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TSA: Confiscating Aluminum Foil and Watching Out For Solar Powered Bombs

schwit1 writes "If you think confiscating aluminum foil to prevent a solar powered bomb attack on a plane is a waste of time, don't blame the TSA agent. According to a former employee most of the security people agree with you. Instead, we need to hold accountable the people sending down such ridiculous orders. From the article: 'Ridiculous restrictions and the TSA have become nearly synonymous in the post-9/11 airport, and as new, improbable terrorist plots come to light, we will likely continue to be burdened with new, absurd rules. But our best bet is to take the frustration toward the TSA agent confiscating our over-sized liquids, and re-direct it to the people at TSA headquarters who are being paid the big bucks to make the rules — the ones who make the call as to whether our toothpaste is verboten and whether our shoes will need extra screening.'"

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  1. *Puts on tinfoil hat* by mattventura · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh wait....

    (Cue tinfoil vs aluminum foil pedants)

    1. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by mrbester · · Score: 3, Insightful

      *Aluminium*

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    2. Re:*Puts on tinfoil hat* by Martin+Blank · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That site appears to have it backwards. Davy settled on "aluminum" by the time he published Elements of Chemical Philosophy in 1812 (the year your link claims was when he settled on an ending of -ium. Wikipedia includes a quote from the book.

      "This substance appears to contain a peculiar metal, but as yet Aluminum has not been obtained in a perfectly free state, though alloys of it with other metalline substances have been procured sufficiently distinct to indicate the probable nature of alumina."

      The quote is visible from a scanned copy at this link

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  2. They still have not caught a single terrorist. by khasim · · Score: 5, Informative

    The TSA still has not caught a single terrorist trying to get on a plane.

    It's all security theatre.

    1. Re:They still have not caught a single terrorist. by tlambert · · Score: 5, Funny

      The TSA still has not caught a single terrorist trying to get on a plane.

      It's all security theatre.

      The've all been married?

    2. Re:They still have not caught a single terrorist. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course they've caught terrorist!

      You just don't hear about it.... because.... because it's classified.

      It's classified because... if the terrorist planners knew that their plot had failed then they would try again. If you just get rid of the ones doing it, then the plane is safe, the planners assume it's a successful mission, and everyone goes home safe and sound. Do you want the terrorists to make a new plot instead? Why do you hate freedom and democracy?

    3. Re:They still have not caught a single terrorist. by dargaud · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If I may play Devil's advocate.. isn't aluminum foil one of two ingredients in a simple, household-items explosive? I'm not sure why you would need to carry it on a plane with you, either.

      - aluminium powder rather than simply foil
      - to wrap your sandwich ? Since nowadays low-cost airlines don't even feed you on board.

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    4. Re:They still have not caught a single terrorist. by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why doesn't he just suicide-bomb the TSA line? Wouldn't that cause enough terror?

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  3. Enough with the security theater! by Firethorn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Personally, I think any TSA employee in charge of TSA procedures needs to go through said procedure/screening every day before work.

    Actually, they need to be fired and replaced by people with proper risk management training, as opposed to risk avoidance.

    Risk Avoidance: Do everything in your power to prevent some risk, no matter the cost
    Risk Management: Assess the risk, consider the liklihood of the risk, the damage it will cost if it happens, then look at mitigations, how likely they are to work, how much they'll cost, etc... And make the cheapest decision. IE if on average the mitigation will prevent more loss than it costs, you impliment it. Otherwise you just accept the risk.

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    1. Re:Enough with the security theater! by Firethorn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It can't just be the media though, as the media has been lambasting the TSA as too expensive for negligible effect for quite some time now.

      I think what it's going to take is a new president to replace the head of the TSA with somebody else to force change from the top down.

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    2. Re:Enough with the security theater! by CaptQuark · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This has been an option since 2003. The TSA was put into place after 9/11 but airports were supposed to be allowed to return to private screening after two years. New legislation passed last year supposedly makes it easier to replace TSA agents with private contractors although few airports have done so.

      Currently sixteen airports use private contractors instead of TSA agents. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03...

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  4. They don't care about real dangerous things by NixieBunny · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Story: I walked into the Detroit airport a couple years ago while wearing the Video Coat. The nice TSA people marked my entire family's boarding passes SSSS. They inspected us thoroughly, including the eight 5 AH Chinese LiPo battery packs used to power the coat. These are the no-protection-board version with the factory connectors that let you plug two batteries together like BIG 9V batteries. They will happily put out 100 amps.

    Had we been 'the type', we could have started four fires in the cabin that day.

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  5. This is why I take the train now by IgnorantMotherFucker · · Score: 5, Informative

    Within the US you can take Amtrak. (No "c" in "Amtrak".)

