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What Would You Do With the World's Most Powerful Laser?

sciencehabit writes "This week, the National Ignition Facility (NIF) at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California announced an important milestone on the road to achieving ignition, which could lead to producing controlled fusion reactions here on Earth. But NIF isn't just about harnessing the energy of the stars—it's about learning how stars produce their energy in the first place. In fact, pushing matter to extreme pressures and temperatures lets scientists explore all sorts of unanswered questions. At the annual meeting of AAAS in Chicago four physicists sat down with Science Magazine to discuss NIF's basic science potential and what experiments they would do if they had the laser all to themselves."

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  1. I would.. by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 5, Funny

    >What Would You Do With the World's Most Powerful Laser?

    I would attach it to the world's biggest shark. Obvious really.

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    1. Re:I would.. by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Of course you would. Next up would be mutant sea bass, ill tempered...mutant sea bass.

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    2. Re:I would.. by WarJolt · · Score: 2

      Such a buzz kill, man. When I invent a shrink ray to shrink the laser, guess whos going to be the laser shark's first victim. Muhahahaha

    3. Re:I would.. by BlueToast · · Score: 1

      point it at the moon

    4. Re:I would.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oh well, I was just thinking I would start my own series "Would it melt?". I guess I'm not as evil as I could.

    5. Re: I would.. by jd2112 · · Score: 1

      But whale sharks aren't very menacing unless you are a krill.

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    6. Re:I would.. by approachingZero+ · · Score: 1

      Beat me to it . . .

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    7. Re:I would.. by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      ... and then carve a face in it.

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    8. Re:I would.. by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      A shrink ray should be easy once someone finds an exploitable defect in the software that is the universe.

    9. Re: I would.. by viperidaenz · · Score: 2

      Have you ever met a whale shark with a 5TW laser on its head?

    10. Re:I would.. by dargaud · · Score: 1

      Megalodon. 'nuf said.

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    11. Re:I would.. by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 2

      I would use it to heat three year old edible pizza!

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    12. Re:I would.. by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      There a lots a things you could do with this laser. With this, I could make a lot of bank selling POPCORN at the Star Wars Movies. Start a trophy etching business, etch glassware.

      I would set up my lab somewhere in Prairie Chapel, Texas. That way if anything goes wrong, only history would tell.

    13. Re: I would.. by Eunuchswear · · Score: 2

      Meanwhile the whale shark is thinking... ... Finaly I get to eat something other that raw krill!

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  2. Mount it on a shark ... by riverat1 · · Score: 1

    obviously.

  3. Clearly. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Funny

    Probably prepare for unforseen consequences.

    1. Re:Clearly. by irbeginner · · Score: 1

      Rise and shine Mr. Freeman. Wake up and smell the trolling

    2. Re:Clearly. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Rise and shine Mr. Freeman. Wake up and smell the trolling

      I'm trying to provide an incentive for Slashdot to add a "+0, somebody had to do it" mod.

      Plus, half-life jokes lose humor quite rapidly at first; but people dislike solving differential equations, so they usually just wave their hands and admit that they remain at least slightly funny more or less forever!

    3. Re:Clearly. by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Plus, half-life jokes lose humor quite rapidly at first [...]

      I don't know about that. My experience is they're still good after 7 years and don't need any follow-up jokes.

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  4. Popcorn by Radak · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'd make popcorn in Professor Hathaway's house, of course.

    1. Re:Popcorn by Papaspud · · Score: 1

      There was some pretty Weird science back then..........

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    2. Re:Popcorn by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      There was some pretty Weird science back then..........

      Awesome, nice 1985 reference there!

    3. Re:Popcorn by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

      Popcorn? He hates popcorn.

  5. Mount it on an airplane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Let those assholes on the ground get a taste of their own medicine.

