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The Death Cap Mushroom Is Spreading Across the US
Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "Discovery News reports that the death cap mushroom is now an invasive species on every continent except Antarctica. It is spreading along the East and West Coasts of the U.S. and appears to be moving south into Mexico. 'When someone eats Amanita phalloides, she typically won't experience symptoms for at least six and sometimes as many as 24 hours,' says Cat Adams. 'Eventually she'll suffer from abdominal cramps, vomiting, and severely dehydrating diarrhea. This delay means her symptoms might not be associated with mushrooms, and she may be diagnosed with a more benign illness like stomach flu. To make matters worse, if the patient is somewhat hydrated, her symptoms may lessen and she will enter the so-called honeymoon phase.' Without proper, prompt treatment, the victim can experience rapid organ failure, coma, and death. But good news is on the way. S. Todd Mitchell of Dominican Hospital in Santa Cruz, California has treated more than 60 patients with a drug derived from milk thistle. The patients who have started the drug on time (within 96 hours of ingesting the mushroom) and who have still had kidney function intact have all survived. 'When administered intravenously, the compound sits on and blocks the receptors that bring amatoxin into the liver, thus corralling the amatoxins into the blood stream so the kidneys can expel them faster,' says Adams. Still, Mitchell cautions against the 'regular look"'of deadly mushrooms. 'They smell very good and when they're cooked, many patients have described them as the most delicious mushrooms they've ever eaten.'"
only shes eat it?
Are there any tech sites athat aren't so USA focused? Slashdot has become really dull lately.
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'nuff said.
I have seen them every few miles, especially near certain ranges of markers. Some animals run up the hills crapping these out of their butt. I was considering picking up some to be analyzed at Mississippi State, but I decided against it. Unsafe. Not savory. Probably Bad for ya.
At least there is no chance in hell anyone would confuse them with Magic Mushrooms then ....
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over doing it a bit since they grow in Europe and I used to spend my time as a kid IDing fungi with my little book, yeah weird kid I know, and amanita genus have been particularly interesting to me. Also someone better tell this guy he shouldn't be doing that https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Apparently the mushroom only affects women.
There is another way to "cure" it, but, some people would laugh if they heard the "cure."
-C
That's why they say, if it tastes good spit it out!
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Mmmh, time for some Amanita phalloides and milk thistle soup!
Looks like the Killer Bees brought it with them from Mexico.
That's not what the article says at all.
Where's Mario when you need him!
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Is this hype because it is finding its way into the food supply in stores either via getting into commercial operations accidentally or being picked and sold as something else by wild collectors, or is it just journalistic pomp? Because, as somebody who regularly photographs fungi while out photographing native orchids, I'm willing to bet only a very small percentage of the population would ever even consider eating a wild mushroom. Even 90+ percent of my hiking buddies, all of them reasonably good at plant and fungus IDs, would never consider taking that risk unless it was something very expensive to just buy, like morels.
So, is there such a think as Xtreme eating (like extreme sports?)
If the people who ate them " described them as the most delicious mushrooms they've ever eaten.'" have all survived once they took the antidote, would other people consider eating this mushroom KNOWING that they were putting their life at risk (assuming they had access to the antidote)?
I mean is this akin to eating the "Fugu" fish (which I have!) where, for some, part of the attraction of the food is the possibility that you might die?
Are there other foods which are (potentially?) dangerous or deadly but are so tasty that it is worth the risk?
Honestly, who is picking up random shrooms and eating them?
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European countries have used milk thistle for this purpose for centuries if not millennia, but US doctors have been blocked from using it by the FDA for years; they'd rather have people die than be cured by something not patentable. hopefully this situation will change someday, even if it has to be because Merck or another Big Pharma firm comes up with a synthesized, patentable work-alike drug similar to silibinin hemisuccinate.
Learn about mushrooms, and eat the ones you know and recognize, and don't trust what you did not pick yourself, it's quite simple.
How can it be an invasive species on every continent except Antarctica, unless it either originated in Antarctica (which I doubt) or in outer space (which I doubt more).
At least once.
I consider anyone who eats mushrooms to have suspect decision making processes.
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I have eaten plenty of wild mushrooms but only in Europe when I was young under my father's supervision. One time I even found a wild asparagus stock and ate it. Interestingly enough is that when I was back here in the states walking through the park. I saw some mushrooms growing and ask my dad about picking them. He said not to because he wasn't familiar with american mushrooms having grown up in Sweden. So don't pick mushrooms up if you're not familiar with the local mushrooms....
eaters. But there are no old, bold mushroom eaters.
