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CERN Wants a New Particle Collider Three Times Larger Than the LHC

Daniel_Stuckey writes "Not content with the 27-kilometer-round Large Hadron Collider, researchers at CERN have their sights set on a new beast of a particle collider that could have a circumference of 80 to 100 kilometers. The nuclear research organization announced that it was hatching plans for an ambitious successor to the LHC with an international study called the Future Circular Colliders program, which will kick off with a meeting next week. The idea is to consider different hadron collider designs similar to the existing LHC but more powerful — much more powerful. CERN wrote it was looking for a collider 'capable of reaching unprecedented energies in the region of 100 TeV.' The existing LHC will reach a maximum of around 14 TeV."

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  1. Sounds great by PCM2 · · Score: 5, Funny

    But before they use that collider they'll want to get it out of Beta first.

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    1. Re:Sounds great by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The idea is to consider different hadron collider designs similar to the existing LHC but more powerful â" much more powerful.

      - The new LHC is actually designed with the ability to turn Beta into a black hole.

    2. Re:Sounds great by Cylix · · Score: 3, Informative

      We can use the blackholes generated by the super sized collider to wipe out beta once and for all.

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    3. Re:Sounds great by BrentWM · · Score: 2

      CERN is bored with the old sub-atomic particles and wants a redesign that attracts new particles from more profitable demographics.

    4. Re:Sounds great by girlintraining · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We can use the blackholes generated by the super sized collider to wipe out beta once and for all.

      No need. It's already approaching implosion... site traffic has been cut by a third.

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    5. Re: Sounds great by ttucker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I always thought they were more of a pain in the ass than anything, like doing work for free.

    6. Re:Sounds great by isorox · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We can use the blackholes generated by the super sized collider to wipe out beta once and for all.

      No need. It's already approaching implosion... site traffic has been cut by a third.

      Really? Slashdot users have alexa malware?

    7. Re:Sounds great by Mitchell314 · · Score: 2

      I used up all mine yesterday. With help from the LHC's generated wormholes, I got them from tomorrow.

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  2. Hopefully they beta test it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    so all of the old LHC users can complain about the new LHC

  3. LHC didn't destroy the Unvierse? by eexaa · · Score: 5, Funny

    OK, let's build bigger one!

    1. Re:LHC didn't destroy the Unvierse? by ttucker · · Score: 2

      Eventually we will be able to use the old one as a subway around the entire planet.

    2. Re:LHC didn't destroy the Unvierse? by glavenoid · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, yes it did destroy the universe, but only after creating a new tiny universe which, incidentally, contained a tiny LHC to scale which was also creating a tinier universe which contained yet another tinier LHC and so on...

      Matter of fact, I think our universe is one of those tiny ones somewhere on the line and our perception of time just hasn't caught up yet.

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    3. Re:LHC didn't destroy the Unvierse? by TangoMargarine · · Score: 2
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    4. Re:LHC didn't destroy the Unvierse? by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Informative

      I can't find the source right now, but the LHC is built on top of an older smaller collider, which is also built on top of an even older, smaller one... Each increase in size is defined by a specific math formula that states the increase in size is exponential. I'm not sure how many more upgrades they could still do and remain on earth but I believe it was 2 BEFORE the LHC. So this next upgrade is likely the largest that can be built on earth, the next upgrade after that would be around the orbit of the moon or so, and then after that the entire solar system. I believe I saw this on a Ted Talk prior to the LHC coming on-line.

    5. Re:LHC didn't destroy the Unvierse? by aliquis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How to make a better beta:

      1) Add unicode support to Slashdot.

    6. Re: LHC didn't destroy the Unvierse? by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 2

      IIRC, getting particles to speed isn't the hard part or the reason accelerators are so big. The reason is because they need the diameter to be big enough that they can keep the particles confined in a magnetic field without the particles smashing into the walls.

      Too tight and the field strength needed to contain the particles simply becomes unreasonable.

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  4. Irony by Spottywot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's ironic for me is that the articles over the last couple of days have been a lot more interesting to me than in recent weeks, while I fully support the FUCK BETA protest, it's a real shame that we're missing out on some interesting discussion.

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    1. Re:Irony by trip23 · · Score: 2

      What's ironic for me is that the articles over the last couple of days have been a lot more interesting to me than in recent weeks, while I fully support the FUCK BETA protest, it's a real shame that we're missing out on some interesting discussion.

      That's the price you have to pay for revolting against the overlords. I, for one, do not welcome our new beta.

    2. Re:Irony by AlfaMike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree, but that is the point of a protest. Sacrifices must be made. You can't take Dice out of their comfort zone without taking the community outside of it as well.

  5. The Slashcott by sticks_us · · Score: 2, Informative

    So where will everybody be next week?

    Hacker news
    Lobste.rs
    Reddit ...?

    Also, has someone volunteered to put up a slashcott update site (maybe with statistics on how well/poorly the site is doing during the blockade?)

    Just curious.

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    1. Re:The Slashcott by sticks_us · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Might be fun.

      Maybe these guys got it covered though:

      http://www.altslashdot.org/wik...

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    2. Re:The Slashcott by AlfaMike · · Score: 2

      I enjoy browsing Reddit but I think it would be a terrible place for a community like Slashdot. The comment sections deteriorate WAY faster as soon as a sub-reddit gets mildly popular.

  6. Alternative to being stuck with Beta by computersareevil · · Score: 2, Informative

    Will soon be hosted at AltSlashdot.org or a site linked through that domain.

