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US Plunges To 46th In World Press Freedom Index

schwit1 writes "Reporters Without Borders puts out their Press Freedom Index every year, and the 2014 ranking came out today. It was not a good showing for the U.S. Specifically, the U.S. registered one of the steepest falls of all nations, down 13 slots to the #46 position, just above Haiti and just below Romania."

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  1. We're the best country in the world!!! Woo!! by erroneus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Free nation! Under God! Best thing since apple pie.

    The US has really fallen from its optimistic condition so many decades ago. And that failure is not the worst thing about it. It's the fact that no one in the US seems to care.

    1. Re:We're the best country in the world!!! Woo!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      The do care. They want the government to arrest the journalists that reported this.

    2. Re:We're the best country in the world!!! Woo!! by bobbied · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm sorry NOW!

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    3. Re:We're the best country in the world!!! Woo!! by LoRdTAW · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They do care but between trying to financially keep their heads above water and fighting off the urge to watch Duck Dynasty they have little time to enact change.

      Well that was sarcasm but life is so busy that things like government tyranny fall by the wayside. Our lives are just comfortable and busy enough to allow us to ignore the greater issues at hand. Ask a person today what their concerns are and I bet its going to be things like job security, getting a better job to make more money or keeping their head above water. Government tyranny is just low enough to let us not care. Then throw in the incentive for social problems and you have the foundation for a pacifying system to keep people just above poverty and starving so they do revolt.

    4. Re:We're the best country in the world!!! Woo!! by StripedCow · · Score: 5, Funny

      The US, land of the free! (*)

      (*) applies iff you are the CEO of a MegaCorp.

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    5. Re:We're the best country in the world!!! Woo!! by interkin3tic · · Score: 4, Interesting

      A good number of Americans think we need to give up rights to fight cultists with box-cutters and pipe bombs, rights we didn't need to give up in the face of real national security threats. But I don't think that's the whole story here. The cold war was going on, our enemies ACTUALLY had real weapons worth considering, Nixon resigned.

      I suspect one issue is the economy, and the other is a changing media. Democracies can't really function when too many people are too financially stressed, it fits that people wouldn't take threats to the freedom of the press as seriously if they're worried about losing the house. Most of the people with brains or who care have stopped watching cable news and newspapers are dying, so the audiences for the media are dumber and more easily controlled.

      I'm not as convinced as many people are that the sky is falling, so I suspect the economy will eventually improve. I also suspect that when the change in media matures, perhaps when kids who now get their news online start being less apathetic, and when the fox news crowd dies, that we -might- demand better.

      TLDR: I think it's more complicated than everyone collectively saying "Fuck it, I don't care about democracy, I'm going to go tweet something."

    6. Re:We're the best country in the world!!! Woo!! by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We can't have Land of the Free OR Home of the brave.

      Because we are afraid of everything, we have elected to give up our freedom in trade of safety.

      After 9/11 there was little talk about this attacks being the price we may pay to live in a free society, and more talks about how to stop it again. Then we complained how these people were even allowed on the plane before, because of lack of proper intelligence.

      After the Boston Marathon Bombing, citizens gladly sacrificed their freedom and locked themselves at home until the bomber was caught. Then we complained left and right how we could have let these minor hints get us by and let these people back into the us.

      We Cannot live in a free society when we are afraid of the bad man getting us. To live in a free society we need to stand up and face these problems even if it means our death.

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    7. Re:We're the best country in the world!!! Woo!! by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

      you act like racism and bigotry don't exist, and it's just a ploy to smear people

      that's some convoluted psychological denial going on there

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    8. Re:We're the best country in the world!!! Woo!! by mcrbids · · Score: 4, Insightful

      At least, that's the story that the right-wing news sources you use would like you to believe.

      Then, too, you have those that call people:

      "Gay agenda" for believing that big government doesn't have a place dictating who you can or can't marry.

      "Tax and spend liberal" for trying to rebuild the crumbling roads, waterways, and other infrastructure all around us.

      "Hostile to business" for expecting that we not grossly pollute the air and water around us that we all depend on.

      "Socialist" for expecting that insurance be available to everybody.