And why not, she can eat whatever she wants, its her right, right ? I mean its not like you need a vagina to eat shrooms and die.
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Odds in Vegas are running 3 to 1 against her surviving 48hrs.
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Sounds like Fugu might have some competition in the endorphin inducing meal department...
I think Harry Dresden used this antidote once.
One of my favorite TED talks is http://www.ted.com/talks/paul_stamets_on_6_ways_mushrooms_can_save_the_world.html. The guy knows his mushrooms . I never gave them a second thought until I saw the video. Just thought I'd share.
"abdominal cramps, vomiting, and severely dehydrating diarrhea"
Everyday at taco bell.
Did anyone else notice the article had the word "diarrhea" in it? LOL
...a story about people eating random mushrooms they find growing on the ground...Santa Cruz has to be involved.
not trying to be rude, but do people eat poisonous, wild mushrooms without knowing? i'm just asking. I buy my mushrooms from the grocery store.
So, they get you high or what?
You are welcome on my lawn.
"They smell very good and when they're cooked, many patients have described them as the most delicious mushrooms they've ever eaten."
Clearly this is proof of Intelligent Design. If I were God I'd definitely place these things everywhere they'd fit just to keep my people on their toes. Nature's land mines.
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Yes, this is also how morons are removed from the gene pool.
Moron A, not thinking about how dangerous it could be, inconsiderately challenges his buddy, Moron B, to eat a wild mushroom, for fun.
Then Moron B, not thinking of his own safety and only of impressing his buddy and the $10, foolishly eats it. He then suggests Moron A do the same because it tastes good.
Later, neither Moron can figure out why they are feeling sick, and eventually they are removed from the gene pool.
Seriously, one of humanity's greatest evolutionary advantages is our brains. The impulse to ignore that advantage and instead react to the base impulse of a dare so as to fall victim to the survival mechanism of a lowly mushroom is something I would love to see bred out of humanity.
The good old ingrediants for any potion in Skyrim and Oblivion.
any one who has atlease gotten to level 5 in Alchemy would understand thoes ingrediants.
Fortunately, men are not at risk
I have seen them every few miles, especially near certain ranges of markers. Some animals run up the hills crapping these out of their butt. I was considering picking up some to be analyzed at Mississippi State, but I decided against it. Unsafe. Not savory. Probably Bad for ya.
I would be more worried if the mushrooms made animals crap out of their eyes.
Scientists have just discovered that the best solution is: DON'T go eat random fucking mushrooms in the fucking woods, you idiot!
Someone went out of there way to gender type the moron who ate the death cap
As someone who's dabbled in mycology and grown mushrooms my understanding is you should never attempt to identify a mushroom in the wild before getting detailed information about what species actually grow in the local area. It's nearly impossible make a certain visual identification of a mushroom if you were to compare it against every other type mushroom that exists, even as an expert. This is also why getting information about new types of species in an area out into the public is so important.
"Most delicious mushroom they've ever eaten." Maybe I should tank up on sylimarin and go mushy hunting.
The Death Cap is something I learned as a child not to touch, and I teach my kids that too. It's pretty common where I live to learn which things in nature are edible and what to watch out for. I had the impression most people around the world had that kind of education "built in". Is that not the case in the US these days?
Why, yes! I AM new here.
The main reason these mushrooms are eaten is that they are misidentified as some similar looking edible species. The most frequent victims for these mushrooms are immigrants that mistake them for an edible species that they would find back where they were originally from. In the US on the west coast, that most often means immigrants from eastern Asia mistaking them for Volvariella, volavacea, commonly sold in supermarkets in cans as "Paddy Straw Mushrooms".
As far as being deadly, their lethality depends mostly on how much of them you eat. In a very general sense, if you eat some and don't seek medical treatment, your odds of dying are around 50%. With treatment (before the milk thistle extract), the survival rate was more like 90%.
There are lots of other mushrooms that also produce the same toxins in potentially deadly quantities. The ones that produce the most poisonings are Galerinas (especially G. marginata), since they resemble some of the hallucinogenic species of Psilocybe and can grow in the same habitats, at the same time, and even side by side with them. Lepiotas and Conocybes (Pholiotinas) can also be deadly in the same way, but don't generally resemble other mushrooms that most would want to eat.
