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Windows Replacement? ReactOS 0.3.16 Gets Themes, CSRSS Rewrite, and More

jeditobe writes with this announcement from the ReactOS home page: "The ReactOS Project is pleased to announce the release of version 0.3.16. A little under a year has passed since the previous release and a significant amount of progress has been made. More than 400 bugs were eliminated. Some of the most significant include completion of the CSRSS rewrite and the first stages of a shell32 rewrite. 0.3.16 is in many ways a prelude to several new features that will provide a noticeable enhancement to user visible functionality. A preview can be seen in the form of theme support, which while disabled by default can be turned on to demonstrate the Lautus theme developed by community member Maciej Janiszewki. Another user visible change is a new network card driver for the RTL8139, allowing ReactOS to support newer versions of QEMU out of the box." You can download release images here. Want to see how it handles Windows software? Here are demos of Office 2003, Photoshop CS2, and OpenMPT.

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  1. a better Beta by tirnacopu · · Score: 4, Informative

    Slashdot will soon return as http://soylentnews.org/

  2. Feature Parity? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Have the ReactOS guys reached feature parity with NT4 yet? Last time I tried it, it was almost as unusable as slashdot beta!

    1. Re:Feature Parity? by chester_br · · Score: 5, Funny

      They started the project over from scratch recently.

      Apparently the old codebase was like polishing a turd.

      You mean, ReactOS or the Slashdot Beta?

  3. One day.... by Voyager529 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Now before I say anything, do know that I GREATLY applaud the efforts of the ReactOS platform. I am incredibly impressed by the huge undertaking the ReactOS team has decided to pursue. Programming an open source, binary-compatible alternative to Windows is, in my opinion, the most difficult OSS project to ever make happen - after all, Microsoft can't exactly do it right when they have the actual source code, a lot more software developers, and a LOT more money. I do one day hope to be able to use it as a primary operating system that will work with my existing hardware and software as seamlessly as it presently does with Windows, leaving Windows as a memory as the ReactOS community take the best parts of OSS development and apply it to making my very expensive Windows software run.

    One day.

    I really don't mean to be a jerk to the devs, because I know that I have no skill, talent, or ability to write an operating system. I know that they have to hit a constantly moving target, while making plenty of rough decisions along the way: two pieces of software exist. One doesn't work past Windows XP. One works only on Vista/7/8. Which do you make compatible? Microsoft clearly has their way of going ("forward", i.e. Win8 apps), but ReactOS could easily spur adoption by catering to people who have $5,000 pieces of hardware that are no longer made, perfectly fill their needs, and don't have drivers for >WinXP. This is a tough question to answer, and one I do not envy or posit a response.

    Based on their demos, it seems that they're going the 'Open Source XP' method, as can be deduced based on their demos of Office 2003 and Photoshop CS2, the former being four revisions out of date, and the latter being five (assuming we count 'CC' as a single version). If the /only/ thing it will run is old software that is not being updated, I understand that - it's no longer a moving target, after all. However, constantly playing catch-up with Microsoft, though inherently a consequence of the nature of the project, is all but impossible to truly consider a replacement.

    Perhaps I need to read up on their website or do some Google searching, but are they planning to start eyeballing Win7 at all? What about more recent iterations of DirectX? I'd love to be independently wealthy enough to dump a few million at the project, and yes, next payday I plan on sending $20 or somesuch to the cause. That doesn't mean that the devs will be able to achieve critical mass effectively.

    Having said all of that, if they could get an OSS flavor of Windows ThinPC up and running (i.e. completely iron out hardware compatibility and a remote desktop client), and charge even some nominal amount for it so that companies could use it instead of ThinPC (which is stupidly licensed), that'd be a great way to start making inroads.

    1. Re:One day.... by Belial6 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I believe that you can use a standard Windows RPC client with ReactOS.