    Don't believe the prices on the Amtrak website. It's a rather lo-budge operation, so they don't have advance purchase pricing available from the site. The site does work correctly for determining where and when you can go, but then go down to the station for your ticket purchase. If you purchase so much as one day in advance, quite likely you can get a discount.

    For example, last I checked, to fly one-way between San Jose, California and Portland, Oregon is about $250. Last Summer I took the Coast Starlight from Diridon Station in San Jose to Union Station in Portland, one day advance purchase for about $80.00.

    My Aunt just recently paid about $250.00 for a round-trip from Spokane, Washington to Portland. With two-week advance purchase, that's $86.00 on Amtrack.

    The trains don't go everywhere they really need to, so there is some chance you'll make part of your trip on an Amtrak bus. That was the case when I travelled from LA to San Jose. Rather oddly, I took a bus from the HUGE train station in downtown LA to Bakersfield, then the train from there to San Jose. However the busses are quite nice.

    Their only "security" is that they want to see your ID when you purchase a ticket. You don't need to show ID when you board the train. There is no X-Ray, no metal detector.

    The seats are spacious, there are lots of 110 VAC power sockets. Most but not all trains have WiFi, however the train itself gets onine via a 3G connection that's shared by the whole train, so they limit downloads to 10 MB and do not permit streaming video at all.

    Because 3G is a cell phone protocol, you can only get online when the train is within range of a cell tower. Sometimes the trains are way out in the sticks so you cannot get online.

    My only gripe is that the food is scanty and very expensive, although it is quite tasty. Pack some sandwiches.

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    1. Re:This is why I take the train now by stoploss · · Score: 3, Informative

      Conversely, taking Amtrak any appreciable distance is going to be painful: painfully long and painfully expensive (unless you don't mind spending days sleeping in your chair).

      $1100+, one way, from the middle of the country (say, Omaha) to an endpoint on a different route (say, Miami). Takes about 3 full days to get there, if you're lucky enough to avoid being hit with a 12+ hour stopover someplace. Yes, that price includes roomettes, but like I said: who wants to spend three solid days (again, one way) confined & sleeping in a coach seat? BTW, this is the advance price.

      It would be faster, cheaper, and more relaxing to drive, even if one had to rent a vehicle. Oh, and you can leave whenever you want and stop wherever you want, too.

      Passenger rail in this country is a half-baked solution in search of a problem. This makes me sad, because I would prefer to use rail in order to avoid the TSA. I just can't take a week of additional travel time to do it.

  6. Re:Lousy argumentation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Your sprinklers, smoke detectors, and airbags don't cost billions per year and have been proven to work in other cases in the past.

  7. Re:It's crap like this .... by michelcolman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Sadly though, most european airports are exactly the same. I'm a pilot, and I've actually seen them take a bottle of after shave from a captain, not even apologising for their idiocy, as if it was the most normal and logical thing in the world. Never mind the giant crash axe behind the first officer's seat, we must not allow them to bring nail clippers on board! Back when I was flying private jets, they wanted to pass my passengers' cat through the X-ray machine. They might try to hijack their own private plane with a weapon hidden in the plastic cat container! We had to take the cat out, fortunately it didn't run away or they would no doubt have closed the airport. Idiots.

  8. Re:Lousy argumentation by DarkOx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No your counter argument is incorrect. All of those things are there to protect you from a statistical existent risk. Perhaps your smoke detector has never detected smoke but there are many houses and some have caught fire. The same for air bags we know lots people of car accidents every day and those airbags deployed saving lives. Thing is there lots of flights every day to the TSA is never caught a terrorist. I really only been a handful of incense in the last decade all them gotten past the TSA. Which demonstrates the TSA is both ineffective as a detective control and unneeded as the statistical risk is vanishingly small.

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  9. Re:It's crap like this .... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We're talking about the TSA, not the NSA. Do try to keep up.

    Somehow, with your hostile attitude, I think you made the decision quite a long time ago to never visit America. And yet you feel the need to get up and talk shit in front of everyone, acting like this is the last straw that cost America a shit-ton of money. Here's a clue: we Americans hate the federal government, too. If you set your prejudices aside you might just find friendly, like-minded people. But I have found in my life that closed-minded bigots will not do this, and instead spend time bitching and moaning to others like themselves. Like the people who modded you +5 Insightful.

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  10. Re:Lousy argumentation by reboot246 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your smoke alarm, sprinkler system, seat belts, airbags, helmets, life insurance, condoms, life preserver, safety vest, and Depends have not violated anyone's Fourth Amendment rights.

    I bet your Depends have kept your bed dry.

    THIS is the question you need to ponder, "Has the U.S. government violated our rights in the name of (perceived) safety?"