There are lots of safe mushrooms and groups of mushrooms that are easy to identify accurately enough to eat without significant risk. Members of the genus Amanita (the ones these deadly ones belong to) don't fall into that category, unless you're a real expert. A lot of the "experts" that are referred to as such are people that can identify a few species (or maybe a few dozen species) in the woods - not somebody we should treat as a real expert. It's a bit like calling somebody who has done a "Hello World" program in a couple languages a programming expert.
If you want to learn enough to forage for your own wild mushrooms, you should contact a local mycological society. You can meet people who can show you how to identify some of the easier, safer mushrooms in your area.
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It's just that so many Americans are so detached from nature and are afraid of that "you're standing on my property!" and getting peppered by bullets, that they don't enjoy nature...
Come on, that's not at all true. Visits to national parks in the U.S. are at all time highs, as are regional parks or just any park/forest - there is a TON of open land people can and do go exploring on all across the whole of the U.S. If you have never been I don't think you understand how much open areas there are even close to very densely populated cities.
I have a number of friends who also go out and collect mushrooms. I myself do not simply because to me the risks and effort to avoid the risks do not outweigh the slight benefits. It's not because "I'm afraid of being peppered by bullets" which approximately no-one is when wandering the countryside.
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The Death Cap is something I learned as a child not to touch, and I teach my kids that too.
Yes, but since it is spreading how would people have shown others to look out for it - and why would they bother when it's not supposed to be there?
That's why the warning is a good thing, for people to be aware the Death Cap could be anywhere and so you should always look for distinguishing signs.
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As expected, the quality of the commentary has increased since the Beta Assholes chose to cleanse Slashdot of their vile presence. So it doesn't matter if site visits have slightly dropped, it seems the tiny minority that left added zero value to Slashdot and will not be missed.
Slashdot, do not let these people come back. Deploy beta this week and drive them away for good!
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If they taste so wonderful, why not market a meal of these magically delicious mushrooms with a cup of milkthistle tea blocker! I'm sure you'd find takers.
If the mushrooms actually smell/taste good, they're toxic.
We've got the problem in California that there are lots of people who've come from places where mushroom hunting is a common occupation, and where there are local tasty mushrooms back in the old country which look a lot like our poisonous ones. And it's often not just one victim, it's a whole family who've been out in the woods for the day, picked the mushrooms, and cooked them for dinner. And now they all need liver transplants.
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So if it's invasive on every continent except Antarctica, shouldn't that mean that it is native to Antarctica? Or possibly not land-based at all?
(Hint: it's from Europe.)
Death cap is a common mushroom in our region (western part of Russia and Baltics). You can find it easily in every forest but amounts vary by year. Despite the fact it is well known to any interested person, there are a few lethal cases every summer involving careless mushroom pickers. A cultural note: wild mushroom picking is considered normal everyday activity here, regardless your income and social status.
He's not complaining, he is asking if there is a site better suited for his tastes. If there is one, I'd like to know about it also, as this site is becoming worse and worse all the time. I guess most of the sane moderators are gone, as the first posts I saw were complete crap. Either that, or something is broken. The design being broken is very apparent already. I have a tiny sliver of text and loads and loads of vertical lines and empty space.
Using feminine pronouns because you are a lesbian doesn't make it proper grammar. Fuck you in the cunt, bitch.
It's not an English rule, it's a rule valid in most, if not all Indo-European languages that haven't gone through a full shift from the original tri-gendered PIE system to something without the M/F distinction. Languages like Russian, Slovak, and Czech still keep the original three genders (well, four, if you count the animate/inanimate opposition in masculine as two genders, as many linguists do), and since the M/F distinction is still present in them, M gender is used in indefinite and interrogative sentences. French shed the neutral gender, but since the M/F distinction is still present, M gender is used in indefinite and interrogative sentences, as in other Romance languages. English has all but lost morphological gender distinctions, but since gendered personal pronouns survive, M gender pronouns are used in those indefinite and interrogative sentences that would require the use of some gendered personal pronoun.
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Seems akin to the same risk / reward of scavenging for old land mines. "I know what I'm doing, trust me!"
'They smell very good and when they're cooked, many patients have described them as the most delicious mushrooms they've ever eaten
We see this all the time. Of course they are going to claim this. Who wants to say "I almost died from eating this mushroom and it tasted pretty bad."? They are trying to put a good face on it. Just like the people who drink their own urine and claim a myriad of health benefits. Who is going to admit they drank their own urine and got nothing out of it?
