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Government Sent 2,000+ National Security Letters To AT&T In 2013

Trailrunner7 writes: "AT&T, in its first transparency report, said it received at least 2,000 National Security Letters and nearly 38,000 requests for location data on its subscribers in 2013. The new report from AT&T is the latest in a growing list of publications from telecom companies, Web providers and cell phone carriers who have been under pressure from privacy advocates and security experts in the wake of the Edward Snowden NSA surveillance revelations. AT&T's report shows a higher number of NSLs and subpoenas in 2013 than its most relevant competitor, Verizon. In January, Verizon's first transparency report showed that the company received between 1,000 and 1,999 NSLs in 2013 and 164,000 subpoenas. AT&T said it got 2,000-2,999 NSLs and 248,343 subpoenas last year. AT&T also received nearly 37,000 court orders and more than 16,000 search warrants."

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  1. Thats a lot of national threats... ? by XLT_Frank · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is time for them to answer up and tell us what they were for. I want to see the fruit of their supposed labor.

    1. Re:Thats a lot of national threats... ? by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Funny

      38,000 terrorists were caught, obviously. Millions of American lives were saved and you're worried about protocols and paperwork...?

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    2. Re:Thats a lot of national threats... ? by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      or perhaps 38000 fathers that skipped out on their child support....or 38000 bail jumpers...38000 wanted felons...etc etc

      All of those were matters of "National Security", obviously...

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    3. Re:Thats a lot of national threats... ? by mjwalshe · · Score: 2

      2000 given the size of the USA phone network is not that big - remember the network effect one suspect might trigger one for each recent contact the two boston bombers alone could easily have caused 20 or 30.

  2. Only for terrorism! by whistlingtony · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They PINKY SWEAR they're only using this information for terrorism, right?

    If there are really THAT MANY terrorists inside the US, we're fucked. I mean, really truly fucked. I'm surprised any of the bridges or large buildings in my city are still standing. We KNOW The FBI and DHS can't catch everyone. Oddly enough, all the bridges and buildings are still there. No one has taken down the water supply. Electricity still works. Parking sucks, but that's normal. :D No terrorists attacks have taken place (and it's NOT because the FBI stopped them.)

    That means all those THOUSANDS of requests... lets see, 16,000 search warrants, 50 states, 320 search warrants per state... I should have an active terrorist cell of AT LEAST 50 people in my city. Probably 100. Where are they?

    They don't exist. That means they're using this information, and the powers granted to them FOR CATCHING TERRORISTS, for other things. No way!

    1. Re:Only for terrorism! by whistlingtony · · Score: 4, Informative

      And lest you think I'm just whining on the internet, there are things you can do. Volunteer for the ACLU. give money to the EFF. join an organization dedicated to fixing congress. Get money out of politics. It's not hard. It just takes that little bit of motivation to get off your ass and go do something. That itsy little bit really does make a difference.

      I challenge all of you. Look up your state and federal reps, and add them as contacts on your phone. Call them when you're bored and tell them what's important to you. It really does make a difference.

      Ok, so you're THAT lazy... :D Here. Sheesh. http://whoismyrepresentative.c...

    2. Re:Only for terrorism! by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      ...and that's only the stuff they had to specifically request. Most of the stuff they can hoover up automatically so they don't need no steenkin' NSLs.

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    3. Re:Only for terrorism! by judoguy · · Score: 2

      Get money out of politics...

      Why do people even bother to say this?!? WTF does that even mean?

      Politics is ONLY about money. Oh, you mean somehow make it so that people can run for office without having any money. Really? In what possible system can that happen? I ran for city council in a small suburb of Minneapolis recently. Cost me about $8000 for ads, mailings, etc. How the hell are the "people" supposed to evaluate candidates without an information stream, i.e., "publicity"?

      Oh, you say, "We'll have government paid for publicity for candidates. That'll get the money out of politics!" Wrong! All that does is let the government decide who can run for government.

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    4. Re:Only for terrorism! by s.petry · · Score: 2

      I'm going to quote you out of order, but the context will remain.

      Politics is ONLY about money. Oh, you mean somehow make it so that people can run for office without having any money. Really?