      Both sides have their merits.

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    9. Re:We're the best country in the world!!! Woo!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Dude, read the damn article. This has nothing to do with the left-right hotbutton issues you're talking about. Our press is manifestly free to make all the points you make, on repeat, 24 hours a day.

      This is about silencing of whistleblowers and the legal harassment of the reporters who report leaked information. It has zero to do with the Tea Party, or any specific difference between the Republicans and the Democrats, who are equally complicit in this.

    10. Re:We're the best country in the world!!! Woo!! by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's no need to suppress press. The US found that out long ago.

      People want to see war pics. So they only "invite" you to report if you report favorably. If you'd consider reporting something that conflicts with the "good guy" image, you're not going to get support by the powers that are. You will not be able to show those great, ratings-boosting clips where our boys kick some serious enemy ass with futuristic weapons.

      It's just so win-win. If you comply, you will have great pics that not only boost the US image but also your ratings. If you dare to oppose, your news will be boring, which makes your ratings drop, which also has the "nice" side effect that fewer people are going to hear it.

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    11. Re:We're the best country in the world!!! Woo!! by _xeno_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But I can't recall hearing anyone saying "Thank god the police came and locked everything down and started busting in our doors trying to find this guy!"

      You don't live near Boston, then. People were pretty much saying exactly that. I'd hate to think what the ancestors who started the American Revolution would think of the people who live here now...

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    12. Re:We're the best country in the world!!! Woo!! by gnick · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yeah! Take that, Haiti!

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    13. Re:We're the best country in the world!!! Woo!! by schlachter · · Score: 4, Informative

      it's that "under god" part that got added to the pledge at some point which is hurting us...

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    14. Re:We're the best country in the world!!! Woo!! by nbauman · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's no need to suppress press. The US found that out long ago.

      You cannot hope
      to bribe or twist,
      thank God! the
      British journalist.

      But, seeing what
      the man will do
      unbribed, there's
      no occasion to.

  2. Perpetuating a bad story. by Albert+Schueller · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's too bad that the /. editor that posted this didn't dig into this shoddy piece of journalism before posting. You can read more about how arbitrary this "ranking" is at On The Media and then move along, there's nothing to see here.

  3. No... their stats suck by Yohahn · · Score: 4, Informative

    Think for yourself, but have a look here.

    Their statistics suck, even if their principles are sound.

    1. Re:No... their stats suck by Chan+Jav · · Score: 5, Informative

      Think for yourself, but have a look here.

      Their statistics suck, even if their principles are sound.

      Let us look at the last few years worth of rankings
      2002 17th
      2003 31st
      2004 22nd
      2005 44th
      2006 53rd
      2007 48th
      2008 36th
      2009 20th
      2010 20th
      2011-12 47th
      2013 32nd
      2014 46th

      Seems like a yo-yo, maybe this index is more about creating headlines than true measure. Please do reference the On The Media story linked above.

    2. Re:No... their stats suck by Overzeetop · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Go look at the actual 3D data map on the site, you'll find that the US is nearly indistinguishable from basically every other 1st world Western Eurpoean-Centric nation. When you see the difference between the "top plateau" and "everyone else" it becomes pretty clear that there really is nothing to see here.

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  4. Re:How does press freedom drop because of leaks? by davecb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Press freedom's drop was noticed because of Manning and Snowdon: now American-born reporters are afraid to come home. They've been threatened with both criminal charges and extrajudicial punishment for publishing the leaks. Net result? They get published in the UK.

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  5. Not to defend America or anything, by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    but this is just a rank based on a number calculated according to an arbitrary weighting of factors. It is possible that the rank drop of the US might have been less had the factors used in calculating the score been weighted differently, or the cases used to arrive at the score been characterized somewhat differently.

    For example, the score weights "Pluralism" twice as much as "self-censorship" and four times as much as "transparency". Why? Can such things be weighted precisely at all?

    The scores for these factors are likewise arbitrarily scaled numbers in the range 0-100. The ranking of each country is a linear combination of non-parametric factors; as such the rank on such a score is so arbitrary as to be practically meaningless, or at best very imprecise.