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A. Phalloides are quite common where I live, and I have been able to visually ID them since I was a kid. OK, I may have made a few mistakes, but a false positive in this area always beats a false negative anyday. After I learned how to do a spore print, I was ready to ID edible mushrooms. I have never picked and eaten a mushroom that I had not ID'ed properly.
There have always been people dying from eating poisonous mushrooms, since the beginning of time. This is no new danger, except for those that do not know what they are eating...
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This is a native species (Amanita Phalloides) that is common throughout much of North America already. Not easily mistaken for anything else. The problem is that it is closely related to Fly Agaric or Amanita Muscaria which is a hallucinogen. What usually kills you with Fly Agaric is the antidote. When injected the doctor sees you reacting negatively to the antidote they inject much more thinking they did not give you enough for the poison, you then go into shock and die. To prepare Fly Agaric it needs to be cooked (just the skin from the cap) at a certain temperature for a certain time interval to be rendered safe. Even handling either type can introduce poison through the skin. I wouldn't advise messing with this species. Fly Agaric is the pretty yellow polka dotted
red mushroom you see in the fall.
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In my country, mushroom picking is a national sport. Everyone devotes at least one weekend to the activity. The forests are full of people. (Forests are free to roam if not fenced, but much of the forest is public owned anyway)
There have been maybe 1 or 2 deaths for amanita phaloides in the past years. And maybe 2 or 3 more for other species.
The amanita is quite similar to a very tasty mushroom of the same family, but few people takes the risk of picking those if they are not really experts.
Here everyone knows that if you have any digestive simptoms shortly after eating own picked mushrooms you must go instantly to the doctor. You usually recover after the hellish days of your life
In the case of the phaloides, . You hava a high provability on getting a cronic a liver disease if you survive it, This mushroom not a joke.
What happened to /.?
AirBag, spanish excellent film. (With a lot of details that were taken later by "Hangover" film), have a "Russian Omelette" scene just at the beginnning.
4 omelettes, 3 with amanita phaloides, one with amanita cesarea. The survivor takes it all...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbYRSvvRS9Y
Really really funny movie... One of the best spanish movies of all times.
She? Try they whoever wrote it..
Might as well say 'when creatures...'
"When someone eats Amanita phalloides, she typically won't experience symptoms "
She.. so what happen if a "he" eats one?
Oh yeah and what the heck happened to the "ban" on exclusive language?
Let me see --- if you want to say 'he" you must put "he or she" but if you wan to say "she" that's acceptable.
Do I understand now????
I've been picking mushrooms since I was 7. And the first rule you learn is to not pick the mushrooms you are not sure about. In case of doubt don't pick. My grand parents and parents were picking shrooms their whole life, and AFAIK no one ever got sick because of it.
Mind you that in Russia this is something that most people do and it is seen as the most normal thing.
"I know all mushrooms great and small,"
Said William Harvey Snooks.
And passed from the parlor to the hall
My how natural he looks.
Having a good reference book, and experience hunting with someone who knows what they are doing reduces the risk...
You could go out hunting for a cheese burger and get a fatal E. Coli infection too..
YMMV.
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(You sure "talk a good game" -> http://games.slashdot.org/comm... but you can't even produce a MERE SCRIPT!, windbag...)
You aren't even on the level of a "script kiddie", & full of HOT AIR!
You certainly won't reply there in that 2nd link I posted either, as that would remove your downmods to my posts like this one you can't validly disprove or justify your downmod on -> http://games.slashdot.org/comm...
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(You're all TALK, & NO action "CHUMPY!)
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... apk
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(You sure "talk a good game" -> http://games.slashdot.org/comm... but you can't even produce a MERE SCRIPT!, windbag...)
You aren't even on the level of a "script kiddie", & full of HOT AIR!
You certainly won't reply there in that 2nd link I posted either, as that would remove your downmods to my posts like this one you can't validly disprove or justify your downmod on -> http://games.slashdot.org/comm...
Oh, I suspect that IS the case here (simply logging out of a registered account & trolling by ac is a common troll trick around here OR using alternate registered 'luser' accounts sockpuppets to do the job will also, & Lumpy is LOADED with those & trolling - which doesn't matter: He PROVES he's all talk, no action (or skills, OR brains, lol))
(You're all TALK, & NO action "CHUMPY!)
* :)
(You know it, I know it, & so does anyone reading AND laughing their asses off @ you now... lol!)
APK
P.S.=> Answer the question in the subject-line Lumpy - since you had to "eat your wrods" in the 1st link above flavored with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH + the "bitter taste of SELF-defeat", lol...