      I would agree that they need to get some adoption. I think (which has no real bearing on what they should really do) they should work at getting some of those high value applications working 100% on ReactOS, and then create an installer so that the application could install into a version of ReactOS that launches the application by default and that installs into a Virtual machine. This would make ReactOS a compatibility layer for all of those old applications. Any bugs or missing features in ReactOS that are not used by the specific application would not matter.

      Another option would be to try to work with someone like GOG. GOG already uses DosBox and ScummVM to run a lot of games. Having a system that would allow them to package old Windows games would enhance their offerings. Particularly if the system was cross platform, which ReactOS installed to a VM would be.

    2. Re:One day.... by TheloniousToady · · Score: 4, Interesting

      leaving Windows as a memory as the ReactOS community take the best parts of OSS development and apply it to making my very expensive Windows software run.

      I honestly don't understand how anybody could think Windows is expensive. I really think it's cheap considering what an extremely complex piece of software it is. It's probably cheaper per byte than any other software, unless you consider free (as in beer) software. For example, I recently paid about $140 for it, but I paid $40 yesterday for a mere music program. If you think of Windows as a major component of a computer like an HDD or processor or whatever, its cost is about on the same scale.

      I certainly wish the ReactOS folks well, but I'm not sure what problem ReactOS solves. Folks who are enamored with being able to customize their OS already have Linux and several other open-source choices. So, at best, ReactOS just saves me $140. I wouldn't turn that down with all things being equal, but otherwise, I would much rather pay $140 for an HDD or processor that works well than get one for free that doesn't.

    3. Re:One day.... by Jmc23 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Something tells me 3,000,000 was around the point slashdot died.

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    4. Re:One day.... by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 5, Informative

      ReactOS is at a point where it is as compatible as it is going to get, if you get it to a bug free state. The issue is ultimately with other Microsoft libraries that are "part" of Windows, but not. Things like MFC, ADO, VB6 runtime, Terminal services, just to name a few are things we take for granted that just aren't going to be part of ReactOS. They have proxy DLLs with functions that do nothing, but they are monumental tasks all by themselves and most software needs these tidbits to run.

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    5. Re:One day.... by Bite+The+Pillow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      With a proper installer, an application requiring those would provide the version it needs, aka DLL hell. If some form of SxS is implemented, you get version specific runtime and no DLL hell.

      There has been no need to rewrite those, for that reason, other than having stubs to link against. And since they reuse wine libs, it may be a wine stub rather than something reactos intends to work.

      Once you are enlightened, your statement is now false. It will get more compatible. And if you require those libraries and it is legal do to so, you can obtain them directly from Microsoft, or the app developer, or anyone.

      There is a reason they are called redistributables. Guess what that is? Go on, I'll give you a hint if you need one.

      And most programs need terminal services? No, some very specific ones do. And that is the idea behind thorium virtual kickstarter. If people fund it, it will exist.

    6. Re:One day.... by dbIII · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A little anecdote that exposes a bit of the can of worms. Some years ago a software developer made a little program to get files via a non-MS file serving protocol (I can't remember which one). To his astonishment it also worked with the "Microsoft" SMB file serving protocol because that turned out to have been derived from the other without attribution or money changing hands. The free software project later went on to be Samba.
      MS have too much of a mess with bits from all over the place to be able to playing ownership games on anything from a few years ago. They've got better things to do than a PR disaster and feeding another team of lawyers for a decade.

  4. Re: boycott slashdot by enharmonix · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Unless the new site runs on ReactOS, please shut the fuck up about slashdot beta.

  5. Re:Please stop the redirection to beta by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Using the URL http://slashdot.org/?nobeta=1 should fix that.