    It will be for the Nerds, by the Nerds, focusing on the Stuff That Really Matters: The community that makes the comments the best part of Slashdot.

    The name will change to avoid any trademark problems. The new domain will be linked through AltSlashdot.org for as long as practical.

    Some have suggested encouraging Bruce Perens to resurrect Technocrat.net for the third time. With all due respect to Bruce, the problem with that is he has shown he is not a reliable host. He has twice deleted that site without warning and without providing access to the archives. I don't think we want to get burned a third time.

    1. Re:Alternative to being stuck with Beta by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

      The name will change to avoid any trademark problems.

      Just call it "slashcott.org" - satirical and political.

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  7. Re:Beta by Antipater · · Score: 2

    And yet, the number of on-topic comments hasn't increased, either. It's not that people are getting accustomed to beta, it's that they're leaving.

    We're locked into the current two-party system by the very nature of first-past-the-poll voting. We're more-or-less locked into Youtube by its sheer mass: your average Joe doesn't have the server space or $$ to hold all that video content like Google does.

    We're not locked into slashdot. We have nostalgic feelings for it, but that's all.

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  8. So I have to add a subject? by Sepodati · · Score: 2

    People hate change... I don't get it.

    I'm trying beta right now. I can read the articles. Read the comments. Post a comment, obviously... what's the big deal other than hating change?

    Well... maybe I'll see the issue when I click "preview"...

  9. SSC resurrected by u19925 · · Score: 2

    Didn't we almost had it? See Superconducting Super Collider This was proposed in 1983 and cancelled in 1992 after spending 2 billion USD.

    1. Re:SSC resurrected by tokiko · · Score: 2

      They even specified a circumference between 80 to 100 kilometers. The Superconducting Super Collider was to be 87.1 kilometers!

  10. Re:Fixed that 4U by hubie · · Score: 2

    Yeah, I had thought about becoming a charged particle detector technician because it's a lifestyle of high rollers, fast cars, and fast women. Didn't you know that quantum mechanics eat steak?

  11. Monetization by PingXao · · Score: 4, Interesting

    BETA is clearly about monetization. The kids today - the next generation of consumers - expect a trendy style that slashdot doesn't exhibit. Dice is clearly interested in attracting a larger "audience" and they can't afford to have these new consumers visit the site, decide that it's not hip enough or it looks "old", and move on never to return. That has to be the thinking behind BETA.

    And the reason they want to increase their "audience share" is simple: The more people visit the site the more they can charge for advertising space. It really is that simple. They want to turn slashdot into a profit generator and the community be damned. They will happily throw all of us under the bus if it means they can acquire hordes of retards whose idea of insightful commentary consists of nothing more than "+1", or "Like" or (as we used to loathe in the days of AOHeLl: "Me too!"

    Like broadcast television and several other advertising models, they want to turn US into the PRODUCT that they sell to ADVERTISERS.

    Greedy sleazebags. I eagerly await Boycott Week from Feb 10th through the 17th. My only use of slashdot that week will be using the name on other sites to see how much the traffic drops off. More widespread dissemination of the BOYCOTT week needs to happen this weekend before it's scheduled to start on Monday. The only way to get through to marketeers and corporatist assholes is to hit 'em where it hurts: in their wallet. A boycott has the potential to show them just how low their "brand" can sink when they piss off their loyal userbase.

  12. Re:Sounds like Dr. Evil at work... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    They originally tasked Dr. Horrible with managing it, but he kept trying to sidetrack the project into building bigger and bigger Freeze Rays.

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  13. Should be a dual purpose particle accelerator by Trachman · · Score: 4, Funny

    They Should consider building a dual purpose atom accelerator (Lepton Accelerator). One purpose would be research of the particles by colliding them. The secondary purpose would be defense of the earth from meteorites. Once you accelerate a ton of atoms to the speed of light you, then, can direct the accelerated beam towards meteorite and destroy it. This new accelerator can be valuable defense installation. Also easier to justify the funds needed and take them from military budgets. I can see that in 50 years we will be building particle accelerator with the radius of the earth, 6378 kilometers or circumference of 40,000 kilometeres. Based on my approximate calculations, if current technologies are used we could achieve 21 PeV or 20734 TeV in such accelerator.

  14. Re:A compelling reason... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here's the compelling reason... to ruin it. Other sites have done it, so why not slashdot?
    Yahoo! news: ruined
    Yahoo! mail: ruined
    Google groups: ruined
    iOS: ruined with iOS7
    windows: ruined with 8/8.1
    ms office: ruined by ribbons

  15. Of course they want one. by hey! · · Score: 4, Funny

    Even *I* want a collider 3x as powerful as the most powerful particle accelerator the world has yet seen, and I'm not even a physicist.

    I like to imagine the kilometers of stainless steel gleaming in the harsh mercury vapor illumination; the drifting swirls of escaped cryogenic vapors; the sound of my evil laughter echoing in the vast subterranean chamber. If those things don't inspire you, there must be something inhuman about you.

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  16. I've heard that before by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    "Dad, I wanna 100-foot-tall pony!"

  17. Goal? by manu0601 · · Score: 2

    What is their goal? LHC was to find the Higgs boson. Now they have it (though I am not sure it has any consequence), what is the next goal?

    1. Re:Goal? by czert · · Score: 3, Informative

      The goal stays the same: validate or disprove predictions of physics at energy levels never before achieved.

    2. Re:Goal? by schn · · Score: 2

      properties of the higgs, whether there is more than 1 higgs, search for supersymmetry / DM, b meson physics to check the quark model.

  18. Re:A compelling reason... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    NO.