... apk
ROTFLMAO @ "Chumpy" -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
(You sure "talk a good game" -> http://games.slashdot.org/comm... but you can't even produce a MERE SCRIPT!, windbag...)
You aren't even on the level of a "script kiddie", & full of HOT AIR!
You certainly won't reply there in that 2nd link I posted either, as that would remove your downmods to my posts like this one you can't validly disprove or justify your downmod on -> http://games.slashdot.org/comm...
Oh, I suspect that IS the case here (simply logging out of a registered account & trolling by ac is a common troll trick around here OR using alternate registered 'luser' accounts sockpuppets to do the job will also, & Lumpy is LOADED with those & trolling - which doesn't matter: He PROVES he's all talk, no action (or skills, OR brains, lol))
(You're all TALK, & NO action "CHUMPY!)
* :)
(You know it, I know it, & so does anyone reading AND laughing their asses off @ you now... lol!)
APK
P.S.=> Answer the question in the subject-line Lumpy - since you had to "eat your wrods" in the 1st link above flavored with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH + the "bitter taste of SELF-defeat", lol...
... apk
ROTFLMAO @ "Chumpy" -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
(You sure "talk a good game" -> http://games.slashdot.org/comm... but you can't even produce a MERE SCRIPT!, windbag...)
You aren't even on the level of a "script kiddie", & full of HOT AIR!
You certainly won't reply there in that 2nd link I posted either, as that would remove your downmods to my posts like this one you can't validly disprove or justify your downmod on -> http://games.slashdot.org/comm...
Oh, I suspect that IS the case here (simply logging out of a registered account & trolling by ac is a common troll trick around here OR using alternate registered 'luser' accounts sockpuppets to do the job will also, & Lumpy is LOADED with those & trolling - which doesn't matter: He PROVES he's all talk, no action (or skills, OR brains, lol))
(You're all TALK, & NO action "CHUMPY!)
* :)
(You know it, I know it, & so does anyone reading AND laughing their asses off @ you now... lol!)
APK
P.S.=> Answer the question in the subject-line Lumpy - since you had to "eat your wrods" in the 1st link above flavored with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH + the "bitter taste of SELF-defeat", lol...
... apk
ROTFLMAO @ "Chumpy" -> http://yro.slashdot.org/commen...
(You sure "talk a good game" -> http://games.slashdot.org/comm... but you can't even produce a MERE SCRIPT!, windbag...)
You aren't even on the level of a "script kiddie", & full of HOT AIR!
You certainly won't reply there in that 2nd link I posted either, as that would remove your downmods to my posts like this one you can't validly disprove or justify your downmod on -> http://games.slashdot.org/comm...
Oh, I suspect that IS the case here (simply logging out of a registered account & trolling by ac is a common troll trick around here OR using alternate registered 'luser' accounts sockpuppets to do the job will also, & Lumpy is LOADED with those & trolling - which doesn't matter: He PROVES he's all talk, no action (or skills, OR brains, lol))
(You're all TALK, & NO action "CHUMPY!)
* :)
(You know it, I know it, & so does anyone reading AND laughing their asses off @ you now... lol!)
APK
P.S.=> Answer the question in the subject-line Lumpy - since you had to "eat your wrods" in the 1st link above flavored with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH + the "bitter taste of SELF-defeat", lol...
... apk
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(You sure "talk a good game" -> http://games.slashdot.org/comm... but you can't even produce a MERE SCRIPT!, windbag...)
You aren't even on the level of a "script kiddie", & full of HOT AIR!
You certainly won't reply there in that 2nd link I posted either, as that would remove your downmods to my posts like this one you can't validly disprove or justify your downmod on -> http://games.slashdot.org/comm...
Oh, I suspect that IS the case here (simply logging out of a registered account & trolling by ac is a common troll trick around here OR using alternate registered 'luser' accounts sockpuppets to do the job will also, & Lumpy is LOADED with those & trolling - which doesn't matter: He PROVES he's all talk, no action (or skills, OR brains, lol))
(You're all TALK, & NO action "CHUMPY!)
* :)
(You know it, I know it, & so does anyone reading AND laughing their asses off @ you now... lol!)
APK
P.S.=> Answer the question in the subject-line Lumpy - since you had to "eat your wrods" in the 1st link above flavored with your FOOT IN YOUR MOUTH + the "bitter taste of SELF-defeat", lol...
... apk