  6. On Topic by mexsudo · · Score: 3, Informative

    "ReactOS is a free and open-source operating system based on the best design principles found in the Windows NT architecture. Written completely from scratch, ReactOS is not a Linux-based system and it shares none of the UNIX architecture. The main goal of the ReactOS project is to provide an operating system which is binary compatible with Windows. This will allow Windows applications and drivers to run as they would on a Windows system. Additionally, the look and feel of the Windows operating system is used, such that people accustomed to the familiar user interface of Windows would find using ReactOS straightforward. The ultimate goal of ReactOS is to allow people to use it as an alternative to Windows without the need to change software they are used to." anybody tried this? pretty obscure, first I heard of it.

    1. Re:On Topic by jordanjay29 · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's been around for years, quietly chugging away. The goal is admirable, but with the sluggish progress I've seen, I have little confidence that there will be an actual product someday that will operate as a FOSS platform for natively running Windows software.

  7. Re: version 0.3.16. by smittyoneeach · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sort of a master Beta, if you will.

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  8. Re:What's wrong with the beta? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Have some comparison screenshots. First, between the first two pics, note that slashdot's solution to the problem that after you get three-four comments deep in a conversation it becomes unreadable is to just not show comments beyond that point unless you repeatedly mash the get more comments button (compare to Reddit's solution of having a link directly to the rest of the thread). Also note how little text fits on the screen in the beta version compared to the classic version.

    For the third screenshot, note how the fonts for different comments are different for no reason, and how small the comment box is. It's also worth noting that they've removed the maxlength attribute on the comment subject box, so instead of the browser telling you when you've reached the limit, your subject is truncated.

  9. Re: version 0.3.16. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Inkscape went from 0.35 to 0.48 in its 11 years of existence, and is one of the very best and most useful software the free software community has produced. Don't take the 1.0 number too seriously, because there are many other numbering schemes.

  10. Re:Hi by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 5, Funny

    I see the new Beta is managing to attract new readers! Welcome!

    A VM or "virtual machine" is a type of computer program that creates an emulated software environment. Not that any real person actually knows what that means. Think of it as a sort of a computer that runs on another computer. You can run multiple "virtual machines" on a single computer; then you give access to individual "VM" to all your clients or employees. Busy executives like yourself love VMs because it saves them so much money on hardware; why waste money on 100 servers when you can just buy one and make it look like you have 100 computers! All your peons down in IT would probably recommend against running it on Windows8, but that's just because they like running complicated things like Linux. Windows 8 can handle VMs just fine, and - thanks to its colorful and touch-friendly interface - it's so easy to use that you can fire all those overpaid geeks and have your secretary handle everything for you. Think of the cost savings!

    I hope that helps; this is just one of those useful tips you'll find on the new Slashdot, now featuring shorter articles and nice big pictures. Not only has Slashdot has been redesigned to make all this computer gibberish more palatable and understandable for management and accounting types, but we've hidden all the comments from all those grumpy greybeards and nerds to make for a better C-level executive experience! Thanks for coming, and enjoy your stay!

  11. Support ReactOS on Kickstarter!!1 by jeditobe · · Score: 3, Informative
  12. Re:Toy project by TuringCheck · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually the whole idea of ReactOS was to provide a binary compatible kernel so Windows drivers could be loaded unmodified.

    At the time ReactOS was started the lack of drivers was seriously hurting Linux. Meanwhile the situation has changed and drivers for Linux are no longer something unheard of.

    Also note that ReactOS and Wine share a lot of the higher level library code - in fact all libraries that are pure Win32 with no calls to native libraries.

  13. Re:Please stop the redirection to beta by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Note that so far there has been no admission of just how bad the beta is, only promises to implement missing features and fiddle with the layout. They don't think it is badly broken, that's the problem. It just needs polishing and some more features in their minds.

    The end is coming. The acknowledgement of the problems changed nothing, other than to stop the protests. It seems like most people are just waiting for the end now, consciously or not.

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  14. Re:Please stop the redirection to beta by PopeRatzo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I like the redesign, and the occasional redirection to the beta just makes life interesting.

    Geez, take it easy. You act like Slashdot killed your dog.

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