      What it has become is not how it was intended, how it was designed, or how it was envisioned. Just like a Religion, people abuse everything to gain power and control. More on this shortly.

      Oh, you say, "We'll have government paid for publicity for candidates. That'll get the money out of politics!" Wrong! All that does is let the government decide who can run for government.

      Again, you are repeating propaganda and not looking at how we were intended to run.

      Why do people even bother to say this?!? WTF does that even mean?

      That is the easy question, but lets see if you are willing to do the work. Read Plato's "The Republic", then read the Federalist papers, the US Constitution and Bill of Rights, and study just a bit of history. Everything will become abundantly clear.

      I am not going to rewrite several novels worth of material for you, but rather demand that you do the work. I will give a small piece of Plato's The Republic for you. I'm paraphrasing for time and space sake. Don't be lazy, read the _WHOLE_ book!

      Socrates: Imagine a government that keeps all of their citizens in a cave. They work all day and come back to a common room at night. A marionette show plays on the wall to entertain them, and their needs are met. Glaucon: To them, life would seem normal. They have no idea that the outside exists so they have nothing to compare their current life with. Socrates: Now imagine a slave gets free one day, and slips out of the cave. What would they feel? Glaucon: I imagine they would be ill. The light would hurt their eyes, but also their astonishment at seeing the world would create a hatred for the people that kept them in a cave. Socrates: The would surely feel pity on those in the cave and try to help them escape. How many would leave the cave? Glaucon: Very few, they have their needs met and some form of entertainment. They would fear the unknown, and would not be easily convinced to leave what they know.

      For as long as I have been alive, which probably has you beat, my time has been spent trying to stay out of the cave. People holding power want us in the cave, which is why so few have actually read or studied this brilliant piece of Philosophy from over 2,400 years ago. Most people that claim to have read the book have only read a piece and simply believe what others tell them about the whole work.

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  3. National Security Letters? by Indy1 · · Score: 2

    More like National Fascism Letters...

    I'm not surprised though, ATT has been the lap dog of the Fed.gov since day 1.

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    1. Re:National Security Letters? by Kohath · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm sure they'll stop as soon as President Bush is finally out of office.

  4. Either we live in East Germany or ... by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Either we live in East Germany and the NSA is the Stasi, or somebody hasn't been reading the US Constitution and the sections about quartering troops in our domiciles (aka computers, cell phones) and unwarranted search and seizure without reasonable cause.

    Every day, our freedoms disappear, even though anyone with actual counter-terrorism experience knows 99.9 percent of the problem is overseas in Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Pakistan, and to a lesser extent, Afghanistan.

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  5. Re:Shockingly high count? by afidel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Uh, the subpoenas are for any crime where the police have reasonable cause to obtain the call or location data of a suspect, not just terrorists. To me that seems reasonable, there were 1.2M violent crimes in the US in 2011 according to the FBI, that means the police are only requesting call or location data in at most 1/3rd of such cases (probably many are for non-violent crimes, though it would have to be a fairly major property crime or spree of such for the cops to go through the trouble of doing the paperwork).

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  6. Re:Don't panic! by nigelo · · Score: 2

    > 3K NSLs is 600 per state,

    Mathematics. Please study it.

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  7. Numbers by jklovanc · · Score: 2

    Lets look at the report actually means.

    The first part of the report refers to National Security Letters and Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act requests. Most people seem to assume that all these requests are submitted as counter terrorism related. That is not true. Both of these types of requests existed before 911 and were used to investigate foreign intelligence operations. What changed is that they are now able to use them to investigate individuals not associated with a country but a terrorist organization instead. There are still counterespionage investigations going on and that would account for some if the requests. I would like a breakdown between the two categories but I doubt that will ever happen.

    The next section refers to "Total U.S. Criminal & Civil Litigation Demands". These requests can come from many sources including local police. They could be related to crimes such as murder, drug dealing, racketeering, etc. For example,when a police officer is investigating a murder suspect and they dump the phone that is one request. The civil cases could include things like divorces where one party is trying to prove infidelity. These requests are most likely unrelated to terrorism.