  6. Excellent tool for high density+temperature plasma by mtpaley · · Score: 1

    IMHO the NIF is a excellent tool in researching the properties of ultra dense materials be they fusable or not and is up there with CERN as a high energy physics lab and it covers bulk phenomena that CERN can never touch. I expect papers on Rayleigh–Taylor instability, neutron absorption cross sections and tests on the theoretical reaction probabilities/speeds of H,D fusion. But (and you all knew I was about to say that) this is a research tool on the subjects I just mentioned and many others not a step towards a fusion power source. This is a excellent research tool and I fully support it - just don't think of it as a proto-proto-proto type fusion power plant.

  7. Mwahahaha by MindPrison · · Score: 1

    "What Would You Do With the World's Most Powerful Laser?"

    Toast my 80yo suburban neighbors barbecue for complaining about a few branches & leafs in my yard.

    Either that, or prove that time traveling is actually possible.

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  8. tease the neighborhood cats by Mister+Liberty · · Score: 1

    I must can has quicky thingy.

  9. Simple.... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    Put it on an orbital weapons platform, then hold the moon for ransom of ......1 Million Dollars....

    Nevermind it cost 22.4 Billion to get the platform launched..

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    1. Re:Simple.... by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Dude, you forgot to put your pinky to your mouth!!!!

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  10. Stroking my cat... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I expect you to die, Mr. Bond.

  11. Re:Guess the cartoon! by Nutria · · Score: 1

    Spoooooonnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!

    (My daughter loves that show!)

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  12. Crazy Eddie by rossdee · · Score: 1

    Launch a light sail to the stars

  13. I'm surprised the NIF still exists, since by Nutria · · Score: 1

    didn't the Congress vote to cut it'd funding?

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    1. Re:I'm surprised the NIF still exists, since by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      It wasn't cut, because it didn't have the word "Super" in the name. The "Superconducting Super Collider" got cut, because Congress saw the name "Super" in it, and obviously thought that it must be too expensive. US Scientists are very careful now about avoiding the use of the word "Super" in their projects now.

      If it had been called, the "Super National Super Ignition Super Facility" . . . it would have been cut.

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  14. Mount it on a dune buggy by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

    Invade a desert nation with a bunch of my weaponizedmotorcycle-riding buddies and blow up some tanks.

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    1. Re:Mount it on a dune buggy by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 1
  15. Power by StripedCow · · Score: 2

    1. Build large nuclear power plant on the moon.
    2. Use strongest laser to beam power to earth.

    Alternatively,

    1. Build large solar plant
    2. Bring it into space
    3. Send it towards the Sun
    4. Use strongest laser to beam power to earth.

    (Warning: please think this over first; this was just me brainstorming.)

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    1. Re:Power by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      You've never built a Microwave Power Station in SimCity have you?

  16. Re:Excellent tool for high density+temperature pla by WarJolt · · Score: 1

    I think you missed a proto-

  17. Perfect target for this... by rts008 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I would fire it at /.Beta.

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  18. I would NOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    look into it with my remaining eye.

  19. What everyone else does with a laser of course.. by formfeed · · Score: 1

    - cut out some plywood enclosure for your raspi or arduino.
    - try to etch some copper off a pcb while looking at the reflection.
    - mount it on a quad copter and shoot around in the neighborhood, then post it on youtube.
    - try building a projector and accidentally burn down city hall.

  20. The Practical Option by KermodeBear · · Score: 1

    Sell it. I don't need the world's biggest laser. I'd much rather have the money.

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    1. Re:The Practical Option by ThaumaTechnician · · Score: 1

      No, no, no: Step One: use it to rob the rest of world Step Two: give half of it back Step three: destroy it. /whoever buys it off of you can get the money back...

  21. We all know the answer... by r1348 · · Score: 2

    Dicks on the moon.

  22. Re:Guess the cartoon! by germansausage · · Score: 1

    I was thinking of a different vintage sf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...

  23. Fill Jerry's house with popcorn kernels... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2
  24. Obligatory XKCD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Don't forget the giant helium balloon... http://xkcd.com/585/

  25. Burn the worlds biggest ants by Bizzeh · · Score: 1

    Burn the worlds biggest ants... what else?

  26. Re:aim it at 385323N 770032W by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    Who lives on the corner of May Day St and Glendale Place in Washing DC?