    I think such a score might have some value in comparing a country's performance to its prior performance, or even to compare progress made in one country vs. another -- provided it is taken with a large grain of salt. But the nature of the score is such that very little can be inferred about country A vs. country B based on their relative ranks.

    As a liberal geek I'm all up for harsh criticism of America as a nascent plutocracy, but this particular story is just manufactured controversy.

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  6. Possibly Exaggerated? by hendrips · · Score: 4, Informative

    According to this article, there are plenty of reasons to doubt these rankings, even if press freedom in the U.S. is worrying. And ranking changes like these are not new. Here are the U.S.' rankings over the last 10 years (there's a typo in their own press release, the U.S. actually fell 14 slots):

    2004: 22
    2005: 44
    2006: 53
    2007: 48
    2008: 36
    2009: 20
    2010: 20
    2011: 47
    2012: 27
    2013: 32
    2014: 46

    That seems...a bit inconsistent. Again, that's not to say there isn't plenty to worry about in the U.S., but I'd still take these rankings with a grain of salt.

  7. Re:How does press freedom drop because of leaks? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because those making the leaks need to flee the country and take asylum elsewhere, or end up imprisoned for years.

    It's not about the presence of the leaks, it's about the way that the government has persecuted the leakers, and the members of the press they went to.

    First of all... IF Snowden is a LEAKER then, by definition and by virtue of the paperwork he signed the government has the right (if not the obligation) to haul his butt into criminal court and store his living carcass in jail for long periods of time. If convicted...

    The government does NOT have a "right" to incarcerate a person indefinitely, without convicting them of a crime.

    Conversely, Edward Snowden does have a right to a fair and free trial, to face his accusers and the evidence they present against him, and to be judged by a jury of his peers.

    None of which will happen under the current government.

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  8. They changed their methodology by wcrowe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not that I'm totally happy with the situation, but I wonder if this story is a bit exaggerated. Reporters Without Borders says that they made changes to their methodology. Suddenly the U.S. drops in rank. I think those two facts are related.

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  9. Re:How does press freedom drop because of leaks? by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

    None of which will happen under the current government.

    How on earth can you KNOW that he would be unfairly treated?

    You mean, aside from the existence of Gitmo, the repeated threats of death from various US officials, and the treatment Bradley/Chelsea Manning received when he/she was suspected of whistle-blowing?

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  10. What everybody missed: Was" best country by icebike · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm not as convinced as many people are that the sky is falling, so I suspect the economy will eventually improve.

    The thing that all the knee jerk poster here seemed to miss is that this is the first year on a totally different survey methodology.

    Reporters Sans Borders (RSF) totally tossed out their prior methodology and went with a new questionnaire: http://rsf.org/index/qEN.html
    Since this isn't the only source of input, you have to read also their methodology
    which includes things never before even considered. It turns out that most of the qualitative measurements are done by RSF people themselves, rather than from input from these people in the field.

    Quantitative questions about the number of violations of different kinds are
    handled by our staff. They include the number of journalists, media assistants and netizens who
    were jailed or killed in the connection with their activities,

    So "netizens" are who exactly?
    And why does that matter? Well, since they don't define it, we have to assume that anyone releasing information
    over the internet counts as a netizen. So one Bradley Manning (35 year sentence) can account for 90% of the "Violence against reporters/netizens) score.
    North Korea, not having any Netizens, presumably gets a perfect score in this regard. I suggest the whole thing is hopelessly biased.

    As with any newly invented scale, you have to give it a few years for the truth (and the bias) to come out.

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  11. Re:How does press freedom drop because of leaks? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, they can't win. If they stay anonymous, people will call it fake. If they go public, they're attention whores.

    It's actually sad how we treat people who put their very life on the line to protect our liberty.

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  12. Re:How does press freedom drop because of leaks? by BenJury · · Score: 4, Informative

    Did you even click the link? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-2...

    The Saudi national, who has been held for 11 years and is one of 164 inmates, has not been charged with any offence and has been cleared for release from the prison in Cuba.

    He was cleared for release in 2007, still hasn't happened. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...

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