impact statement concludes that the Keystone XL pipeline would not substantially worsen carbon pollution, leaving an opening for Obama to approve the politically divisive project as it appears to indicate that the project could pass the criteria Obama set forth in a speech last summer when he said he would approve the 1,700-mile pipeline if it would not 'significantly exacerbate' the problem of greenhouse gas emissions. The oil industry applauded the review. 'After five years and five environmental reviews, time and time again the Department of State analysis has shown that the pipeline is safe for the environment,' says Cindy Schild, the senior manager of refining and oil sands programs at the American Petroleum Institute, which lobbies for the oil industry. Environmentalists say they are dismayed at some of the report's conclusions and disputed its objectivity, and add that the report also offers Obama reasons to reject the pipeline. The report concludes that the process used for producing the oil — by extracting what are called tar sands or oil sands from the Alberta forest — creates about 17 percent more greenhouse gas emissions than traditional oil (PDF). But the report concludes that this heavily polluting oil will still be brought to market. Energy companies are already moving the oil out of Canada by rail. 'At the end of the day, there's a consensus among most energy experts that the oil will get shipped to market no matter what,' says Robert McNally. 'It's less important than I think it was perceived to be a year ago, both politically and on oil markets.'"

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  1. Well, Heck... No Wonder! by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The long-awaited environmental impact statement concludes that the Keystone XL pipeline would not substantially worsen carbon pollution..."

    Pretty hard to "worsen" something that doesn't exist... Carbon is NOT a pollutant.

    Funny, you don't hear anybody talking about "Oxygen Pollution", even though oxygen makes up more of CO2 than carbon does, and in fact in high concentrations oxygen is poisonous, but carbon is not.

    1. Re:Well, Heck... No Wonder! by houstonbofh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Carbon monoxide.

      Seeing as how every organic compound that exists, which includes nutrients and poisons, is based on carbon, just naming things that have carbon in them is pointless.

    2. Re:Well, Heck... No Wonder! by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Now, see how far it gets you when millions of people fleeing the coastlines drive your property prices down."

      In order for that to happen, the seal level would have to rise significantly, and at a far higher rate than it actually has been rising over the last century.

      Even if IPCC's worst-case projections were correct, you have about a century before it would be a meter above where it is now. Better start fleeing.

    3. Re:Well, Heck... No Wonder! by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "You understand that when people talk about "carbon pollution", they mean carbon dioxide, right? You clearly do, since you say as much at the end of your post. So why are you talking as if anyone is concerned about free carbon particles floating around? We all know we're talking about CO2."

      Sure. For now. But will it stay that way? Probably not.

      Understand something: regardless of whether climate scientists are correct about CO2-based warming, it isn't just about the science. It's also about control. The phrase "carbon pollution" is no accidental turn of phrase, and Al Gore doesn't "accidentally" own shares in companies that profit from "warming" scares.

      Strictly regulating CO2 would give the government unprecedented control over the air. Control of "carbon", if the idea could be promoted enough, would give government control of virtually everything except maybe minerals and refined chemicals.

      In the same way that saying "piracy" when you really mean "downloading", saying "carbon pollution" instead of CO2 does the control freaks' work for them.

      These things don't happen by accident. That's not "conspiracy theory", it's just a fact. What something is called has a very strong effect on public perception.

    4. Re:Well, Heck... No Wonder! by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "You understand that when people talk about "carbon pollution", they mean carbon dioxide, right?"

      I would also like to point out that the New York Times article linked to by OP very definitely DOES imply, in at least several different places, that carbon per se is a pollutant we need to worry about today. Which is both stupid and wrong.

  2. Horse... barndoor... by Omega+Hacker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While I generaly loathe our excessive use of fossil fuels, this is a case where the "market" is well in the lead of regulators. Those oils sands are already being dug up and processed, and the market is not going to let anything get in the way of that. This pipeline simply reduces the overall environmental impact and increases the safety (Casselton, North Dakota anyone?) of moving what is already being produced.

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    1. Re:Horse... barndoor... by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 3, Insightful

      (Casselton, North Dakota anyone?)

      Lac-Megantic, Quebec anyone? One thing about pipelines is that they don't tend to go through the centers of every small town along their route.

  3. False premisis by onyxruby · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Many people seem to be under the delusion that if we don't allow the pipeline into the US that the oil wont be extracted. It is Canada's right to extract the oil and sell it to the market - and they will. By removing the pipeline to the US from the table all you are doing is forcing the market to adapt. The market can and will adapt by either using trucks to haul the oil (much higher risk of a spill) or by selling their product elsewhere.

    You lose the advantage of having the environmental impact of a single pipeline that is easy to monitor and the safest relative way to transport oil. Your instead replacing it with shipping through another pipeline to a port where it will be placed on ships and sent overseas. The most likely place to ship it to is China and you can rest assured they won't be worrying about environmental impact reports.

    Now the same amount of oil is being used and it has a higher impact on the environment during shipment and afterwards. Meanwhile the US will be importing oil from overseas to meet demand, again adding shipping risks and emissions. This is plainly worse for the environment and the net result is pretty much the opposite of people are trying to achieve.

    1. Re:False premisis by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You raised the point of Economics 101 - and it turns out that the best way to benefit from the economics of this is in fact to sell the finished products to the highest bidder. The idea that 'sucking the oil out of the midwest' is harmful to the economics of the region or the country is incorrect. Cheap oil price is not the best way to benefit from this resource.

  4. Re:kind of a weird choice of agency by Qzukk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not knowing a single damn thing about what they're doing has never stopped a politician before.

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  5. Re:Why is a pipeline needed? by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So tell you what, you pre-approve a refinery near the Canadian border and we'll stop pushing for the entirely sensible pipeline.

    Short of that, you're playing an obvious shell game.

    Either you misunderstand the situation or you're the one playing games.

    The point of the pipeline is not to get oil to the refineries, it's to get oil to refineries near a port that can ship to China.
    It's not a secret, but I'm surprised at how many people seem ignorant of this fact.

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  6. Re:The impact of trucking/training is worse by budgenator · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The ironic part of your arguement is your argueing that oil that was scooped up in dirt, and extracted, would be impossible to clean up if it spilled back into the dirt!

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  7. Re:The impact of trucking/training is worse by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah, over forty people could be killed and half of downtown destroyed! Oh wait, that wasn't a pipeline.

    What rock didn't get that news?

    Even so, in what world is transporting oil in vehicles safer? Is your heart at ease when an SUV drives around crossing gates, barely clearing the tracks before a 40 car train of tankers moving at 70MPH rolls through? Do you live for the moments when you're driving among several of these tankers on the interstate? Or behind one at a railroad crossing (while it was a gasoline truck, I can't imagine the effect of oil being much better).