  27. First "pew! pew! pew!" post by stevegee58 · · Score: 1

    Unless someone spelled "pew" differently.

  28. Launch a spaceship! by farrellj · · Score: 1

    Launch a spaceship, of course!

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  29. Probably replace my policy of ripping a new asshole where needed to burning a new asshole where needed.

  30. Attach it to by ezzthetic · · Score: 1

    the world's most powerful shark.

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  31. I know what I'd do by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    I'd figure out a way to use it to stop all the ridiculous Hugh Pickens DOT com reposts on Slashdot.

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  32. Not really a fan of NIF by Dereck1701 · · Score: 1

    I can't say that I'm really a fan of the National Ignition Facility. The PR side of it is "a grand search into fusion power research", but the reality seems to be nuclear weapons research. Coupled with the fact that the project has had massive mismanagement and cost overruns from an original ~$1 Billion estimate to costing over $4.2 Billion. Advanced research is never predictable to be sure, and some cost overrun/failure is to be expected but a four fold increase in costs AND no ignition? Sounds like we're not getting much bang for our research bucks.

  33. Re:total bs by gargleblast · · Score: 1

    This. The NIF is basically a weapons lab, but with an astoundingly good PR wing. They tout themselves as contenders in some "race" against ITER. Their machine was used as a set-prop in Star Trek. And they regularly generate "major milestone" headlines, for accomplishments that are relatively minor, and way overdue. All for a lab that, in essence, tests thermonuclear weapons.

  34. That jerk by fizzer06 · · Score: 1

    I would then have a way to deal with that jerk hogging the passing lane and blocking traffic.

  35. Story is obvious shark bait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...May as well have been titled "Please insert shark with laserbeam joke here".

  36. Re:total bs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Regardless of how much NIF tries to hide it is mainly funded for weapons code testing (not that much if you actually talk to the people who work there or look at any of the stuff they write or say at outreach events), most large projects have additional side goals. Even projects a thousand times cheaper than NIF have a person trying to use the same setup to test things like astrophysical models or basic science. You can look a proposal or progress report for something like a tokamak, see ten pages of talk about confinement and fusion physics, and then there will be another page of astrophysics tests, etc.

  37. Shoot Down Space Junk by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

    Could it be put in high orbit, and used to shoot down all the small bits of space junk that is being tracked. Something has to be done eventually to clean up that mess, why not use some of that star wars technology to do that? Would this laser have enough light pressure to push the smaller pieces into a decaying orbit?

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  38. Towards the Moon by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    Point at the Moon during a summer solar eclipse to get the Sun light back.

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    1. Re:Towards the Moon by hooiberg · · Score: 1

      For your information and pleasure: https://what-if.xkcd.com/13/

  39. Get laid by sandbagger · · Score: 2

    Now this would impress chicks!

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  40. What else? by gargleblast · · Score: 1

    1. Tell the Pentagon it's for weapons research.
    2. Tell everyone else it's for green energy.
    3. Profit.

  41. Conduct the ultimate experiment... by vanye · · Score: 1

    Can you pop enough corn to demolish a house?

    richard.

  42. Re:I would.. - solution by www.sorehands.com · · Score: 1

    Electric eels with lasers, they have their own power source.

  43. destroy major city every hour on That is, unless by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    you pay me...one hundred billion dollars.

  44. hmmmm by Lost+Penguin · · Score: 1

    Run a Deuterium pulse detonation engine's output through the focal point of the NIF. ... start a Magnesium fire, spray Deuterium through the heat to break it up into plasma, run the resulting plasma through the NIF focal point.

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  45. Bring My Enemies by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    How about a few of my enemies being restrained and letting me point that laser at them. How many could i burn through if the stood back to chest?

  46. Re:Easy... by Larryish · · Score: 1

    I would probably shoot my fucking eye out, kid.

  47. Write obscenities by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

    Write obscenities. On the moon. Of course.

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  48. It wasn't cut because it is a nuclear weapons proj by mbkennel · · Score: 1


    The NIF is designed from front to back as a nuclear weapons project. The vast majority of its runs are dedicated to "NNSA" activities, the division of DOE for nuclear weapons engineering.

    In particular, the NIF is used to calibrate the simulation codes used for the thermonuclear secondary. The lasers are there to ionize an outer 'hohlraum' which emits soft X-rays, simulating a fission primary. There are no difficult nuclear problems in a H-bomb, but there are difficult radiation and fluid mechanical problems.

    Now that they have this thing they're trying to greenwash the project by trying to find something else to do with it.

  49. NOOOOO! (ob-xkcd) by itsdapead · · Score: 1

    The consequences of that could be terrible!

    The shark would be safer - at least they can't climb trees.

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  50. Show it some strangelove by inkrypted · · Score: 1

    Put Slim Pickens on it and make sure he shouts Yeeeeeehaaaaaaaaawww! Each time it is fired.

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  51. I would point it at a landing airplane, by Toshito · · Score: 1

    obviously

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  52. Q: What would you do with ... by maroberts · · Score: 1

    Q. What Would You Do With the World's Most Powerful Laser?
    A: Fit it to the head of the worlds largest shark

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  53. study biological trasmutation? by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    when the only tool you have is the world's largest laser, everything looks like a rebel base.

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  54. Re:Easy... by jerpyro · · Score: 2

    You can't point it anywhere, it's in a sphere and the lasers face inward. :P

    But to your point (being some organization), if I had the world's most powerful laser, I would take the politics out of it so that the scientists could make progress. So, technically, you're not too far off.

  55. psssh. easy.. by Hohlraum · · Score: 1

    Blow up the moon obviously.

  56. With Alderaan gone by r33per · · Score: 1

    aim it at Yavin IV.

  57. My car's new headlights by bobvious · · Score: 1

    BMW's going to put laser headlights on some of their new cars. Never again would I loose a headlight duel.

  58. Re:Easy... by sls1j · · Score: 1

    Perhaps you should put all the politics into it first then fire it to get them out.

  59. Illegal Parking at Livermore Labs by billstewart · · Score: 1

    You really don't want to park in the wrong place at Livermore Labs. I don't know if they're still running the 5-story-high magnet they had back in the late 80s / early 90s when I went to some graphics conferences there, but if they can't just pick up your car and move it out of the way with the magnet, now they've got the Big Laser. Also don't go parking near the "No Parking - Spilled Plutonium" signs (though actually the nastier environmental problems they've had there have been leftover junk left over from WWII when the Navy was using the place - solvents that weren't yet known to cause cancer, or maybe they already were known to cause cancer but were still really effective solvents, the occasional leftover explosive, etc.)

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  60. NIF was really for weapons research by billstewart · · Score: 1

    Hey, what's your serious response doing here, in between all the suggestions about sharks with frikkin' lasers?

    NIF was always really about fusion research for the nuclear weapons programs, just as almost everything else at Livermore Labs was either related to weapons research & development, or infrastructure for the R&D folks (e.g. they did some good development on email systems back in the 80s because their R&D folks needed good email.) Some of it's more direct development, some of it's more basic science, but even then it's basic science intended to help weapons research. They've occasionally done other things (some solar energy research or whatever), but that's a drop in the bucket, and a lot of the environmental research they did was either trying to figure out how to clean up the messes their weapons folks made or the messes left over from the previous Navy base at that location.

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    1. Re:NIF was really for weapons research by mtpaley · · Score: 1

      Sharks with frikkin' lasers are old school. Be afraid of carp with particle beams! And I know that the real purpose of the NIF is bomb research but as a side effect it is still a good physics experiment. The only worry is that the results are always going to be filtered by security concerns so some results are going to vanish - this makes it trickier to use as a source of data but still good (rose tinted glasses? I hope not).

  61. Practical fusion power is now by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

    Practical fusion power is now only 25 years away.

    Again.

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  62. Re:Excellent tool for high density+temperature pla by mtpaley · · Score: 1

    Always the problem with fusion, the proto(ns) tend to miss.

  63. Hold the world for ransom by Keybounce · · Score: 1

    Threaten to use the laser to melt the icecaps, and alter the world's climate, unless I were paid one million dollars.